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PkMn Trained May 5th, 2008 11:40 AM

I need an even team for the elite four. My only requiement is it has lucario in it.

El Gofre May 5th, 2008 11:43 AM

In that case I'd probably move those SpDef EVs into Def, you have light screen to compensate. Since most outrage user are fully physical you can set up light screen when the switch. Other than that I don't know, i suppose some of that HP could get moved into attack to threaten more on the counterattack, but im guessing survivability is priority #1. Hypnosis over T wave, with gyro ball being half of your offensive you dont wanna slow them down.

sims796 May 5th, 2008 11:47 AM

I keep forgetting I have Gyro. But then again, I do already have Sleep Powder & WoW, so I could forgo Gyro Ball for Earthquake, as I lack a good EQer, and I always feel that they belong.

El Gofre May 5th, 2008 11:53 AM

Depends on how dedicated an outrage counter this is. Gyro's generally handier for this purpose, since quite a few outrage users fly. Plus it gets STAB to make up for its lack of coverage. But otherwise EQ's the way forward for better coverage, and i know what you mean- you gotta have an EQer ;)

Dark Azelf May 5th, 2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquillae (Post 3558445)
I would like to see a D/P McGar set, basically enough EVs for the sub to survive Blissey Ice Beam (standard 104 SpA) and still do damage with FP.
FP for Snorlax too, Shadow Ball for Cress.

Gengar @ ?

Focus Punch
Shadow Ball
Substitute
filler

I actually had a set for that, it needs a + sp.def nature

[email protected] Belt
58 HP / 60 att / 200 sp.def / 192 SPEED
Gentle Nature (+ SP.DEF, - DEF)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt / HP Ice

104 sp.att Blissey does

Damage: 21.09% - 24.73% to the above spread w/Ice Beam.



Focus Punch does

Damage: 50.56% - 59.52%

to max hp / max def Bold Blissey


and does

Damage: 47.91% - 56.26%

To 168 / 120 def (Curselax) Neutral Snorlax.


Also 36.04% - 42.34% on Max hp / max sp.def + Nature Cresselia w/Shadow Ball, which is not bad, considering the cress spread.



192 speed lets you outspeed all base 100's and neutral Garchomp. If you dont want to be that fast, you can cut it down.





@Sims, those evs look fine, but why Thunderwave when your using Gyro ball lolz. I dont think it can get T-Wave either



I also think you need something to block Machamp, not just Outrages [/Low Blow] Haha ;)

sims796 May 5th, 2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3559359)
I actually had a set for that, it needs a + sp.def nature

[email protected] Belt
58 HP / 60 att / 200 sp.def / 192 SPEED
Gentle Nature (+ SP.DEF, - DEF)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt / HP Ice

104 sp.att Blissey does

Damage: 21.09% - 24.73% to the above spread w/Ice Beam.



Focus Punch does

Damage: 50.56% - 59.52%

to max hp / max def Bold Blissey


and does

Damage: 47.91% - 56.26%

To 168 / 120 def (Curselax) Neutral Snorlax.


Also 36.04% - 42.34% on Max hp / max sp.def + Nature Cresselia w/Shadow Ball, which is not bad, considering the cress spread.



192 speed lets you outspeed all base 100's and neutral Garchomp. If you dont want to be that fast, you can cut it down.





@Sims, those evs look fine, but why Thunderwave when your using Gyro ball lolz. I dont think it can get T-Wave either



I also think you need something to block Machamp, not just Outrages [/Low Blow] Haha ;)

You see, I am sick of getting these moves wrong! I coulda sworn it could learn Thunderwave! Gah! Whelp, time for Hypnosis.

So, those EV's are sound? Good, cause YOU gave em to me! But I needed to see if it stood up to the changes. And yeah, Gofre, I'll try them both out. Gyro Ball may seem superior, but it has less PP, so...


Now I gotta wear a cuff.

ABYAY May 5th, 2008 4:19 PM

Alright, I'm in a slight dilemma. I have a standard Mismagius with Shadow Ball, HP Fighting, Calm Mind, and Taunt (Unique, but Bliss fodder and decimates teams not ready for it.) Anyway, I need 1 or 2 good accompanying pokemon to go with it. I'm not searching for anything in particular...just some stuff that partners well with it.

Cloud_85 May 5th, 2008 4:20 PM

Well I'm planning a new team, I want to start with an Agility BP Bulky Zapdos:


[email protected]
252 HP/120 Def/138 Sp.Def
Bold
Thunderbolt
Roost
Agility
Baton Pass

This thing can survive to a CB Gyarados (Max attack) Stone Edge, or the always scary Draco Meteor on a Specsmence. ScarfGar can be a problem, but anyways he won't hurt me and I'll have a cleric in the team in case of a Hypnosys.



So, It this good? Or should I change a little things...?

Edit-
Actually ABY, Mismagius will have the same problem that Gengar, he will die to pursuit. T-Tar,Weavile, Metagross and othe pursuit users will be a mess. A pokemon that can deal with them will be good, maybe Heatran or another Steel. Also watch for his low defense, a Physical wall is always welcome.

Dark Azelf May 6th, 2008 7:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3560026)
Alright, I'm in a slight dilemma. I have a standard Mismagius with Shadow Ball, HP Fighting, Calm Mind, and Taunt (Unique, but Bliss fodder and decimates teams not ready for it.) Anyway, I need 1 or 2 good accompanying pokemon to go with it. I'm not searching for anything in particular...just some stuff that partners well with it.

heatran covers its dark and Ghost weak, and mismagius covers heatrans fighting and ground weaks.

Something to consider.

Valarauca May 6th, 2008 12:07 PM

what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Dark Azelf May 6th, 2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Wut ? Im sorry but that made not sense what so ever, which pokemon ? Be specific.

El Gofre May 6th, 2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Eevee: 57
Slowking: 53
Minun: 48
Dunsparce: Bred

Crystal Shaymin May 6th, 2008 3:39 PM

i need a specsmence set, that hasn't got HP ground or hydro pump :/

Lalapizzame May 6th, 2008 6:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonshinylegends (Post 3562158)
i need a specsmence set, that hasn't got HP ground or hydro pump :/

Sorry,but then it isn't a Specsmence and gets walled by Heatran.

Sexycheese May 6th, 2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

I would not bother with that move mate.Takes to long for it to do any noticeable damage besides, the pokemon that can use trump card are pretty weak with exception to slowking

sims796 May 7th, 2008 4:14 AM

Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 5:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563657)
Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

true, but he is ok (use the term loosely) for stall. slowking is better as it gets slack off

sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:14 AM

Oh no, Slowking is good, but no matter who uses it, Trump Card sucks.

Archer May 7th, 2008 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563657)
Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

I thought Trump Card was a Special Attack. Nevermind. Also, keep in mind that All the eeveelutions have access to it. This opens some options if it wasn't outdone by most STAB moves. It is almost useless competetively, as you cannot waste PP before a Battle, unlike in-game.

Also, are there any specific EVs for a Mixed wall Bronzong or should I just balance the Stats?


sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:45 AM

Well, whadda know, musta been thinking of Last Resort.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563867)
Well, whadda know, musta been thinking of Last Resort.

Last resort is good if you arte walling and all your other moves are low pp but
that can be very predictable plus it don`t work on ghosts

sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:55 AM

No. Last Resort is awful. You need to use up all your moves, and in wifi, that will almost never happen. You will lose way before you get to use it.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563903)
No. Last Resort is awful. You need to use up all your moves, and in wifi, that will almost never happen. You will lose way before you get to use it.

true. oh by the way anyone know a good moveset for cloister?

Dark Azelf May 7th, 2008 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3563933)
true. oh by the way anyone know a good moveset for cloister?

[email protected]
252 HP / 200 SP.DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Surf / Rest
- ice Beam / Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes



Go for its sp.att and sp.def, it already has more than enough def anyways.



[email protected] Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- Nothing
- Nothing



OLOL

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 6:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3563951)
[email protected]
252 HP / 200 SP.DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Surf / Rest
- ice Beam / Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes



Go for its sp.att and sp.def, it already has more than enough def anyways.



[email protected] Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- Nothing
- Nothing



OLOL

Thanks a lot is toxic spikes from move tutor cuz if it is is
there an easier way to get a heart scale cuz i have not found one in underground for ages

Dark Azelf May 7th, 2008 6:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3563972)
Thanks a lot is toxic spikes from move tutor cuz if it is is
there an easier way to get a heart scale cuz i have not found one in underground for ages

yeah, T-Spikes is from the move tutor.


Try the trade center maybe for heart scales ?

Archer May 7th, 2008 7:54 AM

Yeah, people in the trade threads here seem to be generous and if it helps, I seem to find them in the corners of the screen.

I see a lot of custom EV spreads for Tentacruel around the net. Is there any particular threat the Defensive EVs are there to counter? I just usually use 252 HP/252 SDef, otherwise it's too fragile.

Dark Azelf May 7th, 2008 9:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3564157)
Yeah, people in the trade threads here seem to be generous and if it helps, I seem to find them in the corners of the screen.

I see a lot of custom EV spreads for Tentacruel around the net. Is there any particular threat the Defensive EVs are there to counter? I just usually use 252 HP/252 SDef, otherwise it's too fragile.

It helps cushion Mixapes Close Combat etc.

El Gofre May 7th, 2008 11:04 AM

Hi all, hows this for UU gimmick from hell:
[email protected] Scarf
Timid, Serene Grace
252SpAtt/252SpAtt/6HP
Charge Beam
Water Pulse
Flamethrower
Acient Power

So yeah, charge beam+Serene Grace= Guarenteed stat-up. It's like a calm mind boost and an attack rolled into one. Scarf and timid allows for an acceptable speed of around 350, and after two charge beams you have a SpAtt stat of over 500. Water pulse ruins ground type's days, and flamethrower ruins grass types who ruin both attacks.

So yeah, its gimmicky, but at all viable?

luke May 7th, 2008 11:37 AM

Except with Scarf, you're limited to one attack. If you using Charge Beam and a ground-type comes in, you have to switch.

El Gofre May 7th, 2008 11:40 AM

Yeah that goes without saying. It just opens up his options a bit more. I just went a bit hyper when i realised garenteed charge boosts and didnt think of the rest of the set :P

Crystal Shaymin May 7th, 2008 2:10 PM

i need a infernape set, nature and ev spread. smogon says jolly, but i got an adamant one with thunderpunch. anything i can user it for, or breed for jolly?

Lalapizzame May 7th, 2008 4:00 PM

I'm currently using this moveset on Azelf:
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot
Psychic
Nasty Plot
I'm thinking of using Flamethrower but I don't know what to replace.Help? :(

Anti May 7th, 2008 4:27 PM

Thunderbolt for sure. You need Psychic for STAB and Grass Knot to drill Tar and whatnot. Flamethrower over Thunderbolt is your best bet.

Sexycheese May 8th, 2008 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3564034)
yeah, T-Spikes is from the move tutor.


Try the trade center maybe for heart scales ?

Thankss for the tip I will do that.

The Beast May 8th, 2008 10:24 AM

Hey I need help on this Venasaur that I'm currently making.

Venasaur @ Leftovers
Adamant
Petal Dance
Worry Seed
Synthesis
Solarbeam
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

Dark Azelf May 8th, 2008 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lalapizzame (Post 3564857)
I'm currently using this moveset on Azelf:
Thunderbolt
Grass Knot
Psychic
Nasty Plot
I'm thinking of using Flamethrower but I don't know what to replace.Help? :(


Thunderbolt is not too great on Azelf, it only lets you hit Gyarados and Togekiss harder really.

So Flamethrower >> T-BOlt

Hidden power Fighting is nice >> Grass Knot, so Heatran doesnt completely wall you, but if you cant get it, Grass Knot is cool.

umbros May 8th, 2008 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beast (Post 3566663)
Hey I need help on this Venasaur that I'm currently making.

Venasaur @ Leftovers
Adamant
Petal Dance
Worry Seed
Synthesis
Solarbeam
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

Wow. Sorry, but this one's not gonna make it. You can't really use an adamant Venusaur, and the moveset is totally shot. Plus, the EVs are all messed up.

woooooohooooooooooooo May 8th, 2008 4:23 PM

my crystal team... for now
 
Alakazam L20
-fire punch
-kinesis
-confusion
-ice punch
Alright i know im going to keep
him he's a very powerful psychic type
so i just need suggestions on
moveset probably


Quagsire L20
-mud slap
-water gun
-slam
-tail whip
So far with him
im thinking on also leaving him and
teaching him blizzard and earthquake and some good water attack
and rain dance maybe advice?


Zubat L16
-leech life
-supersonic
-bite
I MIGHT keep him and get him to evolve to a crobat
and im having trouble on a moveset for this one
some advice also maybe?


Elekid L17
-quick attack
-thunder punch
-leer
-light screen
Alright i know for sure im keeping him he's just the best electric pokemon in my opinion im going to set him up with ice punch
and thunderbolt too
other attacks i dont know


for my fire pokemon im thinking
of maybe arcanine or magmar?


and for a 6th pokemon idk =\

comment your opinions and see if itll help?

Lalapizzame May 8th, 2008 5:38 PM

Can anyone tell me the standard Uxie set?

Aquilae May 8th, 2008 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beast (Post 3566663)
Hey I need help on this Venasaur that I'm currently making.

Venasaur @ Leftovers
Adamant
Petal Dance
Worry Seed
Synthesis
Solarbeam
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

First of all, Solarbeam is a bad option on Venusaur, even if you are using it with Sunny Day support, because Sand Streamers like Tyranitar are going to ruin your fun.

That said, i'll try to think of a physical attacking Venusaur set:

Venusaur @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Adamant
94 HP/252 Attack/236 Speed
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Return
Sleep Powder/Petal Dance/Synthesis

236 Speed is for no-speed base 100s. The loss of physical Sludge Bomb hurt Venusaur hard, reducing its offensive movepool to about Earthquake and Return. Petal Dance is vastly inferior due to base 90 power and the amount of Grass resistors in the game.
Sleep Powder is recommended, Petal Dance is almost suicide, Synthesis is screwed over by Sandstorm.

Sexycheese May 9th, 2008 1:49 AM

I think I need some help cuz I am trying to come up with a team of pokemon where 5 of them know baton pass so that I can pass on status boosts on attack,speed, everything to the sixth pokemon (considering spiritomb) but I dont know what set to use for spirttomb and what batton passers to use. Help please?

Marcy_11 May 9th, 2008 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3568594)
I think I need some help cuz I am trying to come up with a team of pokemon where 5 of them know baton pass so that I can pass on status boosts on attack,speed, everything to the sixth pokemon (considering spiritomb) but I dont know what set to use for spirttomb and what batton passers to use. Help please?

You need to give an idea of what pokemon you want

also

your signature with steve irwin is offensive

The Beast May 9th, 2008 4:30 AM

Alright thanks for the Venasaur, now for my Blastoise.

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Adamant
Aqua Tail
Skull Bash
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

Aquilae May 9th, 2008 4:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beast (Post 3568847)
Alright thanks for the Venasaur, now for my Blastoise.

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Adamant
Aqua Tail
Skull Bash
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump
EV's: 6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

Dude, you can't just watch me pull crappy movesets out of my hat right? =/

Blastoise @ Choice Band
Adamant, 64 HP/252 Attack/192 Speed

Waterfall
Ice Punch/Avalanche
Earthquake
Aqua Jet/Rock Slide/Body Slam/Return

Aqua Jet is illegal with Ice Punch.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 7:24 AM

I was inspired by a thread I recently posted on, and want to try out a fun, yet powerful, team that uses ONLY the following Pokémon.

Blaziken
Glaceon
Snorlax
Blastoise
Beautifly
Venusaur

Feel free to let loose.

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 7:55 AM

Beautifly and powerful don't really fit in the same sentence. The thng sucks tbh.

[email protected]
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Flare Blitz
Agility
Earthquake
StoneEdge
Another poke that isnt that great. Infernape kicks its ass tbh. It's not fast enough to sweep on its own so agility is nice.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 7:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569197)
Beautifly and powerful don't really fit in the same sentence. The thng sucks tbh.

[email protected]
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Flare Blitz
Agility
Earthquake
StoneEdge
Another poke that isnt that great. Infernape kicks its ass tbh. It's not fast enough to sweep on its own so agility is nice.

Except that May doesn't have an Infernape. Stick to the Pokémon I listed.

It's a team for fun, but I still want it to be as powerful as it can be. That's what I meant, at least.

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 8:13 AM

Ok, since there's no standard set for it (As far as i know) I'll try and salvage something from the disaster that is beautify:

[email protected] Scarf
Modest
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
HP Fire
Bug Buzz
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Choice scarf allows it to do something before it's inevitably KOed. This is about all it can do tbh. I dont recommend using this in competetive enviroments, it will get laughed at. Still, that's the best I could come up with.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 8:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569225)
Ok, since there's no standard set for it (As far as i know) I'll try and salvage something from the disaster that is beautify:

[email protected] Scarf
Modest
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
HP Fire
Bug Buzz
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Choice scarf allows it to do something before it's inevitably KOed. This is about all it can do tbh. I dont recommend using this in competetive enviroments, it will get laughed at. Still, that's the best I could come up with.

It'll work, if you don't make me use Hidden Power (breeding for it is so damn hard). This isn't really a serious team, after all.

What of the other five? I was thinking of Brave Bird for Blaziken, so we can kill Infernape...Then again, are any of those Pokémon OU?

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 8:22 AM

Without HP fire you have no way of hurting steel types at all. He needs it. Plus its movepool is uber-limited. The only other option would be psychic on a choice set, so if you dont wanna breed good luck with steels. But saying that good luck with anything using that thing ;)

Brave Bird's kinda redundant. EQ is already SE on infernape and the recoil from both BB and life orb will rack up very quickly.

Snorlax is OU, and a few of them are BL. Since BL isnt a metagame in itself this team is either OU or illegal.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 8:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569246)
Without HP fire you have no way of hurting steel types at all. He needs it. Plus its movepool is uber-limited. The only other option would be psychic on a choice set, so if you dont wanna breed good luck with steels. But saying that good luck with anything using that thing ;)

Brave Bird's kinda redundant. EQ is already SE on infernape and the recoil from both BB and life orb will rack up very quickly.

Snorlax is OU, and a few of them are BL. Since BL isnt a metagame in itself this team is either OU or illegal.

Considering that any, and I do mean any, Steel Pokémon can OHKO a Beautifly, regardless of EV and IV help, I really don't think that I truly need Hidden Power there. Besides, we have Blaziken, and there's always Venusaur SubSeeding or something, I guess.

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 8:31 AM

Outspeeding and being able to KO them means you wouldnt need to risk your other pokes by switching into them.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 8:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569272)
Outspeeding and being able to KO them means you wouldnt need to risk your other pokes by switching into them.

And what Steel Pokémon can't outspeed a Beautifly?

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 8:38 AM

Below are the UU steels you'll be able to ourtrun, provided they are running their standard sets.
Bronzong
Forretress
Jirachi
Magnezone
Metagross
Scizor
Skarmory

Thats pretty much every OU steel, barring sweepers like lucario and heatran. It's a pretty nice number if you ask me, not to mention some of them are very popular.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 8:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569296)
Below are the OU steels you'll be able to ourtrun, provided they are running their standard sets.
Bronzong
Forretress
Jirachi
Magnezone
Metagross
Scizor
Skarmory

Thats pretty much every OU steel, barring sweepers like lucario and heatran. It's a pretty nice number if you ask me, not to mention some of them are very popular.

I fixed your typo.

Okay, I get the point. But I still don't want to have to breed OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND!!!! Wurmples, hope I get a good one, then hope it evolves into Silcoon.

sims796 May 9th, 2008 9:39 AM

That post was epic win.

However, those are the dangers of breeding Wurmple.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3569394)
That post was epic win.

However, those are the dangers of breeding Wurmple.

Thanks.

Isn't there an easier way? You know, without cheating? Please tell me there's an easier way.

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 10:39 AM

Nope, have fun breeding ;)

The Beast May 9th, 2008 2:05 PM

Hey guys here's another post from da beast.

Charizard @ Leftovers
Jolly
Flamethrower
Fire Spin
Heat Wave
Flare Blitz
6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

Dunsparce May 9th, 2008 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beast (Post 3570011)
Hey guys here's another post from da beast.

Charizard @ Leftovers
Jolly
Flamethrower
Fire Spin
Heat Wave
Flare Blitz
6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

*barfs*

FOUR FIRE MOVES?!?!?!

I use this non-Standrd Set for my 'Zard:

[email protected] Specs
Timid/Modest
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Overheat
Dragon Pulse
HP Ground
Air Slash/Focus Punch

This is different from the standard Specs 'Zard. The only thiong that resists Fire + Dragon is Heatran, who cries when hit with HP Ground. Air Slash for Secondary STAB or Focus Punch to suprise Blissey.

EDIT: As always, the standard is better.

Xairmo May 9th, 2008 2:24 PM

You could also go BellyZard

[email protected] Berry/Leftovers
Blaze
Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 Speed / 6 HP
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake

Im not sure about the EVs though >.<

El Gofre May 9th, 2008 2:34 PM

That charizard set is what I'd expect from someone who uses "the" as "da" and talks about himself in third person :|
Bellyzard is nice, its just a pity SR and priority moves screw it over. Speczard rocks my socks:

[email protected]Flame Plate Specs ;)
Timid
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Flamethrower
Dragon Pulse
Air Slash
HP Ground/Fight

EDIT: Just noticed it's almost exactly the same as dunsparce's :P

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3569498)
Nope, have fun breeding ;)

Damn it. All right, fine.

What about the other five? There was Blaziken, Venusaur, Blastoise, Snorlax, and Glaceon.

umbros May 9th, 2008 5:49 PM

Hey, can I get a moveset for a Victreebell? I like the little guy, but it doesn't seem to be popular enough to have much of a standard.

Aquilae May 9th, 2008 8:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3570638)
Hey, can I get a moveset for a Victreebell? I like the little guy, but it doesn't seem to be popular enough to have much of a standard.


Victreebel @ Life Orb
Modest nature
116 HP / 252 SpA / 32 SpD/ 108 Speed

- Sleep Powder
- Growth
- SolarBeam
- Hidden Power Fire

Set up Sunny Day with another thing and try to make it sweep.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 9th, 2008 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unlimited NiGHTS (Post 3570572)
What about the other five? There was Blaziken, Venusaur, Blastoise, Snorlax, and Glaceon.

What am I, chopped liver? I may despise breeding for Hidden Power, but I still want to build this team.

Sexycheese May 10th, 2008 3:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Beast (Post 3570011)
Hey guys here's another post from da beast.

Charizard @ Leftovers
Jolly
Flamethrower
Fire Spin
Heat Wave
Flare Blitz
6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD

what the hell! dude anyone whos not ice or grass is gonna whup you big time!!!!! I usualy dont pay any attention to move types but that is mental!!

Dark Azelf May 10th, 2008 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xairmo (Post 3570065)
You could also go BellyZard

[email protected] Berry/Leftovers
Blaze
Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 Speed / 6 HP
-Substitute
-Belly Drum
-Fire Punch
-Earthquake

Im not sure about the EVs though >.<

Put the 6 hp into def, and make your hp Iv even, so you can activate Salac after a sub and belly [email protected]



As for specs zard ... Why HP Ground ?? Focus Blast >> HP Ground Plzzz..

Archer May 10th, 2008 6:08 AM

HP [Ground] gets a 4x on Heatran, though. Which is pretty much the only thing that Fire+Dragon don't cover. Not to mention the increased accuracy.

What would be a good Phys Wall set for Tangrowth? Sleep Powder would be nice....

Aquilae May 10th, 2008 6:50 AM

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Impish, 252 HP, 228 Def, 28 Speed

Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Power Whip
Knock Off

Lol C+P from Smogon. HP Electric can be used on it for Gyara, Stun Spore can be used for random status.

Never really liked Tangrowth much, gets easily run over by Hera and Fighting neutrality kinda kills it in addition to no reliable recovery (Morning Sun would make you miss out on its egg moves - Leech Seed most notably).

Dark Azelf May 10th, 2008 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3572121)
HP [Ground] gets a 4x on Heatran, though. Which is pretty much the only thing that Fire+Dragon don't cover. Not to mention the increased accuracy.

What would be a good Phys Wall set for Tangrowth? Sleep Powder would be nice....

And what are you going to do to T-Tar with HP Ground?

Archer May 10th, 2008 7:25 AM

Hit for 2x. It really depends on what counts as more of a threat to that particular team. If you fear TTar, then by all means, pick Focus Blast, but If you have a reliable TTar counter and you hate Heatran, then take HP [Ground]. There is also the classic Power vs Accuracy debate.


@Aquillae - It is on the same team as a Weezing. That helps.

Unlimited NiGHTS May 10th, 2008 7:43 AM

And what about that May team I was going to build?

Oh, forget it. Pokémon is far too tedious and redundant for me to have to deal with this thread as well. So much for my interest in this game.

*throws away DS Pokémon game and subscription to this thread*

Crystal Shaymin May 10th, 2008 2:13 PM

ok, i got a bold cresselia.

it has these iv's:
Cresselia - #488 (Bold)
HP: 22 - 23
Att: 28 - 29
Def: 4 - 5
SpA: 12 - 13
SpD: 29
Speed: 12 - 13

all mainly good, except for defense. so, can i get a set for it?

Kirioroshi May 10th, 2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonshinylegends (Post 3573127)
ok, i got a bold cresselia.

it has these iv's:
Cresselia - #488 (Bold)
HP: 22 - 23
Att: 28 - 29
Def: 4 - 5
SpA: 12 - 13
SpD: 29
Speed: 12 - 13

all mainly good, except for defense. so, can i get a set for it?

what do you mean all mainly good O.o. the only good iv's are attack and Sdef. the rest are really bad, with an exception of HP. Hp is alright, but not that great.
i wouldn't use this cresselia if i were you.

if you really wanted to you can just use any old set.

maybe a standard set.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Modest/Bold
20Hp/252Def/236SAtk
-Refelct
-Rest / Moonlight
-Charge Beam
-Ice Beam

eh i don't know.

Valarauca May 11th, 2008 12:00 AM

Is this any good?

Spec sweeper

Typhlsion @ leftovers
modest
Ev:252hp/252spa/4sp
-flamethrower
-eruption/focus blast
-solarbeam
-sunnyday

Note: I think i shouldn't be so heavy on the fire, but i like the sunny day and solarbeam combo on a fire pokemon

LethalTexture May 11th, 2008 12:09 AM

Try this:

Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP

- Eruption
- Solarbeam
- Focus Blast
- Flamethrower/HP Ice

This guy will be more effective if you get another, more defencively-orientated Pokémon to set the sun for you. Choice Scarf makes it quite fast, and the last slot is down to preference, whether you want more coverage or more longevity. I'd go Flamethrower for another STAB move if your HP is low.

Valarauca May 11th, 2008 12:51 AM

I kind of wanted to keep sunny day because it raise eruptions base power to 225, and weaknes water attacks.. Maybe he won't be a sweeper just a random addition

Aquilae May 11th, 2008 12:58 AM

Sunnybeamers in OU suck in general, and a Sunny Day Typhlosion is no exception. It does not have an easily exploitable trait that can be used in the sun (read: Chlorophyll), that gives it a speed boost which would allow it to outrun and KO other pokemon. It also is screwed up by random Sandstreamers/Abomasnow, and Heatran walls a set like there's no tommorow.

Solarbeam is automatically useless outside of Sunny Day, and without STAB and a crappy attacking type, you won't be hurting much. In Sandstream, Solarbeam takes 2 turns to charge which is a huge disadvantage.

Go with ScarfTyphlosion, easily the best set for it, although I would recommend Mild/Rash and 144 attack EVs, Focus Punch > Focus Blast, for Blissey (2HKO).

Solarbeam is not a viable choice for the reasons I listed above, but Typhlosion doesn't have many options anyway. I would put the secondary Fire move > Solarbeam, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Overheat or Will-O-Wisp.
The last slot should be HP Ice, or if you fear Heatran that much Earthquake.

LethalTexture May 11th, 2008 1:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3574242)
I kind of wanted to keep sunny day because it raise eruptions base power to 225, and weaknes water attacks.. Maybe he won't be a sweeper just a random addition

Which is why I said you should get another Pokémon to set up Sunny Day for you ;D

umbros May 11th, 2008 9:10 AM

Agreed with getting something else to set up Sunny Day for you. Even if you leave Sunny Day on the Typhlosion, you're forgetting that something's probably gonna hit you before you get a chance to hit them with Eruption. Then Eruption's strength will be lowered quite a bit, with or without the sun.

sims796 May 11th, 2008 9:38 AM

Which brings up the question.

What are good Sunny Day starters? In OU, I mean. Including UU that can strive outr=side thier enviornment. I think Thick Fat pokes, like Grumpig & Snorlax, would do well. But what fast pokemon can start it?

Anti May 11th, 2008 9:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3575229)
Which brings up the question.

What are good Sunny Day starters? In OU, I mean. Including UU that can strive outr=side thier enviornment. I think Thick Fat pokes, like Grumpig & Snorlax, would do well. But what fast pokemon can start it?

In one word, Moltres. Moltres can abuse Sunny Day and laugh even at our friend Blissey (thogh I imagine with SDef EVs that becomes harder). I guess Entei would work...lol

Crystal Shaymin May 11th, 2008 3:38 PM

alright. i am using a trick room team, but i don't know any sp. attackers that can be usd on one. any ideas? and sets for them?

Angelic Diablo May 11th, 2008 4:13 PM

I'd still go with something like a Gengar for the special sweeper... with Trick Room only lasting 5 turns (4 if you don't include the set up turn then switching to appropriate poke) then you might as well have a fast sweeper for the times TR isn't running

Archer May 11th, 2008 4:26 PM

Trick Room Special Attacker: Slowking w/ Nasty Plot.

Crystal Shaymin May 11th, 2008 4:38 PM

slowking? sounds good. may i have a set for it?

Valarauca May 11th, 2008 4:44 PM

Ok I reworked typhlosion to get this

Typhlosion @ left overs
-flamethrower
-eruption
-roar
-focus blast

Crystal Shaymin May 11th, 2008 4:59 PM

i think i have a set for this trick room sweeper:

[email protected]
modest nature(+sp. attack -attack)
ev's: 212 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA
~trick room
~ice beam
~surf
~nasty plot

alright, leftovers for healing, maybe slack off over trick room...
didn't realize slowking had such low speed, so i switched to modest nature

Lalapizzame May 11th, 2008 5:29 PM

I'm using Smogon's Calm Mind Jirachi on Smogon and I want to ask.Should I use Thunderbolt or HP Fighting on Jirachi?

Archer May 11th, 2008 6:04 PM

I should mention that Thunder over Thunderbolt will get a 60% Paralysis rate.

Kirioroshi May 12th, 2008 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonshinylegends (Post 3575905)
i think i have a set for this trick room sweeper:

[email protected]
modest nature(+sp. attack -attack)
ev's: 212 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA
~trick room
~ice beam
~surf
~nasty plot

alright, leftovers for healing, maybe slack off over trick room...
didn't realize slowking had such low speed, so i switched to modest nature

quite would be better than modest. but modest could work.

umbros May 12th, 2008 8:50 AM

Hey, can anybody give me a set for a Timid Zapdos?

Dark Azelf May 12th, 2008 9:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3576630)
Hey, can anybody give me a set for a Timid Zapdos?

[email protected] Orb / Wise Glasses / Leftovers
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Timid Nature
- Metal Sound
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Grass
- Roost

Crystal Shaymin May 12th, 2008 1:52 PM

@ kirio, i know quiet is better, but slowking has low spede already, so i don't think i need to drop it further ^_^

sims796 May 12th, 2008 6:37 PM

I'm not paying attention to the whole convo, shinylegends, but if there is a useless stat, feel free to drop it. Speed is one of the most univeral stats there is. If it is too slow (Base 45 or below) it isn't ever gonna outrun anything important. Thusfor, it is in everyone's best intrest--especially Slowbro/King--if you drop the speed.

Aquilae May 12th, 2008 10:19 PM

Slowking @ Leftovers
Quiet, 212 HP/44 Def/252 SpA (0 Speed IV)
Surf
Ice Beam / HP Electric / Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Slack Off

Slowking is not a good TR setupper, and should be used for sweeping. 0 speed IV ensures you go first in Trick Room no matter what, you may want to run 7 to beat Bronzong (0 speed IV -nature).

Sexycheese May 12th, 2008 11:32 PM

Hi could someone rate this set please

Rayquaza
Jolly nature
item: should i use persim berry for confusion or leftovers.......
Dragon dance
Outrage
Overheat
Earthquake

thanks

ABYAY May 13th, 2008 7:24 AM

I don't see anything wrong with that set; Use Life Orb for maximum damage dealt, of if you fear that an ice move will drop you, use Yache berry. If you have being burned or paralyzed during setup, Lum Berry will work too. Otherwise, you're good to go. If you want even more damage, try out Adamant and go 252atk/252spd/6sp.def (not 6 HP, seeing as that'll give you an even number divisible by 4, pending if you have perfect HP IVs.). Otherwise go Jolly with 252atk/224spd/32HP.


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