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BeachBoy April 22nd, 2008 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3521799)
Ok...I apologise for my advice on blissey so now i have got rid of her i have to reform my entire party.....Any ideas cuz I usualy play very defenceive and i have no idea what could replace blissey....I am thinking about using ninetales as a special sweeper it is unusual and could be unexpected (not to mention I have already raised it to lv100) but the prob is i have no idea what move set it should have....It is lame but its current set is.....

Relaxed nature
Item:Leftovers
Dark pulse
Will-o-wisp
Flamethrower
Confuse ray (Thinking about calm mind)

Ideas anyone?

Just to note: saying it's level 100 means absolutely nothing in the metagame with auto 100 wifi. xD Other than your going to a really hard time EV training it.

Anyway, relaxed nature is terrible on a ninetales. Pretty much need to scrap that thing entirely and iv breed for a new ninetales. You want Timid or Modest nature. :D

Slap hypnosis, energy ball, flamethrower or fire blast (accuracy/power choice) and finish off with a nice Nasty Plot w/ life orb. You could even go hidden power (ice/electric) or choice specs too. You can't really stall with a ninetales as it's HP is pathetic. If you want a special sweeper, max EVs into special attack and speed.

Also, if your looking for a nice blissey alternate, try snorlax, very good wall. ;D

Divine~Deoxys April 22nd, 2008 8:23 AM

Okay guys, just so you know why i ask so many questions, its because i am trying to find a team that a)works and b) i like. This is probably the only other biggie (Dragonite growls), ok, maybe there wil be more posts, but please could i have a few more movesets for: A Weavile (physical), Zapdos & Articuno (special), Aerodactyl (phys), a Wobby (sp. or phys def. (or both)) as i'm broadening horizons, Tyranitar (phys), A physical Swampert and a special wall/attaking Gardevoir. Thanks and i'll leave you lot alone to answer other peoples simpler questions.

Dark Azelf April 22nd, 2008 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3522094)
Okay guys, just so you know why i ask so many questions, its because i am trying to find a team that a)works and b) i like. This is probably the only other biggie (Dragonite growls), ok, maybe there wil be more posts, but please could i have a few more movesets for: A Weavile (physical), Zapdos & Articuno (special), Aerodactyl (phys), a Wobby (sp. or phys def. (or both)) as i'm broadening horizons, Tyranitar (phys), A physical Swampert and a special wall/attaking Gardevoir. Thanks and i'll leave you lot alone to answer other peoples simpler questions.

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42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- brick break
- ice Punch / ice Shard
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash

OR


[email protected] Band
42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- brick break
- ice Punch / ice Shard
- Pursuit
- Night Slash


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252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power ice / Hidden power Grass
- Roost
- Thunderwave / Light Screen / Roar

You can put all the def evs in to sp.def and use calm if you wish.

OR

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16 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 240 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Metal Sound
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Grass
- Roost




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252 HP / 96 DEF / 162 SP.DEF
Calm nature
- Ice Beam
- Roar
- Reflect / heal bell / Toxic
- Roost

[email protected] Band
42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- Fire Fang / Pursuit / Crunch
- ice Fang
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake


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4 HP / 252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
- Encore
- Safeguard / Charm


[email protected] / Black Glasses / Life Orb
6 HP / 252 ATT / 252 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- Taunt / Stone Edge /Ice beam
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Crunch

Black Glasses Crunch 2hko's swampert after a DD, Ice Beam w/ life Orb 2hkos Hippowdon, Donphan and ohko's Garchomp and Gliscor.

OR

[email protected] Band
Adamant Nature
68 HP / 252 ATT / 196 SPEED
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake


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240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Hydro pump / Surf
- Earthquake
- ice Beam
- Stealth Rock / Roar.

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252 HP / 48 Sp.A / 176 Sp.D / 32 Speed
Modest Nature
Trait : Trace
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Wish
~ Psychic
~ Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball

Divine~Deoxys April 22nd, 2008 9:47 AM

Thanks, i'l leave you alone now.

El Gofre April 22nd, 2008 12:14 PM

Hi all, im tempted to join ooka's weather tourney so I was wondering how this would suit as a lead (K&G are allowed btw):
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Quiet
252SpAtt/252HP/6SpDef
WaterSpout/Surf
CalmMind
IceBeam
Thunder
So yeah, slowwww kyogre. With the two ubers being let in it's obvious groudon is going to be a big favorite, meaning poor iccle kyogre is going to be under-sped and have its weather fun ruined all day. Since i dont want that happening I'm trying to underspeed it if i can get one with low IVs and relyon its bulkiness to make up for it. Thoughts?

Dark Azelf April 22nd, 2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3522581)
Hi all, im tempted to join ooka's weather tourney so I was wondering how this would suit as a lead (K&G are allowed btw):
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Quiet
252SpAtt/252HP/6SpDef
WaterSpout/Surf
CalmMind
IceBeam
Thunder
So yeah, slowwww kyogre. With the two ubers being let in it's obvious groudon is going to be a big favorite, meaning poor iccle kyogre is going to be under-sped and have its weather fun ruined all day. Since i dont want that happening I'm trying to underspeed it if i can get one with low IVs and relyon its bulkiness to make up for it. Thoughts?

Why are people using Quiet JUST to get the weather on their side. Quiet really is only good for my mix Aqua Tail/Surf/Ice beam/Thunder 216 HP / 180 ATT/ 112 SP.ATT Kyogre which should not be used as a lead. You want to Outrun leads, really.


Scarf or Specs it, with water spout.


If you going Calm mind 252 HP / 244 Special Attack / 24 Speed @Modest, lets it tank better.

Sexycheese April 22nd, 2008 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 3521863)
Just to note: saying it's level 100 means absolutely nothing in the metagame with auto 100 wifi. xD Other than your going to a really hard time EV training it.

Anyway, relaxed nature is terrible on a ninetales. Pretty much need to scrap that thing entirely and iv breed for a new ninetales. You want Timid or Modest nature. :D

Slap hypnosis, energy ball, flamethrower or fire blast (accuracy/power choice) and finish off with a nice Nasty Plot w/ life orb. You could even go hidden power (ice/electric) or choice specs too. You can't really stall with a ninetales as it's HP is pathetic. If you want a special sweeper, max EVs into special attack and speed.

Also, if your looking for a nice blissey alternate, try snorlax, very good wall. ;D



Thanks beachboy for the ninetales moveset,I got a snorelax as well.I am thinking about keeping my gardevoir in the team but I am starting to doubt if it is any good....

Naive nature
Leftovers

Psychic
Thunderbolt
Calm mind
Reflect (got sick to death of trying to breed will-o-wisp on it and ralts not getting the move)

I have a rayquazza but since it is a legendry i am thinking about using salamance or dragonite. which of them is better and what set would be good for them?thanks!

XaRhS April 23rd, 2008 3:36 AM

hi there!can you give me a little hand in this?
do you know a good moveset for altaria?(colosseum restriction lv50)

Dark Azelf April 23rd, 2008 3:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3523949)
Thanks beachboy for the ninetales moveset,I got a snorelax as well.I am thinking about keeping my gardevoir in the team but I am starting to doubt if it is any good....

Naive nature
Leftovers

Psychic
Thunderbolt
Calm mind
Reflect (got sick to death of trying to breed will-o-wisp on it and ralts not getting the move)

I have a rayquazza but since it is a legendry i am thinking about using salamance or dragonite. which of them is better and what set would be good for them?thanks!

Eww Naive ? Thas really not a good nature as it lowers sp.def

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Modest Nature
252 HP / 48 Sp.A / 176 Sp.D / 32 Speed
Trait : Trace
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Wish
~ Psychic
~ Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball

Is what i use.



Also did you make sure the parent passing the move Will-o-wisp on was male ? XD

Sexycheese April 23rd, 2008 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3524355)
Eww Naive ? Thas really not a good nature as it lowers sp.def

[email protected]
Modest Nature
252 HP / 48 Sp.A / 176 Sp.D / 32 Speed
Trait : Trace
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Wish
~ Psychic
~ Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball

Is what i use.



Also did you make sure the parent passing the move Will-o-wisp on was male ? XD

How do you get wish? I have raised gardevior from level 1 and i have not been able to learn it?Is it a secret tm or something?

Divine~Deoxys April 23rd, 2008 8:05 AM

You get wish from the move tutor. If you're unsure about others, try checking the searchable pokedex on www.pokemon.marriland.com.
Could i have a set for a special walling Cresselia/Mesprit please? Just give the better one. Thanks

Dark Azelf April 23rd, 2008 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3524802)
You get wish from the move tutor. If you're unsure about others, try checking the searchable pokedex on www.pokemon.marriland.com.
Could i have a set for a special walling Cresselia/Mesprit please? Just give the better one. Thanks

Mesprit is a better physical, as it can take hits from Chomp, Gyarados better.

Cress can do either


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20 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 236 SP.ATT
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunderwave / Psychic / Charge Beam
- Reflect
- Moonlight / Rest

If you use Rest, its advisable to use a cleric.

Divine~Deoxys April 23rd, 2008 8:32 AM

Thanks for the Cresselia set. which would do better as a special wall? Caresselia or this Gardevoir set:

Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Modest
Trace
252hp,176sp.def,48sp.atk,32spd
Wil-o-wisp
Wish
Shadow Ball
Psychic

sigh...i wish Gardevoir knew Baton Pass

Kirioroshi April 23rd, 2008 8:57 AM

Gardevoir is more of a support pokemon and Cressellia's SDef is higher than Gardevoir

Divine~Deoxys April 23rd, 2008 9:17 AM

k.thnks. Is this a god Spurt? And if you read this DarkAzelf, i will not switch Avalanche for Ice Beam as the whole point of Avalanche is it works good on slow pokes.

Swampert (f) @ Leftovers
Impish
(we all know what starters use)
200def,200hp,108atk
Earthquake
Avalanche
Waterfall
Stealth Rock/Protect

The whole point of this guy is:
power.that can take hits.

Dark Azelf April 23rd, 2008 9:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3524927)
k.thnks. Is this a god Spurt? And if you read this DarkAzelf, i will not switch Avalanche for Ice Beam as the whole point of Avalanche is it works good on slow pokes.
.

Thing is avalanche is unreliable, if you dont get hit, your stuck with a base 60 power move. ice Beam is always better, being that is actually guarantees a ohko on Salamence, which avalanche fails to do. Even coming from Swamperts lower sp.att, with some sp.att evs, it will outdamage Avalance.

Less attack and more def 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6ATT

Please use Mixpert aswell, Skarmory, <insert physical wall here> just sees physical swampert as set up fodder. Even Hippowdon laughs at physical swampert =/


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240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
-ice beam
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Roar

On this set, Hydro pump 2hko's that same Skarmory and kills Hippowdon.

sims796 April 23rd, 2008 9:29 AM

Then you are being stubborn. Ice Beam out-damages Avalance in nearly every outspect. Mainly, dragons. Get that black & white view out of your head.

Now, I have a question on my Grumpig.

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Nature:Calm
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Rest
Calm Mind
EV:252 HP, 200 SP.DEF, 52 SP.ATK

So far, it has been walling good. Special attacks are nearly useless on this thing. However, a fair bit of pursuiters have been switching in, so I've decided Focus Blast>Psychic. Ghost/Fighting has better coverage than Ghost/Psychic. Shadow Ball is for Cress & other ghost types, while Blast can also hit Heatran, as well as help beat Porygon Z.

However, Calm Mind hasn't been doing much for me. I need a way to stop Pory cold. Calm Mind seems great, but then they switch into other pokes, forcing me to switch. So, the question is, do I keep Calm Mind, or lose it to Reflect/Light Screen?

Light Screen allows me to take on Pory better, while Reflect helps with, well, Pursuiters.

Dark Azelf April 23rd, 2008 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3524943)
Then you are being stubborn. Ice Beam out-damages Avalance in nearly every outspect. Mainly, dragons. Get that black & white view out of your head.

Now, I have a question on my Grumpig.

[email protected]
Nature:Calm
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Rest
Calm Mind
EV:252 HP, 200 SP.DEF, 52 SP.ATK

So far, it has been walling good. Special attacks are nearly useless on this thing. However, a fair bit of pursuiters have been switching in, so I've decided Focus Blast>Psychic. Ghost/Fighting has better coverage than Ghost/Psychic. Shadow Ball is for Cress & other ghost types, while Blast can also hit Heatran, as well as help beat Porygon Z.

However, Calm Mind hasn't been doing much for me. I need a way to stop Pory cold. Calm Mind seems great, but then they switch into other pokes, forcing me to switch. So, the question is, do I keep Calm Mind, or lose it to Reflect/Light Screen?

Light Screen allows me to take on Pory better, while Reflect helps with, well, Pursuiters.

I dont use Pursuit .......Much *Gets Shot* XP


You know, me thinks thunderwave would be nice in that last slot too. Light Screen or Reflect is cool, but Reflect would be better to stop said pursuit.

So yeah, its really up to you and what you fear most with that one. Only Nasty Plot P-Z causes you immense problems really, other versions can be outpredicted.

Divine~Deoxys April 23rd, 2008 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3524941)
Thing is avalanche is unreliable, if you dont get hit, your stuck with a base 60 power move. ice Beam is always better, being that is actually guarantees a ohko on Salamence, which avalanche fails to do. Even coming from Swamperts lower sp.att, with some sp.att evs, it will outdamage Avalance.

Less attack and more def 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6ATT

Please use Mixpert aswell, Skarmory, Gliscor?, just sees physical swampert as set up fodder. Even Hippowdon laughs at physical swampert =/


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240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
-ice beam
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Roar

On this set, Hydro pump 2hko's that same Skarmory and kills Hippowdon.

I can see your point. I will try it again, but i really do like Avalanche.

Lalapizzame April 23rd, 2008 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiddo999 (Post 3524993)
I can see your point. I will try it again, but i really do like Avalanche.

While the animation is cool,the move isn't.Ice Beam is obviously the better choice.More base power,doesn't rely on speed so much,and is a downright good Dragon type killer.

Crystal Shaymin April 23rd, 2008 4:40 PM

alright, which is better for my CS heatran?

lava plume/overheat/fire blast/flamethrower

which of these moves is better?

Anti April 23rd, 2008 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonshinylegends (Post 3525863)
alright, which is better for my CS heatran?

lava plume/overheat/fire blast/flamethrower

which of these moves is better?

That would depend what the 'S' stands for, whether it's specs or Scarf >.>

Fire Blast is probably your best bet in general though.

Crystal Shaymin April 23rd, 2008 5:08 PM

thanks. can i get a jolly dugtrio set?(no egg moves or hidden powers, as i cannot get them @[email protected])

ABYAY April 23rd, 2008 5:51 PM

[email protected] Band *I Trap Blissey*
Jolly
252spd/252atk/6HP (you need at LEAST 20 IVs in HP to hit 201 with this spread, which is required.)
Arena Trap (required)

Earthquake
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Night Slash/Sucker Punch
Aerial Ace

*I Revenge Everything* is a more suitable name, but Duggy most commonly kills Blissey, and on the switch in, it either absorbs T-Wave or takes Seismic Toss, leaving it at 101 HP. Quake, they toss (pray no Ice Beam), and you'll be at 1. Then, your 2nd Quake kills, regardless. Arena Trap is a requirement on this set.

The Dark/Rock moves are your personal preference. SE vs. Slide is power vs. Accuracy, whilist Night Slash vs. Sucker Punch is Reliability vs. Priority. Ace deals with Heracross.

Anti April 23rd, 2008 6:02 PM

Jolly Dugtrio can't 2HKO Blissey :/ It needs Adamant to do that. I'm pretty sure Duggy runs around 40 SDef EVs (don't remember the exact number) to take a boosted HP from Raikou, and considering you're running a jolly Dugtrio, it's something to consider (even though Raikou is far less common).

Archer April 23rd, 2008 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3526107)
[email protected] Band *I Trap Blissey*
Jolly
252spd/252atk/6HP (you need at LEAST 20 IVs in HP to hit 201 with this spread, which is required.)
Arena Trap (required)

Earthquake
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Night Slash/Sucker Punch
Aerial Ace

*I Revenge Everything* is a more suitable name, but Duggy most commonly kills Blissey, and on the switch in, it either absorbs T-Wave or takes Seismic Toss, leaving it at 101 HP. Quake, they toss (pray no Ice Beam), and you'll be at 1. Then, your 2nd Quake kills, regardless. Arena Trap is a requirement on this set.

The Dark/Rock moves are your personal preference. SE vs. Slide is power vs. Accuracy, whilist Night Slash vs. Sucker Punch is Reliability vs. Priority. Ace deals with Heracross.

A Jolly Dugtrio with a 31 Atk IV ties with max speed Zam. In this case, you are probably better with Night Slash as with Jolly you outspeed alsmost everything you want to hit...
I always found Pursuit fun for Azelf, Gengar and other Ghost/Psychics that LOL at Arena Trap. Just fitting it in could be a problem.

@ Sims - Yeah, TWave sounds good. Considering Grumpig has a base speed of 80, TWave really screws PZ over. Psywave is yummy for Grumpig. Especally if you intend to drop CM...

Divine~Deoxys April 24th, 2008 2:50 AM

Please can i have a moveset for a Rapid Spinning Blastoise? And does anyone know who you breed it with to get Aqua Ring,coz i figured it might be handy. This would be a mixed waling Blastoise.

Ambient April 24th, 2008 4:46 AM

(From Smogon, I use this aswell for my Blastoise, not in my normal team though)

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Torrent Trait
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpA (You may want around 56 EVs in SpA if you are using in OU play, to have a chance at killing Salamence, take from defence)
-Surf
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Yawn
-Ice Beam/Rest/Protect

(Aqua Ring isn't really that good, it uses up a move slot and it really isn't worth the small healing it gives.)

Dark Azelf April 24th, 2008 5:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambient (Post 3527135)
(From Smogon, I use this aswell for my Blastoise, not in my normal team though)

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Torrent Trait
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpA (You may want around 56 EVs in SpA if you are using in OU play, to have a chance at killing Salamence, take from defence)
-Surf
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Yawn
-Ice Beam/Rest/Protect

(Aqua Ring isn't really that good, it uses up a move slot and it really isn't worth the small healing it gives.)

I use a set like that aswell, but the one i have most success with is Rest/Sleep Talk/Rapid Spin/Surf. Weird, but it works =p


Anyways, as for my query is this


http://www.psypokes.com/dex/picdex/pd/386c_1.png

Deoxys speed.



I know what my set is going to be but im really uncertain for one of the slots. Its the fastest spiker in the game, so i want to abuse that.


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220 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 36 speed
Modest Nature
Trait : Pressure
- Psychic
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Toxic / Focus Blast / Knock off / Taunt ?.


The last slot as you can see is a huge problem, each move so useful, however im not sure what to run. Thunderbolt for Gyarados, Ice Beam for dragons, Toxic breaks stuff, Focus Blast for Tyranitar and weavile who want to pursuit me, knock off is awesome and cripples stuff. Taunt stops stuff using me as set up fodder, and me getting statused.

im also thinking 160 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 96 Speed @Timid to outrun scarf chomp, but Deoxys base hp is suckage. Base 50 =/


I need alot of help with this

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 7:19 AM

Hey, I'm trying to set up my very first poke'mon diamond/pearl poke'mon moveset and I need some help with my very first poke'mon.

Name: Torterra
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Overgrow
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
Moveset:
Earthquake
Cruch
Giga Drain
Leaf Storm

BeachBoy April 24th, 2008 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonairKing2000 (Post 3527501)
Hey, I'm trying to set up my very first poke'mon diamond/pearl poke'mon moveset and I need some help with my very first poke'mon.

Name: Torterra
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Overgrow
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
Moveset:
Earthquake
Cruch
Giga Drain
Leaf Storm

Really no reason I can see that you hit 252 evs. What role do you want him in the team? Tank, offense?

Seems you want an offensive set. >8D You came to the right guy. *Berserk snerk*

Torterra @ Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe
---
-Wood hammer
-Earthquake
-Stone edge
-Crunch (or Super Power)

236 speed evs set you into outspeed cresslia and suicune (minimum)

Fun set.

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 7:38 AM

Well I was putting Torterra into the physical attaker catagory when I seen him on serebii.

BeachBoy April 24th, 2008 7:43 AM

He's usually more of a wall.

Could also try tank.

Torterra @ leftovers
Impish
212 HP. 252 Defense, 44 spd
- Stealth Rock
- Leech seed
- Earthquake
- Wood hammer

SR is great in today's metagame, very useful, could also use protect for more recovery from leftovers.

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 7:48 AM

Alright, thanks for the movesets and the tips.

sims796 April 24th, 2008 7:49 AM

I disagree with his EV spread. He has better usage for his EV spread, like DEF over speed.

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 7:57 AM

Lol your a good moveset person, I was thinking for getting some examples for my Staraptor.

Name: Staraptor
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
Ability: Intimidate
Moveset:
Aerial Ace
Take Down
Close Combat
Brave Bird

sims796 April 24th, 2008 7:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 3527556)
44 spd will allow to outspeed an amount T-tars, along with minimum swampert/empoleon. For the offensive it outspeeds minimum suicune and cresslia.

Though you could pump spd into defense, but I wouldn't recommend that with the choice band set.

First off, the sp.def boost doesn't apply to him, only Rock types.

Second, he shouldn't really opt to outrun those threats, especially in the tanking sets. Without a point in ATK, Ttar can survive for an Ice Beam. Swampert, yeah, but not many Empoleon is run without some speed. I do not think that Suicune will fall to one Wood Hammer (tried it, can't remember, but I think it survived).

BeachBoy April 24th, 2008 8:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonairKing2000 (Post 3527564)
Lol your a good moveset person, I was thinking for getting some examples for my Staraptor.

Name: Staraptor
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
Ability: Intimidate
Moveset:
Aerial Ace
Take Down
Close Combat
Brave Bird

I'm in no way an expert with EVs, if anything I fail at it. Take sims advice.

Yeah I'm not so great with EV's anyway ._."

I need some EV help myself w/ Mixmence

Salamence @ Life orb
Rash
Intimidate
EVs: suggestions?
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Brick Break

I keep playing with various EV spread, suggestions?

sims796 April 24th, 2008 8:02 AM

Hold up, I never said those EVs fail. I'm no expert on EV's myself, but I am good with my Torterra.

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 8:08 AM

I don't know about the moveset but that's your idea for the moveset but this is my suggestion.

Name: Salamence @ Choice Specs
Nature: Naughty/Adamant
EV'S: 232 ATK/252 SPD/24 SP ATK
Ability: Intimidiate
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast

Dark Azelf April 24th, 2008 8:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonairKing2000 (Post 3527578)
I don't know about the moveset but that's your idea for the moveset but this is my suggestion.

Name: Salamence @ Choice Specs
Nature: Naughty/Adamant
EV'S: 232 ATK/252 SPD/24 SP ATK
Ability: Intimidiate
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast


Eww, i so hope you meant Choice band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3527281)



Anyways, as for my query is this


http://www.psypokes.com/dex/picdex/pd/386c_1.png

Deoxys speed.



I know what my set is going to be but im really uncertain for one of the slots. Its the fastest spiker in the game, so i want to abuse that.


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220 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 36 speed
Modest Nature
Trait : Pressure
- Psychic
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Toxic / Focus Blast / Knock off / Taunt ?.


The last slot as you can see is a huge problem, each move so useful, however im not sure what to run. Thunderbolt for Gyarados, Ice Beam for dragons, Toxic breaks stuff, Focus Blast for Tyranitar and weavile who want to pursuit me, knock off is awesome and cripples stuff. Taunt stops stuff using me as set up fodder, and me getting statused.

im also thinking 160 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 96 Speed @Timid to outrun scarf chomp, but Deoxys base hp is suckage. Base 50 =/


I need alot of help with this

Cough ^^^^

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 8:32 AM

Why is Choice Specs gross, he said that he needed some examples for his SPECSmence.

sims796 April 24th, 2008 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonairKing2000 (Post 3527596)
Why is Choice Specs gross, he said that he needed some examples for his SPECSmence.

Maybe because he doesn't have a single Special Attack?

Dark Azelf April 24th, 2008 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonairKing2000 (Post 3527596)
Why is Choice Specs gross, he said that he needed some examples for his SPECSmence.

You have all physical attacks with an Item that powers up Special attacks =/. He also wanted a MIXmence. Read


Quote:


Salamence @ Life orb
Rash
Intimidate
EVs: suggestions?
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Roost
- Brick Break

I keep playing with various EV spread, suggestions?

120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED works like a charm ;)

DragonairKing2000 April 24th, 2008 9:03 AM

Alright cool, you guys are right, I was wrong.

Ghi102 April 24th, 2008 11:29 AM

I'd need a moveset for my Magneton, it would be preferable if he could be half annoyer and half special sweeper. If by any chance there is a better pokemon with about the same moveset , could anyone tell me (with a moveset) thanks!

Here he currently is:

Magneton @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
Evs: 58 Hp, 200 Speed and 252 Special Attack
Jolly Nature (so I can put a bit of Hp Evs)

- Thunder Wave
- Supersonic
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute

Also if the stronger Pokemon also have Confuse Ray instead of Supersonic.

ABYAY April 24th, 2008 12:06 PM

someone wanted a Staraptor set?

[email protected] Band *This is going to hurt you more than it's going to hurt me.*
Jolly
252atk/252spd/6HP

Brave Bird
Return
Close Combat
U-Turn/Pursuit

Pursuit you'll have to breed for, but it'll nail pokemon swapping out, namely Exeggutor (If Raptor is considered BL), Azelf, and a few other threats. Brave Bird + massive attack + not-resisted = major pain. Use U-Turn to just Intimidate something, damage your opponent, and get out of there to a counter.

Scarf is an option, but go Adamant and less speed, more HP in that case (since 299 speed + Scarf is commonly overkill.)

Is the Magneton is a FireRed/LeafGreen/Emerald or D/P?

Jimmyray April 24th, 2008 1:28 PM

I need a decent Bulky Sweeping Gardy set. So far:

[email protected]/Life Orb/Choice Scarf
Calm Nature
252 Sp.Def 252 Sp.Atk 6 HP
Calm Mind/Psychic
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Thunderbolt/Focus Blast/Toxic/Thunder Wave
Shadow Ball

As you can see...I'm stuck.

El Gofre April 24th, 2008 1:38 PM

Me Likes CMVoir :)
But yeah, base 70 HP isnt all too bulky with only 4HP EVs, so move them around a bit. I use CM/Psy/TBolt/EnergyBall for mine, but ill go find the standard
*Scurries Away*

Jukain-Arashi April 24th, 2008 5:08 PM

Milotic
 
I have a BOLD Milotic. I would like to have a good moveset and EVs. So far my moveset is:
Surf
Ice Beam
Rest
Sleep Talk

Young Stunna' April 24th, 2008 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GengarMaster (Post 3528670)
I have a BOLD Milotic. I would like to have a good moveset and EVs. So far my moveset is:
Surf
Ice Beam
Rest
Sleep Talk

This is the wrong place for this but that moveset is ok.

Jukain-Arashi April 24th, 2008 5:14 PM

Ok, can I get the EVs? And can a mod please move this to where it belongs.

PokeMaster1 April 24th, 2008 5:25 PM

If you don't mind I can help make the teams for people via Action Replay.

sims796 April 24th, 2008 5:33 PM

Um, AR isn't allowed on this forum, and nobody would really want to do it the lazy way.

I mean, if you use it, fine, whatever floats your boat, but most others doesn't wanna cheat to make the team.


Most importantly, this is about helping to build your OWN team, not magically making one for oter people. Nice to offer, though.

Hadim Sinan Pasha April 24th, 2008 7:09 PM

Thinking of this for a Lucario. Please give any suggestions about it. Also, can someone give me suggestions about Vacuum Wave? I can't get a Hitmonchan even when I train a Bold natured Tyrogue. I know how to get one but attack is always higher than def which annoys me so I might swap out Vacuum Wave. Anyways, this is what it looks like.

Name:Lucario
Item:Choice Specs
Nature:Modest
EV Spread:252 Attack 252 Speed 6HP
Moveset:
-Aura Sphere
-Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse
-Psychic or Vacuum Wave

~Going for the Special Attacker/Sweeper. Aura Sphere never misses and Psychic just wastes a lot of things that come in his way.Dragon Pulse to help with those pesky Dragon types and Shadow Pulse for Psychic/Ghost type back-up. I don't know how common Psychic is but I think it will work better than Vacuum Wave. 2 Fighting moves is bulky IMO.

ABYAY April 24th, 2008 7:23 PM

Vacuum Wave has one use over Aura Sphere; Priority. Hi Weavile! Bye Weavile!

[email protected] Specs
Modest
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP

Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball (these two hit everything at least neutral)
HP Ice/Dragon Pulse (Dragon pounding vs. neutral coverage)
Vacuum Wave/Psychic (more coverage vs. Priority)

Mine runs the first 4 moves. More are personal preferences. Also, just keep on trying for Hitmonchan. You'll enjoy that Vacuum Wave.

[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252atk/252spd/6HP

Swords Dance
Extremespeed
Close Combat
Crunch/Stone Edge

Crunch lols at ghosts. This set is also a major beast. Extremespeed is priority and hits things much quicker than you for a lot.

Also, I think you mean 252sp.atk/252spd/6HP on your Lucario.

Hadim Sinan Pasha April 24th, 2008 7:49 PM

Yeah, I meant Special Attack. Sorry if I confused you. Yeah, might just do that, take a whole bunch of Tyrogue's with me to the pokemon league and own them over and over again until I get a Hitmonchan. Then train that until it learns VW (Vacuum Wave not Volkswagon) at LV26 (I think). I was just thinking Psychic because Hitmonlee and Hitmontop were pissing me off. I trained them both to level 24 (whilst they were Tyrogue) and still I couldn't get the Chan. This may take longer than I thought. I'll replace the Psychic if I get the Hitmonchan by the end of tonight.

Kirioroshi April 25th, 2008 12:42 AM

Lol celebi

getting hitmonchan is easy.

for

Hitmonchan, tyrogue's attack>defense before it evolves
hitmonlee , tyrogue needs more def than attack
hitmontop, tyrogue needs equal defense and attack.

so use vitamins >.>

instead of shadow ball, you can use dark pulse and get a chance to flinch them, but fighting types can resist dark pulse.


i got a question.

could someone recommend me some good physical leads?
im planning on using weavile at this stage, but not too sure.

Ambient April 25th, 2008 2:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3527281)
I use a set like that aswell, but the one i have most success with is Rest/Sleep Talk/Rapid Spin/Surf. Weird, but it works =p


Anyways, as for my query is this


http://www.psypokes.com/dex/picdex/pd/386c_1.png

Deoxys speed.



I know what my set is going to be but im really uncertain for one of the slots. Its the fastest spiker in the game, so i want to abuse that.


[email protected]
220 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 36 speed
Modest Nature
Trait : Pressure
- Psychic
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Recover
- Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Toxic / Focus Blast / Knock off / Taunt ?.


The last slot as you can see is a huge problem, each move so useful, however im not sure what to run. Thunderbolt for Gyarados, Ice Beam for dragons, Toxic breaks stuff, Focus Blast for Tyranitar and weavile who want to pursuit me, knock off is awesome and cripples stuff. Taunt stops stuff using me as set up fodder, and me getting statused.

im also thinking 160 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 96 Speed @Timid to outrun scarf chomp, but Deoxys base hp is suckage. Base 50 =/


I need alot of help with this

I'd personally go for Ice Beam if you are using the 160 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 96 Speed @Timid set, as what is the point in outrunning Scarfchomp if you can't have a shot at KOing it (correct me if I'm wrong), I also don't see much point in Psychic, I know it gets STAB, but Psychic doesn't have too good coverage so you could replace it with Knock Off or Taunt to cripple walls. However Thunderbolt, Focus Blast and Toxic are all useful options.

I can see why you're having trouble choosing a set, it has so many options, I guess it depends on the rest of your team, and what your team is most weak to, then you can decide on the moveset, I hope that helped.

EDIT: @ Kirioroshi

Top 20 Leads according to Shoddy Battle (March 2008)

Gengar (16590 leads)
Bronzong (14887 leads)
Gyarados (12517 leads)
Tyranitar (11043 leads)
Salamence (8894 leads)
Yanmega (8120 leads)
Hippowdon (7595 leads)
Ninjask (7485 leads)
Azelf (6478 leads)
Infernape (6109 leads)
Abomasnow (5957 leads)
Weavile (5770 leads)
Swampert (5621 leads)
Metagross (5484 leads)
Crobat (4933 leads)
Jolteon (4682 leads)
Roserade (4665 leads)
Aerodactyl (4329 leads)
Zapdos (4166 leads)
Ambipom (3452 leads)

I know they're not all physical leads, but that is a list of the most common leads. Weavile does make a good lead, and a good revenge killer.

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambient (Post 3529667)
I'd personally go for Ice Beam if you are using the 160 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 96 Speed @Timid set, as what is the point in outrunning Scarfchomp if you can't have a shot at KOing it (correct me if I'm wrong), I also don't see much point in Psychic, I know it gets STAB, but Psychic doesn't have too good coverage so you could replace it with Knock Off or Taunt to cripple walls. However Thunderbolt, Focus Blast and Toxic are all useful options.

I can see why you're having trouble choosing a set, it has so many options, I guess it depends on the rest of your team, and what your team is most weak to, then you can decide on the moveset, I hope that helped.

EDIT: @ Kirioroshi

Top 20 Leads according to Shoddy Battle (March 2008)

Gengar (16590 leads)
Bronzong (14887 leads)
Gyarados (12517 leads)
Tyranitar (11043 leads)
Salamence (8894 leads)
Yanmega (8120 leads)
Hippowdon (7595 leads)
Ninjask (7485 leads)
Azelf (6478 leads)
Infernape (6109 leads)
Abomasnow (5957 leads)
Weavile (5770 leads)
Swampert (5621 leads)
Metagross (5484 leads)
Crobat (4933 leads)
Jolteon (4682 leads)
Roserade (4665 leads)
Aerodactyl (4329 leads)
Zapdos (4166 leads)
Ambipom (3452 leads)

I know they're not all physical leads, but that is a list of the most common leads. Weavile does make a good lead, and a good revenge killer.

Yeah, i suppose i could drop psychic, by me thinks that it will be useful for Tenta, gengar etc, so meh.

Ill probably just end up using Knock Off/Ice Beam or Thunderbolt/Recover/SR or Spikes, then i can Knock Off whatever wants to come in on me to see what item they pack, namely a Choice band from T-Tar or Weavile so they cant ohko me with Pursuit. <I love using the move Pursuit, but hate it when its agains me XD


Thanks anyways, thats helped me quite a bit.

Hadim Sinan Pasha April 25th, 2008 4:15 AM

Kirioroshi said:
Hitmonchan, tyrogue's attack>defense before it evolves
hitmonlee , tyrogue needs more def than attack
hitmontop, tyrogue needs equal defense and attack.

What Kirioroshi meant:
Hitmonchan, Attack < (less than) Defense
Hitmonlee, Attack > (Greater than) Defense
Hitmontop, Attack = (equal to) Defense

Yeah. I'll use the vitamins. I just don't have the money. I only have something around the $250,000 mark. How many Iron's should I use. 4 or 8? 8 will give 20 Def more whereas 4 will only give 5 Def more.

Kirioroshi April 25th, 2008 6:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Celebi~ (Post 3529794)
Kirioroshi said:
Hitmonchan, tyrogue's attack>defense before it evolves
hitmonlee , tyrogue needs more def than attack
hitmontop, tyrogue needs equal defense and attack.

What Kirioroshi meant:
Hitmonchan, Attack < (less than) Defense
Hitmonlee, Attack > (Greater than) Defense
Hitmontop, Attack = (equal to) Defense

Yeah. I'll use the vitamins. I just don't have the money. I only have something around the $250,000 mark. How many Iron's should I use. 4 or 8? 8 will give 20 Def more whereas 4 will only give 5 Def more.


Lol my bad. thanks for that.

well if you lack money, go to the pokemon mansion and verse the old man and woman next to it, with an amulet coin and you can get like 24,000 ea battles.

Dani_X April 25th, 2008 11:17 AM

I'm doing a top-ou team. So, i'd like some movesets to this team plz :
Gengar
Tyranitar
Salamence
Celebi
Jirachi
Blissey

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 11:24 AM

Garchomp is no longer OU Dani, its Uber now

Dani_X April 25th, 2008 11:27 AM

Omg, has the month passed already? ;_;

Edited to Salamence

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 11:59 AM

Hmm well I think standard Bliss looks something like this -

[email protected]
Bold
Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Sp.Def
Softboiled
Areomatherapy
Seismic Toss/Ice beam
T-Wave/Ice beam

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani_X (Post 3530526)
I'm doing a top-ou team. So, i'd like some movesets to this team plz :
Gengar
Tyranitar
Salamence
Celebi
Jirachi
Blissey




[email protected] Scarf
64 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 192 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Hidden power Ice / Hypnosis

If your leading with Gengar, use Scarf Gar or you die to weavile =/. Your sp.sweeper and revenge killer.


[email protected] / Black Glasses / Life Orb
Jolly Nature
6 HP / 252 ATT / 252 SPEED
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake

Black Glasses Crunch 2hkos swampert if life orb's recoil puts you off. Taunt stops PHazing and status. Shuts down cressy. Your late game sweeper.


[email protected] Orb
120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild Nature
- Brick Brick
- Fire Blast
- Draco meteor
- Roost

Pwnage wall breaker =)


[email protected]
252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold Nature
- Grass Knot
- Leech Seed
- Perish Song / Stealth Rock
- Recover

Try this, Perish Song is to PHaze. Alternately, this can provide some team support with SR.


[email protected]
252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Impish Nature
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch
- Wish
- Reflect

Wish Support, and your switch in to Outrages, ice Punch rapes Draggy and Chomp locked into Outrages =). As you lack a physical wall, i feel this team would greatly benefit from Reflect.


[email protected]
40 HP / 252 DEF / 216 SP.DEF
Calm nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Seismic toss
- Thunderwave
- Softboiled
- aromatherapy

Standard



Try that ;)

Dani_X April 25th, 2008 1:23 PM

OMG! Thanks Azelf ! =DD
I think this team will work !
But, wouldn't Muscle Band be better than BlackGlasses if I don't like Life Orb recoil ?

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani_X (Post 3530724)
OMG! Thanks Azelf ! =DD
I think this team will work !
But, wouldn't Muscle Band be better than BlackGlasses if I don't like Life Orb recoil ?

Nah, you wouldnt be able to 2hko Swampy then. Muscle Band only grants a 10 % boost, al least Black Glasses makes it 20% better =p

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 2:23 PM

Could someone give me a few mixed sweeper sets please?

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xairmo (Post 3530826)
Could someone give me a few mixed sweeper sets please?

[email protected] Orb
120 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 136 SPEED
Mild Nature
- Brick Brick
- Fire Blast
- Draco meteor
- Roost


[email protected]
252 HP / 188 SP.ATT / 68 SPEED
Quiet Nature
- Dark pulse / Crunch
- Substitute
- ice Beam /Thunderbolt
- Focus Punch


[email protected] Orb
24 AT / 252 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED
Naive Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Flamethrower /Fire Blast
- Close Combat


[email protected] Orb
42 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Naive nature
- U-Turn / Grass Knot / Hidden power Fighting
- Explosion
- Psychic
- Flamethrower /Fire Blast


[email protected] Orb (Speed)
160 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 96 SPEED
Hasty / naive Nature
- Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball
- Ice Beam
- Super Power
- Psycho Boost / Psychic


[email protected] Orb
80 att / 252 SP.ATT / 176 SPEED
Mild Nature
- Cross Chop
- Flamethrower / Ice Punch
- Hidden power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
- Thunderbolt


[email protected] Orb
136 Atk / 156 SpA / 216 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Focus Punch
- Explosion
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball




There are loads, ill post more if you want.

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 2:44 PM

Im thinking of maybe going with Deoxsy but would you mind giving me a couple more?

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xairmo (Post 3530866)
Im thinking of maybe going with Deoxsy but would you mind giving me a couple more?

Ugg, i cant think


[email protected] Specs
64 Atk / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
Mild/Rash nature
~ Draco Meteor
~ Dragon Pulse / Thunderbolt
~ Flamethrower / Fire Blast
~ Focus Punch


[email protected] Scarf
252 Atk / 120 SpA / 136 Spe
Naughty Nature
~ Earthquake
~ U-turn
~ Stone Edge
~ Draco Meteor


[email protected] Orb
42 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Hasty Nature
- Taunt
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power / [Hidden power grass / Ice / Electric}
- Explosion

Ill would try and post more, but im tired.

ABYAY April 25th, 2008 3:04 PM

[email protected] Orb
Hasty/Mild
Either ability is fine I guess, but Adaptability is far superior.
252atk/252spd/6sp.atk

Return
Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

This is your sponge killer. Blissey is 2hko'd by Return (hits very hard on anything really...). Mixed walls will give you a lot of trouble though. Consider Dark Pulse as an option if you'd like.

The EV spread still gives you plenty of sp.atk to work with, but if you want to be more special-related, cut off of attack, but not too much.

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 3:05 PM

Thanks D_A youve been a great help. I think Im gonna try a few of them out

. April 25th, 2008 3:23 PM

Starting to EV some hatched Magikarp and Horseas for Kingdras and Gyarados.

Need a good, bulky, DDancing set for both of them.

Dark Azelf April 25th, 2008 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3530900)
[email protected] Orb
Hasty/Mild
Either ability is fine I guess, but Adaptability is far superior.
252atk/252spd/6sp.atk

Return
Tri-Attack
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

This is your sponge killer. Blissey is 2hko'd by Return (hits very hard on anything really...). Mixed walls will give you a lot of trouble though. Consider Dark Pulse as an option if you'd like.

The EV spread still gives you plenty of sp.atk to work with, but if you want to be more special-related, cut off of attack, but not too much.

That set is fun as hell to use lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3530938)
Starting to EV some hatched Magikarp and Horseas for Kingdras and Gyarados.

Need a good, bulky, DDancing set for both of them.


[email protected]
212 hp / 16 att / 180 def / 100 speed
Adamant Nature
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake /Stone Edge
- Waterfall / Ice Fang

Bulky Gyara

[email protected] Orb / Leftovers
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Naughty / Adamant Nature
Trait : Sniper.
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Return
~ Draco Meteor / Hydro Pump / Substitute

Marcy_11 April 25th, 2008 3:37 PM

Im after a decent stratergy/moveset involving th following pokemon

- Camerupt
- Machamp
- Charizard
- Octillery
- Tropius
- Umbreon


These pokemon arent a team just seperate pokemon im interested in training


thanks in advance

xx

♣Gawain♣ April 25th, 2008 4:16 PM

Umm.... Your moveset is somewhat not really good. YOUR movesets should be:

Hydropump
Blizzard
Safeguard
Recover

My nature is Modest, but yours is great.

Kishijoten April 25th, 2008 4:24 PM

your moveset it pretty good but it would be better if your milotic has these moves instead

ice beam
hydro pump
giga impact
safe gaurd

my milotic has a gentle nature your milotic is pretty good

luke April 25th, 2008 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuantumForce (Post 3531038)
Umm.... Your moveset is somewhat not really good. YOUR movesets should be:

Hydropump
Blizzard
Safeguard
Recover

My nature is Modest, but yours is great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninetalesbloom (Post 3531060)
your moveset it pretty good but it would be better if your milotic has these moves instead

ice beam
hydro pump
giga impact
safe gaurd

my milotic has a gentle nature your milotic is pretty good

Those are both terrible move sets.

Your move set is fine. Good EVs are: 212 HP / 100 Def / 246 SDef

luke April 25th, 2008 5:38 PM

I'm thinking of using Qwilfish in rain. Opinions?

sims796 April 25th, 2008 5:43 PM

I say it's a pretty good idea. It does have good stats, and especially good speed-for a UU Rain swimer.

A great movepool to boot. Or good enough. It has SD. Sounds good. You don't need a set, do you?

luke April 25th, 2008 5:47 PM

I was thinking either support or Swords Dance. I'm also thinking of trying out Choice Band Dusknoir.

sims796 April 25th, 2008 5:50 PM

How about Rain Dance from someone else? ersonally, I always thought of the poke most benifitting from Rain or Sun shouldn't waste a moveslot for that move, such as Kindra. Rather, have someone else do it. Difference is, Kinggy is more defensive.

As such, I like the SD set, since his movepool is type shallow.

ABYAY April 25th, 2008 5:52 PM

[email protected]/Life Orb
Adamant (Rain in effect)/Jolly (If you wanna go without rain)
252atk/252HP/6spd (with rain), or 252atk/252spd/6HP

Swords Dance
Waterfall
Poison Jab
Explosion/Rain Dance (If you use Rain Dance, go with the first set.)

Qwilfish gets 412 spd with Rain in effect, and Rain Dance in the last slot will give you survivability, but Explosion nails those tough tanks, especially after SD.

(I'm not a Qwilfish expert, but that set looks good.)

I'd like to see CB Dusknoir. I was planning for one myself, but he lacks good STAB. Quake would be your strongest move.

luke April 25th, 2008 5:54 PM

I'm also looking for good rain starters (preferably not Kingdra or Bronzong).

Dusknoir @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 ATK / 6 Def or SDef
Adamant Nature

Shadow Sneak
Ice Punch
Earthquake
Thunderpunch / Fire Punch

sims796 April 25th, 2008 5:57 PM

Ludicolo is one.

Pokes that can resist water, well, that's obvious. Of course, we must thinnk of what is the most often used water move, special or physical. Whichever wall you would like to lose a moveslot on.

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 5:57 PM

What about Ludicolo as a rain starter?
EDIT: Sims beat me to it >.<

ABYAY April 25th, 2008 6:10 PM

Use Gyarados!

In reality, common rain dancers are Bronzong, Ludicolo, Toxicroak, and Kingdra.

Also, that set looks fine Blueberry.

luke April 25th, 2008 6:16 PM

Anyone uncommon who might be effective as a Rain Starter. I hate being common.

sims796 April 25th, 2008 6:22 PM

Toxicroak. An excellent set I've seeen (but for the sake of being a surprize,I won't say whom) had this Croak:

[email protected]
Nature:???
Rain Dance
Substitute
Sucka Punch
Cross Chop
EV:???

Granted, I'll have to ask that particular person about his set in detail. But when used on me, it murdered. Granted, I was tired then, but he used it with great success, constantly healing de to Rainovers.

luke April 25th, 2008 6:38 PM

I would love to use Toxicroak, but I really want to use Qwilfish and having two non-levitating Poison-types on a team makes me nervous.

sims796 April 25th, 2008 6:44 PM

Understood.

Suicune, Lapras, Poliwrath, Wigglytuff, take your pick.

Yes, I said Tuff. Trying to get people to use it. Maybe Swampert. People waste a slot for Stealth Rock, why not Rain Dance? Possibly cause he's not immune.

Xairmo April 25th, 2008 6:45 PM

Toxicroak is a beast! Set up rain dance for its dry skin, a sub, and use focus punch! I've had one of those things rip through half my team

ABYAY April 25th, 2008 6:52 PM

Life Orb Toxicroak in Rain Dance STILL gains a little HP, even after the Orb saps some HP. Orb takes 10%, Rain restores 12.5%, as well as coming in on a boosted water move. (If Toxicroak has 270/300 HP, the Orb will take it to 240, but then rain comes in. You'll have 277 or 278, pending on whether it rounds up or not. In the end, consider it a hit powered by a non-draining Life Orb.)

luke April 25th, 2008 8:03 PM

Meh. Weather-based teams always seem so sloppily put together, but I want this team to be as effective as possible. So far I have:

Qwilfish
Starmie

Yeah. :(

sims796 April 25th, 2008 9:01 PM

Hum...so you'll need two Rain dancers at the least...

Archer April 25th, 2008 11:03 PM

Vaporeon is immune to Water, stopping the opponent abusing the Rain before you do. Its also sturdy enough.

Vaporeon @ Lefties/Wet Rock
Calm | Water Absorb
< 252 HP, 252 SDef, 6 Def >
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Wish
~ Rain Dance

Just an Idea...


Hadim Sinan Pasha April 25th, 2008 11:32 PM

Can I have a moveset for an Empoleon. Please include EV's and Nature.


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