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Azonic June 10th, 2008 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3660355)
I use the following physial pikachu:
[email protected] Ball
Adamant
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Thunderpunch
Brick Break/Focus Punch
Return
Agility

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3660406)
If you insist on Phicical pikachu try this set!

Light Ball (Obviosly)
6 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
-Thunderpunch
-Brick Break
-Focus punch/
-Substitute (may as well try to take a hit)

Pikachu doesnt really work as phisical sweeper though.


Why have Light Ball on a physical Pikachu? It only doubles the Special Attack stat. ._. Pikachu can't physically sweep for crap. It has a base 55 attack stat, and it won't even to 5% to Blissey. Defenses also suck, and Speed is the only stat that is anywhere near average. Don't use physical Pikachu. =/

Aquilae June 10th, 2008 6:13 AM

Light Ball doubles both Attack and SpA ._. And Pikachu's attack stat is 5 points higher than its SpA ._.

Regardless I would recommend the Mixed Sweeper set. Always use +Speed because Pikachu needs all the speed it can get. Sub/Encore is pretty meh, the stuff that would try to status you would be either faster or would switch out, Dusknoir is also a special case considering it gets Shadow Sneak.

devilicious June 10th, 2008 6:14 AM

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Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3661096)
It only doubles the Special Attack stat. ._.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/light_ball
Quote:

Doubles Pikachu's Attack and Special Attack.

sims796 June 10th, 2008 7:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3661094)
I know, mabey its me being picky but I like my pokemon to be able to do good defending, attacking and be good all round. I dont like settling one job on one pokemon as if they down say....your phisical sweeper you are screwed when blissy comes out, better to be balanced on all fronts.

That is also known as being wishy-washy. Yes, certain pokes must be assigned one job, trying to force it to be all around will greatly weaken most pokes. If your physical sweeper is dead, you should have a back-up threat to wipe out Blissey.

A team with every poke all round phails to teams with specialized pokes.

Dark Azelf June 10th, 2008 10:58 AM

Well, i was looking at Crawdaunts stats and it looks as though it has the good offensive capabilities to be a sort of mix sweeper so to speak..


[email protected] Orb
252 ATT / 70 SP.ATT / 188 SPEED
Naughty Nature
Trait : Hyper Cutter
- Ice Beam
- Crunch
- Surf
- Super Power


This spread 2hko's(53% minimum) max hp / min sp.def neutral Skarmory with surf, OHKO'S Garchomp with Ice Beam, Does 89.92% - 105.74% to max hp / max def bold blissey with super power and 2hko's all max hp and max def Celebi, Cresselia and Dusknoir with Crunch =D (By 2hko, i mean doesnt just scrape 2hko's, i mean really REALLY dents them). It even does 50.33% - 59.21% to Max hp / 100 def neutral spiritomb with Crunch.

Main issue is its ass speed, 193 isnt enough =[, but with an Agility passed to it,from say Zapdos or something, i think it will be capable of hurting ALOT of things. I was contemplating HP Grass and Electric for bulky waters namely Gyarados, and swampert, but i figured it to be pointless tbh. I also know its walled hard by swampert, Bronzong, Suicune etc, but meh...


Opinions, thoughts, suggestions ?

Ambient June 10th, 2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3661716)
Well, i was looking at Crawdaunts stats and it looks as though it has the good offensive capabilities to be a sort of mix sweeper so to speak..


[email protected] Orb
252 ATT / 70 SP.ATT / 188 SPEED
Naughty Nature
Trait : Hyper Cutter
- Ice Beam
- Crunch
- Surf
- Super Power


This spread 2hko's(53% minimum) max hp / min sp.def neutral Skarmory with surf, OHKO'S Garchomp with Ice Beam, Does 89.92% - 105.74% to max hp / max def bold blissey with super power and 2hko's all max hp and max def Celebi, Cresselia and Dusknoir with Crunch =D (By 2hko, i mean doesnt just scrape 2hko's, i mean really REALLY dents them). It even does 50.33% - 59.21% to Max hp / 100 def neutral spiritomb with Crunch.

Main issue is its ass speed, 193 isnt enough =[, but with an Agility passed to it,from say Zapdos or something, i think it will be capable of hurting ALOT of things. I was contemplating HP Grass and Electric for bulky waters namely Gyarados, and swampert, but i figured it to be pointless tbh. I also know its walled hard by swampert, Bronzong, Suicune etc, but meh...


Opinions, thoughts, suggestions ?

I think it has potential, highlighted in that set. Maybe it'd be of more use with a Brave nature in a Trick Room team, if not Speed passed ideally from Ninjask, Jolteon or Zapdos. But I can see it playing successfully in the OU tier, any idea why it's not BL?

devilicious June 10th, 2008 12:43 PM

I've used a similar Crawdaunt on UU with Hidden Power [Grass] instead of Superpower and it worked very very well.

Agility + Petaya Pass from Masquerain = ♥

Anti June 10th, 2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3661716)
Well, i was looking at Crawdaunts stats and it looks as though it has the good offensive capabilities to be a sort of mix sweeper so to speak..


[email protected] Orb
252 ATT / 70 SP.ATT / 188 SPEED
Naughty Nature
Trait : Hyper Cutter
- Ice Beam
- Crunch
- Surf
- Super Power


This spread 2hko's(53% minimum) max hp / min sp.def neutral Skarmory with surf, OHKO'S Garchomp with Ice Beam, Does 89.92% - 105.74% to max hp / max def bold blissey with super power and 2hko's all max hp and max def Celebi, Cresselia and Dusknoir with Crunch =D (By 2hko, i mean doesnt just scrape 2hko's, i mean really REALLY dents them). It even does 50.33% - 59.21% to Max hp / 100 def neutral spiritomb with Crunch.

Main issue is its ass speed, 193 isnt enough =[, but with an Agility passed to it,from say Zapdos or something, i think it will be capable of hurting ALOT of things. I was contemplating HP Grass and Electric for bulky waters namely Gyarados, and swampert, but i figured it to be pointless tbh. I also know its walled hard by swampert, Bronzong, Suicune etc, but meh...


Opinions, thoughts, suggestions ?

I honestly wouldn't worry about 2HKOing Leftovers Skarmory since they are so rare (they all have Shed Shell). Besides, SR will screw over Leftovers Skarmory or even hail (lol) damage, so I'd invest in more speed.

Forretress is kinda in the same boat, only its recovery is horrible and it can't hurt Crawdaunt. And for the record, I agree that Hidden Power would be a rather futile attempt at "beating" bulky waters (especially those with HP electric for Gyarados).

EDIT: Oh, I like the set BTW. lol

Dark Azelf June 10th, 2008 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3662026)
I've used a similar Crawdaunt on UU with Hidden Power [Grass] instead of Superpower and it worked very very well.

Agility + Petaya Pass from Masquerain = ♥

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 3662033)
I honestly wouldn't worry about 2HKOing Leftovers Skarmory since they are so rare (they all have Shed Shell). Besides, SR will screw over Leftovers Skarmory or even hail (lol) damage, so I'd invest in more speed.

Forretress is kinda in the same boat, only its recovery is horrible and it can't hurt Crawdaunt. And for the record, I agree that Hidden Power would be a rather futile attempt at "beating" bulky waters (especially those with HP electric for Gyarados).

EDIT: Oh, I like the set BTW. lol

In UU, i would say 100% yes to HP Grass, due to Quagsire, Gastrodon and that other Water/Ground i cant quite recall the name of XD. Swampert is the only thing it would it HARD in OU. Suicune and other bulky waters dont take too much from GP Grass or Electric sadly (apart from Gyarados) =[..

I may possibly cut down the speed just to beat min speed Skarm and invest more in sp.att..hmmm..

devilicious June 10th, 2008 1:04 PM

If you don't plan on passing speed to it, I think 177 Speed is enough.
Since I was passing Agility, I went with 192 so I could outspeed Swellow after the pass.

SmashBrony June 10th, 2008 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3659173)
There are less than six Pokemon that meet that criteria. Please, if you're going to play in Uber battles, USE UBERS.

I'm gonna use this as a standrad team...

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Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 3662281)
I'm gonna use this as a standrad team...

& the list is off of smogon that says those pokemon are also used in uber battles.
( I could'nt figure out the edit thingy...)

devilicious June 10th, 2008 3:13 PM

They're used in uber battles, but in conjuction with ubers.

Also, why would you want a Standard team with Pokémon usable in ubers if you're not going to battle ubers?

airconditioning June 10th, 2008 3:46 PM

Doesn't mean that an entire team of those guys can take on Ubers easily. It's like using UUs against an OU team- it's not impossible, but you need to be REALLY good to do it. And forgive me for being frank, but you're not giving off that 'expert battler' vibe. =/

SmashBrony June 10th, 2008 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3662317)
They're used in uber battles, but in conjuction with ubers.

Also, why would you want a Standard team with Pokémon usable in ubers if you're not going to battle ubers?

I figured that the pokemon that can fight ubers would the best choice againt any standrad foes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3662399)
Doesn't mean that an entire team of those guys can take on Ubers easily. It's like using UUs against an OU team- it's not impossible, but you need to be REALLY good to do it. And forgive me for being frank, but you're not giving off that 'expert battler' vibe. =/

I'm gonna fight an foe in the standrad field sometime...
I decided on these pokemon so far:
Metagross
Blissey
Garchomp

hmm...pehaps I should have a supportive psyically defensive pokemon, like Scizor or Forretress that can hurt the foe when needed....& desite the years I sent playing the game, I'm practially new, since i don't have anyone else in the family that liked playing the game like I do...& i'm like a prisoner in my own home...(well, prisoner is a REALLY strong word for it, but I don't what else to descibe it as...)

Altough they're not used in ubers(not that it matters any, as this is a standrad field team), I was strongly considering Azelf or Gengar as my special sweeper...
or I may have Porygon-Z, or even Yanmega...

sims796 June 10th, 2008 7:53 PM

NO.

Just because it is good in ubers doesn't make it good in OU. You must completely revamp your team for uber, leaving you unable to handle OU. Shedinja is a great example.

SmashBrony June 10th, 2008 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3662830)
NO.

Just because it is good in ubers doesn't make it good in OU. You must completely revamp your team for uber, leaving you unable to handle OU. Shedinja is a great example.

...I should've specifeid the ones with high stats, like Blissey or Tyranitar....
Anyway, I'll be using gengar as my special sweeper...still wondering what my last 2 pokemon will...I guess I'll focus on the 4 & then analze their weaknesses & cover them with the last 2...

BobberyJo June 10th, 2008 11:19 PM

That's not the point he was making. The Uber Tier has a completely different metagame.
You need different EV's, movesets and etc.

Just becasue something is good in OU doesn't meen it's good in UBers.
Also, just because somehing is bad in OU doesn't meen it's bad in UBers.

A good example is shedninja.

Sexycheese June 10th, 2008 11:44 PM

I quite like shedinja but its hp makes you want to scream as it is easily downed by weather and status effects but anyway does anyone have a moveset for it please? by the way shedinja is UU right?

P.s: Sims I dont want to be seen as rude but you say balanced pokemon fail against specialists? My win record would suggest otherwise.

Magmortified June 11th, 2008 3:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 3662859)
...I should've specifeid the ones with high stats, like Blissey or Tyranitar....
Anyway, I'll be using gengar as my special sweeper...still wondering what my last 2 pokemon will...I guess I'll focus on the 4 & then analze their weaknesses & cover them with the last 2...

If you're going to use things like Gengar, then, good gosh, man, just build a straightup OU team and build a seperate Ubers team. This is better to ensure success in both tiers instead of trying to make an interchangeable team that quite likely succeeds in neither.

As the others have said, the OUs that work out in Ubers require very different standard sets. Those standard sets don't tend to work out the best in OU. By definition of packing an interchangeable team you're going to need two different variants of the same Pokemon for general success. Which raises the question of why you're not using a seperate team altogether?

Dark Azelf June 11th, 2008 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3663211)
I quite like shedinja but its hp makes you want to scream as it is easily downed by weather and status effects but anyway does anyone have a moveset for it please? by the way shedinja is UU right?

P.s: Sims I dont want to be seen as rude but you say balanced pokemon fail against specialists? My win record would suggest otherwise.

Whos to say you havent been battling compete nubs ? Win records are irrelevant =p. Anyways, i wouldnt say balanced pokemon fail, so to speak, but they wont do certain jobs as good as specialist pokemon, a good example would be Mesprit who can do ANY job basically, from Spiking, to tanking, even sweeping etc vs Hippowdon at physical walling, in comparison of physical walling Mesprit pales to hippow.

Shedinja is BL. Buts its usable in ubers, as there are less things that kill you there, the only real Spiker in Uber are the not so common Skarmory, Forry and Deoxys Defense. Weather changers you have to fear is basically t-tar. its actually fun to switch into Kyogre and go OLOL, but be careful, some of them pack toxic just to hit sheddy.


[email protected] Sash / Lum Berry
Adamant Nature
252 ATT / 4 DEF / 252 SPEED
- X-Scissor
- Shadow Sneak
- WIll-o-wisp / Toxic
- Swords Dance


Def evs are for if your passing it subs, and let face it, those last 4 evs havent got anywhere better to go lol.


OR


[email protected] Band
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 4 DEF
Adamant Nature
- X-Scissor
- Shadow Claw
- Shadow Sneak
- Aerial Ace

Obligatory CB Set.



Spoiler:
[email protected] Orb *Stalling Ninja*
252 HP / 252 def / 6 SPEED
- Sandstorm
- Double Edge
- Rest
- Substitute

Only use with Abomasnow, t-tar and Hippow support

OLOL

sims796 June 11th, 2008 7:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3663669)
Whos to say you havent been battling compete nubs ? Win records are irrelevant =p. Anyways, i wouldnt say balanced pokemon fail, so to speak, but they wont do certain jobs as good as specialist pokemon, a good example would be Mesprit who can do ANY job basically, from Spiking, to tanking, even sweeping etc vs Hippowdon at physical walling, in comparison of physical walling Mesprit pales to hippow.
[/SPOILER]

No, he meant by making every pokemon cover every base. Those phail in every way. For example, giving Pikachu Substitute just to take a hit, or giving a fragile sweeper survivability. Those fail. Trying to make every pokemon cover all bases weaken it comepletely.

Just let those pokes stick to their stregnths. Don't force them to be all pound when they can't afford to be.

And as Dark said, win records doesn't prove anything. I have a record 0f 35 wins, 32 losses-all from Dark Azelf. Does that mean I'm a bad player? Looks to me like it means I should battle other people :\

Dark Azelf June 11th, 2008 11:53 AM

This is another episode of "Dark_Azelf tries to be creative" haha

Anyways, i noticed Lickilicky has solid base stats and thought it could be pretty tanky due to the base 110 hp / 95 def / 95 sp.def. But it does not have reliable recovery ......or does it ? Well, i noticed it gets a very special move, and is awesome, that being Wish through an event =D. So i though a decent support set would be in order to be an anti metagame poke of sorts =p


[email protected]
212 HP / 220 DEF / 78 Sp.Def
Relaxed Nature
- Thunderpunch / Thunderbolt
- Icy Wind / Knock off
- Wish
- Body Slam


Knock Off/Icy Wind and Body Slam could screw alot of things up imo, Looks to be cool counter to Gyarados aswell hence T-Punch/Bolt.


I could put some evs in att /sp.att, but meh =p


Opinions etc ??

El Gofre June 11th, 2008 11:59 AM

Wow, I never realised the fatty could do anything past rival snorlax at pie eating ;)
But yeah, that set seams quite solid (No pun intended). Wish support is always handy, as is knock-off. I wouldnt use iy wind, since it is cured by a simple switch-out, but since it's not an immediate problem it's hardly forcing a switch like status can. Since you have T-punch/Bolt for paralysis, consider explosion over body slam for a more volatile STAB move ;)

devilicious June 11th, 2008 12:02 PM

I really really like Lickilicky, but you do know that Event-exclusive moves are getting banned, right?

Wait until we have Custap Berry available. Then I'm sure Lickilicky usage will go up.

El Gofre June 11th, 2008 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3664364)
I really really like Lickilicky, but you do know that Event-exclusive moves are getting banned, right?

Wait until we have Custap Berry available. Then I'm sure Lickilicky usage will go up.

Never heard that rule before, I've never played anyone with a problem with using wishbliss :S

devilicious June 11th, 2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3664367)
Never heard that rule before, I've never played anyone with a problem with using wishbliss :S

Shoddy Battle will be implementing that rule soon.
And I doubt we can find good Wishtungs online. ;_;

Dark Azelf June 11th, 2008 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3664364)
I really really like Lickilicky, but you do know that Event-exclusive moves are getting banned, right?

Wait until we have Custap Berry available. Then I'm sure Lickilicky usage will go up.

Its not 100% certain that there will be an event move ban to the best of my knowledge. Nothing has been guaranteedly decided yet. Correct me if im wrong lol

I think its kinda stupid being an event blanket ban tbh, MANY people work hard to get these events and then get told they cant use them ? Yeah, im sure people will listen to that...not, only cause for concern is Tickle wobby really, who wouldnt be a problem if some smart person wouldnt of woke up one morning and say "Imma put Wobby in OU" >_>.


Anyway, until then im gonna abuse event moves lol



Custap berry seems cool, especially on sub-ability pokemon =p

devilicious June 11th, 2008 12:18 PM

I believe their ban has been decided already, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, I imagine Custaplicky to run like

Lickilicky @ Custap Berry
Adamant/Brave
252 HP 252 Atk
- Counter
- Swords Dance
- Explosion
- Gyro Ball/Endure

Counter a hit, get low-health'd, activate Custap, Explode. If you predict a switch, SD. Gyro Ball is for Gengar, Endure for convenience.

Anti June 11th, 2008 12:40 PM

I love Lickilicky. Its support movepool is pretty awesome and it takes hits better than you'd think. You can bulky it up to Celebi's level if you want, which shows it's not too bad. That and everything but ghosts fear that SD Explosion.

Sexycheese June 12th, 2008 3:17 AM

Thank you for the shedinja movesets.
What is custap berry? I have never heard of it :/

Kejmur June 12th, 2008 5:29 AM

I need help with one more thing - Golduck's ability Cloud Nine could be useful on SS and Hail teams, switching off their Special Def (TTar and Hippo won't enjoy taking Focus Blast and Surf without SS cover :D), but there is a problem - how to use him in effective way in OU ? His stats aren't the greatest, but aren't that bad also. Maybe just to use some standard set with Choice Specs or Scarf and pass him Agility, Rock Polish or Nasty Plot/Calm Mind to give him more power ? By standard set I mean:

- Calm Mind/Hypnosis (or Substititute)
- Focus Blast (good combination with Cloud Nine)
- Surf/Hydro Pump (for STAB)
- Ice Beam

Yep, the only difference from standard UU set is Focus Blast used in place of Hidden Power. In other words I thought of maximizing Speed and Special Attack to try to use him as a spiker or with help of Calm Mind to raise his Special Def (but still 80 hp don't help you to use this variant and that's the reason I would prefer to use him as a Weather Switching Spiker). But if you have any idea for using Golduck in other way or just make proposition for EVs (because to tell the truth it's not my strong point) then it would be nice. This variant of Golduck is easily walled by Blissey/Snorlax or Bulky Waters, but I think it's not that bad on other Pokes. Or maybe just to try to use one of Hidden Powers ? Cheers and thx for any help.

Dark Azelf June 12th, 2008 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kejmur (Post 3666009)
I need help with one more thing - Golduck's ability Cloud Nine could be useful on SS and Hail teams, switching off their Special Def (TTar and Hippo won't enjoy taking Focus Blast and Surf without SS cover :D), but there is a problem - how to use him in effective way in OU ? His stats aren't the greatest, but aren't that bad also. Maybe just to use some standard set with Choice Specs or Scarf and pass him Agility, Rock Polish or Nasty Plot/Calm Mind to give him more power ? By standard set I mean:

- Calm Mind/Hypnosis (or Substititute)
- Focus Blast (good combination with Cloud Nine)
- Surf/Hydro Pump (for STAB)
- Ice Beam

Yep, the only difference from standard UU set is Focus Blast used in place of Hidden Power. In other words I thought of maximizing Speed and Special Attack to try to use him as a spiker or with help of Calm Mind to raise his Special Def (but still 80 hp don't help you to use this variant and that's the reason I would prefer to use him as a Weather Switching Spiker). But if you have any idea for using Golduck in other way or just make proposition for EVs (because to tell the truth it's not my strong point) then it would be nice. This variant of Golduck is easily walled by Blissey/Snorlax or Bulky Waters, but I think it's not that bad on other Pokes. Cheers and thx for any help.

Usually in OU, i use


[email protected] Orb
104 Attack / 252 Sp.A / 152 Speed
Mild Nature
- Cross Chop
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Ice Beam
- Hidden power Electric / Hypnosis

244 speed to outspeed Jolly T-Tar. Its kinda a cool set, especially for people who seem to think Blissey and Snorlax are counters lolz.Hidden power hits Gyarados and bulky waters mainly, but Hypnosis is there if you cant get it.

Kejmur June 12th, 2008 6:11 AM

Quote:

What is custap berry? I have never heard of it :/
Thanks for it Pokémon gets to move first just once in a pinch if I'm not mistaken ;).

And...

Quote:

[email protected] Orb
104 Attack / 252 Sp.A / 152 Speed
Mild Nature
- Cross Chop
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Ice Beam
- Hidden power Electric / Hypnosis

244 speed to outspeed Jolly T-Tar. Its kinda a cool set, especially for people who seem to think Blissey and Snorlax are counters lolz.Hidden power hits Gyarados and bulky waters mainly, but Hypnosis is there if you cant get it.
I totally forgot that Golduck have Cross Chop ;). Thanks for set D_A, because it looks really nice and with wish support could be really effective ;).

Sexycheese June 12th, 2008 6:24 AM

Doesnt golduck work better as special sweeper like this?

Leftovers
30 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spd
Modest Nature
With Ability Cloud Nine (Obviosly lol)
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Calm Mind
-Hypnosis

What about that?

sims796 June 12th, 2008 6:34 AM

Then your walled utterly by Blissey. Calm Mind won't stop Seismec Toss.

devilicious June 12th, 2008 7:54 AM

Not to mention Golduck isn't very fast, and with your EV spread it can't take physical hits.

Just use Dark_Azelf's set, which I have used and can say it's definately ♥.

@whoever asked;
Custap is a berry that lets you attack first the next turn after your HP has been lowered down to at least 1/3.

Xairmo June 12th, 2008 12:29 PM

Could I get sets for Regice, Registeel, and Regirock, please? ^.^

devilicious June 12th, 2008 12:38 PM

If you're going to request for simple, standard sets, you should just check Smogon.

Unless you want an opinion on something, that is. Otherwise, someone here will just copypaste a Smogon set.

SmashBrony June 12th, 2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmortified (Post 3663542)
If you're going to use things like Gengar, then, good gosh, man, just build a straightup OU team and build a seperate Ubers team. This is better to ensure success in both tiers instead of trying to make an interchangeable team that quite likely succeeds in neither.

As the others have said, the OUs that work out in Ubers require very different standard sets. Those standard sets don't tend to work out the best in OU. By definition of packing an interchangeable team you're going to need two different variants of the same Pokemon for general success. Which raises the question of why you're not using a seperate team altogether?

Uh....k.....(obiliously I can't explain it way I wanted to, so I just dropping it.)
I'm workin on both teams....for my uber one, would it better to have Spacial rend on my Darkrai instead of Thunder? (i'm running the mixed sweeper set from smogon but it don't mention Darkrai's event moves, Spacial rend & Roar of time.)
I'm also wondering if Scope lens would be a acceptable held item instead of Life orb, due to Spacial rend's high-critial hit ratio....(also, focus punch with a higher critial hit ratio would help....probaly still hax though...)Also, should I have metagross as my psyically defensive pokemon for the standrad team, or leave the heavy psyical hitting to my Garchomp & have a supportive psyically defensive pokemon that can hurt the foe bad when needed, like Forretress or Scizor?

Dark Azelf June 12th, 2008 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akasuna no Sasori (Post 3667003)
Could I get sets for Regice, Registeel, and Regirock, please? ^.^

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252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Calm nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Seismic Toss / Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

yep.

[email protected]
Careful nature
252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Sp.D
- Toxic / Thunderwave
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Stone Edge
- ice Punch / Stealth Rock

Support.

[email protected]
Same spread and nature as above
~ Stone Edge / Rock Slide
~ Hammer Arm / Earthquake
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

Rest-talk.

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Same spread and nature as above
~ Curse
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake / Fire Punch
~ Ice Punch / Rest / Explosion

Curse.

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Relaxed Nature
252 HP / 56 Def / 200 Sp.D
- Thunder
- Ice Punch
- Toxic
- Hammer Arm / Earthquake

Thunder pwns those Skarmory and Forry idiots who go lol set up fodder. It also hits bulk waters hard and owns Gyarados and has a cool paralysis rate. You may use Zap cannon if you are brave >=]. Hammer Arm dominates Porygon-z, T-Tar, and most importantly Magnet Rise Magnezone, whilst EQ hits Metagross, jirachi etc..

Anti will disagree, but BY far the most successful registeel set ive ever used.

Supreme Dirt June 12th, 2008 1:21 PM

Any chance of a Physical set for Darkrai? And don't tell me to use a special set - just give me a physical set.
As well, perhaps a physical Phione set would be nice as well.

Dark Azelf June 12th, 2008 1:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Dirt (Post 3667153)
Any chance of a Physical set for Darkrai? And don't tell me to use a special set - just give me a physical set.
As well, perhaps a physical Phione set would be nice as well.

>_<

[email protected] Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED/ 6 HP
- Swords Dance
- Dark Void
- Brick Break
- Payback / Shadow Claw

Fighting and Ghost hit everything in the game for at least neutral. If you opt for payback, you get a stab move, but get walled by Heracross.

OR

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED/ 6 HP
- Payback
- Pursuit
- Brick Break
- Return / Aerial Ace



[email protected] Band
252 HP / 252 ATT / 6 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- U-Turn
- Return
- Waterfall
- Toxic / <Insert something here due to lack of better options =/>


Or


[email protected] / Life Orb / Wet Rock
252 HP / 252 ATT / 6 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Rain Dance




I dub thee Phiophail and Darkfail !!! XD


Good luck btw, you'll need it lol

devilicious June 12th, 2008 1:49 PM

Eh, Physical Darkrai?

I can think of something like
Darkrai @ Leftovers
Adamant/Jolly ~ 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Swords Dance
- Taunt / Dark Void
- Dark Void / Aerial Ace/ Focus Punch / Rock Slide / X-Scissor / Pursuit / Poison Jab
- Shadow Claw / Focus Punch / Rock Slide / X-Scissor / Pursuit / Poison Jab

Dark Void, SD on the switch, do something with your crappy physical movepool. Or maybe you can make one just to kill Giratina or something. They'll switch Giratina in hoping to absorb the Dark Void, but you SD that turn. Then they'll try to burn you, but you Taunt. Then you kill it Shadow Claw, which also hits Lugia which may try to PHaze you. Not really recommended, but sounds fun to use.

And for Phione, I'd go with;

Phione @ Leftovers / Damp Rock
Adamant ~ 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Toxic / Return / Psych Up / U-Turn

Hydration set. Walled completely by Empoleon. If you don't pack Toxic, it's also walled by Quagsire, Poliwrath, Politoed, Vaporeon. If you don't pack Return, it's walled by Toxicroak. Psych Up may help you copy something's boosts, in case they decide to set up on you. U-Turn helps you get out when one of those Pokémon I mentioned is sent out.

Supreme Dirt June 12th, 2008 2:10 PM

Darkrai @ Leftovers
Adamant 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
(Why did you put Sp. Atk?)
- Swords Dance
- Dark Void
- Pursuit
- Shadow Claw

I think I'll go with this. If I've already SD'd, I'll pursuit them on the switch.
And Shadow Claw owns their Giratina/Mewtwo/Insert Pokemon with low Defense.

Phione @ Leftovers
Adamant ~ 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Return

I'll sub and then Rest it off. This'll mesh well with my Rain Dance team.

devilicious June 12th, 2008 2:19 PM

Oh, my friend came up with an interesting PhyPhione set. We shall call it the Phailone.

Phione @ Toxic Orb/Flame Orb
Adamant ~ 252 Atk / 252 HP / 6 Def
- Waterfall
- Rain Dance
- Rest
- Facade / Fling

Yes, it's pure novelty, but sounds fun. Phione will stay Poisoned every turn, but won't take Poison damage thanks to Hydration, meaning Facade gets even more powerful than Return. If you go with Flame Orb, don't use Facade but Fling, so you can Burn one of the opponent's physical treats.

I'm sure Smogoners would have a field trip to hell and bash this set like there's no tomorrow, but don't we all like some fun sometimes?

Dark Azelf June 12th, 2008 2:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Dirt (Post 3667299)
Darkrai @ Leftovers
Adamant 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
(Why did you put Sp. Atk?)
- Swords Dance
- Dark Void
- Pursuit
- Shadow Claw

I think I'll go with this. If I've already SD'd, I'll pursuit them on the switch.
And Shadow Claw owns their Giratina/Mewtwo/Insert Pokemon with low Defense.

Phione @ Leftovers
Adamant ~ 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Return

I'll sub and then Rest it off. This'll mesh well with my Rain Dance team.

Just a note, one that first set replace Pursuit for Brick break, or Dialga owns you. Dark and Ghost have poor coverage together , so you need a fighting move for coverage, and the day giratina has poor defenses is the day pokemon ends lol

Raff June 12th, 2008 4:29 PM

Hey can I get some help with my team? Here they are.

Vaporeon - Aqua Ring, Shadow Ball/Acid Armor/Haze Surf, Ice Beam.

Arcanine - Extreme Speed, Thunder Fang, Flare Blitz, Flamethrower

Gengar - Thunder Bolt, Shadow Ball, Taunt, Sludge Bomb

Gliscor - Earthquake, Stone Edge, Ice Fang, Stealth Rock/Baton Pass/ U-Turn/Aerial Ace

And now I need two, more pokemon and move set help...I had a Venusaur and a Salemence...but I took those out, just didn't feel like usin' em'. So..please help me? Thanks to all who help me.

devilicious June 12th, 2008 4:54 PM

Raff, you should also tell us their EVs and Natures. Otherwise, it won't be easy to help.

Gulpin June 12th, 2008 6:27 PM

I need a team with the following:
Altaria - HP/Status
Ampharos - Special Sweeper
Umbreon - Physical Sweeper (or whichever one of Eevees evos will work best)
Lickilicky - Physical Wall
Gorebyss - Special Wall
Gallade - Filler/Extra

Raff June 12th, 2008 7:12 PM

Oh, sorry. And I don't and CAN'T Calculate Ev's...heh..never learned...to confusing..and I don't really matter bout' natures much...I don't know what ALL of em; do.

[email protected]
Ability - Water Abosrb
Nature:Gentle
Shadow Ball/Acid Armor/Haze
Aqua Ring
Ice Beam
Surf/Water Pulse

[email protected](don't have a held item.)
Nature: Adament
Ability - Flash Fire
Flamethrower
Flare Blitz
Thunder Fang
Extreme Speed

[email protected] Sludge
Ability - Levitate
Nature: Hasty
Taunt
Thunderbolt
Sludge bomb
Shadow Ball

[email protected]'t think of a held item...
Ability - Hyper Cutter
Nature: Bold
Stealth Rock/Aerial Ace/Baton Pass/ U-Turn
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Ice Fang
Earthquake

EDIT: I wasn't sure to ask this or not..but would a Weavile do good in this party?

El Gofre June 12th, 2008 10:53 PM

First off, you really need to nature breed. -Att on glisor? Arcanine's the only one that's right atm.

Sexycheese June 13th, 2008 1:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3663864)
And as Dark said, win records doesn't prove anything. I have a record 0f 35 wins, 32 losses-all from Dark Azelf. Does that mean I'm a bad player? Looks to me like it means I should battle other people :\

Well, I dont battle noobs as it is no fun
But then again, my win record could be inacurate as I battle Lutia 50% of the time and I think Dark Azelf and Gofre know what a noob she is like LMAO :)

(Speaking of her I had another Epic battle, Luvdisk v Feebas.......

......Legend...)

kody June 13th, 2008 5:39 AM

PD WiFi Team
 
HI, I think I accidentally posted this as a topic, but it did not get accepted. Here's what I wanted to post, and I think that this is the right place.
I would like to make a team for my Poke'Mon Diamond. I want a nice and balanced team to use for WiFi battles. Here are some of the poke'mon that I would like to use:
Keep in mind, if there is a Diamond Pokemon that would HAVE to repleace one of these, then I will use it because I am not yet that familiar with the new PD Pkmn because I've been at the BF on Emerald for a very long time.

Torkoal - Tank?
Def Evs, Attack Evs, HP
Iron Defence
Flamethrower
-----
-----


Starmie - Special Sweeper?
Speed, Spec. Attk., HP
Surf
---
---
---


Blissey
Metagross
Ampharos - Already Ev'd for Special attack.



These are Poke'mon taht I would likke in my team, but just because I have them on here, doesn't mean they're gonna be in my team. If there is a Pokemon better, I'll swap it out and try it.
I need a 6th spot also.
If you give me genuine help, I'll provide you with a Masterball.
I am leaving at 5:30 PM EST Time to go on vacation to camp and I would like an answer by then.
Thanks
Kody

airconditioning June 13th, 2008 6:53 AM

Torkoal is kind of a lame tank. He has the defense, but the amount of weaknesses he has (Ground, Rock, and Water, all three very common) make him less than ideal. Not to mention his movepool is pretty small.

Starmie is a pretty good Special Sweeper.

Starmie @ Choice Specs
Modest/ Timid
252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic/ Grass Knot

Specstar. Modest gives you more power, but Timid lets you outspeed Timid Gengar.

Blissey is commonly known as the best special wall in the game. :P

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
252 Def/ 216 SDef/ 40 HP
- Softboiled
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam/ Aromatherapy
- Toxic/ Thunder Wave

Good thing you have Emerald- Seismic Toss is only obtainable through the Emerald Move Tutor. Anyway, Aromatherapy lets you heal teammates, but Ice Beam gives Bliss a second attack and makes her a somewhat decent Garchomp counter, and allows her to hit Gengar. Thunderwave allows you to paralyze foes, but Toxic allows her to stall and is, in my opinion, better.

Metagross @ Choice Band
Adamant
252 Atk/ 244 HP/ 12 Def
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Thunderpunch/ Pursuit/ Bullet Punch

Raw power. Thunderpunch is a third gen Move Tutor move, by the way.

kody June 13th, 2008 8:50 AM

Thank-You for helping me. I'll think about it. I'll think about the MasterBall too, but I need 3 more Poke'Mon. Probably a Physical Sweeper, Maybe a tank...?
AeroDactyl
Atk/Def Evs
-EarthQuake?
-
-
-


I figure if I get an AeroDactyl, and a Dragonite/flying dragon poke'mon, I can use Fly on Dragonite ( i know fly is bad, but I do get random good hits) and then that moment, use EarthQuke on Aerodactyl so I can hit the other 2 opponents without hurting Dragonite. Is Fly worth it? Would I be unbalanced and weak because I have 2 flying types?
I would like a pokemon with decent fire moves, one with decent physical moves, and a pokemon of a type i dont have yet.
----AeroDactyl?
----fire pkmn
----?

I need those 3 more pokemon

Matt-O June 13th, 2008 9:18 AM

Dragonite is flying so EQ won't hurt him anyway. Is this for double battles? I have an Aerodactyl that does pretty well as a physical sweeper. Watch as people tell me this isn't a standard moveset, then watch me not care.

[email protected] Orb
EVs: 252 att, 252 spd, 6 hp Jolly
Thunder Fang
Ice Fang
EQ
Aerial Ace

El Gofre June 13th, 2008 9:18 AM

Never use fly. EVER
Sorry, but it has no use whatsoever.
Anyways, rant over :P
Standard Aerodactyl:
[email protected] Band
Jolly
252Att/216Spd/42HP
EQ
Stone Edge
Fire Fang
Ice Fang
I myself don't run the HP EVs, but apparently they're standard. Some people also run rock slide over Stone edge since it has better accuracy and high flinch rate.

Standard Dragonite:
[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Jolly
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Fire Ounch/Fire Blast
Earthquake
DDNite, quite a beast.

SmashBrony June 13th, 2008 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 3667041)
Uh....k.....(obiliously I can't explain it way I wanted to, so I just dropping it.)
I'm workin on both teams....for my uber one, would it better to have Spacial rend on my Darkrai instead of Thunder? (i'm running the mixed sweeper set from smogon but it don't mention Darkrai's event moves, Spacial rend & Roar of time.)
I'm also wondering if Scope lens would be a acceptable held item instead of Life orb, due to Spacial rend's high-critial hit ratio....(also, focus punch with a higher critial hit ratio would help....probaly still hax though...)Also, should I have metagross as my psyically defensive pokemon for the standrad team, or leave the heavy psyical hitting to my Garchomp & have a supportive psyically defensive pokemon that can hurt the foe bad when needed, like Forretress or Scizor?

Uh...Help please? also, I'm not sure bout blissey...I kinda wanted something that still give good support, but hit harder, like togekiss or vaporeon...(i'm thinking Vaporeon...

The Bringer! June 13th, 2008 3:58 PM

Um, I was wondering if someone would be able to give me a moveset/nature/item for an offensive drapion.

SmashBrony June 13th, 2008 4:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Person (Post 3670506)
Um, I was wondering if someone would be able to give me a moveset/nature/item for an offensive drapion.

Would you like the sweeper or the Choice band set?

Sweeper

Leftovers / Scope Lens Sniper Jolly MovesetEVs~ Swords Dance
~ Night Slash
~ Brick Break / Earthquake
~ Knock Off / Fire Fang
40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Sniper is an amazing ability, especially with all the high CH moves that Drapion possesses. Night Slash is the main STAB attack here. Brick Break is for coverage, particularly against Steels and Tyranitar; Earthquake can also do this. Knock Off will hurt against Heracross and Skarmory, but Fire Fang offers more general damage. Drapion's good Speed and Defense make it a prime candidate for Swords Dancing. The Speed is enough to outspeed base 100 neutral nature Pokémon.

Here's the set I'd use....(I hate the idea of being locked onto 1 move....)

The Hero Without a Name June 14th, 2008 11:13 AM

What would be a good moveset for a Starmie?

devilicious June 14th, 2008 11:36 AM

That depends. Do you want your Starmie to sweep? To counter Infenape, Gyarados and Garchomp? To spin? To take hits? There are a lot of things Starmie can do.

The Hero Without a Name June 14th, 2008 11:45 AM

Ah. Hmmm... That's the main problem I have. I can't decide whether I want him to spin, or sweep (good speed and spatk).

I guess my team could use a special sweeper besides Houndoom.

Ambient June 14th, 2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3672797)
Ah. Hmmm... That's the main problem I have. I can't decide whether I want him to spin, or sweep (good speed and spatk).

I guess my team could use a special sweeper besides Houndoom.

You only really need 1 of each sweeper (1 physical, 1 special and 1 mixed if you want), Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Speed
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

The Hero Without a Name June 14th, 2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambient (Post 3672803)
You only really need 1 of each sweeper (1 physical, 1 special and 1 mixed if you want), Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Speed
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Sounds great. But why doesn't he have psychic? Just wondering.

Ambient June 14th, 2008 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3672808)
Sounds great. But why doesn't he have psychic though? Just wondering.

Doesn't need it, Ice Beam/T-bolt provides better coverage. Psychic has poor coverage, and no pokemon is immune to both Ice Beam and T-Bolt.

*-Donkey In Mr-* June 14th, 2008 11:55 AM

Hi i would like a good moveset for some pokemon

List:
Magnezone
Rotom
Granbull
Togekiss
Meganauim (Chikorita Evo)
And Jynx

And any thing will do like sweppers or anything else i would just like a simple tough team to beat my mates please!

The Hero Without a Name June 14th, 2008 11:56 AM

Oh yeah... especially with all those TTars running around. Thanks!

Lalapizzame June 14th, 2008 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambient (Post 3672813)
Doesn't need it, Ice Beam/T-bolt provides better coverage. Psychic has poor coverage, and no pokemon is immune to both Ice Beam and T-Bolt.

Shedinja's immune to that combination. =D It walls Starmie forever and ever too =D Although you'll probably have something to KO that Ninja. =/

Ambient June 14th, 2008 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dancing Salamence 1.1 (Post 3672822)
Shedinja's immune to that combination. =D It walls Starmie forever and ever too =D Although you'll probably have something to KO that Ninja. =/

My mistake, nothing that gets OHKOed by any entry hazard or Status condition is immune to that combination.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mantyke (Post 3672819)
Hi i would like a good moveset for some pokemon

List:
Magnezone
Rotom
Granbull
Togekiss
Meganauim (Chikorita Evo)
And Jynx

And any thing will do like sweppers or anything else i would just like a simple tough team to beat my mates please!

Do you want a moveset or Ev's and natures?

Azonic June 14th, 2008 3:17 PM

He did say movesets.

Magnezone @ Life Orb
Trait: Magnet Pull
Nature: Modest / Mild
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk / 172 HP / 84 Defense
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [ICE]
- Metal Sound / Explosion / Magnet Rise
- Substitute / Flash Cannon / Thunder Wave

Thunderbolt can 2HKO Blissey when used in conjunction with Metal Sound. Explosion is a good way to attack Blissey as well. Magnet Rise evades ground type moves like the ever-so-common Earthquake. Especially evading Dugtrio's Arena Trap and Earthquake and hit it with Hidden Power [ICE]. Flash Cannon is doable, but the coverage isn't. Sometimes it helps with Rock types that carry Earthquake, but meh. Thunderwave is self explanitory, whereas Substitute evades Explosion damage and status moves that threaten Magnezone.

Rotom @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
Nature: Timid
Evs: 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Thunderbolt / Discharge
- Will-o-wisp / Thunder Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [ICE/FIGHT]

Pretty decent sweeper in UU. There's also a Trickspecs moveset.

Granbull @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 Attack / 172 HP / 84 Defense
- Body Slam / Return
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Crunch / Ice Fang

Slow and fragile, but Intimidate keeps its defenses up so it can withstand a physical hit. Body Slam is in hopes of paralyzing the opponent so Granbull can outrun / get a free switch in and hit really hard.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
Nature: Modest / Calm
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk / 172 Sp.Def / 84 Speed
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Thunder Wave / Body Slam
- Roost / Softboiled

Standard ParaFlinch set. Togekiss abuses Serene Grace with this moveset. Body Slam hits physically even with its weak Attack stat, but still gets a 60% paralyze chance. Thunder Wave is if you're lazy like that. Paralyze has 25% chance each turn for the opponent to skip their own turn (it can't move). Combined with Air Slash's 60% chance of flinching (Serene Grace), the opponent has only a 15% chance of attacking each turn (100-60-25=15). Roost is just annoying. Tri Attack is an alternative move in this moveset.

Meganium @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
Nature: Bold
Evs: 252 HP / 172 Defense / 84 Sp.Def
- Energy Ball
- Aromatherapy / Hidden Power [ELECTRIC/ICE]
- Grasswhistle / Light Screen / Reflect / Leech Seed / Synthesis
- Grasswhistle / Light Screen / Reflect / Leech Seed / Synthesis

Jynx @ Leftovers
Trait: Forewarn
Nature: Modest / Timid
Evs: 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Icebeam
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Lovely Kiss

devilicious June 14th, 2008 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raikazu (Post 3673195)
Paralyze has 25% chance each turn for the opponent to skip their own turn (it can't move). Combined with Air Slash's 60% chance of flinching (Serene Grace), the opponent has only a 15% chance of attacking each turn (100-60-25=15).

That's not percentages work. :B
They have a 30% chance of attacking when Paralyzed and hit by a Serene Grace'd Flinching move. (It's 100% - 25% = 75%, then 40% of 75% = 30%)

Anti June 14th, 2008 3:42 PM

That and flinch hax Togekiss is a luck-reliant "strategy" that is very unreliable and is totally inferior to BP and Nasty Plot sweeper sets Togekiss can run. That, and people will just try their luck to stall you out, which works more often than not. It's just a waste of a team slot IMO.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Spd / 152 SAtk (if I remember that right)
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Nasty Plot
- Roost

It's great. Almost nothing really walls this well, and pass it some speed or a substitute and it's really unstoppable.

I've also heard it runs a nasty CB set with Hustle, but I haven't tried it out.

And a quick little opinion on Maggy, it generally likes sub to avoid Bronzong Hypnosis and whatnot. That and it grants protection against any attack except maybe Bonemerang (lol). Maggy Rise is pretty much necessary or you get walled a lot easier and killing steels is a lot tougher (though with Shed Shell it's already hard enough).

luke June 14th, 2008 3:56 PM

Zapdos and Rotom wall Togekiss completely, so make sure you scout your opponent's team for them first before setting Togekiss up.

dragonfyre173 June 14th, 2008 4:30 PM

Hey, could I have a team that's just overall good for OU? I don't want ANY Ubers.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 4:31 PM

Can I get movesets for the following?;

Typhlosion
Heracross
Skarmory
Blissey
Starmie
Not sure what should go in the last spot.

Yeah, so I need alot of help. XD
My only essential pokemon is Typhlosion so any changes made to the others are fine. =D

dragonfyre173 June 14th, 2008 4:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Bastion (Post 3673319)
Can I get movesets for the following?;

Typhlosion
Heracross
Skarmory
Blissey
Starmie
Not sure what should go in the last spot.

Yeah, so I need alot of help. XD
My only essential pokemon is Typhlosion so any changes made to the others are fine. =D

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
Smogon is your friend! Also, for the last spot, try a support pokemon.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonfyre173 (Post 3673328)
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
Smogon is your friend! Also, for the last spot, try a support pokemon.

Yeah but I'd like a cohesive team. I'm unsure of which particular movesets to use that would compliment the other pokemon's moves. Or even if that a certain pokemon is a viable option for my team.

Zowayix June 14th, 2008 5:01 PM

My friend and I are doing an NU-tier battle just for the heck of it, and I need a good moveset for my Bidoof.

Current moveset:
Bidoof @ Shell Bell
Return
Aqua Tail
Superpower
Amnesia

Angelic Diablo June 14th, 2008 5:19 PM

I believe Bidoof is NFE, unless of course you meant Bibarel

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Adament/Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Simple
-Double Edge/Return
-Waterfall
-Superpower
-Quick Attack

Simple doubles all stat changes made, so if you pass him a SD it essentially passes 2 to him (unless my understanding is off). Quick Attack is there to finish off weakened foes (Focus Sashers). The rest is because that's pretty much all he can do

devilicious June 14th, 2008 5:24 PM

You're quite right Angelic Diablo.

I still recommend running Super Fang on all Bibarel sets- it's just that awesome of an attack.

Also, it's worth mentioning Pluck, which OHKO's Breloom and Heracross even without the SD. You could always run Amnesia and get a +4 Sp. Def boost. Bibarel also learns Taunt, another simply awesome move.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 5:27 PM

I'm guessing that you want the Typhlosion as a Special Sweeper??

[email protected]
Rash
252 SAtk/ 238 Speed/ 20 HP OR (Pref.) 252 SAtk / 238 Speed / 8 HP / 8 Defense
- Fire Blast
- Eruption
- Sunny Day / ???
- Solar Beam (Only If You Use Sunny Day, or have your other pkmn use it during double battle)

devilicious June 14th, 2008 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673416)
I'm guessing that you want the Typhlosion as a Special Sweeper??

[email protected]
Rash
252 SAtk/ 238 Speed/ 20 HP OR (Pref.) 252 SAtk / 238 Speed / 8 HP / 8 Defense
- Fire Blast
- Eruption
- Sunny Day / ???
- Solar Beam (Only If You Use Sunny Day, or have your other pkmn use it during double battle)

Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

I recommend a lead Typhlosion with Choice Scarf;
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Blaze
252 Sp. Atk / 144 Atk / 112 Speed
Mild/Rash
- Eruption
- Focus Punch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

A full powered Eruption is something to fear when coming from an above average Special Attack, backed up with Choice Scarf and 112 Speed EVs, outspeeding Base 130 Pokémon.

The Atk EVs allow your prediction to pay off by 2HKOing Blissey, in case the oponent switches her in to take the Eruption.

Overheat is for whenever your Eruption isn't powered up anymore due to residual damage [Typhy is weak to Stealth Rock], HP Ice for those pesky Dragons. You could change Overheat or HP for Earthquake to kick Heatran's balls in case it comes trying to absorb your Eruption, but a Focus Punch also cripples it pretty badly.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673448)
Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

I recommend a lead Typhlosion with Choice Scarf;
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Blaze
252 Sp. Atk / 144 Atk / 112 Speed
Mild/Rash
- Eruption
- Focus Punch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

A full powered Eruption is something to fear when coming from an above average Special Attack, backed up with Choice Scarf and 112 Speed EVs, outspeeding Base 130 Pokémon.

The Atk EVs allow your prediction to pay off by 2HKOing Blissey, in case the oponent switches her in to take the Eruption.

Overheat is for whenever your Eruption isn't powered up anymore due to residual damage [Typhy is weak to Stealth Rock], HP Ice for those pesky Dragons. You could change Overheat or HP for Earthquake to kick Heatran's balls in case it comes trying to absorb your Eruption, but a Focus Punch also cripples it pretty badly.

Sweet. Thanks alot Deviruchi.

Any pokemon that would work particularly well in tangent with Typhlosion?

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:22 PM

Since Typhlosion is weak to SR, packing a Rapid Spinner is usually a good choice.

Blissey, Snorlax and Milotic all wall it- so having something to destroy them usually pays off, too. Blissey and Snorlax have problems against Machamp, while I recommend using Starmie to take care of Milotic.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673448)
Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

1) Why not?
2) I stated that it would work better if a partner pokemon used before you sent out the Typho, or if a partner Pokemon used it during Double Battle
3) Typo
4) Typho has rather low defence, and you don't want some phyical sweeper ground typed Pokemon KOing you with Eq
5) Again, why not?
6) Excuse me, for not being up-to-date on terms, and a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer, is just a type of Special Sweeper, is it not?

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
1) Why not?

Because you don't have a single Atk-based move. So why not use Modest?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
2) I stated that it would work better if a partner pokemon used before you sent out the Typho, or if a partner Pokemon used it during Double Battle

Then don't put it in the moveset.

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
4) Typho has rather low defence, and you don't want some phyical sweeper ground typed Pokemon KOing you with Eq

They will already OHKO you even with that investment. It's not worth having fake survival hopes when you could be outspeeding more Pokémon.

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
5) Again, why not?

You'll take too much damage from SR to use effectively. Unless this is a leading Typhlosion, in which case the set I posted is superior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
6) Excuse me, for not being up-to-date on terms, and a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer, is just a type of Special Sweeper, is it not?

Last time I checked, Special Sweepers needed type coverage.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673661)
Because you don't have a single Atk-based move. So why not use Modest?

Modest could be an option, but the moveset doesn't need special defense either.

Then don't put it in the moveset.

TM 11, yes, Typholusion does learn it.

Last time I checked, Special Sweepers needed type coverage.

It covers every type it can that it is weak against.

All of my remarks are posted in bold in the above quote.

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
Modest could be an option, but the moveset doesn't need special defense either.

...and you even added HP EVs. It's better to take less damage than taking more, especially since you won't be losing anything with Modest. It's not an option.

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
TM 11, yes, Typholusion does learn it.

Yes, but it could have Hidden Power [Ice] or Focus Blast in that moveslot.

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Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
It covers every type it can that it is weak against.

Yeah, what about other fire types? :B
You don't need to cover only types you're weak against- scoring SE hits against walls is just as important.

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 1:19 AM

Devi is right, sunnybeam sucks. The boost to fire moves is minimal and solarbeam is a sucky move with terrible coverage. It also makes you extremely predictable with 3 of your 4 moves already open to the public. Heatran walls you no end too. Use the set devi suggested.

. June 15th, 2008 1:22 AM

Making up a team of Pokemon using movesets that are either using their weakest stat (such as Specslax) or just weird movesets/EVs. This team will probably be novelty, but I need some help.

Here is a Tyranitar I'm working on:

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
232 SpA, 62 Spe, 216Att
Hasty Nature
Dynamic Punch
Dragon Pulse
Crunch
Thunderbolt

Meh, maybe this will be unheard of and hopefully unused currently.

Snorlax @ Choice Specs
252 HP, 252 SpA, 6 Def
Modest Nature
Blizzard/Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Snorlax has an excellent Special movepool, so why not? Confused at what to use; Base 120 attacks for power, or Base 95 for accuracy. Lax needs all the power he can get with that sagging 65 Base SpA

Blissey @ Life Orb
252 HP, 252 Att, 6 Def
Adamant Nature
Double Edge
Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Softboiled

Awesome coverage xD. Life Orb so I can Softboiled.

Alakazam @ Focus Sash
252 Def, 202 HP, 56 SpD
Calm
Safeguard
Reflect
Light Screen
Thief

Walling Zam is awesome. If I can get up all three, I can sweep, sweep, sweep with everyone else.

Gengar @ Life Orb
252 Att, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Adamant
Shadow Claw
Focus Punch
Substitute
Ice Punch

Nothing can wall the mad attack of physical GENGAR!

Infernape @ Leftovers
252 Def, 252 SpD, 6 HP
Bold
Protect
Will O Wisp
Slack Off
U-Turn

Inferwall. Slack Off gives me instant heal. Will O Wisp lets me halve enemy attack stats. Protect for scouting and U-Turn to switch in a counter.

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 1:29 AM

I'm sorry, but deliberately misusing pokes does not warrent a rate. If they were novelty yet plausible i would, but as it stands there is no point with half of those pokes.

Aquilae June 15th, 2008 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tyranitar
stuff

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Hasty 252 Speed/64 SpA/194 Att

Ice Beam
Fire Blast
Crunch
Stone Edge/Earthquake

Standard MixScarfTar, OHKOs stuff like Gar.


Snorlax @ Choice Specs
252 HP, 252 SpA, 6 Def
Modest Nature
Blizzard/Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Snorlax has an excellent Special movepool, so why not? Confused at what to use; Base 120 attacks for power, or Base 95 for accuracy. Lax needs all the power he can get with that sagging 65 Base SpA


What >.>


Blissey @ Life Orb
252 HP, 252 Att, 6 Def
Adamant Nature
Double Edge
Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Softboiled

Awesome coverage xD. Life Orb so I can Softboiled.


What >.>

Alakazam @ Focus Sash
252 SpA/252 Speed/6 HP
Timid
Counter
Encore
Psychic
GK

CounterEncoreSash is way cooler.

Gengar @ Choice Band
252 Att, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Adamant
Shadow Claw
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt/Poison Jab
Ice Punch

NEEDS CB, cannot be emphasised more.


Infernape @ Leftovers
252 Def, 252 SpD, 6 HP
Bold
Protect
Will O Wisp
Slack Off
U-Turn

Inferwall. Slack Off gives me instant heal. Will O Wisp lets me halve enemy attack stats. Protect for scouting and U-Turn to switch in a counter.


Gofre I did that half which has point =P

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 2:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3674232)
Gofre I did that half which has point =P

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Zowayix June 15th, 2008 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3673395)
I believe Bidoof is NFE, unless of course you meant Bibarel

Thanks for the moveset, but I really did mean Bidoof. I said I was going to do a NU-tier battle.
And I think Simple only works for moves used ON it and not baton passed to it.

By the way, what does NFE mean?

Ambient June 15th, 2008 6:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Zowayix (Post 3674623)
Thanks for the moveset, but I really did mean Bidoof. I said I was going to do a NU-tier battle.
And I think Simple only works for moves used ON it and not baton passed to it.

By the way, what does NFE mean?

NFE = Not fully evolved, NU tier is never used. Bidoof is NFE, something like Parasect is NU.

airconditioning June 15th, 2008 7:56 AM

I think that Pokemon are only placed in the NFE tier if they are exactly like their evolutions. For example, Sneasel is NFE, as he is simply an underpowered Weavile. Someone like Porygon2, however, is considered UU (I think) because he's bulkier than his epileptic evolution. And I shouldn't have to bring up Scyther.

Since Bidoof doesn't have the secondary Water typing of Bibarel, he's considered a different Pokemon, and placed in a relevant tier.

I think. :/

. June 15th, 2008 9:30 AM

Inferwall was win :( But I actually am interested in Scarftar. Is it better than CB at leads considering the extra speed?

KantoJohto June 15th, 2008 5:47 PM

Can someone help me for a moveset for a Salamence? I generally want him to be a mixed sweeper since I have 2 special sweepers and 1 physical sweeper. Any ideas?


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