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For a rain dance team
this would be the leader Swapert @ mystic water adamant Ev: 252 spa/128sp/128hp -Rain dance -hydrocannon -earthquake -Brick break Note: First I know what you are going to say hydrocannon wtf, well i really think it is worth it (150*1.5*1.1*1.5=371 base power) which is worth two turns in my book, or three if you count power up... Earthquake stops electric.. brick break kills blissey |
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People actually think wtf to hydro cannon because as a two-turn move it only has a base power of 75 per turn (Without taking boosts into account). Surf is so much better, and doesnt give them a chance to set up on you. Mystic water also sucks, a 1.1 boost to a single move? It barely does anything, pcik a more beneficial item. You also have maxed SpAtt EVs for a single attack, you're seriously overdosing on a really crappy move. Brick break is also doing nothing to help you, EQ covers most of the same stuff. But that aside, swampert is not a very good rain-dance setter upper. There are far better pokes at doing this job, for example bronzong. Swampert is almost always used as mixpert: [email protected] Relaxed 240HP/212Def/56SpAtt EQ Surf Roar/Stealth Rock Ice beam |
what if he wasn't the starter (still raindance team)
Sawpert @ wiki berry modest Ev: 252spa/252sp/4hp -hydrocannon (its not going away) -icebeam -earthquake -surf Note: Like hydrocannon, also his speed stat is very useful; when battling after he gets one ko and second poke is set out he can recharge and attack in same turn.. |
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As far as I'm aware, you can't do anything after you've used the move in the next turn, not even switch out. I can't be sure; I never use Hyper Beam-moves because, as every competitive battler knows, they're bad moves. |
works in non-online battles ok as long as i outclass in speed
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Yeah but non-online battles are against retarded AI which doesn't have any concept of strategy of EV training. Over wifi swampert will outspeed nothing, or at least nothing worth outspeeding. Hydro cannon and speed EVs need to go away very quickly, neither benefit you and we cannot help you until you realise that and get rid of them.
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swapert @ damp rock (i forgot name) relaxed Ev: 252spa/252hp/4spd -surf -hydropump -icebeam -earthquake better? |
You don't need two attacks of the same type on a single poke. It reduces it's coverage dramatically.
The set I suggested does what you're trying to do but better. Many people swear by that mixpert. I recomend using it, although you can put hydro pump over surf if you insist on a high strength move. |
I need some assistance. I got a good Ivd, shiny adamant Bagon that I wanted to Ev train. So, like the sap I am, I went on Serebii and got this moveset:
[email protected] 252 atk, 252 spd, 4 hp Adamant nature Dragon claw Earthquake Flamethrower Stone edge So, I followed these guidlines slavishly and now how a pretty awesome looking salamence. What I want to know is, did I waste my time? Is this a bad moveset and Ivs? Is Serebii really that awful when suggesting movesets? |
No thats a pretty standard looking CBmence ^.^
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Serebii = Failure at competetive. Smogon is where the good movesets are. But bleh, the movesets are pretty much the same. So yeah, that is a pretty good Salamence right there.
But in the future, don't waste your time at Serebii. XD It suggested Iron Tail on Flareon. |
alright, so i have a question. im thinking of usinga regigigas for a trick room team, only to realize that even though his slow starts speed decrease is nulled, he still loses attack. any way to avoid this, such as making him hold leichi berry or should i jsut keep leftovers on there?
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Thats an interesting idea, actually. You would be fast for five turns and after that, you would get the speed boost form slow start. Leave lefties there. As regigigas can't learn TR, you will need to switch in after a boost, so he would be slower for one turn after TR and before Speed Boost.
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(HYDRO CANNON MISSES SURF IS BETTER) RECOMMENDED MOVES: SURF MIRROR COAT EARTHQUAKE ICE BEAM (ITEM SHOULD BE LUM BERRY) |
A) Turn off your caps fgs, your posts are so annoying to read!
B) Mirror Coat sucks beyond sucking C) Deano Dance and I have already helped him. What was the point in coming in and suggesting a pretty terrible move? |
what can i say? i already killed a lot of pokemon with does moves, its my opinion!
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Mirror Coat can work as a surprise, but Swampert would have to run something like Sassy 252 HP/252 SpD, and you won't be switching Pert in on special attacks since GK is very common.
Hydrocannon is 150 BP, 225 with STAB. Now Hydrocannon takes two turns to use, which equals to 112.5 BP per Hydrocannon. Surf, has 95 BP, 142.5 BP with STAB, which makes it superior. Hydro Pump has 120 BP, 180 with STAB. Both water moves have a higher BP overall, and I would like to mention that the charging turn leaves you completely vulnerable to enemy assaults, so a random pokemon would just come in and Grass Knot Swampert to death. Leftovers > Lum, because Swampert will be taking a lot/dealing very little from common sleepers, and thus would not be an effective choice. Same with Will-O-Wisp. I would like to post the standard Mixpert set: Swampert @ Leftovers Relaxed, 240 HP/216 Def/52 SpA Hydro Pump/Surf Earthquake Ice Beam Stealth Rock/Roar/Protect I prefer Hydro Pump as it stops Skarm and Weezing. Swampert sucks as a Rain Dance setupper, because stuff that come in to abuse Rain Dance would easily KO Swampert, and it can't sweep with Rain Dance up, neither can it create opportunities for Rain Dance abusers to come in. I would suggest BP Vaporeon or Kingdra. |
alright, i will go with lefties. anyways, if i switch regigigas out, will his ability kick in when he is on the field again?
(after the slow start turns are up, and then i switch later, will the ability come back when i switch him in again? |
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Looking for a good moveset for gyrados and mantyke and also walrien!
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212 HP / 16 ATT / 180 DEF / 100 SPEED Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Taunt - Dragon Dance - Earthquake / Stone Edge / Ice Fang OR [email protected] Band 74 HP / 252 ATT / 184 SPEED Adamant Nature - Ice Fang - Waterfall - Earthquake - Stone Edge [email protected] 252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT Calm nature - Toxic - Surf - Hidden power Flying / Hidden Power Electric - Ice Beam OR [email protected] 252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT Calm nature - Rest - Sleep Talk - Toxic - Surf [email protected] Relaxed Nature 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF Trait : Ice Body ~ Protect ~ Substitute ~ Toxic / Earthquake / Roar ~ Surf / Blizzard Use walrein in conjunction with Abomasnow to stall effectively with it. |
Alright!! I knew my training wasn't futile! Thanks guys.
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Ok, I need a strong physical sweeper that also has a decent fighting resist. CB/DDMence, maybe?
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[email protected] 212 HP/16 Attack/180 Defense/100 Speed Dragon Dance Waterfall Earthquake/Ice Fang/Stone Edge Taunt Standard Bulkydos set. |
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could I have a moveset for a froslass please? Thank you! |
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[email protected] / Life Orb 224 HP / 12 Atk / 196 Def / 76 Speed Jolly Nature - Roost - Dragon Dance - Dragon Claw - Earthquake 280 speed, thus outspeeding Lucario and CB Hera, you are faster so can Roost to cancel out your flying type so Stone Edge wont be a problem. It wont OHKO anyways, even with Stealth Rock in play =) Scarf Cross Stone Edge does (38.76% - 45.99%) after intimidate, as its assumed your switching in. You will outspeed scarf hera after after a dragon dance and can therefore Roost. Now the question lies which item ? leftovers lets you be more defensive whilst Life Orb lets you ohko heracross after a DD and Lucario straight up. So ill leave this up to you. You get walled by Zong and Skarm, but its a small price to pay for being able to beat such threats. Magnezone and Heatran work well in conjunction with this, so you could save a spot on your team for one =) Quote:
The best set ive ever used on Frosslass is this [email protected] 6 HP / 252 Sp.A / 252 Speed Timid Nature - Spikes - Thunderwave - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt You can also consider Shadow Ball or Destiny Bond >> Spikes or T-Wave. |
I'm on the PC Shoddy server and I feel like using a Honchkrow. Any suggestions?
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[email protected] Band / Choice Scarf 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Adamant Nature - Steel Wing - Drill Peck - Night Slash - Pursuit / Sucker Punch Stupid heatran, walls you, but hey, at least you can do something to T-Tar... Sucker Punch is best left for Band, as that can be used to compensate its mediocre speed. I havent tried these next two sets, but ive heard they're ok. [email protected] Specs Timid / Modest Nature 252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP ~ Dark Pulse ~ Psychic ~ Hidden Power Fighting ~ Icy Wind [email protected] Orb / Leftovers Timid / Modest Nature 252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP ~ Dark Pulse ~ Psychic / Thunderwave ~ Hidden Power Fighting ~ Nasty Plot Psychic is for Heracross on this set, whilst t-wave is cool allowing you to sweep. You can use a + speed nature on Band and the two special sets, if you want to outspeed Jolly T-Tar. |
ta for the moveset. shame though cuz to get spikes I need to breed snorunt with fortress and I dont have emerald and My wi-fi is mest up so i can`t trade for one >.<
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Need a sweeping set for Lucario (no scarf plz, Life Orb)
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252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP Adamant/Jolly Swords Dance Extremespeed/Bullet Punch Close Combat Crunch |
Working on a good Cradily.
He has EV's.. 252 def/s.def, 4 hp. Gastro Acid Stealth Rock Recover Mirror Coat I'm thinking that Mirror Coat and Stealth Rock is going to have to go. Any suggestions? |
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EDIT:*bangs himself against steel wall*Thanks for telling me Gofre. |
Ah, yes. Forgot completely about Taunt. Alright, thanks.
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That is not a good cradilly. Those EVs are bad, you have no nature, and that is a bad moveset to boot. A good cradilly is this:
[email protected] Careful 252HP/180Def/76SpDef Recover RockSlide Toxic Earthquake Standard Cradily methinks. Cradily is a sucky poke outside of sandstorm, so only use it in said weather. Mirror Coat is too situational, and being a generally weak poke it needs toxic. EDIT: Lapiz, Cradily cant learn stone edge |
Thanks for the Lucario set =]
Could I have a set for the following: Abomasnow (lead), Mamoswine, Weavile, Frosslass. |
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Jolly Nature 20 HP / 252 ATT / 236 SPEED - Ice Fang - ice Shard - Stone Edge - Earthquake Outspeeds Lucario. [email protected] 252 SPEED / 252 SP.ATT / 6 HP Timid Nature - Spikes - Thunderwave - ice beam - Thunderbolt Most useful set for it ive ever used tbh. You can use Destiny Bond or Shadow Ball over one of the first 2 moves if you wish. [email protected] 252 HP / 20 Sp.A / 160 Sp.D / 76 Speed Sassy Nature - Wood Hammer - Blizzard - leech Seed - Protect This is cool as a lead, Sassy lets you get the weather on your side vs T-Tar. Protect allows you to scout. [email protected] Band 42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED Jolly Nature - Pursuit - Night Slash - Ice Punch / Ice Shard - Brick break OR [email protected] orb 42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED Jolly Nature - Swords Dance - Night Slash - Ice Punch / Ice Shard - Brick break |
Thanks, would Grasswhistle > Protect work?
Would also like a good Lapras set, DDancing. |
How's this Bronzong EV Spread?
Bronzong (Sassy) 244 HP - Max Lefties Recovery 56 Atk - 2HKOs Max Spd Tyranitar 156 Def - Makes Scarfchomps Outrage a 3HKO 52 SDef - Remaining EVs |
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[email protected] 60 HP /252 Atk / 196 Speed Adamant Nature Trait : Water Absorb ~ Dragon Dance ~ Waterfall ~ Return ~ Substitute / Thunderbolt Is what i use. |
With 2 HP less than max, it think it's better in the long run to go for max lefties recovery. Especially when Bronzong has no reliable healing move. To save fiddling with ivs, I'm going to run max hp, though.
As for the set, intend to run Gyro Ball/Earthquake/Stealth Rock/Reflect or Light Screen. How's that? This is also for the BT as my team on there has a Weavile weak. It's still to be used on WiFi, though. |
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Weaviles are slow in the BT btw.... |
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I gonna run this Spread. Some of my calcs were wrong the first time. [email protected] Levitate | Sassy < 252 HP, 40 Atk, 120 Def, 96 SDef > ~ Gyro Ball ~ Hypnosis ~ Earthquake ~ Light Screen/Stealth Rock (SR is for after I beat the BT and start using it on Wifi. It's next to useless in the BT.) Still, the first Weavile is Brave and 252HP/Atk, but the remaining are Jolly252. This is where Bronzong comes in. |
Hi does anyone have a moveset for articuno? This is it at the moment
Lonley nature: Life orb Roar: use after scarmourys spikes roost ice beam toxic ta but i know this makes me sound like a noob but where is this shoddy server I keep hearing about? I want a look at it. |
Articuno @ Leftovers
Nature: Calm Effort Points: 252 HP / 96 Def / 64 Sp Atk / 96 Sp Def Ice Beam Roost Roar Toxic The standard Articuno set useful for taking hits while roaring the opponent around to give them residual damage from Stealth Rock and Spikes which you are wanting to do. Shoddy is a Pokemon Battle Simulator which is located at www.shoddybattle.com You make your team and battle people. It is useful for trying out teams and movesets. |
Hey, can somebody help me out with a Crobat set?
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Crobat @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly Effort Points: 160 HP // 132 Atk // 216 Spe Hypnosis Aerial Ace Taunt U-Turn // Roost My favorite Crobat set and a great lead. With a great speed stat, it enables a fast sleep and is able to help start a match. I would recommend U-Turn to help it scout better and to swap to a more reliable counter. |
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Perhaps i should try to trade for a calm articuno... |
Spiritomb
No problems Lyulf!
Can anyone help me with a mixed wall Spiritomb set? |
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Bold/Impish 252HP/96Def/160SpDef Will-O-Wisp Taunt Dark Pulse/Sucker Punch Pain Split That's the set i use. Used in a similar manner to dusknoir. Move and nature choice depend on whether you want it to hit physically or special. |
Would it be wise to run Pursuit somewhere here to deal some additional damage to Pokemon trying to flee? That would also help cover my newb predictions.
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You could put it in over the 2nd or 3rd slot, the other two are essential though.
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Ok thanks for that Gofre.
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Can someone give me a moveset for Gardevior? thanks in advance.
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[email protected] 252 HP / 48 Sp.A / 176 Sp.D / 32 Speed Modest Nature Trait : Trace - Will-o-wisp - Wish - Psychic - Focus Blast / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball Thunderbolt covers Gyarados and Skarmory; Focus Blast is a more instant solution for taking care of Weavile and Tyranitar, and it dents Heatran pretty badly; Shadow Ball helps against Azelf and other Psychics. So ill leave the last slot for your decision. Trace lets you wall flash fire, Volt absorb or Motor drive pokemon such as Heatran and electivire as none of them can 2hko you and allows you to switch into stuff much easier. Will-o-wisp is a must on this as it often draws Pursuiters and physical attackers out so burn them on the switch in. Wish to keep you healthy and support the team =) |
Hey i was wondering if somone could give me a moveset for a menectric
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Calm nature @ letovers Calm mind thunderbolt psychic wil-o-wisp Hope it helps |
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Manectric-Petaya Berry/Life Orb-Timid Thunderbolt Flamethrower Hp-Grass/Ice Substitute/ Other random Move I like subbing down to Petaya and then sweeping. Or you could just go life orb. |
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Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf Timid | Trace < 56 HP, 252 SAtk, 200 Spd > ~ Psychic ~ Shadow Ball ~ Focus Blast ~ Thunderbolt Hits 270/405, which outspeeds Adamant CS Heracross. It's really a novelty set, though. |
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By the way does anyone have a set for Clefable? (Strange choice I know but no softboiled plz as I cant get the tm!) |
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252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF Calm Nature Trait : magic Guard - Wish - Protect - ice Beam / Seismic Toss - Thunderwave The most successful clefable ive ever used, "Blissey with weight loss". You could consider Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Reflect if you already have T-Wave support. Softboiled isnt a tm btw, its a tutor move from FR/LG and emerald. |
Could Someone set me up a Vaporeon WishPass Set?
-Wish -Baton Pass |
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[email protected] Surf Ice Beam/HP Electric Ice Beam/HP Electric Wish HP Electric makes it able to hit Gyarados or counter it while Surf and Ice Beam is quite common.Wish since you're using a Wish passing set. |
Shouldn't that Vaporeon have toxic?
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could i get a set for a modest clefable?
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hey heres 5 pokemon and its not really a team since its 5 pokemon, but would these pokemon work well? are the movesets good? the evs?? im just wondering. i tried making a thread tons of times but the mods never approve me :(
Ninjask @ Focus Sash Impish Speed Boost EVs : HP 212 / DEF 128 / SP.DEF 170 Baton Pass Protect Substitute Swords Dance ya i know. ok no evs in speed. FINE he has 31 IVS in speed and he has Speed Boost. cmon he doesnt need the EVS Im not so sure bout the moveset but essentially hell protect, get speed, then if i want or need protect or sub for more speed. if i do sub, and it lasts, do some sword dances, and maybe do protect again and BP/ Scizor @ Leftovers Impish Technician EVs : HP 252 / SP.DEF 252 / DEF 6 Baton Pass Swords Dance Iron Defense Hidden Power Grass Well hell be using the speed and attack ninjask uses to stay alive and attack first, so he can iron defense for like 2-3 turns, max 4 if it doesnt max out. Swords dance i can use IF ninjask hasnt used it to its fullest potential, and had to baton pass due to almost dying Espeon @ ??? Calm Synchronize EVs : HP 196 / SPEED 192 / SP.DEF 122 Baton Pass Calm Mind Substitute Psychic Espeon is like.. sorta a safety. Just to add some Sp.Def and while its at it, Sp.Atk, so its all adding up, ATK, DEF, SPEED, SP.ATK, SP.DEF and there.. a lot of great stats to baton pass to either my metagross, or my TTAR. and it will do both of them well!! either one i can basically sweep with now! Metagross @ Shell Bell Adamant Clear Body EVs : HP 140 / ATK 252 / DEF 28 / SPEED 88 Meteor Mash Earthquake ??? ive heard to put agility.. but i dunno.. like maybe i should incase ninjask dies. Explosion Physical Sweeper. Nuff said. Tyranitar @ ??? Quiet Sand Stream EVs : HP 252 / SPEED 68 / SP.ATK 188 Focus Punch Crunch Thunderbolt Substitute (Not really sure bout this one..) Yea.. hes a special ttar.. HES UNIQUE!! |
Ninjask wants an attacking move to do as a last resort or if its Taunted. It can do some stuff to Psychics. X-Scissor over Protect. Focus Sash and Substitute are terrible together, since one substitute makes Focus Sash useless.
From what I see, you're extremely Infernape-weak. |
what would make this moveset good
what i really want is a baton passer to pass speed and attack (and if possible defense), and my metagross the rest who cares and i dont know what to put in my team its so confusing : ( |
Ninjask @ Leftovers
Trait: Adamant Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP - X-Scissor - Substitute - Swords Dance - Baton Pass |
what would be good pokemon to use with ninjask and metagross?
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One of the most effective 3rd Gen SkarmBliss counters is unique now? What's next someone saying that Aromatherapy Blissey is unique |
Yeah, it's just standard Boah.
I want the set for Bulky DDmence as well. I've heard great things about it, so fire away =D |
Hey i was wondering if anyone could give me a good team for pokemon pearl that is easy to get? thanks if you do
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i ment for battleing my friends with
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Well you have to give us something to work with.
Try giving us some Pokemon you definitely want in the team and we can build from there. |
well im not really sure what i want in my team apart from a skarmory and maybe a manectrec
oh yea and i need it for a double battle |
Just abuse Trick Room:
Bronzong @ Leftovers Sassy, 252 HP/252 Attack/6 Def Trick Room Hypnosis Gyro Ball Explosion & Togekiss @ Leftovers Sassy, 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef Follow Me Encore Air Slash Protect INCLUDE Machamp @ Expert Belt Brave, 252 Attack, 252 HP, 4 Def NO GUARD DYNAMICPUNCH filler filler filler Dynamicpunch has a 50% chance of hitting through Protect. |
Hey I finally got pokemon pearl and can someone tell me a good moveset for a Chimchar which is a Docile.
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Oh and sorry but I haven't accepted your FR. I only really accept them off people I talk to around the forum. |
Does substitute exist in 3rd gen games or is it a 4th gen move?
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Nope, it was introduced in 2nd gen. However it wasnt a tm until DP, click here to see who learnt it and when.
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Ah right, I've always thought of it as a rather recent move. You learn something everyday eh? :)
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It was an emerald tutor move in 3rd gen though, so it was pretty much an HM if you could get battle points quickly.
Also, repeating my request of bulky DDmence. |
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[email protected] / Life Orb 224 HP / 12 Atk / 196 Def / 76 Speed Jolly Nature - Roost - Dragon Dance - Dragon Claw - Earthquake 280 speed, thus outspeeding Lucario and CB Hera, you are faster so can Roost to cancel out your flying type so Stone Edge wont be a problem from either CB Cross or Lucario, it wont OHKO anyways if you do switch in on it, even with Stealth Rock in play =) Scarf Cross Stone Edge does (38.76% - 45.99%) after intimidate, as its assumed your switching in. You will outspeed scarf hera after after a dragon dance and can therefore Roost. Now the question lies which item ? leftovers lets you be more defensive whilst Life Orb lets you ohko heracross after a DD and Lucario straight up. So ill leave this up to you. You get walled by Zong and Skarm, but its a small price to pay for being able to beat such threats. Magnezone and Heatran work well in conjunction with this, so you could save a spot on your team for one =) |
k im gonna ask again. can anyone Please make me a double battle team that has a manactrec and a skarmory in it please?
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two pokes is alot of freedom (as in free) |
Yeah, if you want them to make you a team, you need to be more specific.
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well i need a team of six for starters that i can use in doubble battles against my friends
and all i know is i want a 2 Special Sweeper(Manectrec,?), A Physical Sweeper(?),Physical Wall(Skarmory), Special Wall And a Tank |
You'll want to add a spinner to that list. Double battles are rife with stealth rock because everyone wants to avoid moves like EQ with flying types. Donphan makes a good spinner since it can use STABed EQ itself.
Oh and sorry but I rejected your FR. I only add people that I'm familiar with and talk to. |
lol thats ok about the friend thing but do you have aim or an msn??
so i can have a chat with you |
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ok do you have any ideas of what 6 i should have in my teem?
Hey can anyone give me a good moveset for a special sweeper manectrec and a spiker skarmory |
Bringing up a topic from a ittle earlier, substitute was a RBY TM. It was originally TM50, and you could buy it in the game corner. It wasn't nearly as good back in the day, and you could still be paralyzed or put to sleep through it.
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Can anyone suggest a good moveset for a timid Heatran? Maybe not the best nature but I think it's workable.
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42 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED Timid Nature - Metal Sound / Taunt - Hidden power Grass / Hidden power Ice / Taunt - Fire Blast - Earth Power OR [email protected] Specs 42 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED Timid Nature - Explosion - Dragon Pulse - Fire Blast - Earth Power |
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