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El Gofre June 27th, 2008 12:02 PM

Sassy's ok, its not exactly the fastest poke anyway. Still, its better to reduce a stat you never use rather than a potentially valuable one. Still, its a wall and high HP/Def IVs are the most important.

Postman June 27th, 2008 12:26 PM

Is there a reason why Slaking uses Return instead of Giga Impact?

Gulpin June 27th, 2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3708832)
Sassy's ok, its not exactly the fastest poke anyway. Still, its better to reduce a stat you never use rather than a potentially valuable one. Still, its a wall and high HP/Def IVs are the most important.

Thanks for the help, but i just hatched a Careful one with these IV's:
12/29/31/31/28/23
(HP/Atk/Def/SAtk/SDef/Spd)

Matt-O June 27th, 2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Postman (Post 3708899)
Is there a reason why Slaking uses Return instead of Giga Impact?

Probably for better Accuracy. When you only attack once every other turn, you want that move to count. That's all I can think of. Slaking probably does enough damage with a STAB Return to take out lots of non-resistant Pkmn. At Max happiness it's better than Chomp's EQ.

Dark Azelf June 27th, 2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Postman (Post 3708899)
Is there a reason why Slaking uses Return instead of Giga Impact?

Because you still have to recharge regardless of traunt, so you cant switch out. Which = "Hi my name is Heracross/Lucario etc, kthnxbai" Revenge kills.

Matt-O June 27th, 2008 1:55 PM

This has probably been asked before, but what would be a good set for using Golduck as a Special sweeper on a SS team?

zooyorkskater June 27th, 2008 2:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooyorkskater (Post 3708795)
I just go the 7th badge, and don't really play so I don't really know what breeding, ev training, etc are. I don't know what natures do what, also, tell me wha I should switch to what and such.


Ponyta: Level 35, has big root, don't know what that does.
Lonely Nature
Fire Blast
Return
Fire Spin
Stomp


Floatzel: Level 36
Rash Nature
Surf
Pursuit
Crunch
Aqua Jet


Staraptor: Level 35
Bold Nature
Aerial Ace
Fly
Close Combat
Wing Attack


Luxray: Level 36
Hardy Nature
Tackle
Spark
Charge
Crunch


Haunter: Level 35
Rash Nature
Mean Look
Sucker Punch
Night Shade
Shadow Ball


Torterra: Level 36
Calm Nature
Bite
Leech Seed
Mega Drain
Earthquake


How 'bout we help him????

Matt-O June 27th, 2008 4:04 PM

That's an ingame team, so it doesn't really matter what he uses.

devilicious June 27th, 2008 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3709089)
This has probably been asked before, but what would be a good set for using Golduck as a Special sweeper on a SS team?

Special Sweeper, I wouldn't say so.
But I used it as a Mixed Sweeper on a Hail Team and it worked fine. Not WOAHOMG, but fine enough stay in the team.

Matt-O June 27th, 2008 4:53 PM

So probably something like Surf/Ice Beam/Cross Chop/Substitute would be good? No idea on natures and such.

supersmashbro93 June 27th, 2008 5:03 PM

i need a good mixed wall and special sweeper thanks

devilicious June 27th, 2008 5:24 PM

I used it just like that, except Hypnosis in place of Sub.
You could just go with Smogon's mix standard in 104 Atk / 252 SpA / 152 Spe and Mild nature. It worked for me.

_Diego// June 28th, 2008 10:30 AM

Hey. I just hatched this Magnemite and I was wondering what I should do with it.
http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa081.png
Magnemite
Modest
Magnet Pull

Metal Sound, Tackle, Thunder Wave

31 HP/ 18 Atk/ 31 Def/ 24 SpA/ 31 SpD/ 16 Spd
Hidden Power Fire 54

Should I use this as a parent to aim for a higher IV Magnemite, or is a defensive Magnezone good? The lack of a Hidden Power Ice/Ground/Grass aches, so I was wondering what I should do with it. I'm not so good at IV breeding, so.. If this could be used as a defensive or support Magenzone, though, I would appreciate a moveset and EV spread.

ABYAY June 28th, 2008 10:59 AM

Aim for Hidden Power Ice, Ground, or Grass for Magnemite. I say it could be used as a parent though because of the 31s on the board.

Just keep on trying til you get something better is all I can say.

Jesus oƒ Suburbia June 29th, 2008 3:55 AM

Whats the best moveset for (need at least two ultimate sp.attacks)

[email protected] orb
Serious Nature

El Gofre June 29th, 2008 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazty (Post 3713802)
Whats the best moveset for (need at least two ultimate sp.attacks)

[email protected] orb
Serious Nature

Is this for competetive battling?

Matt-O June 29th, 2008 11:13 AM

What's the set for a Special Sweeping Starmie? I mainly need it so Gyarados will stop raping me.

Dark Azelf June 29th, 2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3714673)
What's the set for a Special Sweeping Starmie? I mainly need it so Gyarados will stop raping me.

You want Bulky starmie sets if you want to counter Gyarados.


[email protected]
160 HP / 132 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin


OR


[email protected] / Life Orb
160 HP / 132 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Timid Nature
Trait : natural Cure
- Recover
- Surf
- ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Sexycheese June 30th, 2008 5:13 AM

Hiya! does anyone have a moveset for a timid Jirachi please? (got a legit shiny one YAY! :) )

El Gofre June 30th, 2008 9:13 AM

According to smogon only the specs set uses timid:

[email protected] Specs
Timid
80HP/252SpAtt/176Spd
Thunderbolt
Psychic
HP Fire/Fight/Bug
Shadow Ball/Grass Knot

HP choice is dependant on what you fear- Darks or steels. Since you have already saved i guess you dont have the luxury of resetting for any of them, so I'd check because otherwise steel's are gonna screw you over. If you dont have any water pulse could be an alternative, albeit a bad one. I guess 20% onfuse rate isnt bad.

Yuzix July 1st, 2008 2:20 PM

hello, im a complete n00b at this but hey id like to take a first step, anyway these are the pokes id like to use for my first (real) team:

Salamence
Snorlax
Electivire
Tyranitar
Milotic
Lucario

movesets and reccomendations are greatly encouraged thanks.

Matt-O July 1st, 2008 2:34 PM

You lack a Physical wall in that group. Snorlax and Milotic are both descent Special walls though.

Yuzix July 1st, 2008 2:54 PM

Any recomendations for a good physical wall? i don't think i need both snorlax and milotic there, i can always swap either of them out.

Xairmo July 1st, 2008 2:57 PM

A few common recomendations would be Skarmory, Forretress, and Weezing.

Matt-O July 1st, 2008 2:59 PM

Lots of things can be Physical walls. Hippowdon, Rhyperior, Torterra, Steelix, Forretress, Swampert, Skarmory, Gliscor. Some of those might be tanks but they serve the same purpose.

devilicious July 1st, 2008 3:00 PM

Tangrowth is my favourite Physical Wall. And your team needs something to stop Tyranitar anyway.

I run;
Tangrowth @ Leftovers
252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Impish
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Stun Spore

Yuzix July 1st, 2008 3:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akasuna no Sasori (Post 3719739)
A few common recomendations would be Skarmory, Forretress, and Weezing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo Man (Post 3719743)
Lots of things can be Physical walls. Hippowdon, Rhyperior, Torterra, Steelix, Forretress, Swampert, Skarmory, Gliscor. Some of those might be tanks but they serve the same purpose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3719744)
Tangrowth is my favourite Physical Wall. And your team needs something to stop Tyranitar anyway.

I run;
Tangrowth @ Leftovers
252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Impish
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Stun Spore


Hmm... I think i'll give Steelix a shot and leave snorlax behind. So now the team is:
Salamence
Steelix
Milotic
Electivire
Lucario
Tyranitar

Now lucario seems compromised... what could I switch him for?

devilicious July 1st, 2008 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuzix (Post 3719753)
Hmm... I think i'll give Steelix a shot and leave snorlax behind. So now the team is:
Salamence
Steelix
Milotic
Electivire
Lucario
Tyranitar

Now lucario seems compromised... what could I switch him for?

Why does it? Lucario and Steelix serve completely different purposes.

Yuzix July 1st, 2008 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3719761)
Why does it? Lucario and Steelix serve completely different purposes.

I'm not sure, gah... i don't have a clue to what im doing here but as far as i understand don't they share a common weaknes due to their steel type? So it would be smart not to have more than one of the same type right?

devilicious July 1st, 2008 3:21 PM

That does not make any sense- you can have more than one Pokémon of a type in your team, not to mention Steel/Ground and Steel/Fighting are quite different in most aspects. And don't forget Pokémon is a team-playing game.
They share a Fire weakness? Milotic got that covered. Ground? Salamence's immune.

People who are new to competitive battling often think 'switching is for noobs', when switching is the spirit of Pokémon.

Yuzix July 1st, 2008 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3719779)
No, that does not make any sense. Pokémon is a team-playing game.
They share a Fire weakness? Milotic got that covered. Ground? Salamence's immune.

People who are new to competitive battling often think 'switching is for noobs', when switching is the spirit of Pokémon.

I see, well then i'll keep lucario in.

sims796 July 1st, 2008 3:27 PM

I saw your Tangrowth set. Stun Spore's for noobs. Tickle's where it's at :P

devilicious July 1st, 2008 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3719791)
I saw your Tangrowth set. Stun Spore's for noobs. Tickle's where it's at :P

Haha, I've used Tickle succesfully actually! But my team really likes the Paralyze support.

sims796 July 1st, 2008 3:34 PM

Ah, I was being serious, too!

My team has Vileplume for Stun Support, and sp.attackers aren't he only thing that switches into Tangrowth. Sweepers like Mence loves to come in, with their Fire blast. Still, there offense is the main attraction. They wouldn't like getting softened, making a very easy switch-in for teammates.

devilicious July 1st, 2008 3:37 PM

Well, it's not like they like getting Paralyzed either. d:

Tangrowth is just that awesome.

sims796 July 1st, 2008 3:38 PM

Not as good as Plume, but it is awesome.

The Hero Without a Name July 2nd, 2008 8:08 PM

What would be a good moveset for... a mixed-sweeping Lucario?

ysover July 2nd, 2008 10:54 PM

im starting to ev train a machamp and i was wondering if u can help me choose:
what nature?
"guts" or "no guard"
252 Att and 252 Spd (was wondering if this spread his good)
and moves: rest, sleep talk, ice punch, dynamitpunch/cross chop
tnx

. July 2nd, 2008 11:03 PM

Sorry dude, that's a horrible EV spread for a Rest-Talker. Not bulky enough to utilize Rest-Talk. I use the following set:

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
No Guard
252 HP, 36 Att, 216 Def, 6 Spe
Dynamicpunch
Ice Punch
Rest
Sleep Talk

Even with this set, you can OHKO (or at least come close to) things like Snorlax, Blissey, etc... This survives and counters TTar much more effectively.

ysover July 2nd, 2008 11:11 PM

thanks king tyranitar actually i took the idea for a machamp form seeing in the battle log the battle of u and dark azlef

. July 2nd, 2008 11:13 PM

It's a very standard Machamp, but man, does it do a great job. Pair it with Gliscor to destroy things.

Archer July 3rd, 2008 2:57 AM

Magmortar @ Salac Berry/Petaya is an option...
Mild | Flame Body
< 4 HP, 132 Atk, 164 SAtk, 208 Spd >
~ Substitute
~ Focus Punch
~ Overheat/Flamethrower/Fire Blast
~ Thunderbolt

SubPunching Magmortar. Sub down to the chosen berry and sweep. Focus punch is under your belt, crippling any Blisseys that think they can wall you.
EVs:
4 HP - Gives Mag the HP to activate the Berry at 1/4 HP
132 Atk - 2HKO Blissey, including Lefties
164 SAtk - Left over.
208 Spd - Lets you outrun ScarfTran after the Salac Boost whom would otherwise ruin your fun.

Opinions?

Max™ July 3rd, 2008 7:19 AM

can someone give me a blissey set?

i havent used blissey before but i sorta want evs to fit with this

blissey:seismic toss, twave, heal bell,softboil

airconditioning July 3rd, 2008 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxgauge (Post 3724285)
can someone give me a blissey set?

i havent used blissey before but i sorta want evs to fit with this

blissey:seismic toss, twave, heal bell,softboil

Blissey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
Calm
216 SDef/ 252 Def/ 40 HP
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy/ Heal Bell
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave

The standard Calm Blissey. Easily the best Special wall in the game. It's understandable if you can't get Aromatherapy (especially if you're breeding on Emerald, where Roselia is unavailable), so Heal Bell works well too. Overall, they're exactly the same move, except Aromaterapy hits Soundproof Pokemon (like Exploud, I think).

Dark Azelf July 3rd, 2008 7:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxgauge (Post 3724285)
can someone give me a blissey set?

i havent used blissey before but i sorta want evs to fit with this

blissey:seismic toss, twave, heal bell,softboil


[email protected]
40 HP / 252 DEF / 216 SP.DEF
Trait : Natural Cure
Calm nature
- Thunderwave / Toxic
- Seismic Toss
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled


OR


[email protected]
80 SP.ATT / 252 DEF / 176 SP.DEF
Calm Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Toxic / Thunderwave
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

OR


[email protected]
80 SP.ATT / 252 DEF / 176 SP.DEF
Calm Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic / Thunderwave / Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss.

airconditioning July 3rd, 2008 7:55 AM

D_A, weren't Event Moves banned already? If so, Wish Blissey is out of the question.

Although I have to agree that Toxic is always a very good option on Blissey.

Dark Azelf July 3rd, 2008 7:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3724384)
D_A, weren't Event Moves banned already? If so, Wish Blissey is out of the question.

Although I have to agree that Toxic is always a very good option on Blissey.

Not on wifi =D. Also they are still accessible anywhere bar the official sever.

Anyways, dont quote me on this, but on smogon as of late there has been a vote to get events unbanned, and it should be implemented in the near future hopefully.

airconditioning July 3rd, 2008 8:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3724391)
Not on wifi =D.

I find it unlikely that the average battler has access to the PCNY event Blissey.

Unless, you're talking about- *gasp*!- hacking!

umbros July 3rd, 2008 10:37 AM

Hey, I was raising my Houndoom, wanted to run this by people. This is entirely for one person, I already have the Smogon standard NP sweeper, this is just a slight variation.

Houndoom @ Power Herb
40 HP, 252 SpA, 218 Spe
Timid nature
Nasty Plot
Fire Blast
Dark Pulse
Solarbeam

I know, I know... power herb is not so popular, but this is tailored specifically to counter one person, and her only real counter for Houndoom is her Swampert. The HP this one has is ice, so that can't counter it, the one that's the normal NP sweeper has HP fighting, but it still gets rammed by that Swampert. So, even though this is a one-off, it'll come as a shock, and Houndoom'll be able to take out a big chunk of her team after her main counter's gone. I start with Houndoom and NP on the switch, then I've got a non-charging Solarbeam.

. July 3rd, 2008 10:51 AM

Wanted to know if Toxic or Twave was more effective on Blissey.

I also want the standard Aerodactyl set and Yanmega set plz.

Dark Azelf July 3rd, 2008 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3724808)
Wanted to know if Toxic or Twave was more effective on Blissey.

I also want the standard Aerodactyl set and Yanmega set plz.

[email protected] Band
42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
Trait : pressure
- ice Fang
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang / Pursuit / Crunch

You could also go Hasty @ Life Orb and use Fire Blast on that last slot if you fear skarm, forry etc.


[email protected] / Life Orb / Wise Glasses
252 SP.ATT/ 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest Nature
Trait : Speed Boost
- Protect
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Hypnosis / Hidden power [Ice/Ground]


Im finding Toxic > t-wave more and more useful as we go further into the metagame ...

Supreme Dirt July 3rd, 2008 11:12 AM

I was wondering about the plausibility of a team of grass types (ie every pokemon has grass as one of its types).
I recently realized that despite grass being my favourite type, I have no competitive grass types.
I was thinking of Tangrowth as a physical wall, Venusaur for status effects, Celebi for w/e I feel like, etc. But I'm not sure.

Also, I would prefer workable, but unorthodox uses for the Pokemon. So far, I have a Sassy 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Ingrain-Leech Seed-Toxic-Substitute Venusaur, although I was thinking of rebreeding for Light Screen to help deal with Flamethrowers, Ice Beams, and Psychics. As well, I need a better EV spread.
Ideas anyone?

umbros July 3rd, 2008 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Dirt (Post 3724867)
I was wondering about the plausibility of a team of grass types (ie every pokemon has grass as one of its types).
I recently realized that despite grass being my favourite type, I have no competitive grass types.
I was thinking of Tangrowth as a physical wall, Venusaur for status effects, Celebi for w/e I feel like, etc. But I'm not sure.

Also, I would prefer workable, but unorthodox uses for the Pokemon. So far, I have a Sassy 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Ingrain-Leech Seed-Toxic-Substitute Venusaur, although I was thinking of rebreeding for Light Screen to help deal with Flamethrowers, Ice Beams, and Psychics. As well, I need a better EV spread.
Ideas anyone?

I wouldn't recommend that moveset on Venusaur. With those moves, it gets completely walled by ANY Grass/Poison pokemon. And seriously, do you want to have something that's actually WALLED by Victreebell? Also, almost any Rest-talker will ruin the fun of that set. Subseeding is fun, though, it's just that you have much better options for Saur than Toxic and Ingrain. Try this:

Venusaur @ Lefties
252 HP, 252 SpD, 6 Spe
Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Energy Ball/Grass Knot
Sludge Bomb/Substitute

Leaving in Sludge Bomb is just the Smogon standard, and really effective, but you can still do Substitute if you're dead set on subseeding. You may need some extra SpD EV's in Speed if you're going to try that, though.

Oh, and no offense, but you should know that the notion of having a team entirely composed of grass types won't work very well. You'd be hard pressed to find a team that can't counter a grass type with any of its pokemon. You'd be wrecked in no time flat if someone had something like Yanmega or Heracross, and especially if they had a MixMence.

ABYAY July 3rd, 2008 7:32 PM

I've seen a Cresselia in action that is pretty weird, but I think it actually works.

[email protected] Orb
(Unsure of Nature and EVs)

Rest
Sleep Talk
Psycho Shift
Ice Beam/Psychic/something

The key Dark-type threats to Cresselia are mainly physical, so why not Psycho Shift them with a burn? While you snooze, hopefully Sleep Talk Psycho Shift and send a Sleep. (I think it works like that.) This, however, can really be upset by Sleep Clause and the damage rack-up from the burn, so Wish support may be appreciated.

Just wanna know opinions on this.

assassinfred July 3rd, 2008 8:01 PM

Requesting A good Movelist for a Shiftry.

Angelic Diablo July 3rd, 2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3724764)
Hey, I was raising my Houndoom, wanted to run this by people. This is entirely for one person, I already have the Smogon standard NP sweeper, this is just a slight variation.

Houndoom @ Life Orb/Leftovers
40 HP, 252 SpA, 218 Spe
Timid nature
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Dark Pulse
HP Fight/Ground

Please Swampert is no where near a Houndoom counter, yes both his STAB moves drop Houndoom, but Dark Pulse destroys it, and Houndoom should be faster than Swampert anyway, and no one switches Houndoom in on Swampert. Tyranitar is your main threat, hence HP Fight, but I have also run HP Ground coz I seem to run into more Heatrans

There is no reason for Fire Blast with Nasty Plot, unless you really love missing, the power difference isn't really noticed once a NP is up anyway

Sexycheese July 3rd, 2008 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3717109)
According to smogon only the specs set uses timid:

[email protected] Specs
Timid
80HP/252SpAtt/176Spd
Thunderbolt
Psychic
HP Fire/Fight/Bug
Shadow Ball/Grass Knot

HP choice is dependant on what you fear- Darks or steels. Since you have already saved i guess you dont have the luxury of resetting for any of them, so I'd check because otherwise steel's are gonna screw you over. If you dont have any water pulse could be an alternative, albeit a bad one. I guess 20% onfuse rate isnt bad.

Yeah that is true, I know it has a bad nature but hey, its my first shiny and I want to show it off LMAO ^.^. I will use that movest but I gotta check the hidden power thing
before resorting to water pulse, thanks again :)

umbros July 3rd, 2008 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3726357)
There is no reason for Fire Blast with Nasty Plot, unless you really love missing, the power difference isn't really noticed once a NP is up anyway

Please only give me advice that's proven. Fire Blast is chosen over Flamethrower because it can actually take on a few things that would normally take it out. With Stealth Rock in play, even without Life Orb, it can 2HKO Blissey after a NP, for example. And Swampert is still able to take on the normal NP Houndoom. It'll survive a Dark Pulse unless I've gotten two NPs, and EQ wrecks Houndoom.

I said in my earlier post, I already HAVE the standard Nasty Plot Houndoom, which is exactly what you listed, and this is tailored for one person. She doesn't use Tyranitar, nor anything that I'd need HP Fighting for, or I'd just use my other Houndoom. Thanks anyway, though.

Sexycheese July 4th, 2008 1:25 AM

Hiya, I know it is a rubbish pokemon but could someone rate this wigglytuf set pleaes? thanks :)

Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 148 Def / 110 SDef
Brave Nature
-Double-Edge/Return (cant decide)
-Gyro Ball
-Ice Punch
-Focus Punch

Angelic Diablo July 4th, 2008 1:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by umbros (Post 3726459)
Please only give me advice that's proven. Fire Blast is chosen over Flamethrower because it can actually take on a few things that would normally take it out. With Stealth Rock in play, even without Life Orb, it can 2HKO Blissey after a NP, for example. And Swampert is still able to take on the normal NP Houndoom. It'll survive a Dark Pulse unless I've gotten two NPs, and EQ wrecks Houndoom.

I said in my earlier post, I already HAVE the standard Nasty Plot Houndoom, which is exactly what you listed, and this is tailored for one person. She doesn't use Tyranitar, nor anything that I'd need HP Fighting for, or I'd just use my other Houndoom. Thanks anyway, though.

Umm lets see, I was talking about Swampert switching in on Houndoom, presumming you NP on that turn, you are doing 90-97% damage to Swampert before he even has time to hit you with EQ, so any residual damage or entry hazards and Swampert has nothing against Houndoom.

Either way, dont tell me not to suggest something when your trying to use a Power Herb Solarbeam to take out a pokemon that Houndoom has no reason to be left in against.

Basically if you want Solarbeam, at least chuck him on a Sunny Day team, one time use items FAIL

homsar July 4th, 2008 6:58 PM

I'm looking for a moveset on a EV'd Frosslass I received in a trade. Currently it has the moves Ominous Wind/Blizzard/Ice Beam/Hail. Im think of using it as weather support or spikes/thunder wave support. Any suggestions?

ABYAY July 5th, 2008 12:08 AM

Well...That's a Faillass. lol try this.

[email protected]/Focus Sash
Timid
252sp.atk/252speed/6HP

Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Spikes/Shadow Ball/Destiny Bond
Thunder Wave

You'll have to breed for Spikes. Otherwise, you could try this.

[email protected] Scarf *...wtf?*
Lonely
204atk/112sp.atk/196speed

Shadow Ball
Ice Beam
Wake-Up Slap
Destiny Bond

No bolting here sadly, but you could toss it in there at your own expense. Wake-Up Slap seems like a joke, but it 2HKOs Tyranitar and OHKOs Weavile, which you outspeed. Destiny Bond will down anything troublesome. Lastly, there's Choice Specs if you wanna give it a go.

homsar July 5th, 2008 9:37 AM

Spikes is a egg move, I did not know that. Thanks for the sets, I think mine is best suited for that first set.

. July 5th, 2008 9:59 AM

Need a set for a Rest Cresselia and a Rest Bronzong.


I was thinking of the following:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP, 108 Def, 148 SpD
Rest
Charge Beam
Reflect/Thunder Wave/Sleep Talk
Ice Beam


Or maybe Bronzong

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP, 96 SpD, 152 Def, 8 Att (EV's slightly changed from Smogon for more survivability)
Gyro Ball
Reflect/Sleep Talk/Reflect/Stealth Rock
Hypnosis
Stealth Rock/Reflect/Sleep Talk


What would do better at countering Mamo, Duggy, Chomp, etc...

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730160)
Need a set for a Rest Cresselia and a Rest Bronzong.


I was thinking of the following:

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP, 108 Def, 148 SpD
Rest
Charge Beam
Reflect/Thunder Wave/Sleep Talk
Ice Beam


Or maybe Bronzong

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP, 96 SpD, 152 Def, 8 Att (EV's slightly changed from Smogon for more survivability)
Gyro Ball
Reflect/Sleep Talk/Reflect/Stealth Rock
Hypnosis
Stealth Rock/Reflect/Sleep Talk


What would do better at countering Mamo, Duggy, Chomp, etc...


Either would work, im not a fan of Rest-Zong, nor Rest cress, as both are offensively retarded making it an easy and essentially a free switch in to become set up fodder.

Both have great utility moves so they should be utilized.

Anyways, if you DO use rest -talk zong, more attack needs to be invested, aka 152.

Just get wish support if your that worried about recovery.


[email protected] / Shed Shell
252 HP / 152 ATT / 8 def / 96 sp.def
Relaxed Nature
Trait : levitate
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake
- Gyro ball

OR

[email protected]
252 HP / 72 ATT / 112 DEF / 74 SP.DEF
Relaxed Nature
Trait : levitate
- Hypnosis
- Stealth Rock / Reflect / Light Screen
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake / Reflect / Light Screen




[email protected]
20 HP / 252 DEF / 236 SP.ATT.
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunderwave / Charge beam / Psychic / Hidden power {Ground/Fighting}
- Moonlight
- Reflect

So you dont get owned by Pursuit, and this set allows you to ohko said Chomp with ice Beam.

Moves in second slot depend on what you want to hit, T-Wave slows stuf down, Charge Beam for Gyara, Psychic for Machamp etc, HP Fight to hit T-Tar and Weavile switch ins and HP Ground for Heatran.

Best used with Wish support ^^.



OR

[email protected]
252 HP / 108 Def / 148 Sp.D
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- ice Beam
- Thunderwave / Charge Beam / Psychic.


W/E >_>.

. July 5th, 2008 11:01 AM

How about Suicune? Can it do well against Mamo, etc..? I REALLY want to try it out. Thanks for the sets by the way D_A <3

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730285)
How about Suicune? Can it do well against Mamo, etc..? I REALLY want to try it out. Thanks for the sets by the way D_A <3

CB Earthquake HURTS. IIRC it did like 43% ~ to my Forretress, so i dont think Cune can take repeated beatings from it.

. July 5th, 2008 11:13 AM

Of course it hurts, but I think Cune can OHKO Mamo and Duggy w/ Surf and either OHKO or 2HKO with Ice Beam.

I'll replace Suicune later, but I want to try it out. Is Ice Beam/Surf/Rest/Calm Mind a good moveset? Can I have EVs that support this moveset?

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730317)
Of course it hurts, but I think Cune can OHKO Mamo and Duggy w/ Surf and either OHKO or 2HKO with Ice Beam.

I'll replace Suicune later, but I want to try it out. Is Ice Beam/Surf/Rest/Calm Mind a good moveset? Can I have EVs that support this moveset?

If you let cune get below 80 % youll die, as eq already does 40%, so you cant switch in.

Duggy cant even do squat to cune anyways with its eq lol

Anyways, Sleep Talk-less Rest is not good in D/P, so much stuff gets free switch in.


Try CroCune.


[email protected]
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Bold nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf
- Calm Mind

Owns.

. July 5th, 2008 11:23 AM

Can I PP stall other water types?

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730337)
Can I PP stall other water types?

Yes, only water absorbers.

Because you 2hko other non water absorb water types with +6 surfs lol.

. July 5th, 2008 11:27 AM

I'll try it out. Suicune looked so impressive from vids. Does GlisBlissCune makes a good walling trio or not?

Dark Azelf July 5th, 2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3730346)
I'll try it out. Suicune looked so impressive from vids. Does GlisBlissCune makes a good walling trio or not?

Its ok. Just watch out for Mixape, Grass Knot hits Cune for 100 Base power >_<, NP Grass Knot OHKO's it also.

. July 5th, 2008 11:41 AM

Couldn't Scarftran come in on a GK and OHKO it with Earth Power?

ABYAY July 5th, 2008 1:14 PM

Maybe, but if you come in on Close Combat, you're screwed. Otherwise, you're safe (O noes HP GROUND!) However, if you switch it in on MixApe, then it's going to know you're Scarf'd 95% of the time.

For Rest-Talk Cresselia, if you want it to counter MixApe, then Psychic is a must. Charge Beam hits Gyarados and can break a stall war, and Ice Beam is for Dragons.

. July 5th, 2008 1:19 PM

Prediction is easy, but I could also come in on a Flamethrower, and people could guess I'm a nub thinking a Fire boost will win me the match.

sims796 July 5th, 2008 2:58 PM

How are these EV's for this set?

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Nature:Impish
EV:252 HP/200 Def/58 Atk
Power Whip
Knock Off
Leech Seed
Tickle

Ignore the Tickle, I'm just having fun with that for a while. But are the EV's sound? That, or

252 HP, 220 Def, 36 Atk

But that seems like overkill to me.

kman300 July 7th, 2008 4:43 PM

Hey guys. I'm working with kids this summer and one of them has a bunch of cheated pokes that were raised to 100 per rare candy cheat. (ledgendaries etc)

I'd like a team that I can make to mop the floor with him and the other 15 kids or so that have pearl/diamond.

I have diamond only. What 6 pokes do you recommend with EV's and move sets that's an all round team, standard team, very popular or w/e that can take anything they throw at me. Keep in mind non of theirs have ev's or good move sets (most likely anyways). I have sapphire as well but would rather not restart that game if it's not needed.

Thanks

. July 7th, 2008 5:09 PM

Well, what are you looking for? You'll need omething along these lines:

Special Sweeper
Special Wall
Physical Sweeper
Physical Wall
Status Absorber
Cleric/Late Game Sweeper/Good Lead

List the Pokes you intend to use.

sims796 July 7th, 2008 5:20 PM

There isn't a position for "good lead" reserved on a team, as Anti had said better than me:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti Pop Culture Warrior (Post 3733824)
also looking for a pokemon just to lead sounds king of silly. Yeah they get you off to a good start but after that it's 6 vs. 5 essentially (ahem, 5 + death fodder!) My most successful teams had awful leads and they turned out okay.

But the first four, yeah, those are the most basic parts of team building, and we can't live without the basics. Personally,I don't feel a "status absorber"is most important to reserve a spot for. Aromatherapy is still a very killer move, and you can't negate secondary effects of moves (Fire Punch, for instance) from affecting something that's not the absorber. It's useful to have, but not "TEH BASEIKS".

The other two to me are more optionary, and what you want to add, or,more importantly what you need to add to make the team work. Mixed walls, cleric, etc.

supersmashbro93 July 7th, 2008 5:25 PM

whats the best physical sweeping pokemon and can i have its moveset im open to alot of opions

. July 7th, 2008 5:30 PM

Having a good lead can do a lot of things. With a good lead, you can get in some status, or a Hypnosis. With a bad lead, enemies can either KO you early, or force a member of your team to take a hit they don't want to.

shedinjask July 7th, 2008 5:37 PM

Good leads are generally fun Pokemon. Crobat, Jumpluff, Scarf Transform Mew, etc.

There is no best physical sweeper, but some good ones are Garchomp, Metagross, Dragonite, Salamence, Breloom, Machamp, Medicham, Scizor...

sims796 July 7th, 2008 5:54 PM

However, they are one time uses. As Anti said,reserving an entire slot for that one use is ridiculous. Many pokes that have other uses makes perfect leads. Swampert, Yanmega, etc, all make great leads, and are actually useful later on.

You are just about out one pokemoin when you reserve aspot just for leading.

kman300 July 7th, 2008 6:04 PM

Well that's exactly it. I don't know what I want. If there are certain pokes for certain slots (special sweeper, special wall etc) can someone just list a team that has all the slots filled that's a pretty decent team? There must be a cookie cutter team and moveset no?

_Diego// July 7th, 2008 6:14 PM

Hi, people. I like making teams, breeding, and training Pokemon, but when it comes to making a team I'm always brain-dead. Anyway, I am trying to build a new team, and I would really appreciate if anyone could tell me a 6th member that could aid my team. Here are the 5 Pokemon in my team and a few other notes:

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Tangrowth @Leftovers
Leaf Guard
Impish
252 HP/ 228 Def/ 30 Spd
~Leech Seed
~Sleep Powder
~Knock Off
~Power Whip

Yeah, a Smogon Standard. I should probably stick to these until I have more team making experience, eh? Anyway, Tangrowth has done wonders for me. There are better walls out there, I guess, but I really like Tangrowth. The weakness to ice, however, hurts me ;_;

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Tyranitar @ ??
Sand Stream
Jolly
252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
~Crunch
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake
~Ice Fang/Ice Beam

Dragon Dance Tyranitar. This thing is very powerful once it set up, and can dent a few things before he does so. Ice Fang seemed appealing due to the Dragon Dance boost, but I'm guessing Ice Beam does more to walls that try to stop Tyranitar. Or is Stone Edge a better choice? I don't know, but until now an Ice Attack helps.Item too, pl0x?

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Starmie @ ??
Natural Cure
Timid
162 HP/ 132 SpA/ 216 Spd
~Surf
~Rapid Spin
~Recover
~Ice Beam/ThunderBolt
Mah Spinner. This thing, too, has helped me out in a bunch of situations. I picked Ice Beam over T-Bolt for Dragons and Grass Types, but I'm not sure if that is really a smart move. I've been running this thing on Wise Glasses as a filler and for a small kick, but I'm guessing it's not the best. My dilemma here is on the last attack, I guess, because even though Ice Beam has been proved useful, maybe Thunderbolt will too, and even more.

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Snorlax @Leftovers
Thick Fat
Careful
170 HP / 120 Def / 220 SpD
~Rest
~Sleep Talk
~Body Slam
~Crunch
As you might or might not have noticed, that's a Sleep Talk Snorlax with the EV's for a Curselax. Yeah, might fix that later; but in the meantime, this fat guy is one of my favourite. Of course, when I wanted to build my team, I was all 'Well, Blissey', but I decided to go with Snorlax in the end. And it has never let me down. It takes Special Attacks like the beast it is and usually enver leaves the field before hacing taken someone down or at least crippled him badly. Also, I left Crunch for ghosts, and it has fared well, though i'm considering EQ...

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Magnezone @??
Magnet Pull
Modest
174 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
~Magnet Rise
~Substitue
~Discharge
~Hidden Power Ice (63)
I used to have Electivire here, and it did help quite a bunch, but I decided to try Magnezone just to see what happened. It has let me down a few times, but luckily for him I'm forgiving :P I chose Discharge over Thunderbolt because I'm somewhat more of a defensive player on everything I do and crippling more opponents sounded nice. Discharge, however, has failed me. I've had Magnezone for relatively a long while, and I can count on one hand the times it has paralyzed opponents with Discharge >_>'. So, is Discharge worth it? Or should I plain out change Magnezone? ^^'.

Ok, this are the 5 Pokemon in my team currently, and I need help on a 6th Team Member. I probably have to many weaknesses like to be listed, so I need a Pokemon that can work wonders >>'. I don't know if it should be an offensive Pokemon, a Deffensive Pokemon, or a supporter. Things that have crossed my mind are: Salamence; I have a MixMence I trained a while ago and he... He is cool, I guess. Bronzong; to help me out with Tangrowth's Ice Weakness and to take Outrages or something. Plus, Reflect/Light Screen and Stealth Rock support is very much appreciated. Spiritomb; just 'cause I think he's cool. Swampert; 'cause i liek mudkipz. And many others, though I don't know why something tells me none is a good pick. Soo... Help, someone?

The Hero Without a Name July 7th, 2008 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kman300 (Post 3736275)
Hey guys. I'm working with kids this summer and one of them has a bunch of cheated pokes that were raised to 100 per rare candy cheat. (ledgendaries etc)

I'd like a team that I can make to mop the floor with him and the other 15 kids or so that have pearl/diamond.

I have diamond only. What 6 pokes do you recommend with EV's and move sets that's an all round team, standard team, very popular or w/e that can take anything they throw at me. Keep in mind non of theirs have ev's or good move sets (most likely anyways). I have sapphire as well but would rather not restart that game if it's not needed.

Thanks

Wow, we're in pretty similar shoes.

One of my friends is being constantly harassed by this noob who says that Blast Burn is always better than Heat Wave, and this noob's calling my friend a dumbass for saying the inverse. Not to mention, this kid's got a shitload of lv100 legendaries to show off, as well as a Wonder Guard Red Gyarados.

That's one reason I'm raising a team; to kick his ass. Presumably, since this kid rare candied all his pokemon to lv100, they're not gonna be EV trained. He probably won't be using items either, and if he does, they're probably noob items (i.e. Silk Scarf, Sharp Beak, etc.)

I need some good, solid advice on team roles; here's my current candidates for the big battle:

Opener
Jolteon @ Focus Sash
Timid
6 HP/252 SPATK/252 SPD
- Baton Pass
- Agility
- Substitute
- Charge Beam

Special Sweeper
Togekiss @ Lum Berry
Timid
6 HP/252 SPATK/252 SPD
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Aura Sphere
- Air Slash

Physical Sweeper
Garchomp @ Life Orb
Jolly
6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
- Swords Dance
- Fire Fang
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

Physical Wall
Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Impish
252 HP/6 ATK/252 DEF
- Spikes
- Drill Peck
- Roar
- Roost

Special Wall
Blissey @ Lefties
Bold
252 DEF/200 HP/58 SPDEF (? I still have yet to trade a Chansey from my FireRed to Emerald and breed for a good one.)
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Heal Bell

Mixed Sweeper
Electrivire @ Expert Belt
Mild
138 ATK/120 SPATK/252 SPD (another Pokemon I haven't really bred for yet.)
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop

Rapid Spinner/Stealth Rocker
Donphan @ Passho Berry
Impish
252 HP/58 ATK/200 DEF (3rd Pokemon not obtained yet)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake

So I need moveset and EV spread suggestions for the Pokemon I don't have yet, especially for 'Vire and Blissey.

. July 7th, 2008 9:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3736904)
Wow, we're in pretty similar shoes.

One of my friends is being constantly harassed by this noob who says that Blast Burn is always better than Heat Wave, and this noob's calling my friend a dumbass for saying the inverse. Not to mention, this kid's got a shitload of lv100 legendaries to show off, as well as a Wonder Guard Red Gyarados.

That's one reason I'm raising a team; to kick his ass. Presumably, since this kid rare candied all his pokemon to lv100, they're not gonna be EV trained. He probably won't be using items either, and if he does, they're probably noob items (i.e. Silk Scarf, Sharp Beak, etc.)

I need some good, solid advice on team roles; here's my current candidates for the big battle:

Opener
Jolteon @ Focus Sash
Timid
6 HP/252 SPATK/252 SPD
- Baton Pass
- Agility
- Substitute
- Charge Beam

Pretty good. Assuming Charge Beam is there to give the BPer that extra boost, right? Always sub the first turn; he'll likely switch into a counter, and trust me, you don't want Jolteon to be hit too hard. I also suggest Petaya Berry >>>> Focus Sash. You'll be subbing, which ruins your Focus Sash. After a few subs, Petaya Berry will bring you up a SpA stage, so technically, after a Charge Beam, you'll be passing on a NP to Togekiss.

Special Sweeper
Togekiss @ Lum Berry
Timid
6 HP/252 SPATK/252 SPD
- Nasty Plot
- Roost
- Aura Sphere
- Air Slash

I like it, NP is the best set. If you want, try out these EV's: 252 HP, 152 SpA, 104 Spe

Physical Sweeper
Garchomp @ Life Orb
Jolly
6 HP/252 ATK/252 SPD
- Swords Dance
- Fire Fang
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

Grand, you could try Sub > Fire Fang and Outrage > Dragon Claw because, seriously, a Swords Danced Outrage HURTS. And with sub, you have a turn of survivability.

Physical Wall
Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Impish
252 HP/6 ATK/252 DEF
- Spikes
- Drill Peck
- Roar
- Roost

Dislike 252/252/6 sets on Skarm, but it's usable.

Special Wall
Blissey @ Lefties
Bold
252 DEF/200 HP/58 SPDEF (? I still have yet to trade a Chansey from my FireRed to Emerald and breed for a good one.)
- Seismic Toss
- Thunder Wave
- Softboiled
- Heal Bell

Hmm...I'd like to see 40 HP/252 Def/216 SpD for more special sponging.


Mixed Sweeper
Electrivire @ Expert Belt
Mild
138 ATK/120 SPATK/252 SPD (another Pokemon I haven't really bred for yet.)
- Thunderpunch
- Ice Punch
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop


Never use 'Vire. It's walled by too many things. I'd use something like a Scarfed Heatran or Choice Banded Weavile to revenge kill:

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest
252 SpA/42 HP/ 216 Spe
HP Ice/Dragon Pulse (if the former is too hard to get)
Fire Blast/Lava Plume/Overheat/Flamethrower
Earth Power
Explosion

Rapid Spinner/Stealth Rocker
Donphan @ Passho Berry
Impish
252 HP/58 ATK/200 DEF (3rd Pokemon not obtained yet)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake

Donphan is outclassed, but whatever.

So I need moveset and EV spread suggestions for the Pokemon I don't have yet, especially for 'Vire and Blissey.

I like you're team. Wonderguard Gyarados is retarded since everyone hits it for super effective. Good luck kicking the hackers undeserving ass.

The Hero Without a Name July 7th, 2008 9:58 PM

Thanks! And yeah... ain't nothing like showing arrogant little kids they're not the best in the world.

EDIT: Forgot... Forry could run a good set similar to Donphan.

. July 7th, 2008 10:13 PM

Forry is great, but I just noticed, you lacked a serious fighting resist. I'd either replace Vire or Phan with either a Weezing or Gliscor.

Hadim Sinan Pasha July 7th, 2008 10:24 PM

Okay, so I'm just on my last week of holidays and decided that I could maybe finish off my Gallade and do a last mnute EV training spree. Anyways, I'm aiming for 3 poke's at the end of it all that will look like this:
Infernape @ Life Orb
Jolly <6HP/252Attack/252Speed>
Swords Dance
Flare Blitz
Close Combat
Thunderpunch
Standard Physical Attacker. Nuf said. Wanna be original and MixApe is too common so this would be a bit of an unpredictable switch in. They'll think he's carrying CB. lolwut?

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Timid <6HP/252Sp.Attack/252Speed>
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Thunder Bolt
Focus Blast
Standard Gengar with Wide Lens. Wide Lens is for the accuracy as Hypnosis and Focus Blast are an important part of this moveset. No more said.

Heracross @ Flame Orb/Wide Lens
Adamant <6HP/252Attack/252Speed>
Swords Dance
Megahorn
Close Combat
Facade
Well I'm thinking Flame Orb to be original but Wide Lens would increase the accuracy of Magehorn. I'll be using Swarm to power up Megahorn. Not sure, never made a Heracross set before.

So, uhm, yeah, tell me what you think. They aren't going to be in my team but I'll put them in as substitutes or replacements if one of my team poke's isn't working.

. July 7th, 2008 10:39 PM

Go Stone Edge > Thunderpunch on Nape. It's more useful and more powerful.

PKMN Trainer Green July 8th, 2008 1:24 AM

How's this for an Umbreon set? I already have Gliscor so I was thinking of making this guy a Special Wall.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Careful Nature (+SpD, -SpA)
252 HP /56 Def /200 SpD
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Toxic
- Wish

EDIT: I feel kinda stupid now. I meant Special Wall, not Special Sweeper >_>

Aquilae July 8th, 2008 1:34 AM

Umbreon cannot do the job of a special wall well, due to its weaknesses and its inability to prevent setups (eg. if a Togekiss Nasty Plots, what can it do?)

I wouldn't recommend a special wall per se as judging by my previous battles, noone runs them and more often than not they provide free switch ins. Your best bets should be either Blissey or Shuckle (the latter in Sandstorm, which Tyranitar or Hippowdon can set up):

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm, 252 Def/80 SpA/176 SpD
Natural Cure

Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Softboiled

Shuckle @ Leftovers
Impish/Relaxed/Bold, 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
Sturdy/Gluttony

Toxic
Encore
Rest
Stealth Rock/Knock Off/Body Slam/Sleep Talk

PKMN Trainer Green July 8th, 2008 1:40 AM

Alright. The Shuckle seems interesting, I think I'll use it. Thanks for the help.

Aquilae July 8th, 2008 1:43 AM

Uh there are a lot of downsides to using Shuckle > Blissey if you haven't noticed, I would say go Blissey. Shuckle can wall physical stuff but would take a huge hit, and if Stealth Rocks are up on the field it would rob it of 25% health everytime it switches in. It still has more weaknesses than Blissey, including most notably the Water weakness.

devilicious July 8th, 2008 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3737249)
Umbreon cannot do the job of a special wall well, due to its weaknesses and its inability to prevent setups (eg. if a Togekiss Nasty Plots, what can it do?)

Yawn! But yeah, I agree that Umbreon shouldn't be walling stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3737249)
I wouldn't recommend a special wall per se as judging by my previous battles, noone runs them and more often than not they provide free switch ins. Your best bets should be either Blissey or Shuckle (the latter in Sandstorm, which Tyranitar or Hippowdon can set up):

And I agree again. Having a Pokémon designed just to wall Sp. Atks, that's not called Blissey, is going to be a deadweight more often than you expect. One other alternative is using Special Sponges. I use Lanturn it works great, since it has a huge number of resistances, and both its weakness are very predictable.

The Hero Without a Name July 8th, 2008 8:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3736914)
I like you're team. Wonderguard Gyarados is retarded since everyone hits it for super effective. Good luck kicking the hackers undeserving ass.

One more thing... Jolteon's main purpose is to BP off an agility to Togekiss, so when Togekiss NP's, he's not only deadly, but he's fast too.

kman300 July 8th, 2008 10:18 AM

Yay or nay?

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly Nature
252 Atk / 216 Spd / 40 HP
- Swords Dance
- Ice Shard
- Night Slash
- Brick Break
Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid Nature
252 Sp.Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Hypnosis
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
160 HP / 132 Sp.Atk / 216 Spd
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf
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76 HP / 252 Def / 180 Atk
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Whirlwind
- Force Palm
- Stone Edge
Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Atk
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Stealth Rock
- Roost
Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
252 Def / 216 Sp.Def / 40 Sp.Atk
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Softboiled

mintyfresh* July 8th, 2008 4:13 PM

hey guys, i just recieved a beauty of a chimchar in a trade, and i wanna utiliize its nasty IVs and naive nature. Im pretty much wondering if for the chim listed below, is there a better moveset than a standard mixape (include ev spreads and items)

Chimchar- Naive
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