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devilicious June 15th, 2008 5:54 PM

Standard Smogon Mixmence. Time to increase my postcount, thanks to you lazy people!

Salamence @ Life Orb
120 Atk / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Intimidate
Mild/Rash
-Brick Break
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast / Flamethrower
-Dragon Claw / Crunch / Roost

BBreak, Meteor and your fire attack will hit everything for huge amounts of damage. Your fourth move is recommended to be one of those: Dragon Claw is for a more reliable Dragon-typed move. Crunch is for Cresselia and Dusknoir. Roost is there in case you want to recover some Life Orb damage.

Lalapizzame June 15th, 2008 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3676298)
Standard Smogon Mixmence. Time to increase my postcount, thanks to you lazy people!

Salamence @ Life Orb
120 Atk / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Intimidate
Mild/Rash
-Brick Break
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast / Flamethrower
-Dragon Claw / Crunch / Roost

BBreak, Meteor and your fire attack will hit everything for huge amounts of damage. Your fourth move is recommended to be one of those: Dragon Claw is for a more reliable Dragon-typed move. Crunch is for Cresselia and Dusknoir. Roost is there in case you want to recover some Life Orb damage.

Dragon Claw is not breaking any walls and isn't really needed. =/ Losing Roost and being in Sandstorm with Life Orb is suicidal. >=O Crunch can be used though for those two though. =]

4gotten kazama June 15th, 2008 7:40 PM

Well I only have 3 that Im askin about before I get a good understandin

Wobbufett-whats the best nature? what should I focus evs on and is his basic moveset good?

Bastiodon,Rampardos-I dont kno to much about them jus need to kno prefered natures and movesset

Thanks and sorry if Im doin it wrong

airconditioning June 15th, 2008 8:05 PM

For Wobbuffet, it depends. Jolly Wobbuffet can outrun most walls and PP stall them to death. If you want to go standard Wobba, go with a +Def or +SDef nature, and invest EVs in both defenses.

Bastiodon, don't bother. It's 4x weak to Fighting and Ground, two types that are extremely common.

As for Rampardos, go with ScarfDos. He can outrun a number of faster threats, such as Gengar. Go with...

Rampardos @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
- HEAD SMAAAAASH
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Pursuit/ Focus Punch

It's possible to put Stone Edge over Head Smash, but doing so would void your rights of being a man. Seriously, you may as well put on your bikini and go sunbathing.

4gotten kazama June 15th, 2008 9:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3676606)
For Wobbuffet, it depends. Jolly Wobbuffet can outrun most walls and PP stall them to death. If you want to go standard Wobba, go with a +Def or +SDef nature, and invest EVs in both defenses.


As for Rampardos, go with ScarfDos. He can outrun a number of faster threats, such as Gengar. Go with...

Rampardos @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
- HEAD SMAAAAASH
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Pursuit/ Focus Punch

It's possible to put Stone Edge over Head Smash, but doing so would void your rights of being a man. Seriously, you may as well put on your bikini and go sunbathing.

all noted and thanks could u explain how wobb would outrun most threats and walls/pps also is leftovers the best hold items for him? if this is to much jus pm it to me and still thanks again...

Sexycheese June 16th, 2008 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3669365)
Never use fly. EVER
Sorry, but it has no use whatsoever.
Anyways, rant over :P
Standard Aerodactyl:
[email protected] Band
Jolly
252Att/216Spd/42HP
EQ
Stone Edge
Fire Fang
Ice Fang
I myself don't run the HP EVs, but apparently they're standard. Some people also run rock slide over Stone edge since it has better accuracy and high flinch rate.

Standard Dragonite:
[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Jolly
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Fire Ounch/Fire Blast
Earthquake
DDNite, quite a beast.

I was looking back on old posts and I found this about aerodactal, I have to say I dissagree about fly. In most cases nyes it is really bad but it can be used for the pressuredayctal stratagy (I take no credit for this moveset as yet I know not who came up with it)

Leftovers
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
Ability: Pressure
-Substitute
-Protect
-Fly
-Rock Slide/Earthquake

I use this in UN and I find this can irritate oppoments greatly, simply wear down their pp while evadeing attack! (Good fo a poke that you are having trouble with :) )

sims796 June 16th, 2008 7:38 AM

Or, they can switch out to an appropriate counter while you are up in the air. Bad enough Aero is fragile. Then weak to Taunt. Hell, that's Gya weak. Aero should never be Gya weak. While you Fly, I can either

-Switch out
-Charge up
-Taunt when you come down
-Smash you hard as soon as you land, breaking your weak sub.

mirelx16 June 16th, 2008 9:10 AM

what yall think?
 
My Diamond Team (tell me what you think):

1. Sparky (Luxray) LVL 100
Modest
1. Discharge
2. Thunderbolt
3. Iron Tail
4. Crunch

2. Spikey (Rhypherior) LVL 100
Impish
1. Earthquake
2. Stone Edge
3. Swords Dance
4. Megahorn

3. Milo (Milotic) LVL 100
Bold
1. Surf
2. Ice Beam
3. Recover
4. Hypnosis

4. Razly (Roserade) LVL 100
Timid
1. Sunny Day
2. Weather Ball
3. Leaf Storm
4. Sludge Bomb

5. Blaze (Charizard) LVL 100
Adamant
1. SolarBeam
2. Seismic Toss
3. Flamethrower
4. Fly

6. Zues (Arceus) LVL 100
Rash
1. Judgment
2. Aeroblast
3. Hydro Cannon
4. Frenzy Plant
^
I was thikin about replacing Arceus with a Sableye with the movies Lock-on, Fissure, Sheer cold, Horn Drill. Naughty Nature...

airconditioning June 16th, 2008 9:38 AM

Anything can beat the Elite Four, so this doesn't really warrant a rate.

sims796 June 16th, 2008 9:50 AM

A team of 5 Magikarps & a Weedle, carefully EV'ed to lvl 100, can barely crash your game, as they will destroy the elite four.'

I may be exaggerating, but I'm too scared to try.

Sexycheese June 17th, 2008 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3677786)
A team of 5 Magikarps & a Weedle, carefully EV'ed to lvl 100, can barely crash your game, as they will destroy the elite four.'

I may be exaggerating, but I'm too scared to try.

Well....I beat the elite 4 with 5 feebass's at lv 65 :) (no idea why I did it lol)

KantoJohto June 17th, 2008 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3676298)
Standard Smogon Mixmence. Time to increase my postcount, thanks to you lazy people!

Salamence @ Life Orb
120 Atk / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Intimidate
Mild/Rash
-Brick Break
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast / Flamethrower
-Dragon Claw / Crunch / Roost

BBreak, Meteor and your fire attack will hit everything for huge amounts of damage. Your fourth move is recommended to be one of those: Dragon Claw is for a more reliable Dragon-typed move. Crunch is for Cresselia and Dusknoir. Roost is there in case you want to recover some Life Orb damage.

I like this set but only problem is that I am playing the 3rd generation games, since I don't have a DS, my sister does but she plays with Pokemon Pearl

Dark Azelf June 17th, 2008 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4gotten kazama (Post 3676731)
all noted and thanks could u explain how wobb would outrun most threats and walls/pps also is leftovers the best hold items for him? if this is to much jus pm it to me and still thanks again...

Jolly 252 SPEED, Switch in on Stealth Rock or some other dum move and Safeguard to protect from status and Encore =D. Remove all their non-attack move pp and force them to either struggle or attack and you counter/ mirror coat them to death.

Set is

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SPEED / 6 sp.def
Jolly Nature
- Safeguard
- Encore
- Counter
- Mirror Coat


You can put the def evs in Hp aswell or sp.def if you wish, depending on which sort of hits you want it to take.


Next, this is your Standard set.

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Encore
- mirror Coat
- Counter
- Safeguard / Charm


And lastly, evil set

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Tickle
- Counter
- mirror Coat
- Encore

Best way to abuse this abusive set is to use it in conjunction with a Powerful CB Pursuit user such as T-Tar or Weavile, or even Scizor. Encore something stupid and Tickle, so they get -6 att and - 6 def,switch in your CBander and Pursuit them as they switch.

Bear in mind, a -6 def Pursuit basically ohko's Skarmory =X, scary huh ?



Please dont use this blue blob against me.......EVER >=[. Seriously, dont.

Zowayix June 17th, 2008 3:03 PM

Can someone please give me a good moveset for Bidoof? (see my posts 1 page back)

Sexycheese June 17th, 2008 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zowayix (Post 3681337)
Can someone please give me a good moveset for Bidoof? (see my posts 1 page back)

Bidoof? I dont know much about that but lets have a go....I presume it has a similar moveset to bibareal? so I will recomend a moveset aimed at him

Ok here goes.....

Choice Band
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant/Lonely Nature
Ability: Unaware
-Return
-Waterfall
-Superpower
-Rollout

Hate to say it but after looking at bidoof my opinion is negative, it sucks

El Gofre June 18th, 2008 8:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zowayix (Post 3681337)
Can someone please give me a good moveset for Bidoof? (see my posts 1 page back)

In answer to your earlier question NFE= Not fully Evolved.

Secondly, NU isnt really a tier. A set of crap pokemon essentially tackling each other doesnt make for an exciting game. Even in NU bidoof sucks, there are plenty of evolved NUs that will kill it off.

sims796 June 18th, 2008 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3682364)
Bidoof? I dont know much about that but lets have a go....I presume it has a similar moveset to bibareal? so I will recomend a moveset aimed at him

Ok here goes.....

Choice Band
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant/Lonely Nature
Ability: Unaware
-Return
-Waterfall
-Superpower
-Rollout

Hate to say it but after looking at bidoof my opinion is negative, it sucks

You underestimate it. Not that your set is phail, it ain't, butyou left out some very good options


A few options are

Super Fang

It instantly removes HALF of the opponents HP. ER'Y TIME. If they have 400 HP, they instantly fall to 200. Use it again, back to 100. Once more, 50. And so on.

Unaware

Makes his job so much easier when your enemy, (for example, Cradily), boost their stats enough (like using Barrier), only for those charges to be IGNORED.

Simple

Sweepers would kill for this ability. Using Charge Beam, & getting the Boost, would get your Sp.Atk by TWO levels, not just one. It doubles the stat increases.


Those cannot be ignored.



EDIT:Oh, BIDOOF! I thought Bibarel. Still, mah point stands.

Zowayix June 18th, 2008 9:53 AM

ok ignore my bidoof request, I have a better pkmn for my NU team now.

Outlawed June 19th, 2008 5:56 AM

I want to make a team with these pokes
T-Tar, Garchomp, Gliscor, Empoleon, Starmie, Blissey.
Any thoughts?

Sexycheese June 19th, 2008 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlawed (Post 3685574)
I want to make a team with these pokes
T-Tar, Garchomp, Gliscor, Empoleon, Starmie, Blissey.
Any thoughts?

Ok how about these? :)

Tyranitar @Choice Band
60 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Spd
Adamant Nature
ability: Sandstream
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Pursuit/Focus Punch

Garchomp @Life Orb
EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 Spd
Jolly Nature
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Fire Fang

Gliscor @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
Ability: Sand Veil
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace
-Roost
-Knock Off/Stealth Rock

Empoleon @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
-Surf
-Ice Beam/Grass Knot
-Rest
-Sleep Talk


Starmie @Leftovers
EVs: 236 HP / 56 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature
Ability: Natural Cure
-Surf
-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
-Recover

Blissey @Leftovers
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 108 SAtk
Bold Nature
Ability: Natural Cure
-Ice Beam
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy/Thunder Wave/Sing

Lalapizzame June 19th, 2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3685594)
Ok how about these? :)

Tyranitar @Choice Band
176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spd
Adamant Nature
ability: Sandstream
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake/Focus Punch
-Crunch
-Pursuit

Garchomp @Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
-Dragon Claw/Outrage
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Fire Fang

Gliscor @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
Ability: Sand Veil
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace
-Roost
-Knock Off/Stealth Rock/Taunt

Empoleon @Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 6 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
-Surf
-Ice Beam/Grass Knot
-Rest
-Sleep Talk


Starmie @Leftovers
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature
Ability: Natural Cure
-Surf
-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
-Recover

Blissey @Leftovers
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Def /
216 SpD
Bold Nature/Calm Nature
Ability: Natural Cure
-Ice Beam
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy/Thunder Wave/Toxic

Starmie wants 132 SAtk to OHKO 4 HP/0 SpD Garchomp. Blissey also wants more Special Defense this gen because Special hits are getting harder, with Fighting type special attacks, Choice Specs, Life Orb, and Nasty Plot. Garchomp doesn't need those HP EVs and Tyranitar only needs 80 Speed EVs to outrun 4 Speed neutral nature Skarmory and Metagross. You must outspeed Skarmory to 2HKO it with Stone Edge before it Roosts. Pursuit catches fleeing Psychics and makes them faint before they switch to a counter.

Outlawed June 19th, 2008 12:47 PM

Allright thanks, looks similar to the one I had planned, but the Blissey is different. I used a Clam Mind Blissey with more defence.

supersmashbro93 June 19th, 2008 3:53 PM

does anyone have any ideas of a good moveset for a physical sweeping feraligator(bad spelling) i'm kind of stuck

devilicious June 19th, 2008 4:10 PM

You can opt for either a Dragon Dance or a Swords Dance set.
Keep in mind Gyarados does DD much better.

Feraligatr @ Life Orb / Leftovers
EVs: 28 HP / 252 Atk / 228 Spe
Adamant ~ Torrent
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

as for a Swords Dance set, I'd go with;

Feraligatr @ Salac Berry
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly ~ Torrent
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

Feraligatr is quite bulky, so you can hope to get one or two SDs and have the opponent lower your health just enough for Salac to activate, which will activate Torrent too, making Waterfall beastly.

supersmashbro93 June 19th, 2008 4:34 PM

i know what you mean about gyrados but everyone uses it so i don't like it anymore... oh and thanks

sims796 June 19th, 2008 4:39 PM

I love the second set. Gatr has thimgs that Gya & Swampert doesn't, and that's both a stronger Ice move in Ice Punch, Swords Dance, & Torrent. That set plays to his biggest strengths.

Rogue_Ninja June 20th, 2008 1:56 PM

Whats a good nature for the event deoxy so far i have a bold that is saved (my bad)

bold
152
61
156
64
155

and a not saved
modest
139
65
187
64
159

should i keep going and try for something else

Archer June 20th, 2008 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue_Ninja (Post 3689169)
Whats a good nature for the event deoxy so far i have a bold that is saved (my bad)

bold
152
61
156
64
155

and a not saved
modest
139
65
187
64
159

should i keep going and try for something else

Assuming that's a LV 50 Balanced Deoxys, the speed is pathetic (8-9). The SAtk is lovely, though.(30-31). I would keep SRing, but you should check for other opinions.

What IVs should I be aiming for on a +SDef RestTalk Lax?
30+/20+/20+/ x /30+/ x ?

I usually aim for about 20+ in HP, Def and SDef for walls.

KurosakiKun June 21st, 2008 2:41 AM

'Ken Help?

Blaziken @ [Please no choice items if they can be helped!]
Earth Quake
Blaze Kick [Possibly up for a swap, ideally another fire move though]
Brave Bird
Stealth Rock [?]

252 Speed | 152 Sp. Attk | 100 Attk.

Not sure of it's role in the team, maybe the lead?

Sexycheese June 21st, 2008 2:55 AM

Hey guys I need some advice, I am looking for a set for lucario, I am thinking about a special sweeping set but I am not sure. could you give me some movesets please as I am uncertain where to start. Thanks :)

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 21st, 2008 3:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3690800)
Hey guys I need some advice, I am looking for a set for lucario, I am thinking about a special sweeping set but I am not sure. could you give me some movesets please as I am uncertain where to start. Thanks :)

Yeah. here are some movesets for Luke. Well, atleast for Special Sweeper. Physical Sweeper works better but Special is just as strong.

SpecsLuke
Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest <4Def/252SpAtk/252Speed>
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Vacuum Wave/Psychic
Aura Sphere
You'll need to breed with Hitmonchan for Vacuum Wave.

SDLuke
Lucario @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
Adamant <4HP/252ATK/252Speed>
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Extreme Speed/Stone Edge
Crunch/Stone Edge
Physical Attacker. Life Orb gives more Attack boost but inflicts damage to the wearer. I prefer ExtremeSpeed over SE but Crunch and SE are up to you. Both these sets can take out a Cresselia off 1-2 hits. I'd use SDLuke but that's only because my experiences with him have been better. SpecsLuke just annoyed me because of the Choice Specs. You could replace it with Exert Belt but that'll only boost 2 of your moves and will prove to be useless.



Angelic Diablo June 21st, 2008 3:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurosakiKun (Post 3690783)
'Ken Help?

Blaziken @ [Please no choice items if they can be helped!]
Earth Quake
Blaze Kick [Possibly up for a swap, ideally another fire move though]
Brave Bird
Stealth Rock [?]

252 Speed | 152 Sp. Attk | 100 Attk.

Not sure of it's role in the team, maybe the lead?

Sp Atk EVs have no use on that set being as all moves are physical

[email protected] Band/Scarf
Jolly/Adament Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Sky Uppercut/Brick Break
-Flare Blitz
-Stone Edge/Thunderpunch
-Focus Punch/Brave Bird/Thunderpunch

Poor thing is suicidal at best, anyway Brave Bird is mainly for Infernape, whom you only outspeed with a Scarf on, otherwise it doesn't have much use.

If only it got Roost...

Sexycheese June 21st, 2008 3:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Celebi~ (Post 3690824)
Yeah. here are some movesets for Luke. Well, atleast for Special Sweeper. Physical Sweeper works better but Special is just as strong.

SpecsLuke
Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest <4Def/252SpAtk/252Speed>
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse
Vacuum Wave/Psychic
Aura Sphere
You'll need to breed with Hitmonchan for Vacuum Wave.

SDLuke
Lucario @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
Adamant <4HP/252ATK/252Speed>
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Extreme Speed/Stone Edge
Crunch/Stone Edge
Physical Attacker. Life Orb gives more Attack boost but inflicts damage to the wearer. I prefer ExtremeSpeed over SE but Crunch and SE are up to you. Both these sets can take out a Cresselia off 1-2 hits. I'd use SDLuke but that's only because my experiences with him have been better. SpecsLuke just annoyed me because of the Choice Specs. You could replace it with Exert Belt but that'll only boost 2 of your moves and will prove to be useless.


hmmmm........ ok thanks dude :)

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 21st, 2008 3:54 AM

Glad I could help. =] Anyways, PM me if you'd like some more info on Luke. For Special Sweeper I'd rather use Cresselia but Luke works fine.

KurosakiKun June 21st, 2008 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3690873)
Sp Atk EVs have no use on that set being as all moves are physical

[email protected] Band/Scarf
Jolly/Adament Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Sky Uppercut/Brick Break
-Flare Blitz
-Stone Edge/Thunderpunch
-Focus Punch/Brave Bird/Thunderpunch

Poor thing is suicidal at best, anyway Brave Bird is mainly for Infernape, whom you only outspeed with a Scarf on, otherwise it doesn't have much use.

If only it got Roost...

Okay, how about...

Blaziken @ [Pleaase no Choice items!]
Jolly/Adamant
- Brick Break
- Thunderpunch / Blazekick / Focus Punch
- Earthquake
- Roost

| 252 Attk - 252 Spd - 6 HP |

Lalapizzame June 21st, 2008 8:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KurosakiKun (Post 3691335)
Okay, how about...

Blaziken @ [Pleaase no Choice items!]
Jolly/Adamant
- Brick Break
- Thunderpunch / Blazekick / Focus Punch
- Earthquake
- Roost

| 252 Attk - 252 Spd - 6 HP |

How in the world does Blaziken learn Roost? o_O If it could, Gyarados should get Roost. >=O Anyway, maybe you could put Life Orb as the item? Don't use Earthquake on any fighter, provides poor coverage on them. Fire Punch can be >> Blaze Kick for 100% accuracy and little BP loss. Flare Blitz can also be used over Blaze Kick, for both more BP and accuracy. Maybe you should put Swords Dance >> Roost and Baton Pass or Stone Edge over Earthquake.

TFN June 21st, 2008 11:02 AM

Anyone know a good moveset for an Infernape I was thinking about making it mixed not sure and a Moveset for a Garachomp and a Snorlax plz

Closet Geek June 21st, 2008 11:31 AM

Can anyone help me with my Blue team?
 
I'm restarting my Blue Version for an old-school pokemon tournament with my friends. I have a week to get a team together and train. What are your recommendations/most successful teams? The only permanent member of the team would be Charizard, the rest is up to you.

supersmashbro93 June 21st, 2008 2:47 PM

first of all is wobbeffet an uber and whats a good moveset for him

Xairmo June 21st, 2008 2:55 PM

[email protected]
Shadow Tag
Bold/Calm
Evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
~ Counter
~ Mirror Coat
~ Encore
~ Charm / Safeguard

Smogon set. I believe he's OU now.

Dark Azelf June 21st, 2008 3:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceRula (Post 3692032)
Anyone know a good moveset for an Infernape I was thinking about making it mixed not sure and a Moveset for a Garachomp and a Snorlax plz

[email protected] Orb
24 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 232 SPEED
Naive Nature
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Nasty Plot / Hidden power ice
- Grass Knot

OR

[email protected] Band
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly nature
- U-Turn
- Stone Edge
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat


.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-


[email protected]
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 ATT
Careful nature
Trait : Thick Fat
- Body Slam
- Earthquake / Crunch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk


.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-


[email protected] Orb / Yache Berry
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fire Fang
- Swords Dance
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake

OR

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fire Fang / Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw / Stone Edge / Crunch
- Outrage
- Earthquake

OR

[email protected] Scarf
Adamant Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fire Fang / Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw / Stone Edge / Crunch
- Outrage
- Earthquake


Quote:

Originally Posted by supersmashbro93 (Post 3692693)
first of all is wobbeffet an uber and whats a good moveset for him

Jolly 252 SPEED, Switch in on Stealth Rock or some other dum move and Safeguard to protect from status and Encore =D. Remove all their non-attack move pp and force them to either struggle or attack and you counter/ mirror coat them to death.

Set is

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SPEED / 6 sp.def
Jolly Nature
- Safeguard
- Encore
- Counter
- Mirror Coat


You can put the def evs in Hp aswell or sp.def if you wish, depending on which sort of hits you want it to take.


Next, this is your Standard set.

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Encore
- mirror Coat
- Counter
- Safeguard / Charm


And lastly, evil set

[email protected]
252 DEF / 252 SP.DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Tickle
- Counter
- mirror Coat
- Encore

Best way to abuse this abusive set is to use it in conjunction with a Powerful CB Pursuit user such as T-Tar or Weavile, or even Scizor. Encore something stupid and Tickle, so they get -6 att and - 6 def,switch in your CBander and Pursuit them as they switch.

Bear in mind, a -6 def Pursuit basically ohko's Skarmory =X, scary huh ?



Please dont use this blue blob against me.......EVER >=[. Seriously, dont.

Blargtastic808 June 21st, 2008 5:59 PM

Can somebody provide sets that are generally useful for the 3 Deoxys forms? Me and my bro just got back from Gamestop and were wondering what could be some decent sets for each form. I checked Smogon but I don't know which sets to go with. Attack Form I'd prolly go with the first set they list but I'm not sure about Defense Form or Speed Form. Advice?

Aquilae June 21st, 2008 6:16 PM

Actually Smogon has the best sets =P It all depends on your team, but keep in mind only the Speed form is allowed in normal play, the Attack, Defense and Normal forms are banned from normal play, but they are still allowed to compete in Ubers i.e. with everything allowed, so the sets are tailored for the Ubers metagame, with Thunder because of Rain from Kyogre, Shadow Ball for Mewtwo and Lugia and stuff.

I prefer to run more Speed EVs (148 if I remember correctly) to outspeed Scarfed +nature base 95s on Deoxys-Speed, but you should adjust the speed according to your needs. Don't use the Cosmic Wall, it can't do anything honestly ~_~

I got a nice Deoxys-S set that functions like Counterstar(Starmie) countering Garchomp, Gyarados and Mixape as well as not dying to sweeper Gyarados due to its immense speed (Starmie would fall in one hit from Bite as it is outspeeded.

Deoxys-S @ Leftovers
Timid, 252 HP/188 SpA/76 Spe

Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Psychic
Recover

The main problem with this set is that it is weak to Pursuit especially from stuff like Tyranitar, which would not normally switch into it due to Superpower. Anyway I recommend you to stick to the Life Orb Deoxys-S set (the first one) as it is probably the best revenge-killer.

Deoxys-D IMO needs Spikes/SR to not be outclassed by a lot of stuff in general as 50/160/160 defenses aren't that impressive in comparison to Lugia.

Blargtastic808 June 21st, 2008 6:30 PM

alright thanks ^^

I obviously wouldn't use A or D in standard play but having a few trained ubers is always fun :p

Red X June 22nd, 2008 2:39 AM

What are the standard movesets for GLISCOR and Togekiss?

Shiny June 22nd, 2008 3:51 AM

Could I please get a moveset for Honchkrow, and is Jumpluff any good?

Dark Azelf June 22nd, 2008 4:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red X (Post 3694170)
What are the standard movesets for GLISCOR and Togekiss?

Gliscor yay !!!


[email protected]
252 HP / 184 DEF / 72 SPEED
Impish nature
- Ice Fang / Aerial Ace / Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock / Knock off / Taunt

72 speed to outspeed Breloom, Jolly t-tar and Timid Magnezone.

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252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Calm nature
Trait : Serene Grace
- Thunderwave / Body Slam
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Roost

Flinch hax.

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252 HP / 152 Sp.Att / 104 Speed
Modest nature
Trait : Serene Grace
- Nasty Plot
- Aura Sphere
- Air Slash
- Roost

Nasty Plot sweeper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Магия (Post 3694268)
Could I please get a moveset for Honchkrow, and is Jumpluff any good?


[email protected] Band / Choice Scarf
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6hp
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch (<Use with CB) / Night Slash
- Steel Wing
- Drill peck
- Pursuit / Night Slash


OR

[email protected] specs
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest / Timid Nature
- Icy Wind
- psychic
- Hidden power Fighting
- Dark pulse

Alternately, you can go life orb and put Nasty Plot >> Icy Wind.



Yes, Jumpluff is evil =[

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188 Def / 68 Sp.D / 252 Speed
Jolly Nature
- Encore
- Substitute
- leech Seed
- Sleep powder

Sub seeds everything to death. Funny when you switch in Earthquakes and Encore them. Same when you set a sub up on status moves and Encore them too XDD

Zimvee June 22nd, 2008 6:39 PM

can i get a moveset for a Feraligatr and possibly a Flygon?

BigfootTheUnbeatable June 22nd, 2008 6:56 PM

Could I get some movesets for Slowking, Scizor, Kabutops and Mr. Mime?

ABYAY June 22nd, 2008 7:11 PM

[email protected] Band *I'm just as good as the other dragons >.>*
Jolly/Adamant
252atk/252spd/6HP

Earthquake
Dragon Claw
U-Turn/Stone Edge
U-Turn/Fire Blast

It you opt for Fire Blast, go Lonely or Hasty, or even Naughty/Naive. You can also use Choice Scarf. At that point, make it a lead and give it U-Turn for sure. Use Adamant, Lonely, or Naughty at that point.

That's the only one I can name off the bat. Someone will post some sets here later, at least I'm pretty sure.

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 22nd, 2008 9:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigfootTheUnbeatable (Post 3696724)
Could I get some movesets for Slowking, Scizor, Kabutops and Mr. Mime?

Hmmm, let me see. Okay, I've got one for Scizor. Not sure how good it is but meh... could work.

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant <100HP/252ATK/156Speed>
Agility
Iron Head
X-Scissor
Brick Break
This is the set that I was using at one stage. For EV's you could use 108HP/252ATK/148Speed but I prefer the extra Speed EV's. This set would use Swarm as ability.

Alternatively you could use this set:
Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant <232HP/252ATK/26Def>
Swords Dance
Quick Attack
Roost
X-Scissor/Brick Break
You need Technician on this guy to give Quick Attack that extra BP boost. 60 BP over the original 40 isn't shabby eh? These are the best sweeper sets. Then again there are Choice Scarf and Choice Band sets but they're for late sweeping and I've never liked Scizor as a late sweeper. If you'd like to know the other sets, here they are.

Scarfzor @ Choice Scarf
Adamant <
28HP/252Atk/228Speed>
U-Turn
Iron Head
Pursuit/Night Slash
Brick Break/Aerial Ace
If you're using Night Slash and Brick Break then Swarm is the preffered ability but if you're using either Aerial Ace or Pursuit then Technician would work best on this guy.

Bandzor @ Choice Band
Adamant <4HP/252ATK/252Speed>
U-Turn/X-Scissor
Iron Head
Pursuit
Brick Break/Quick Attack
Once again, Swarm for the more powerful moves, Technician for the likes of Quick Attack and Pursuit.

Rhymed June 23rd, 2008 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigfootTheUnbeatable (Post 3696724)
Could I get some movesets for Slowking, Scizor, Kabutops and Mr. Mime?

Meh Two Fave Slowking sets (yes, from smogon) are these.

Physical & Even more slow.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 hp 252 atk 4 def

-Curse
-Zen Headbutt
-Earthquake
-Avalanche

^ is one of my BL standards

and.... teh slowking epicness.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Modest
212 hp 44 def 252 sp.atk

-Calm mind
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Slack Off

^ OWNAGE

Archer June 23rd, 2008 4:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elegant Snake (Post 3697575)
Meh Two Fave Slowking sets (yes, from smogon) are these.

Physical & Even more slow.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Sassy
252 hp 220 SDef 36 Def

-Curse
-Zen Headbutt
-Earthquake
-Avalanche

^ is one of my BL standards

and.... teh slowking epicness.

Slowking @ Leftovers
Sassy
252 HP, 200 Def, 252 SDef

-Calm mind/Nasty Plot
-Ice Beam/HP [Electric]
-Surf
-Slack Off

^ OWNAGE

You will get a usuable (Sp)Atk after a few curses/CMs, so better to work on sturdiness. -Spd Natures can make him the fastest thing in Trick Room.

Closet Geek June 23rd, 2008 7:17 AM

I think my last post was a little too vague. Here's what I'm thinking now for my Blue Version Team:

Charizard:
Fire Spin
Slash
Earthquake
Flamethrower

Victreebel:
Wrap
Stun Spore
Poison Powder/Sleep Powder
Razor Leaf

As for others I'm thinking either Persian or Snorlax, maybe Chansey if I can catch and train one in time for a normal or tank. Other suggestions I've gotten are Lapras, Starmie, Golem, Alakazam, Dugtrio, Jolteon, Electabuzz, etc. I'm still looking for more input though, what do you guys think?

airconditioning June 23rd, 2008 7:32 AM

You can always check out Smogon's RBY Tier List for ideas on sets and such.

Speaking from experience, Persian with Slash is a critical hit monster. Golem and Rhydon are both powerful walls, and Chansey is a montrous Special wall, and since SDef and SAtk are one and the same in RBY, she's also a good Special attacker. And Starmie and Alakazam are monstrous special sweepers.

SmashBrony June 23rd, 2008 6:09 PM

Which one of these set is the hardest to counter?
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/salamence
I was thinking perhaps the mixmence...

sims796 June 23rd, 2008 6:35 PM

The worst part about countering Mence is not knowing what set they have.

Once you know, it's a tad easier.

SmashBrony June 23rd, 2008 6:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3699577)
The worst part about countering Mence is not knowing what set they have.

Once you know, it's a tad easier.

I'm not countering it...I'm wanted the set that's the hardest to counter to use.

Also, I'd like to know what one out of the bulkygyara or the DDgyara is harder to counter....
Here's the page:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/gyarados

ABYAY June 23rd, 2008 6:56 PM

For Salamence, a lack of CBMence is a major surprise for everything, so I actually suggest that since they think "LOLSPECSMENCE GO BLISSEY!". It cries as about 2/3rd of its health is shaved away if you picked Dragon Claw. Then, they gotta send in their physical wall to take a hit as well (or a Steel type if you picked Dragon Claw). Therefore, my answer is Choice Band Salamence. Dragon Claw/Earthquake/Stone Edge/Flamethrower (for downing Skarm/Forretress)

For Gyarados, there are mixed feelings. Bulky Gyarados is easier to counter due to lower speed, but it can switch in and even counter things itself. The DD Sweeper is harder to counter, but you can't get it in very well due to less bulk.

supersmashbro93 June 23rd, 2008 8:41 PM

what something you can do with deoxys

ABYAY June 23rd, 2008 9:24 PM

Deoxys-S (speed), if allowed in OU, can be pretty powerful as a late-game cleaner.

[email protected] Orb/Expert Belt *Bye bye metagame*
Hasty
160atk/252sp.atk/96spd

Psychic
Superpower
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball

This thing really owns things hard. Superpower takes down Tyranitar and Blissey (with Life Orb, the above EVs 2HKO Blissey I believe and OHKO Tyranitar.), Psychic for general STAB, and Ice Beam for Dragons. The last option is personal preference. If Gyarados gives you trouble, then let it eat Thunderbolt, as well as other waters. If for some reason you're so terrified of Shedinja that you must kill it, Shadow Ball is there for it, Cresselia, and Dusknoir.

If Togekiss passes this some Nasty Plot boosts, then it will devastate basically everything.

If you want to take it Ubers, inform here, then sets will come for that.

Mightyena537 June 23rd, 2008 9:48 PM

I need some help forming my team right now I have a Grumpig( lvl 45, Serious Nature, Own Tempo), a Gengar( Lvl 43, Timid Nature, Levitate), a Arcanine(Lvl 61, Jolly Nature, Flash Fire), and a Rampardos( LVL 54, Sassy Nature, Mold Breaker) could you please tell me some good move sets.

ABYAY June 23rd, 2008 10:05 PM

One question: Is this for an in-game team, or is this for competitive battling on wi-fi? I just wanna get that out of the way first.

Ársa June 23rd, 2008 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3699867)
Deoxys-S (speed), if allowed in OU, can be pretty powerful as a late-game cleaner.

[email protected] Orb/Expert Belt *Bye bye metagame*
Hasty
160atk/252sp.atk/96spd

Psychic
Superpower
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball

This thing really owns things hard. Superpower takes down Tyranitar and Blissey (with Life Orb, the above EVs 2HKO Blissey I believe and OHKO Tyranitar.), Psychic for general STAB, and Ice Beam for Dragons. The last option is personal preference. If Gyarados gives you trouble, then let it eat Thunderbolt, as well as other waters. If for some reason you're so terrified of Shedinja that you must kill it, Shadow Ball is there for it, Cresselia, and Dusknoir.

If Togekiss passes this some Nasty Plot boosts, then it will devastate basically everything.

If you want to take it Ubers, inform here, then sets will come for that.

Also note that this destroys Sweeper teams that cannot outspeed it with Choice Scarf, and using Expert Belt I was able to OHKO Blissey using Superpower, running that same spread.

EDIT: Deoxys-E should never be taking on Dusknoir, as almost all run Shadow Sneak.

~T_S

SmashBrony June 24th, 2008 12:27 AM

[quote=ABYAY;3699606]For Salamence, a lack of CBMence is a major surprise for everything, so I actually suggest that since they think "LOLSPECSMENCE GO BLISSEY!". It cries as about 2/3rd of its health is shaved away if you picked Dragon Claw. Then, they gotta send in their physical wall to take a hit as well (or a Steel type if you picked Dragon Claw). Therefore, my answer is Choice Band Salamence. Dragon Claw/Earthquake/Stone Edge/Flamethrower (for downing Skarm/Forretress) Wouldn't you think mixmence is harder to counter because it's not locked onto 1 attack?

For Gyarados, there are mixed feelings. Bulky Gyarados is easier to counter due to lower speed, but it can switch in and even counter things itself. The DD Sweeper is harder to counter, but you can't get it in very well due to less bulk. Hmmm....if I sent out gyarados after a team mate faints, it'd work very well...or I can swicth it into a earthquake...But still....would gyarados be better off as a bulky pokemon?[/quote] Comments in bold. Gah...I'm confused about Gyara....i need a voice of experience..

Ársa June 24th, 2008 12:34 AM

[quote=Porygon-Z;3700077]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3699606)
For Salamence, a lack of CBMence is a major surprise for everything, so I actually suggest that since they think "LOLSPECSMENCE GO BLISSEY!". It cries as about 2/3rd of its health is shaved away if you picked Dragon Claw. Then, they gotta send in their physical wall to take a hit as well (or a Steel type if you picked Dragon Claw). Therefore, my answer is Choice Band Salamence. Dragon Claw/Earthquake/Stone Edge/Flamethrower (for downing Skarm/Forretress) Wouldn't you think mixmence is harder to counter because it's not locked onto 1 attack?

For Gyarados, there are mixed feelings. Bulky Gyarados is easier to counter due to lower speed, but it can switch in and even counter things itself. The DD Sweeper is harder to counter, but you can't get it in very well due to less bulk. Hmmm....if I sent out gyarados after a team mate faints, it'd work very well...or I can swicth it into a earthquake...But still....would gyarados be better off as a bulky pokemon?[/quote] Comments in bold. Gah...I'm confused about Gyara....i need a voice of experience..

He means that with some EV investment, Gyarados is able to come in and Intimidate physical threats, while being able to take damage without be KO'd, the DD up on the possible switch and proceed to sweep. In regards to CB Mence, Mixmence is weaker purely because it doesn't have Choice Band, but it does obviously counter both better, hence it is Mixmence, but ABY was simply giving you an option. CB Mence I prefer as leads over Mixmence. BulkyMence is another option people have been playing with, and I must say I love it.

[email protected]
Jolly
220 HP, 18 Atk, 196 Def, 76 Spd

Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Roost
Earthquake

This can absorb Ice Fangs from the likes of Hippowdon and Roost off damage while DD'ing up, allowing you to sweep. A personal favourite of many of the S&M raters currently.

~T_S

Aquilae June 24th, 2008 12:43 AM

BulkyMence can't wall without a spinner either way, and it NEEDS to attack to guarantee a KO on Luke, which means no recovery either way and LO recoil. Personally I've stopped using it considering that it is inferior to the sweeper sets in my opinion.

I never seen a Blissey switch straight into a Salamence on Shoddy before, most likely they would just switch to a Steel-type first time or they would leave the current pokemon in to scout its moveset.

supersmashbro93 June 24th, 2008 8:34 AM

i need a wall strategy any pokemon will do i not much of a wall person but i guess i need one

how do i get super power on deoxys

Outlawed June 24th, 2008 12:32 PM

I have been trying for ages, to make a well balanced team with Tyranitar, Gyarados and Garchomp. I haven't been able to figure the 3 remaining pokemon.
CB Tar, Bulky Dos, and a Scarfchomp. I need the 3 extra ones figured. thanks.

Mightyena537 June 24th, 2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3699940)
One question: Is this for an in-game team, or is this for competitive battling on wi-fi? I just wanna get that out of the way first.

Its for Wi-fi battle please help me

ABYAY June 24th, 2008 1:37 PM

Alright; first and foremost, some natures need tweaking. Grumpig should be Calm nature since it's most likely your special wall, but you can check here.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/grumpig There's info on Grumpig.

Luckily, Gengar and Arcanine have good natures for their stats. Give Arcanine some physical attacks like Extremespeed, Flare Blitz, Thunder Fang, and a very powerful fire move like Fire Blast or Overheat. Intimidate is generally a better option on Arcanine, but Flash Fire is decent enough if you switch in on a fire attack. Gengar can use something like Hypnosis/Shadow Ball/Focus Blast/Thunderbolt, something along those lines.

Rampardos should be scrapped as well. Sassy is one of the worst natures for it. Jolly/Adamant are the only natures you can really use for it.

Give us their movesets, and we'll give criticism/fixing of them.

SmashBrony June 24th, 2008 3:37 PM

[quote=Tortured_Soul;3700095]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (Post 3700077)

He means that with some EV investment, Gyarados is able to come in and Intimidate physical threats, while being able to take damage without be KO'd, the DD up on the possible switch and proceed to sweep. In regards to CB Mence, Mixmence is weaker purely because it doesn't have Choice Band, but it does obviously counter both better, hence it is Mixmence, but ABY was simply giving you an option. CB Mence I prefer as leads over Mixmence. BulkyMence is another option people have been playing with, and I must say I love it.

[email protected]
Jolly
220 HP, 18 Atk, 196 Def, 76 Spd

Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Roost
Earthquake

This can absorb Ice Fangs from the likes of Hippowdon and Roost off damage while DD'ing up, allowing you to sweep. A personal favourite of many of the S&M raters currently.

~T_S

So....gyarados is better off as a bulky pokemon?
I've decided to use mixmence....it'll work well, since my plan is to weaken my foes with defensive pokemon, then mop the floor with them with my sweepers when my defensive pokemon done their job, or have fainted.

ABYAY June 24th, 2008 3:49 PM

Well, you're using a stall team to weaken them slowly with defensive Pokemon, so yes, Bulky Gyarados is the way to go. Make sure you get other Pokemon with Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Stealth Rock in play as well, and a Rapid Spinner to keep the field cleared of such hazards from your side.

. June 24th, 2008 4:07 PM

You could also use RestTalk Gyarados. It can sponge hits on either side of the damage spectrum, and status does not affect him.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP / 96 Atk / 80 Def / 60 SpD / 20 Spe
~ Waterfall
~ Stone Edge / Dragon Dance
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

SmashBrony June 24th, 2008 4:27 PM

Well, I'm not making just one team...
i'm training random useful pokemons to make multiple teams at once...

Lalapizzame June 24th, 2008 6:35 PM

Would Dusclops be considered UU this generation with Dusknoir and all? Also, I would like a moveset for Dusclops if it's UU. :D

airconditioning June 24th, 2008 6:54 PM

It's not. NFE Pokemon are placed in the same tier as their fully evolved counterparts if they are no different than said counterparts. This is to prevent UU from turning into OU lite (o hai, Sneasel and Chansey!)

Prevos that are different from their evos (Scyther, Dragonair, possibly Clamperl) are placed in their own tier.

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 24th, 2008 7:58 PM

I would like to know which set is better for Dusknoir? CM set is out of the question due to low base SpAtk. RestTalk isn't as good as somneone like Snorlax. So should I use CBnoir or Anti-Spinoir? The sets for them are as follows:
Dusknoir @ Choice Band
Adamant 252HP/252Attack/6Speed
Shadow Sneak/Shadow Punch
Thunderpunch
Icepunch/Thunderpunch/Pursuit
Earthquake

My only question is, if I can teach Dusclops the elemental punches on Emerald, migrate it over and breed with my adamant Ditto, if Duskull will learn it? I'm not really sure how else to teach it as breeding on Emerald may take a while.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Thunderpunch
Shadow Sneak
W-o-W
Pain Split
No questions here. Once again, the elemental punches are the only true problem. Everything else is learnt through level up so this would be my preferred set. Plus, no choice items here.

Xairmo June 24th, 2008 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Celebi~ (Post 3701958)
I would like to know which set is better for Dusknoir? CM set is out of the question due to low base SpAtk. RestTalk isn't as good as somneone like Snorlax. So should I use CBnoir or Anti-Spinoir? The sets for them are as follows:
Dusknoir @ Choice Band
Adamant 252HP/252Attack/6Speed
Shadow Sneak/Shadow Punch
Thunderpunch
Icepunch/Thunderpunch/Pursuit
Earthquake

My only question is, if I can teach Dusclops the elemental punches on Emerald, migrate it over and breed with my adamant Ditto, if Duskull will learn it? I'm not really sure how else to teach it as breeding on Emerald may take a while.

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Thunderpunch
Shadow Sneak
W-o-W
Pain Split
No questions here. Once again, the elemental punches are the only true problem. Everything else is learnt through level up so this would be my preferred set. Plus, no choice items here.

You can get the elemental punches on Dusknoir by giving a heartscale to the move tutor in Diamond and Pearl as well.

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 24th, 2008 8:34 PM

You can? Awesome! I didn't know that so I was just trying to check up on that. Now, is there a way of getting more than 1 reaper cloth in-game? My friend was training some of my pokemon and I told him to toss away some items but I think he tossed away the Reaper Cloth as well.

airconditioning June 24th, 2008 8:46 PM

CBDusknoir has weak moves coming off of base 100 Atk. Can you say 'easily walled'? It's bulky as all hell, but really.

The Anti-Spinner set is great, though, if only for Will-o-Wisp. Dusk makes a great mixed wall, especially with the ability to instantly cripple any physical attacker in his way.

And no, there's only one Reaper Cloth in the game. You could always get another from PBR, though. Or just trade for another one.

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 25th, 2008 1:05 AM

Yay, you can actually get 2. One in route 229 the other in the Turnback Cave after you catch Giratina. My friend got one for me anyway so even if I don't end up getting it, it won't be too big a problem. Also, with the CB set, I was wondering if maybe changing the CB would do anything? Not Life Orb because Dusknoir has low enough HP but maybe another item. Not sure what. It'll be harder breeding the Careful nature because I have an Adamant Ditto but not a Careful one. Oh well, if you guys say that Anti-Spin set is better, then yeah, that's what I'll use.

Outlawed June 25th, 2008 4:34 AM

I have been trying for ages, to make a well balanced team with Tyranitar, Gyarados and Garchomp. I haven't been able to figure the 3 remaining pokemon.
CB Tar, Bulky Dos, and a Scarfchomp. I need the 3 extra ones figured. thanks.

Anti June 25th, 2008 8:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outlawed (Post 3702614)
I have been trying for ages, to make a well balanced team with Tyranitar, Gyarados and Garchomp. I haven't been able to figure the 3 remaining pokemon.
CB Tar, Bulky Dos, and a Scarfchomp. I need the 3 extra ones figured. thanks.

IMO use a better Garchomp set than fail Scarf Chomp. Use the SDer or CBer if you want it to you know...do something.

I'd put walling in the last slots. Definitely a standard special wall and probably something like Swampert + Skarmory to help your walling, since Gyarados is a pretty good fighting resist. Vaporeon or something might be useful for MixApe coverage and for opposing Gyarados, who would smash that particular lineup.

MATTFO0 June 25th, 2008 11:44 AM

hey i was looking for a good special wall for my new team. if you could post the ev spread,moveset, nature and item that would be great. i prefer it not be a blissey. thanks

True Justice June 25th, 2008 2:52 PM

I'm trying to make a good Gallade moveset and I can't decide between the 3 choices on the last move.
Adamant Nature
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 228 HP/ 252 Atk/ 30 Spd
Psycho Cut
Close Combat
Night Slash
Hypnosis/ Will O Wisp/ Thunder Wave

My logic is that Hypnosis stops the opponent all together temporarily and Will O Wisp cuts Attack and does small damage infliction. My pick would have been Thunder Wave since it has a chance of the foe's inability to attack and drops speed but I wanted to get a second recommendation before I decided.

Also for the item, I was thinking of having White Herb to recover from Close Combat instead of Leftovers.

sims796 June 25th, 2008 3:08 PM

OMG! You get to recover from ONE Close Combat drop!WOW!

No, White Herb is a waste.

Now as for your question, that is the near standard Gallade. Look on www.smogon.com for the set. Personally, I'd go for Will-o-Wisp.

Personally, Close Combat without more speed makes little sense.

Captain Fabio June 26th, 2008 4:39 AM

Hey guys. How is it going :D
I am thinking of making a new team, and since there are new pokemon that are allowed (i think) i would like to give them a try.
I was wondering if Someone could suggest some a move set and EV spread, the usual please. I need to go work so it owuld be nice if someone could reply for these. Thank you so much :D
If you do my whole team i will sort you out with thing that you need. If i have it :D
The pokemon i would like to use is:

Speed Deoxys
Tyranitar
Garchomp

NOw i love these three pokemon, so yep. HOwever, i am not sure what to add to this team that would work well, i pretty much have physical sweepers don't I :/
Oh well, but i would love any help. Anywho, off to work.
Thank you for your help :D

Dark Azelf June 26th, 2008 9:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garra_of_the_desert (Post 3705174)
Hey guys. How is it going :D
I am thinking of making a new team, and since there are new pokemon that are allowed (i think) i would like to give them a try.
I was wondering if Someone could suggest some a move set and EV spread, the usual please. I need to go work so it owuld be nice if someone could reply for these. Thank you so much :D
If you do my whole team i will sort you out with thing that you need. If i have it :D
The pokemon i would like to use is:

Speed Deoxys
Tyranitar
Garchomp

NOw i love these three pokemon, so yep. HOwever, i am not sure what to add to this team that would work well, i pretty much have physical sweepers don't I :/
Oh well, but i would love any help. Anywho, off to work.
Thank you for your help :D


Try smogon, there are alot of sets those pokemon run.



As for my query, i have a Scarf Typhlosion i want to use. No experience with it previously what so ever =p


[email protected] Scarf
144 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 112 SPEED
Mild Nature
- Eruption
- Lava Plume
- Hidden power [Ice/Electric]
- Focus Punch

What ive got currently,Focus Punch 2hko's Blissey and lax (Also puts dents in flash fire pokes such as Heatran etc), Lava Plume, i thought would be best when its Hp goes down and im mainly using it for its nasty burns rate.

suggestions ?

Captain Fabio June 26th, 2008 9:51 AM

Thank you Dark :)
Do you want anything? Lol
Like TMs?

sims796 June 26th, 2008 10:01 AM

You should know, D_A. I'm using a similar one, with less Spe IV's, & moar HP ICE.

I'm iffy on that set, though. It seems so easily walled.

Dark Azelf June 26th, 2008 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garra_of_the_desert (Post 3705823)
Thank you Dark :)
Do you want anything? Lol
Like TMs?

Nah, its ok =p

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3705842)
You should know, D_A. I'm using a similar one, with less Spe IV's, & moar HP ICE.

I'm iffy on that set, though. It seems so easily walled.

I thought that, although, what other options does it have ? Unless i go all Shadow Claw, Return, Flare Blitz, T-Punch lol

Thats why i had Lava Plume, to burn switch ins, but meh, if you can think of better options, do tell lol

sims796 June 26th, 2008 10:24 AM

Well, you have the luxury of getting breeding moves. Mines is shiny, so I am stuck on those moves. You have Quick Attack, Covet (srsly, don't see that much), Crush Claw & it's 50% chance of lowering defense, etc.

He just lacks in movepool. A shame.

Kejmur June 26th, 2008 2:54 PM

Yo again. I thought about doing Rain Dance and Sunny Day teams for OU, because I just wan to try something different from weather teams then Sandstorm and Hail ones in OU. I have one question - which pokes are good enough to be first in both teams. Thx for any ideas and sets. Cheers.

sims796 June 26th, 2008 3:00 PM

For Sunny Day, Thick Fat pokemon would be great SD starters, Like Grumpig or snorlax. Heatran & Moltres are near necesseties. Afew Chlorophyll pokes can work out.

Angelic Diablo June 26th, 2008 11:07 PM

As for Rain Dance teams, something bulky like Bronzong or Ludicolo generally works best to start the rain, then you just need to use something like a Kingdra or any swift swimmer then a couple of pokemon to take the thunderbolts flying every which way.

Hadim Sinan Pasha June 27th, 2008 12:36 AM

Well I'll just tell you my opinions on RD and SD teams. You need bulky Pokemon for them. For a Rain dance team, you could use Gyarados. Sadly, there are no Drizzler's out there other than Kyogre. Then I'd use a Ludicolo. Also as Angelic Diablo said, use a Bronzong for some tanking and starting off the rain. Swampert would probably be a must. As for an SD team, I wonder how Roserade would work. Tropius isn't too good but if used properly I've noticed he doesn't play too bad. Once again, I'm not the best in this area but those are just my opinions.

Aquilae June 27th, 2008 2:58 AM

You do not need Gyarados on a Rain Dance team. It would not work as well in the Rain as others. What you need is two or more bulky pokemon to set up Rain Dance, then just sweep. Rain Dance in OU is limited to 5/8 turns so you should make the best of it.

It is worth noting that Kingdra and Kabutops are nigh uncounterable in the Rain.

Sunny Day teams revolve around the same principle except Sunny Day is not present on a variety of pokemon and the Chlorophyll/Solar Power sweepers are significantly weaker than Rain Dance sweepers. Like what I said about Rain Dance teams - sweep, sweep, sweep. Heatran is going to end your sweep most of the time though =/

zooyorkskater June 27th, 2008 11:50 AM

I just go the 7th badge, and don't really play so I don't really know what breeding, ev training, etc are. I don't know what natures do what, also, tell me wha I should switch to what and such.


Ponyta: Level 35, has big root, don't know what that does.
Lonely Nature
Fire Blast
Return
Fire Spin
Stomp


Floatzel: Level 36
Rash Nature
Surf
Pursuit
Crunch
Aqua Jet


Staraptor: Level 35
Bold Nature
Aerial Ace
Fly
Close Combat
Wing Attack


Luxray: Level 36
Hardy Nature
Tackle
Spark
Charge
Crunch


Haunter: Level 35
Rash Nature
Mean Look
Sucker Punch
Night Shade
Shadow Ball


Torterra: Level 36
Calm Nature
Bite
Leech Seed
Mega Drain
Earthquake

Gulpin June 27th, 2008 11:58 AM

I'm using this standard Smogon set for a Anti-Spin Dusknoir:
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Careful
Pressure
EV’s 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SpD
~ ThunderPunch
~ Fire Punch / Shadow Sneak
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split

And I'm wondering if a Sassy nature would be okay, because every Careful I breed have the worst ever IV's, and I bred a Sassy one with very high IV's in everything.


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