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Azonic May 27th, 2008 1:33 PM

I'll take the others, then. I'll be honest, Victreebel is a terrible Pokemon. Low Defenses, HP, combined with bad Speed isn't the best combination.

Victreebel @ Heat Rock / Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Evs: 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Sunny Day
- Solarbeam
- Hidden Power [FIRE]
- Sleep Powder / Sludge Bomb

I know how much Sunnybeaming sucks, but it's the only thing Victreebel can do, so stfu. :<

Pidgeot @ Choice Band
Trait: Keen Eye
Nature: Jolly
Evs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Brave Bird
- U-Turn
- Pursuit
- Return

PKMN Trainer Green May 27th, 2008 1:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3617234)
EQ is garbage on any fighting pokemon. CB Machamp want GUTS and Close Combat, as its slow, its just easily statused when you start flinging D-Punches around.

Use Payback >>EQ, it 2hko's Cresselia @Choice Band =)

128 speed outspeeds standard Skarm btw, so you dont get owned by Brave Bird.

Alright. Thanks for the help.

UGAtyler07 May 27th, 2008 2:06 PM

Hey every one, i need a little help on my Scizor that im thinking of using. Here's what ive been thinking so far.
ScizorAdamant @Choice Band
Technician
EVs:4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Brick Break
Pursuit
Iron Head
Now heres where i have the main problem: I am really undecided on U-turn and X-scissor. I like X-scissor's higher attack, but if Scizzor gets in a pinch, U-turn is useful. Thanks for the help!!

Matt-O May 27th, 2008 4:03 PM

Can anyone suggest a good moveset for a special walling Probopass?

Azonic May 27th, 2008 4:13 PM

I'd really only use Probopass in the Sandstorm.

Probopass @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
Nature: Modest
Evs: 252 HP / 172 Sp.Atk / 84 Sp.Def
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt / Flash Cannon
- Explosion / Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave / Taunt / Protect
- Explosion / Stealth Rock / Thunder Wave / Taunt / Protect

Matt-O May 27th, 2008 4:14 PM

As it so happens, he will be in a sandstorm most of the time.

Mouse The Great May 28th, 2008 8:52 PM

Empoleon @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest/Calm Nature
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Stealth Rock/Roar

This is good for a special wall Empoleon right? and can i get a moveset for a mixape?

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouse The Great (Post 3621914)
Empoleon @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest/Calm Nature
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot
Stealth Rock/Roar

This is good for a special wall Empoleon right? and can i get a moveset for a mixape?

seems more like a special sweeper to me but it looks ok. wouldnt use that set in competative batteling though (I actualy ditched my empolion a while ago cuz its....unspectacular and I prefer starmie). this is what I had....

Empoleon @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
-Surf
-Ice Beam/Grass Knot
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

your sets ok though their are better alternatives.

sorry anyway i don`t think mixape works very well but hows this?

Infernape @Life Orb
EVs: 24 Atk / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
Naive Nature
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Nasty Plot
-Grass Knot

i think infernape is phisical sweeper only and this is much better...

Infernape @Life Orb/Expert Belt
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spd
Jolly Nature
-Close Combat
-Flare Blitz
-Stone Edge/Thunderpunch
-Swords Dance

someone rate these for me please as I want to know what other people think of them!

El Gofre May 29th, 2008 1:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3622258)

sorry anyway i don`t think mixape works very well but hows this?

Infernape @Life Orb
EVs: 24 Atk / 252 SAtk / 232 Spd
Naive Nature
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Nasty Plot
-Grass Knot

i think infernape is phisical sweeper only and this is much better...

Infernape @Life Orb/Expert Belt
EVs: 24 HP / 252 Atk / 232 Spd
Jolly Nature
-Close Combat
-Flare Blitz
-Stone Edge/Thunderpunch
-Swords Dance

someone rate these for me please as I want to know what other people think of them!

There are two kinds of Mixape, NP and all-out. Your mixape is the standard NP Mixape, the most widely used set.

Can I ask if it is mere coincidence that both of your sets match smogon's exactly? except for the HP EVs you've matched them completely. Wouldnt be trying plageurise now would you?

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 2:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3622285)
There are two kinds of Mixape, NP and all-out. Your mixape is the standard NP Mixape, the most widely used set.

Can I ask if it is mere coincidence that both of your sets match smogon's exactly? except for the HP EVs you've matched them completely. Wouldnt be trying plageurise now would you?

NO! They are my sugestions except mixape (my freinds with me at the moment and he suggested that cuz I think it sucks big time!)

can you give me the link to that somgon site please as I have heard of it but neva looked at it (i use seribbi net, simple to use)

simply just to prove a poinjt if i was using smogons why did i suggest such dreadful movsets earlier on for say...blissey (have a check if you don`t belive me) so if i was just copying why would i suggested something so dreadful it was a hack and i didnt even know!

Aquilae May 29th, 2008 4:43 AM

Both sets are standard so its hard not to copy-paste unless you're recommending gimmicks or crap movesets >.>

Anyway don't recommend unless you know exactly what you are recommending. The set you recommended was standard Mixape, which works extremely well as a wall-breaker but generally pales in comparison with other sweepers.
Mixape actually can do serious damage to its main counters - Starmie and Vaporeon - Cresselia and Tentacruel stop it though. Without HP Ice Dragon/Flying types stop it.

SDLuke/SDKabutops >> SDInfernape, both have priority moves and Infernape can't come in on anything.

Oh, and you should try to find that "somgon site" by yourself, it isn't really hard to find and is a great resource for movesets.

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3622563)
Both sets are standard so its hard not to copy-paste unless you're recommending gimmicks or crap movesets >.>

Anyway don't recommend unless you know exactly what you are recommending. The set you recommended was standard Mixape, which works extremely well as a wall-breaker but generally pales in comparison with other sweepers.
Mixape actually can do serious damage to its main counters - Starmie and Vaporeon - Cresselia and Tentacruel stop it though. Without HP Ice Dragon/Flying types stop it.

SDLuke/SDKabutops >> SDInfernape, both have priority moves and Infernape can't come in on anything.

Oh, and you should try to find that "somgon site" by yourself, it isn't really hard to find and is a great resource for movesets.

Ok I was recomending what my freind calls mixape as I never use fire types as I simply dislike them (not to mention they are so vunerable!). I NEVER copy and paste battle stratagies as it is pointless.

By the way for a good laugh rate my cousins luvdisk ha ha!

Adamant nature
no idea what it,s EV`s are sorry!
Life orb
-Flail
-Surf
-Sweet kiss
-Brine

She actually bothered to raise it to lv 100 :shocked: (It is apparently her best so scince when was luvdisk better than mewtwo?)
Downed it one hit from Venomoth hahahahaha!

El Gofre May 29th, 2008 5:12 AM

You should read smogon's page on luvdisk, it's hilarious
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/luvdisc

I laugh out loud every time i read it :)

Aquilae May 29th, 2008 5:13 AM

Sorry, but that is a very bad moveset. Luvdisc does not have the offenses to carry out a Life Orb sweep.

Luvdisc @ Focus Sash/Leftovers/Damp Rock
Timid, 252 Speed, 252 SpA, 4 HP
Swift Swim

Rain Dance
Toxic/Sweet Kiss
Charm/Substitute/Attract/Safeguard
Protect

Should be the only set it should run. Luvdisc gets Swift Swim, abusing Rain on a Toxistalling set. The only use for it should be to setup Rain Dance, the rest of the moves are just for annoyance. I would use Sweet Kiss > Toxic since it can disable the pokemon in question 50% of the time buying you useful time to Substitute or something.

Attract because I couldn't think of anything. Sadeguard for ppassing or something.

Obviously no Sash with Substitute.

Luvdisc suffers from moveslot syndrome, essentially it has a broad range of annoying options that would work well in tandem, but you would have to dedicate one slot to Rain Dance and one to Protect leaving you with only two slots for status moves - Toxic/Sweet Kiss/Attract.

Personally Sweet Kiss + Attract should be the way to go, if you're feeling suicidal you could run an extra status move over Protect.

Notice Qwilfish clearly outclasses it as a pure Rain Dance setupper - Qwilfish gets Taunt, Thunder Wave and Explosion to cripple switchins. Luvdisc is stuck with the inferior Attract and Sweet Kiss.

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 5:17 AM

Oh my god that is histerical! true bet funny I gotta e-mail her that link!
thanks for the smogon link too! I mean come on! why use lovedisk?
hey thats an idea! lets start a poll: which is worse magikarp, feebas or luvdisk!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3622629)
Sorry, but that is a very bad moveset. Luvdisc does not have the offenses to carry out a Life Orb sweep.

Luvdisc @ Focus Sash/Leftovers/Damp Rock
Timid, 252 Speed, 252 SpA, 4 HP
Swift Swim

Rain Dance
Toxic/Sweet Kiss
Charm/Substitute/Attract/Safeguard
Protect

Should be the only set it should run. Luvdisc gets Swift Swim, abusing Rain on a Toxistalling set. The only use for it should be to setup Rain Dance, the rest of the moves are just for annoyance. I would use Sweet Kiss > Toxic since it can disable the pokemon in question 50% of the time buying you useful time to Substitute or something.

Attract because I couldn't think of anything. Sadeguard for ppassing or something.

Obviously no Sash with Substitute.

Luvdisc suffers from moveslot syndrome, essentially it has a broad range of annoying options that would work well in tandem, but you would have to dedicate one slot to Rain Dance and one to Protect leaving you with only two slots for status moves - Toxic/Sweet Kiss/Attract.

Personally Sweet Kiss + Attract should be the way to go, if you're feeling suicidal you could run an extra status move over Protect.

Notice Qwilfish clearly outclasses it as a pure Rain Dance setupper - Qwilfish gets Taunt, Thunder Wave and Explosion to cripple switchins. Luvdisc is stuck with the inferior Attract and Sweet Kiss.

OMG! you actually made a serious team for luvdisk?!?!?!?!?
Quite good though and entirely useable as long as your oppoment is only using Magikarp!

El Gofre May 29th, 2008 5:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3622629)
Sorry, but that is a very bad moveset. Luvdisc does not have the offenses to carry out a Life Orb sweep.

There's no such thing as a good luvdisc dude, it doesnt have the stats to do anything. As smogon say, it can boost itself in the only stat that doesnt need boosting :P

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 5:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3622646)
There's no such thing as a good luvdisc dude, it doesnt have the stats to do anything. As smogon say, it can boost itself in the only stat that doesnt need boosting :P

Dear god! you should hear the abuse I just got for showing her that link!
I would put it on the thread but I am afraid of getting banned!

sims796 May 29th, 2008 5:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3622629)
Sorry, but that is a very bad moveset. Luvdisc does not have the offenses to carry out a Life Orb sweep.

Luvdisc @ Focus Sash/Leftovers/Damp Rock
Timid, 252 Speed, 252 SpA, 4 HP
Swift Swim

Rain Dance
Toxic/Sweet Kiss
Charm/Substitute/Attract/Safeguard
Protect

Should be the only set it should run. Luvdisc gets Swift Swim, abusing Rain on a Toxistalling set. The only use for it should be to setup Rain Dance, the rest of the moves are just for annoyance. I would use Sweet Kiss > Toxic since it can disable the pokemon in question 50% of the time buying you useful time to Substitute or something.

Attract because I couldn't think of anything. Sadeguard for ppassing or something.

Obviously no Sash with Substitute.

Luvdisc suffers from moveslot syndrome, essentially it has a broad range of annoying options that would work well in tandem, but you would have to dedicate one slot to Rain Dance and one to Protect leaving you with only two slots for status moves - Toxic/Sweet Kiss/Attract.

Personally Sweet Kiss + Attract should be the way to go, if you're feeling suicidal you could run an extra status move over Protect.

Notice Qwilfish clearly outclasses it as a pure Rain Dance setupper - Qwilfish gets Taunt, Thunder Wave and Explosion to cripple switchins. Luvdisc is stuck with the inferior Attract and Sweet Kiss.

As much as I mildly enjoy her company, even I say that set is bad. Of course, that's the best it can do...

I mean, the second it subs, it gets broken. It can't survive to Rain Dance, and with Sash, it won't survive the next hit. Even in NU, it sucks. Attract is an atrocious move, as is Sweet Kiss. It's only role is an annoyer, and fails hard at that. Goes right under
Ditto as a few of the worst pokes. Ever.

But, that's all it can do. A shame. And with Underground, it isn't even as useful for finding Heart Scales anymore, it being harder to find in D/P.


Most importantly, she wasn't offering a set, he was making fun of her friend's set. Spammish, but very funny.

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 5:24 AM

Excuse me sims but I am NOT a she!

El Gofre May 29th, 2008 5:24 AM

Luvdisc- The comedy pokemon ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3622654)
Dear god! you should hear the abuse I just got for showing her that link!
I would put it on the thread but I am afraid of getting banned!

PM me it, it sounds like a laugh :P

sims796 May 29th, 2008 5:27 AM

Oh, sorry, I just saw your Avatar. My bad. HE.

Aquilae May 29th, 2008 5:34 AM

I was just recommending my opinion on what a viable Luvdisc moveset is, Smogon's analysis is not really serious considering they actually put attacks on luvdisc =O

Anyways as I said the most Luvdisc can do to get by is annoy and setup Rain Dance and Safeguard, abusing Swift Swim and confusion. Focus Sash was there because Luvdisc did not have the defenses to take a hit and would allow an almost guaranteed Rain Dance.

I strongly believe Luvdisc has the movepool to annoy if the said player is lucky. In that case Attract + Confusion is only a 25% chance of the pokemon moving, 50% chance that the Confusion will work first turn.

In any case I outlined the superiority of Qwilfish to Luvdisc as it gets Twave when Attract and sweet kiss can be automatically nulled by switching out. Taunt stops a lot of setuppers and statusers.

sims796 May 29th, 2008 5:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3622693)
I was just recommending my opinion on what a viable Luvdisc moveset is, Smogon's analysis is not really serious considering they actually put attacks on luvdisc =O

Anyways as I said the most Luvdisc can do to get by is annoy and setup Rain Dance and Safeguard, abusing Swift Swim and confusion. Focus Sash was there because Luvdisc did not have the defenses to take a hit and would allow an almost guaranteed Rain Dance.

I strongly believe Luvdisc has the movepool to annoy if the said player is lucky. In that case Attract + Confusion is only a 25% chance of the pokemon moving, 50% chance that the Confusion will work first turn.
& 50% chance the gender is the same :P Does Attract work against Genderless? I never tried it.

In any case I outlined the superiority of Qwilfish to Luvdisc as it gets Twave when Attract and sweet kiss can be automatically nulled by switching out. Taunt stops a lot of setuppers and statusers.

Oh, I know. I was really critisizing the fact that it is Luvdics ONLY options. Seeing that it only works against pokes of the different gender, and it get's taken out by a Quick Attack. Don't worry, I'm not really getting on you, but on Luvdisc, for her poor options.

I mean, it might work against me, I get haxed in standard battles (wifi or not) far too many times. Ask DA. However, that being her only options? I always say annoyers suck, but Luvdisc takes it to a new low. Of course, tha's even hoping that Sweet Kiss, with 75% accuraccy, hits in the first place.

I don't know what Luvdisc did to Game Freak, but she deserves better than that. Same with Farfeche'd. Oh, & Flareon. He needs it most.

Sexycheese May 29th, 2008 5:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3622717)
Oh, I know. I was really critisizing the fact that it is Luvdics ONLY options. Seeing that it only works against pokes of the different gender, and it get's taken out by a Quick Attack. Don't worry, I'm not really getting on you, but on Luvdisc, for her poor options.

I mean, it might work against me, I get haxed in standard battles (wifi or not) far too many times. Ask DA. However, that being her only options? I always say annoyers suck, but Luvdisc takes it to a new low. Of course, tha's even hoping that Sweet Kiss, with 75% accuraccy, hits in the first place.

I don't know what Luvdisc did to Game Freak, but she deserves better than that. Same with Farfeche'd. Oh, & Flareon. He needs it most.

yeah farfeched is rubbish but is an uber compared to luvdisk!

sims796 May 29th, 2008 5:50 AM

Alright, that was fun, but I have a serious question. What's the standard set for Espeon? Leafeon?

I can't find the thread.

EDIT: I MEANT ESPEON! Sorry.

Dark Azelf May 29th, 2008 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3622729)
Alright, that was fun, but I have a serious question. What's the standard set for Espeon? Leafeon?

I can't find the thread.

EDIT: I MEANT ESPEON! Sorry.

You mean Espyjump ?


[email protected] / Salac Berry
Timid Nature
132 HP / 122 SP.DEF / 252 SPEED
- Psychic
- Calm mind
- Baton Pass
- Substitute

132 hp for 304 hp, which = max leftovers recovery.

EDIT:

Spammy previous page is spammy >=[

Konvict May 29th, 2008 7:09 AM

Which would be better in my team?

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Adamant
Huge Power
-Aqua Tail
-Iron Tail
-Rollout
-Waterfall

OR

Empoleon @ Expert Belt/Choice Specs
Hasty
Torrent
-Surf
-Blizzard
-Ice Beam
-Water Pulse

Thankies~

sims796 May 29th, 2008 7:12 AM

They're both terrible movesets, but I can't even fix it. I need to know the rest of the members of your team first.

Konvict May 29th, 2008 7:21 AM

Here goes...

Infernape @ Charcoal
Careful
Blaze
-Flare Blitz
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot

Dragonite @ Persim Berry
Naughty
Inner Focus
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Fire Punch
-??? (considering Waterfall or Earthquake)

Garchomp @ Life Orb/Shell Bell
Gentle
Sand Veil
-Dragon Claw
-Dragon Rush (replace w/ Fire Fang?)
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance

Raichu @ Magnet
Naive
Static
-Thunderbolt
-Nasty Plot
-Volt Tackle
-Brick Break

Note: I have reservations about going pure-physical for my Raichu since he can't learn Swords Dance/Bulk Up. ><

Lucario @ Wide Lens
Quiet
Steadfast
-Aura Sphere
-Psychic
-Flash Cannon
-Foresight (anti-Wondertomb)

Weavile @ Scope Lens
Modest
Pressure
-Dig/Aerial Ace
-Avalanche
-Night Slash
-Swords Dance

6th slot will be either Azumarill or Empoleon... Weavile's just a placeholder...

sims796 May 29th, 2008 7:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konvict (Post 3622951)
Here goes...

Infernape @ Charcoal
Careful
Blaze
-Flare Blitz
-Flamethrower
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot

Dragonite @ Persim Berry
Naughty
Inner Focus
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Fire Punch
-??? (considering Waterfall or Earthquake)

Garchomp @ Life Orb/Shell Bell
Gentle
Sand Veil
-Dragon Claw
-Dragon Rush (replace w/ Fire Fang?)
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance

Raichu @ Magnet
Naive
Static
-Thunderbolt
-Nasty Plot
-Volt Tackle
-Brick Break

Note: I have reservations about going pure-physical for my Raichu since he can't learn Swords Dance/Bulk Up. ><

Lucario @ Wide Lens
Quiet
Steadfast
-Aura Sphere
-Psychic
-Flash Cannon
-Foresight (anti-Wondertomb)

Weavile @ Scope Lens
Modest
Pressure
-Dig/Aerial Ace
-Avalanche
-Night Slash
-Swords Dance

6th slot will be either Azumarill or Empoleon... Weavile's just a placeholder...

This entire team needs work, so I cannot suggest either. If you want the best help, I suggest you make a new thread, and you will get a better answer. But until then, all the moveselts are effed up, and adding one of those two now will only make it worse.

umbros May 29th, 2008 8:17 AM

Well, now, not ALL the movesets are messed up. All the NATURES are fubar, but the movesets on Dragonite and Garchomp look about right (with Earthquake and Fire Fang, respectively).

By the way, wide lense increases your accuracy. So why have it on something with 100% accurate moves?

Konvict May 29th, 2008 8:19 AM

Err, I was thinking of that thing that ups Sp. Atk...

LethalTexture May 29th, 2008 8:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konvict (Post 3623050)
Err, I was thinking of that thing that ups Sp. Atk...

Well, you've got Choice Specs, which ups your Sp. Atk by x1.5, however you can only use one attacking move until you switch out. Then there is Life Orb which ups both attack stats by x1.2, however it comes at a cost of 10% HP every time you use an attacking move. And you won't need foresight anyway; if you come up against somebody who uses Wondertomb, then they're a hacker and, in my eyes, you automatically win the battle. Simple as that.

sims796 May 29th, 2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3623048)
Well, now, not ALL the movesets are messed up. All the NATURES are fubar, but the movesets on Dragonite and Garchomp look about right (with Earthquake and Fire Fang, respectively).

By the way, wide lense increases your accuracy. So why have it on something with 100% accurate moves?

Yes, they are. Having half the moves right doesn't mean anything. He has two type attacks on almost every poke, I don't see any EVs, the items are terrible, the team settup is bad (especially since he has no walls), etc. Having Wide Lens is the least of his worries.


I'm not trying to make you feel bad, Konvict, nor am I trying to sound like a jerk, but I won't sugarcoat it, this team needs major work. I can't work in Azumarill or Empoleon until the problems in this team is fixed. I STRONGLY advise you to create your own thread, and you'll get much more help.



EDIT: Well, I was hoping for a Magnezone set, please. I was planning on using it as my main sweeper, but Smogon sucks all sorts of arse.

shedinjask May 29th, 2008 12:07 PM

Magnezone's analysis has two good sets. EVs might need some work.

Dark Azelf May 29th, 2008 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3623526)



EDIT: Well, I was hoping for a Magnezone set, please. I was planning on using it as my main sweeper, but Smogon sucks all sorts of arse.



[email protected]
172 HP / 252 Sp.A / 84 Speed
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power {Ice]
- Substitute
- magnet Rise

Screws up steels good and proper >=]. 84 speed evs puts you above min speed Skarmory.


[email protected] Orb
88 HP / 88 Atk / 248 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power {Ice]
- Explosion / Metal Sound
- magnet Rise / Flash Cannon


Yeah....



Or you can use Scarf if you want to be more "sweepy"

[email protected] Scarf
Timid/Hasty Nature
6 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED
- Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Explosion / Tri Attack

Since its slow, 240 Speed which Timid [email protected], would put you above max sped Azelf, Raikou and Starmie IIRC.

Mouse The Great May 29th, 2008 1:26 PM

Ok, so I've decided to start coppletely over. This is gonna be my first ev-trained team so I want it to be really good so I want to make sure I have the right pokemon first. Tis is the team I was thinking of -

Empoleon
Infernape/Lucario
Snorlax/Blissey
Dusknoir
Garchomp
Roserade

Is this ok so far?

airconditioning May 29th, 2008 1:51 PM

Not that bad for a first attempt, I suppose. Of course, we can't give a proper rate without movesets and EVs, so make a new thread with your team.

Mouse The Great May 29th, 2008 1:58 PM

Ok. Will do, but first i should go with Lucario over Infernape and Snorlax over Blissey right?

airconditioning May 29th, 2008 2:06 PM

I dunno. Post the sets in your own thread, and someone will answer there.

9jasper9 May 30th, 2008 1:16 AM

does anionne now a good teame i start agian with pokemon diamond and my brother give me the pokemon i want (6) and s i want to have a good team

El Gofre May 30th, 2008 1:28 AM

In-game anything is good. The game is aimed at ages 3+ and has AI to match. Just pick the pokes you like as and when you see them and level up :)

Matt-O May 30th, 2008 10:44 AM

I need a good special wall for a Sandstorm team. Preferably something that can stop water types.

Aikochan May 30th, 2008 10:47 AM

I have taking the time make a female eevee time and evolved them into there respective evolved forms I would like suggestions on ev and move set for each form

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3626173)
I need a good special wall for a Sandstorm team. Preferably something that can stop water types.

Cradily is commonly used as a sandstorm sp.wall

[email protected]
252 HP / 92 SP.DEF / 164 DEF
Sassy Nature
- Recover
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Energy Ball

Can take a Specs Mences Draco meteor and Recover off all the damage.



Tentacruel is a cool anti water type, and a good support pokemon (Rapid Spin or Knock off, Toxic spikes etc) in general on any Sandstorm team, due to the ability to counter Mixape etc. So you could consider that or Starmie, who gets Thunderbolt and can be a great addition to your SS team, also being able to counter Mixape AND gyarados, Rapid Spin is handy to and so is recover.

Both support cradily well.

Matt-O May 30th, 2008 10:58 AM

What would be a good moveset if I went with Tentacruel?

UGAtyler07 May 30th, 2008 11:04 AM

I have a question on my Scizor. I want to use him in Wi-Fi competitive battling. i have decided on three of my moves but im kinda hung up on the fourth. I have narrowed it down to X-Scissor and U-turn. The other moves are Iron Head, Brick Break, and Puruit. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks in advance!

Matt-O May 30th, 2008 11:12 AM

I'm not sure how well Scizor will pull off a moveset like that unless it's Choiced. Probably want to give it Agility or Swords Dance.

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3626203)
What would be a good moveset if I went with Tentacruel?

[email protected]
252 HP / 74 DEF / 64 SP.ATT / 172 SP.DEF
Calm nature
Trait : liquid Ooze
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes / Sludge Bomb
- Ice Beam
- Surf

You might not want to use T-Spikes, unless you have a Heracross counter ;)


Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAtyler07 (Post 3626224)
I have a question on my Scizor. I want to use him in Wi-Fi competitive battling. i have decided on three of my moves but im kinda hung up on the fourth. I have narrowed it down to X-Scissor and U-turn. The other moves are Iron Head, Brick Break, and Puruit. Anyone have an opinion? Thanks in advance!



I use


[email protected] Band / Choice Scarf
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait : Technician
- Pursuit
- Brick Break
- U-Turn
- Iron head


I prefer U-Turn or its easy for Magnezone to come in and trap you otherwise if your stuck in X-Scissor.

sims796 May 30th, 2008 11:19 AM

I have a Scizor question. Is he still a great passer?

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3626256)
I have a Scizor question. Is he still a great passer?

Heck yes, its an awesome passer


[email protected]
184 HP / 176 Def / 148 Speed
Impish nature
- Roost
- baton pass
- Agility / Swords Dance
- X-Scizor / Iron head

Xairmo May 30th, 2008 2:21 PM

Im looking for sets for Swampert, Celebi, Jirachi, Vaporeon, and Togekiss. Any help is greatly appreciated ^^

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 2:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xairmo (Post 3626782)
Im looking for sets for Swampert, Celebi, Jirachi, Vaporeon, and Togekiss. Any help is greatly appreciated ^^

[email protected]
240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Relaxed nature
- Hydro pump / Surf
- ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Roar

Mixpert, 2hko's Forry, Skarm and Weezing with hydro pump.



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252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Bold Nature
- Grass Knot
- Heal bell
- Leech Seed
- Recover

Cleric. Also beats up gyarados HARD with Grass Knot, 3hko IIRC.

OR

[email protected]
252 HP / 80 SP.ATT / 176 SPEED
Timid Nature
- Recover
- leech Seed
- Substitute
- psychic

Anti-Sims set =p *Gets shot* Sub seed celebi, 308 speed which puts you ahead of all base 100's. Evil set is evil.




[email protected]
252 HP / 220 DEF / 36 SPEED
Impish Nature
- Wish
- U-Turn
- Zen Headbutt
- Reflect / Light Screen / Body Slam / Ice Punch / Thunder

Wish passer.

Thunder beats skarm, U-Turn to pass a wish safely and to get away from dugtrio and Magnezone.

0R

[email protected]
252 HP / 80 SP.ATT / 176 SPEED
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Substitute / Wish
- Thunderbolt / Hidden power Fighting
- Psychic


Calm mind. 101 HP Subs. HP Fight is for t-tar etc.


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188 HP / 252 DEF / 70 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- ice Beam
- Surf
- Protect / Hidden power Electric / Roar / Yawn / Toxic
- Wish

Wish pass, Gyara, Ape etc counter.

OR

[email protected]
188 HP / 252 DEF / 70 SP.ATT
Relaxed Nature
- Baton Pass
- Surf
- Substitute
- Wish

Sub Pass, make it slower than blissey, so you can pass intact subs on its s-tosses =)



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252 HP / 152 Sp.A / 104 Speed
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Aura Sphere
- Roost
- Air Slash

I hate this thing, its evil T_T. Nasty Plot sweeper.


OR

[email protected]
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 Sp.Def
Calm nature
- Thunderwave / Body Slam
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost

Flinch Hax, another Kiss set that is evil, i hate and that doesnt deserve to exist =/






I could also post Baton passing sets for Celebi if you want them aswell ?

Xairmo May 30th, 2008 2:41 PM

Ah thanks a million D_A ^.^
No need to post Baton Passing sets, these sets should last me quite a while. :D

PKMN Trainer Green May 30th, 2008 3:15 PM

Which of these would be the best Drapion to use?

Drapion @ Scope Lens
Jolly Nature/Sniper
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Fire Fang

Drapion @ Scope Lens
Jolly Nature/Sniper
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Earthquake
- Cross Poison

Also, what would be the best EV Spread?

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PKMN Trainer Green (Post 3626922)
Which of these would be the best Drapion to use?

Drapion @ Scope Lens
Jolly Nature/Sniper
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
- Fire Fang

Drapion @ Scope Lens
Jolly Nature/Sniper
- Swords Dance
- Night Slash
- Earthquake
- Cross Poison

Also, what would be the best EV Spread?

First one IMO.

40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Speed, buts you above base neutral 100's IIRC.

. May 30th, 2008 3:26 PM

Oh noes, more team help needed from KT D:

I have quite an interesting problem.

Deoxys-e isn't really the lead I wished it to be. I'm considering dropping DDTar and switching it for CBTar. I want to use CBTar as a lead, and I also want to use Starmie.

I need a set for a CBTar lead, and a set for Starmie. (Preferably Tbolt > Ice Beam)

Dark Azelf May 30th, 2008 3:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3626950)
Oh noes, more team help needed from KT D:

I have quite an interesting problem.

Deoxys-e isn't really the lead I wished it to be. I'm considering dropping DDTar and switching it for CBTar. I want to use CBTar as a lead, and I also want to use Starmie.

I need a set for a CBTar lead, and a set for Starmie. (Preferably Tbolt > Ice Beam)


[email protected] Band
60 hp / 252 att / 196 speed
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

The spread i use, it puts you above suicune and other pokemon that like to hover around the 200 mark . It gives 207 speed on the above spread.


Alternately, you can just max hp and attack, but i would advise against that, due to the fact that skarmory will then be faster and can stall you out of Stone Edges with Roost =/. Who you would otherwise 2hko with Stone Edge on the first spread.



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160 hp / 132 sp.att / 216 speed
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Spinner. 216 speed and timid gives you 352 speed, to put you above Gengar and Infernape =)

PKMN Trainer Green May 30th, 2008 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3626940)
First one IMO.

40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Speed, buts you above base neutral 100's IIRC.

Alright. Thanks for the help.

Lalapizzame May 30th, 2008 5:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3626950)
Oh noes, more team help needed from KT D:

I have quite an interesting problem.

Deoxys-e isn't really the lead I wished it to be. I'm considering dropping DDTar and switching it for CBTar. I want to use CBTar as a lead, and I also want to use Starmie.
I need a set for a CBTar lead, and a set for Starmie. (Preferably Tbolt > Ice Beam)

[email protected] Band
178 HP/252 Attack/80 Speed
Adamant
Stone Edge
Earthquake/Focus Punch
Pursuit
Crunch

Hammer things hard with CB.Speed is now 178 so you can outspeed Skarmory and Metagross with 4 Speed evs and 2HKO Skarmory with Stone Edge and do massive damage to Metagross with Earthquake.Focus Punch if you want to hammer Skarmory after it Roosts, because then it will be Steel type when you Focus Punch or just whack Blissey or things switching in expecting Stone Edge or Crunch like Registeel. =D Pursuit catches switching pokemon and OHKO some of them like Alakazam or Gengar.


[email protected]
Natural Cure
Timid
160 HP/132 Special Attack/216 Speed
Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
Surf
Recover
Rapid Spin

Standard Rapid Spinning Starmie. =D
EDIT: This may be off-topic but, I'm having trouble with PC's server and I can't connect to the server. Any help to assist me in connecting to PC's server or comments on why I can't connect?

. May 30th, 2008 6:01 PM

Thanks D_A and lala! I'm using them and they're great.

Off Topic: Same thing is happening to me with the PC Server.

Chibaymega12 May 30th, 2008 6:50 PM

hey, i dunno, if this is the right thread, but i'd like you to rate and revise my team...


Empoleon
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Calm nature
- Surf
- Ice beam
- Stealth Rock
- Roar


Electivire
Mild Nature
80 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 176 SPEED
- Cross Chop
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Ice Punch

Garchomp
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang

Espeon
252 SAtk/252 Spd/ 6 HP
- Psychic
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Shadow Ball

Gliscor
252 Def/176 Atk/176 HP
-Swords Dance
-Fire Fang
-Earthquake
-Arial Ace

Dusknoir
252 SDef/252 HP/6 Atk
-Earthquake
-Payback
-Brick Break/Captivate
-Calm Mind

Well... hows that?

airconditioning May 30th, 2008 7:00 PM

Don't you already have your own thread? Post it there.

Also, that Noir set makes me cry.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful
252 HP/ 178 SDef/ 80 Def
-Fire Punch/ Thunderpunch
-Shadow Sneak/ Shadow Punch
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split

Chibaymega12 May 30th, 2008 7:02 PM

okay, thanx. I'll rework it.

smile! May 31st, 2008 4:53 AM

Ummm... Can someone give me a set for a Bold Bronzong? What I was thinking:
-Iron Defense/Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Flash Cannon/Gyro Ball
-Confuse Ray
Thanks

Dark Azelf May 31st, 2008 5:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smile! (Post 3628831)
Ummm... Can someone give me a set for a Bold Bronzong? What I was thinking:
-Iron Defense/Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Flash Cannon/Gyro Ball
-Confuse Ray
Thanks

Sucky Nature is Sucky, Bronzong wants relaxed or Sassy for Gyro ball mainly

I use.

[email protected]
252 HP / 200 DEF / 58 SP.DEF
Relaxed Nature
Trait : levitate
- Gyro ball
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis
- Reflect / Earthquake

Utility and anti physical attacker.

Alternately you can go sassy and move all the def evs into sp.def and vice versa with the current sp.def evs into def.

Another alternative is to use a more offensive spread of 252 HP / 152 ATT / 8 DEF / 96 SP.DEF @Relaxed or Sassy, if you use Sassy sp.def evs go in def to balance it out.


or you can do the same evs and go Rest/Sleep Talk/Earthquake/Gyro Ball to make Zong your status absorb.

Matt-O May 31st, 2008 5:51 AM

Bold kind of sucks on Bronzong. Use this instead.
[email protected]/Macho Brace
Relaxed nature Levitate
Gyro Ball
Hypnosis
Stealth Rock/Trick Room/Reflect
Explosion/Earthquake

StrickeN May 31st, 2008 4:00 PM

Any ideas on a moveset for Azelf and Uxie?

I've heard Uxie makes quite the Wall and Azelf is good Sp. Sweeper (adding U-turn just makes it all the better)

Ideas appreciated ty

Dark Azelf May 31st, 2008 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stricken (Post 3630949)
Any ideas on a moveset for Azelf and Uxie?

I've heard Uxie makes quite the Wall and Azelf is good Sp. Sweeper (adding U-turn just makes it all the better)

Ideas appreciated ty

YAY !!


[email protected] Orb
42 ATT / 252 SP.AT / 216 SPEED
Naive Nature
- U-Turn / Grass Knot
- Explosion
- Psychic
- Flamethrower

Life Orb Azelf...


OR

[email protected] Orb
36 HP / 252 SP.AT / 220 SPEED
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Hidden power Fighting / Grass Knot
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot

Nasty Plot sweeper !!

Use 220 speed evs with hp fighting, otherwise use 216, as you can only get max of 30 ivs in speed for hp fighting. Anyways aim for 352 speed to put you above Gengar.

Hp allows you to survive a specs starmie surf and a weaviles Pursuit should you stay in =)



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252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 sp.att
Relaxed Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Stealth Rock
- Yawn
- U-Turn / Reflect / Light Screen

Is what i use for support and to annoy the hell out of Gyarados.


OR


[email protected]
252 HP / 144 def/ 56 Sp.A / 56 sp.def
Bold Nature
- Charge Beam / Thunderbolt
- Psychic / Grass Knot / Hidden power Ice
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Rest-Talk....



I like elfs !!!

To Write Love On Her Arms May 31st, 2008 6:56 PM

Moveset help.
 
I am currently in need of a moveset for a level 100 Gliscor. I want to be able to use it well in WiFi battles, anyone have any suggestions for a moveset.

Also, if this is in the wrong place, can a MOD please move it?

StrickeN May 31st, 2008 7:15 PM

I'm working on breeding blah blah blah

What would be a good set up for a
Lucario
and
Metagross

Thx

noah73x June 1st, 2008 2:08 AM

[email protected]
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp,162 atk, 96 def
-Toxic spikes
-Spikes/earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Rest
- Rock Slide

[email protected]
Nature: Calm
252 hp, 200 sp.def, 58 sp.atk
-Surf
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic spikes
-Giga drain

Magneton @ Leftovers
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunderbolt
- Metal Sound
- Substitute / Reflect

thats my 1st team for none-game, so don't give me "noob!" calls please :P
i would like to stay with those 4 pokemons, switch thier moves, nature and EV's is okey..
and give me another 2 pokemons [i perfer none-legendey] that will take care of my team's weakness's.

thanks all :rambo:

Dark Azelf June 1st, 2008 3:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stricken (Post 3631653)
I'm working on breeding blah blah blah

What would be a good set up for a
Lucario
and
Metagross

Thx

[email protected] Specs
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Vacuum Wave
- Hidden power Ice / Dragon Pulse
- Shadow Ball / Dark pulse

HP Ice hits Gliscor harder and Dragon Pulse gives you more neutral coverage.

OR

[email protected] Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- Crunch / Stone Edge / Bullet Punch

Yep, after a swords dance, this is scary, Extremespeed picks off weak sweepers like Weavile and Infernape, Bullet Punch ohko's Gengar, Mismagius with SR up and Aerodactyl regardless of SR.


[email protected] Band
252 HP / 244 ATT / 12 DEF / 8 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Thunderpunch / Ice Punch / Pursuit / Bullet Punch

EVS Let you survive a Dugtrios CB EQ.


OR

[email protected] Orb
152 HP / 252 ATT / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Agility
- Thunderpunch / Ice Punch / Explosion

Agiligross...

Azonic June 1st, 2008 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chu (Post 3631589)
I am currently in need of a moveset for a level 100 Gliscor. I want to be able to use it well in WiFi battles, anyone have any suggestions for a moveset.

Also, if this is in the wrong place, can a MOD please move it?

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Veil
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Defense/ 84 Attack
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Roost
- Stealth Rock / Knock Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by stricken (Post 3631653)
I'm working on breeding blah blah blah

What would be a good set up for a
Lucario
and
Metagross

Thx

Lucario @ Life Orb
Trait: Steadfast
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Swords Dance
- Crunch
- Close Combat
- Extremespeed

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 152 HP / 104 Speed
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch
- Earthquake
- Agility

Aquilae June 1st, 2008 4:22 AM

I really doubt Agiligross can sweep (or do any damage for that matter) without an SD pass or any prior attack boost, and without a boost from Life Orb, it's just sad and gets walled by a lot of things =(

Anyway I would go with CBGross because of pure power, and its neutralities and resistances/immunities make switching in easy. RestTalkGross is also an option but is slightly inferior, although it does beat some of Metagross' counters one-on-one.

People need to use MixGross more, I used it in my Dragonite team once (thanks Blue ga Kirby) and it was funny D=

Metagross @ Life Orb
Brave
31/30/31/30/30/31 (Hidden Power Fire 70)
252 Attack/92 Speed/164 SpA

Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Hidden Power Fire
Grass Knot

Speed is for 177 Speed pokemon namely Skarm.

Destroys Skarmory/Hippowdon/Swampert/Forretress on the switchin, Metagross' main counters. Gliscor won't switchin anyway because CB Meteor Mash is a 2HKO.

If you have no need of Stealth Rock/Knock Off (another Stealth Rock setupper/Knock Off is crappy), Taunt could go into the last slot for P-PHazing (%_%)

Swords Dance in the last slot may allow Gliscor a chance to sweep, basically you would run a more offensively oriented EV spread:

116 HP/136 Attack/42 Def/216 Speed Jolly (+nature base 90s, OHKO on Lucario),
116 HP/136 Attack/142 Def/116 Speed Jolly (neutral base 90s, OHKO on Lucario)

StrickeN June 1st, 2008 9:03 AM

CBGross is what i'm setting up now with that exact move set Dark_azelf lol.

I'll try a few different things and I am thinking a Specs Lucario would be pretty cool. Gonna try it out though, I will more then likely be changing my mind :S

Any who thanks every one

airconditioning June 1st, 2008 10:52 AM

What are the EVs for a Bold Weezing @ Sludge Bomb/ Flamethrower/ WoW/ Pain Split?

sims796 June 1st, 2008 10:55 AM

Credit goes to Dark Azelf.

Quote:

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Bold nature
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Will-o-wisp / Haze
- Pain Split

Alternately, you can use 196 hp / 252 def / 60 sp.att if you want Flamethrower to 2hko Heracross and generate max lefties recovery. Fire Blast 2hkos Hera without any ev investments, so its up to you on what you want.

Will-o-wisp or Haze is up to preference aswell.

Of course, you'll be using Sludge Bomb over T-bolt, but it's all the same. Personally, I use the second EV spread.

airconditioning June 1st, 2008 11:09 AM

Quote:

196 hp / 252 def / 60 sp.att
This was the spread I was looking for, but I couldn't remember the exact numbers or where D_A posted it. Thanks. :)

sims796 June 1st, 2008 11:10 AM

That one works so well, It's a wonder why the first was suggested :P

Moderator burn!

Thebiggamer June 1st, 2008 12:44 PM

Ok here is what I'm planning for my TRU Darkrai,I accidently saved with the wrong nature so it's set:

[email protected] Scarf
Rash
252/252/4 Special attack/speed/HP

Spacial Rend
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Dark Void/Dark Pulse

I don't know what I want as last move, I want him to be the hit and run type and both moves could work for him, with void he can come in and sleep a threat and he can actually KO something with a stabbed pulse. I wanted something other than a standard set and this is what I got

airconditioning June 1st, 2008 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thebiggamer (Post 3634029)
Ok here is what I'm planning for my TRU Darkrai,I accidently saved with the wrong nature so it's set:

[email protected] Scarf
Rash
252/252/4 Special attack/speed/HP

Spacial Rend
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Dark Void/Dark Pulse

I don't know what I want as last move, I want him to be the hit and run type and both moves could work for him, with void he can come in and sleep a threat and he can actually KO something with a stabbed pulse. I wanted something other than a standard set and this is what I got

Dark Void on a Choice Set? No. Please. GO with something like this:

Darkrai @ Choice Scarf
Rash (You could do worse...)
252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
- Dark Pulse
- Thunder
- Ice Beam/ Spacial Rend
- Focus Blast

This should work well. Dark Pulse for STAB, and hitting SE on Lugia, Giratina, and the Latis. Thunder (with Kyogre support from either you or your opponent) hits Kyogre hard, as well as Lugia and Ho-Oh. Ice Beam hits Groudon and Rayquaza, although you could switch it with S-Rend to hit Palkia. Focus Blast hits Dialga and Heatran.

Keep in mind that I have absolutely no experience in the Uber metagame, so I have no idea how well this would work.

Dark Azelf June 1st, 2008 1:01 PM

I would prefer Focus Punch >> Focus Blast or Bliss goes OLOL. You can make use of it to with rash.

Thebiggamer June 1st, 2008 1:07 PM

I'm trying to keep physical attack options open so as to take advantage of Rash's advantages so Punch could work out. I haven't added or removed any of Darkrai's moves as of yet, I don't have experiance in the uber metagame myself


thanks fpr the sugestions as well, almost forgot lol

airconditioning June 1st, 2008 1:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3634072)
I would prefer Focus Punch >> Focus Blast or Bliss goes OLOL. You can make use of it to with rash.

Probably a better idea. I'm just not very partial to Focus Punch, so I can't really recommend it.

EDIT: Come to think of it, this set is interesting. I still have two Darkrais that haven't been SRed for yet, so I think I'll have my second Darkrai be Rash/ Mild.

Thebiggamer June 1st, 2008 2:00 PM

Ok so I've scrapped shadow ball for dark pulse and I'm debating on Focus punch or blast, for now i'm gonna run focus blast cause it's already got 252 special attack EVs and I'll see how that works for me, I'll keep punch in mind after a few trial runs

once again thanks for advice

Matt-O June 1st, 2008 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3626188)

[email protected]
252 HP / 92 SP.DEF / 164 DEF
Sassy Nature
- Recover
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Energy Ball

That's the standard Cradily. My question is, could I use Anciet Power instead of Rock Slide because of better accuracy and te chance of raising stats or would it be better to stick with Rock Slide?

. June 1st, 2008 3:32 PM

No, Rock Slide is better and has more PP, something Cradily needs.

Matt-O June 1st, 2008 3:44 PM

Thanks King T-Tar. Wasn't sure which would be better.

zelda_theralts June 1st, 2008 4:30 PM

Whats a good moveset for glaceon?

RaggedyJan June 1st, 2008 6:16 PM

Umbreon?
 
sooo, wat do you guys think about umbreon? I find him useful but should i replace him with donphan as a wall/utility pokemon?
here's my umbreon

Bold, Leftovers, 252 def. 252 hp. 6 SpDef
-wish
-mean look
-baton pass
-toxic

super onii chan June 1st, 2008 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaggedyJan (Post 3634938)
sooo, wat do you guys think about umbreon? I find him useful but should i replace him with donphan as a wall/utility pokemon?
here's my umbreon

Leftovers, 252 def. 252 hp. 6 SpDef
-wish
-mean look
-baton pass
-toxic

well mine has wish,b pass,curse, and pay back.

RaggedyJan June 1st, 2008 6:25 PM

word, mines more of a toxic staller

ClassicRockFan June 1st, 2008 6:28 PM

This should go in the Strategy and Moveset forum

-Moved-

Sexycheese June 1st, 2008 11:42 PM

Hi can anyone give me a set for a seviper please? ta!

(by the way I downed my cousins luvdisk [again] with a butterfree tackle lol)

El Gofre June 2nd, 2008 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3635673)
Hi can anyone give me a set for a seviper please? ta!

(by the way I downed my cousins luvdisk [again] with a butterfree tackle lol)

I do not condone the use of that move, but its hilariousknowing it can be used ;)
Anywayz, seviper is hardly a common poke so I've gone straight to smogon. They recommend either choice band or hoice specs:

[email protected] Band/Life Orb
Adamant
252Att/120Def/136Spd
Crunch
Earthquake
Poisin Jab
X Sissor/Return/Glare
For the final slot smogon did not offer alternatives to glare if CB was used, so looking through it's movepool X scissor or return is yyour best bet.

[email protected] Specs
Modest
252SpAtt/120Def/136Spd
Dark Pulse/Giga Drain
Sludge Bomb
Flamethrower
HP Ground

Ambient June 2nd, 2008 1:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelda_theralts (Post 3634604)
Whats a good moveset for glaceon?

For Glaceon, you can either go with

Glaceon @ Leftovers
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Speed
~ Ice Beam / Blizzard
~ Hidden Power Fighting
~ Fake Tears
~ Wish

OR

Glaceon @ Choice Specs / Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Speed
~ Ice Beam / Blizzard
~ Hidden Power Fighting
~ Shadow Ball
~ Sleep Talk

Sexycheese June 2nd, 2008 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3635916)
I do not condone the use of that move, but its hilariousknowing it can be used ;)
Anywayz, seviper is hardly a common poke so I've gone straight to smogon. They recommend either choice band or hoice specs:

[email protected] Band/Life Orb
Adamant
252Att/120Def/136Spd
Crunch
Earthquake
Poisin Jab
X Sissor/Return/Glare
For the final slot smogon did not offer alternatives to glare if CB was used, so looking through it's movepool X scissor or return is yyour best bet.

[email protected] Specs
Modest
252SpAtt/120Def/136Spd
Dark Pulse/Giga Drain
Sludge Bomb
Flamethrower
HP Ground

Thanks a bunch for the moveset! by the way does seviper come under UU or NU?
I think seviper is a great phisical and special sweeper but it speed sucks big time.

Ambient June 2nd, 2008 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3636201)
Thanks a bunch for the moveset! by the way does seviper come under UU or NU?
I think seviper is a great phisical and special sweeper but it speed sucks big time.

It's UU because it's attacking stats are actually good, if you are worried about speed, give it a Choice Scarf IF you are using it in OU, however you will loose loads of power.

Sexycheese June 2nd, 2008 4:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ambient (Post 3636214)
It's UU because it's attacking stats are actually good, if you are worried about speed, give it a Choice Scarf IF you are using it in OU, however you will loose loads of power.

Yeah thats true....I would just go with power but because its defence isnt great it will get blown to bits in OU......


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