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. July 17th, 2008 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3768253)
Still pretty beefy in OU, with support. Garchomp with a Swords Dance boost & Life Orb using Outrage does about

Move Damage: 139 - 164
Damage: 39.27% - 46.33%

On a Max HP/0 Def Steelix. And he can counter with Ice Fang, or Big Bang. Or just Gyro Ball. Just something to throw out there.

But that's something he counters :D I'm talking about his weaknesses. A reliable wall and/or tank should be able to take a hit from something that can hit it for SE.

sims796 July 17th, 2008 6:05 PM

Nope, not entirely. Just talking about his weaknesses doesn't make him weak. He has plenty of good points. So little pokes, hell, so little steel type can't switch in, nor can they counter it. He walls what he walls,and he walls em pretty good.

. July 17th, 2008 6:07 PM

Still, the lack of an instant, no sleep recovery hurts. =-[

Dark Azelf July 17th, 2008 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3768246)
And I'm talking about UU in OU >.> And Cress doesn't get destroyed by Pursuit like a lot of people think. They stay in, take it, Reflect, and heal up. Steelix can only rest, thus making him subjectable to repeated Surfs.

Yes, and in the same vein as Cress can set up reflect steelix can Toxic your bulky water on the switch in.

Of course its subjectable to repeated surfs, but in all fairness, who in the right mind would keep it in.

"X pokemon cannot wall/ perform well because of X weakness" is a moot point. "Oh noes we cant use Ceelbi, cos Scizor owns it", "oh noes, every team has an ice move so we cant use garchomp", see, its a useless arguement

if you read my post i was infact naming UU pokemon that wall electivire and that it wouldnt impact the metagame much, (Jokingly) not how steelix walls in ou. Of course steelix may now do aswell in OU as it can in UU, but thats because things hit harder, but i reiterate, i DID not at any one point, suggest that steelix should be used in OU. Still it can fill niches, like switch into Outrages even in OU like sims said.

sims796 July 17th, 2008 6:09 PM

Oh my, yes. So we gotta use him carefully. He doesn't wall like he used to, so we use him towall specific threats. I use a RestGrumpig, and it works wonders. But that's besides the point. Yeah...

Still, he can be used in OU indeed, if ya know what your doing.

. July 17th, 2008 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3768281)
Yes, and in the same vein as Cress can set up reflect steelix can Toxic your bulky water on the switch in.

Of course its subjectable to repeated surfs, but in all fairness, who in the right mind would keep it in.

"X pokemon cannot wall because of X weakness" is a moot point. "Oh noes we cant use Ceelbi, cos Scizor owns it", "oh noes, every team has an ice move so we cant use garchomp", see, its a useless arguement

if you read my post i was infact naming UU pokemon that wall electivire and that it wouldnt impact the metagame much, (Jokingly) not how steelix walls in ou. Of course steelix may now do aswell in OU as it can in UU, but thats because things hit harder, but i reiterate, i DID not at any one point, suggest that steelix should be used in OU.

You're making it seem as if I was trying to point out bad things with your post. And very rarely can Steelix survive a Surf with something that has a high SpA

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3768282)
Oh my, yes. So we gotta use him carefully. He doesn't wall like he used to, so we use him towall specific threats. I use a RestGrumpig, and it works wonders. But that's besides the point. Yeah...

Grumpig is cool, counters Mixape. A huge accomplishment for a UU Pokemon.

Dark Azelf July 17th, 2008 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3768287)
You're making it seem as if I was trying to point out bad things with your post. And very rarely can Steelix survive a Surf with something that has a high SpA
.

I give up seriously.

You didnt read my previous post did you ?


"No one in the right mind would keep it in, thats what the rest of you team is for"

"X pokemon has X weakness, so cant perform well" is a moot point.

airconditioning July 17th, 2008 6:37 PM

GLISCOR SUXX CUZ HE CN'T LIEV A IEC BEEM OLOLOLOLOLOL

SABLEYE FTW

D_A has a point, yo. Steelix sucks, but that's not the point. :/

sims796 July 17th, 2008 6:42 PM

You weren't paying any attention either, right? It doesn't suck at all, nor is it unplayable in OU. As I said, Garchomp doesn't even 3HKO a 0 Def, max HP Steelix.

airconditioning July 17th, 2008 6:49 PM

Hey, I was helping you prove a point. You should be thanking me. >:(

And no, I was not listening.

sims796 July 17th, 2008 6:53 PM

Everybody's so testy today :( Let us join hands in song. Not a hymn to war, but something cool, calmm, like the Canadian national anthym.

UUs are great.

Archer July 17th, 2008 9:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3768396)
Everybody's so testy today :( Let us join hands in song. Not a hymn to war, but something cool, calmm, like the Canadian national anthym.

UUs are great.

ROFL. Really, UUs can fill spots in OU, but they are UU for a reason. You all know exactly what you are talking about, so break it up...

Anyone found a usuable Bibarel set?

devilicious July 18th, 2008 1:35 AM

Bibarel ♥

There are two Bibarel sets I just love.

First is the Smogon Special Attack set
Bibarel @ Leftovers / Life Orb
6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Simple Ability
Modest Nature
- Charge Beam
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Grass Knot / Super Fang

Simple will make Charge Beam give you +2 Sp. Atk with each boost, which is just awesome. On UU, use Grass Know for Lanturn and Quagsire. On OU, use Super Fang so Blissey thinks twice before switching in.

And the other set is an original one I've used with a lot of success;
Bibarel @ Leftovers
232 HP / 100 Def / 136 SpD / 40 Atk
Unaware Ability
Impish Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Waterfall
- Super Fang

Those EVs provide one of the best defensive spreads for Bibarel. Just Super Fang everything you can- and finish them off with Waterfall. Then you can just Rest all damage, but still get some Super Fangs with Sleep Talk. With Unaware, they can't set up on you, and you can send this on stuff like CM Suicune even after it has used 6 Calm Minds, resist the Surf, and take out 50% of its HP. It's a quite fun set. :3

daveyboy July 18th, 2008 2:13 AM

Best weezing moveset anyone.

moments. July 18th, 2008 2:33 AM

Weezing @ Leftover
Nature : Bold
EV's : 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe

Sludge Bomb
Thunderbolt / Will-O-Wisp
Haze
Pain Split

Physical wall and a great fighting (especially Heracross) counter. Generally I go with Will-O-Wisp in place of Haze but that is the Smogon set right there.

Dark Azelf July 18th, 2008 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3768352)
GLISCOR SUXX CUZ HE CN'T LIEV A IEC BEEM OLOLOLOLOLOL


XDDDD


Ummm, dont you mean Powder Snow ? lol


Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyboy (Post 3769174)
Best weezing moveset anyone.


You can use the one posted above, or there is this.


[email protected]
252 HP / 176 DEF / 80 SP.ATT
Bold/Relaxed Nature Nature
- Pain Split / Explosion
- Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast

Basically anti dragon, hera and Gyara etc all in one (Sweeper buffer). Its a more offensive set, so boom is perfectly acceptable, if you want sacrifice durability and for those people who think Blissey is a good counter =).

80 Sp.att evs guarantee a 2hko on yache Chomp which is cool, Fire Blast can OHKO Roserade, so that may be a worthwhile investment








EDIT @ Archer, this is the most useful set ive used for Bibarel >_>

[email protected]
Jolly nature
232 HP / 80 Def / 80 Sp.D / 116 Spe
- Super Fang
- Waterfall
- Taunt
- Thunderwave / Yawn

Bulky Beaver, Yawn/T-wave then punish those switches with probably the most broken move in the game, super fang, Taunt recovery attempts etc =).

Speed lets you outpace Bulky Gyara and no speed Gliscor.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! July 18th, 2008 7:53 AM

Does anybody know any good movesets for Clefable?

Espy Psyche July 18th, 2008 8:02 AM

Oh how I'd love to link for this...

One of my set developers on Defender made this set and gave me clearance to advertise it. He says it works, but I've never used it.

Clefable @ Toxic Orb
EVs: 84 HP / 164 Atk / 132 Def / 100 SAtk / 24 SDef
Nature: Brave (Atk+/Spd-)
-Facade
-Fling/Toxic
-Fire Blast
-Softboiled

It's a Toxic/Facade set that takes no damage from being poisoned. Fling is a once-off Knock Off and Toxic in one move, though if you want to spread poison Toxic is better. Fire Blast kills a lot of stuff that can wall you, and Softboiled to heal.

It looks good on paper, but I really don't know how well it works. I'm taking the word of one of my analysis writers here, so don't flak me.

Dark Azelf July 18th, 2008 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KommanderMarz (Post 3769827)
Does anybody know any good movesets for Clefable?

[email protected]/ Life orb
252 HP / 152 Def / 104 Sp.At
Bold Nature
Trait : magic Guard
- Calm mind
- Thunderbolt
- ice Beam
- Softboiled

I however, prefer Hidden power fighting + Shadow ball on this for attacking options, as it covers everything in the game for at lest neutral =)


Ivs also used this set, its kinda funky

[email protected] / Burn orb
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 4 DEF
Calm Nature
Trait : Magic Guard
- Softboiled
- Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Wish
- Toxic / Thunderwave
- Seismic Toss / Ice beam / Flamethrower



Blissey with weight loss =p.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! July 18th, 2008 9:46 AM

Thanks to both of you.
But would you recommend using Clefable in the first place?
I'm also curious about a moveset for Drifbloon's evolution (Blimp-something...)

Espy Psyche July 18th, 2008 10:00 AM

Driftblim. And the best set for it would be most likely a similar idea to Jumpman Espeon.

Driftblim @ Petaya Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Spd / 80 SDef
Nature: Timid (Spd+/Atk-)
- Shadow Ball
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Substitute

. July 18th, 2008 1:56 PM

Starting a new team, Rain Dance to be specific, and I need some help with the following:

1) Good set for a Gyarados lead (DD set seems tempting, but Rest-Talk could work)
2) Set for a mixed walling Registeel

I wanted to use Ludicolo as my Special Wall, and Registeel as my physical wall, but Registeel is a mixed wall, right? So, could Gyara be a physical wall? Need help plz.

moments. July 18th, 2008 3:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy Psyche (Post 3770142)
Driftblim. And the best set for it would be most likely a similar idea to Jumpman Espeon.

Driftblim @ Petaya Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Spd / 80 SDef
Nature: Timid (Spd+/Atk-)
- Shadow Ball
- Calm Mind / Stockpile
- Baton Pass
- Substitute

Stockpile may seem not as good as Calm Mind, but raising both defense stats in one turn is quite a feat! You can boost the defenses sky high then switch so you have a near indestructible wall.. =P

True Justice July 18th, 2008 6:01 PM

I need a recommendation on the moveset for my Glaceon:
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 Spd
-Ice Beam
-Water Pulse/Substitute
-Wish
-Yawn

Ice Beam as an offensive move, Water Pulse to take care of other weaknesses or Substitute as a more defensive set, Wish to heal, and Yawn to either make opponents switch or fall asleep (their choice).

My only problem is between Water Pulse and Substitute (and maybe Yawn). I'd prefer Ice Beam to not be it's only attack but a Sub/Wish set seems really strong.

So I could really use some help with this one.

Hadim Sinan Pasha July 18th, 2008 8:02 PM

Well. I recently got a Deoxys of a mate and transformed it to a Deoxys-S in Veilstone. Checked some sets for Deoxys-S on Smogon but I didn't really like 'em. Anyways, I made a completely different set to the Mixed Attacker and changed the EV's. Funny because I only did it after replacing Superpower. Here's what I was thinking:
Deoxys-S @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Jolly <252Speed/252SpAtk/4HP>
Psychic
Grass Knot
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt/Flamethrower

I can't decide on the item and the last slot. It's quiet orginal with Shadow Ball but Flamethrower would be something they wouldn't expect. I've been testing the set out and it's helped in a few battles. I'm just not sure about that last slot because I've got a Blissey which looks a little like this:
Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm <252SpDef/216Def/42SpAtk>
Softboiled
Toxic
Aromatherapy/Ice Beam
Flamethrower

Yeah. Flamethrower on this set because of the Ghost coverage + it helps against Steel types when Toxic doesn't effect them. Just asking what your opinions are on my original Blissey and Deoxys-S sets.

EDIT:The Blissey can take on and defeat a Standard Palkia which would use the following moveset:
Palkia @ Lustrous Orb/Life Orb/Coice Specs
Hasty <6Atk/252SpAtk/252Speed>
Draco Meteor/Spacial Rend
Focus Punch/Aura Sphere/Aqua Tail
Thunder/Substitute
Surf
Results are based on Shoddy Battles against "not-so-bad" opponents.

Spoiler:
w00t, 300th post.

airconditioning July 18th, 2008 9:35 PM

God damn.

Flamethrower? Surprising? That's probably because Deoxys doesn't learn it in the first place. It would be awesome if he did, though. Outside of that, Superpower-less Deoxys is retarded. The real threat of Deoxys is that he can hit hard on both sides of the spectrum- no matter who an opponent sends in, Deoxys can hit that Poke fast, and hard (and super-effective). Otherwise, Blissey just laughs in your face. Grass Knot is stupid, as it only hit Swampert and bulky grounds (who are already hit pretty hard by Ice Beam). Shadow Ball is only for Cresselia- which is kinda stupid, as a D-E Shadow Ball can't even OHKO Azelf. Leftovers is stupid, as Deoxys needs to hit as hard as possible- besides, he's not going to survive long enough for Lefties to really be useful. And last, I love how you put Jolly on an all-Special set.

Blissey and Seismic Toss go together like a Heavy and Medic- perfectly. I can understand if you want to hit Ghosts, but without Seismic Toss, there's just so many other things that you don't hit- enjoy being walled and outstalled. If you're really worried about Ghosts, run Seismic Toss + Flamethrower. That way, you can hit the Steels that Toxic doesn't. By the way, Calm Blissey runs 252 Def/ 216 SDef, not the other way around.

Hadim Sinan Pasha July 18th, 2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 3771848)
God damn.

Flamethrower? Surprising? That's probably because Deoxys doesn't learn it in the first place. It would be awesome if he did, though. Outside of that, Superpower-less Deoxys is retarded. The real threat of Deoxys is that he can hit hard on both sides of the spectrum- no matter who an opponent sends in, Deoxys can hit that Poke fast, and hard (and super-effective). Otherwise, Blissey just laughs in your face. Grass Knot is stupid, as it only hit Swampert and bulky grounds (who are already hit pretty hard by Ice Beam). Shadow Ball is only for Cresselia- which is kinda stupid, as a D-E Shadow Ball can't even OHKO Azelf. Leftovers is stupid, as Deoxys needs to hit as hard as possible- besides, he's not going to survive long enough for Lefties to really be useful. And last, I love how you put Jolly on an all-Special set.

Blissey and Seismic Toss go together like a Heavy and Medic- perfectly. I can understand if you want to hit Ghosts, but without Seismic Toss, there's just so many other things that you don't hit- enjoy being walled and outstalled. If you're really worried about Ghosts, run Seismic Toss + Flamethrower. That way, you can hit the Steels that Toxic doesn't. By the way, Calm Blissey runs 252 Def/ 216 SDef, not the other way around.

Blissey: Yeah, I know that Calm Blissey has higher Defence EV's than Special Defence EV's but with that much Special Defence, it's almost God-essly. Besides, 10 Base Defence isn't what i really want. I'd rather use Snorlax. Sadly I can't teach it Seismic Toss (haven't got my Leaf Green, gave to my friend and now I don't know where he is). Thinking of WishBliss or a Cleric. Lol. Cleric w/o ST, that's really funny but it might work.

Deoxys-S: I was gonna use Life Orb on this guy but Lefties seemed better. Ok, that's gotta change. Also, fine, I'll use Super Power and I guess I should use T-Bolt >> Shadow Ball. What about the EV Spread. It's one I made up but I was doubting how good it would be. I'll split some more Attack EV's as I have none so far. So This is what it's looking like ATM:
Deoxys-S @ Life Orb
Lonely (+Atk/-Def) <168Atk/168SpAtk/168Speed>
Super Power
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Wow, already looking better. Thunderbolt looks better than Shadow Ball. Pity you can't use Flamethrower. That's why I hate hackers, especially when it's my friend. As for Shadow Ball, I'll just add in a Gengar for support. Besides, he'd use S-B better.

Dark Azelf July 19th, 2008 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Celebi~ (Post 3771937)
Blissey: Yeah, I know that Calm Blissey has higher Defence EV's than Special Defence EV's but with that much Special Defence, it's almost God-essly. Besides, 10 Base Defence isn't what i really want. I'd rather use Snorlax. Sadly I can't teach it Seismic Toss (haven't got my Leaf Green, gave to my friend and now I don't know where he is). Thinking of WishBliss or a Cleric. Lol. Cleric w/o ST, that's really funny but it might work.


Just a note on that base 10 def, if you max it, Blissey takes hits on the physical side just about as good as a max hp Scizor, just thought you'd like to know.




As for Deoxys

160 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 96 SPEED @Hasty/Naive Plox

Hadim Sinan Pasha July 19th, 2008 1:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3772150)
As for Deoxys

160 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 96 SPEED @Hasty/Naive Plox

I didn't know that it could take hits as well as a standard Scizor with Base 10 DEFENCE.
As for the Deoxys, I'd love to have a Naive/Hasty nature but I only have 3 Deoxys which I got from trades and Lonely is the closest to Naive/Hasty I have. I don't have WiFi and I doubt anyone would have a Naive/Hasty UT Deoxys of some sort for trade. My nearest Macca's probs is Hotspot but meh, I've never bothered checking. Yeah, anyways, thanks for the EV's. I'll check my Macca's, if not my friends got WiFi.

Appletun July 19th, 2008 2:10 AM

Can anyone help me out? I need a good move-set for a Rapidash, I'm focusing on Speed and Attack, and the last 6 'evs on Attack.

Angelic Diablo July 19th, 2008 2:23 AM

[email protected]/Wide Lens
Jolly Nature
Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
-Megahorn
-Flare Blitz
-Hypnosis
-Will o Wisp

Double status because Rapidash doesn't have much else to deem a Choice item worth it, (Poison Jab and Return maybe)

Appletun July 19th, 2008 2:27 AM

Thanks, I'll try that. Do you know where I can get the lens from? I think its the BT, but I just wanted to double check.

sims796 July 19th, 2008 4:09 AM

Yeah, I was looking at Flareon, and it isn't a total phailure at all. I wanna try it

[email protected]? Life Orb? Certainly not Expert Belt
Nature:Bold?
Overheat
Return/Double Edge
WoW
Wish
EV:???

I could use some help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Celebi~ (Post 3772197)
I didn't know that it could take hits as well as a standard Scizor with Base 10 DEFENCE.

Yeah, true. Scizor can't take EQs much, and it is still taken out by the same moves as Blissey, with the same amount of hits. A Gyarados Waterfall will remove nearly the same chunk off of blissey as it will Scizor.

No ur pogeymanz before you argue.

Aquilae July 19th, 2008 4:39 AM

Just go CM or Curse with Flareon, and probably Baton Pass. With its shallow movepool even with base 130 attack it would not be hurting much, so if you want an offensive verson go with CM/Curse, or just use a tanky build and WoW/Wish.

sims796 July 19th, 2008 4:47 AM

For offensive options (I didn't know it could learn CM), should I go with Double Edge &/or Overheat?

How's this for a Wish set:

[email protected]
Nature:Calm
Wish
WoW
Protect/CM
Overheat

???

Espy Psyche July 19th, 2008 11:06 AM

Flareon cannot learn Calm Mind. The only Eeveelution that gets it is Espeon. It does, however, get Curse. The only problem is that Flareon has 95 base SAtk instead of 95 base HP, otherwise it could run Curse/Fire Fang/Bite/Rest as a set.

Probably the best thing to do with Flareon is to Choice it.

Flareon @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
Nature: Adamant (Atk+/SAtk-)
- Fire Fang (really needed Flare Blitz)
- Bite
- WoW
- Iron Tail/Double-Edge/Return

Outspeeds most CBers with Scarf and burns them before they can do anything. Adamant Flareon OHKOs CBCross (the one CBer you don't want to burn) 99% of the time with Fire Fang, and it's definite if there's SR or Spikes out. Other moves are really for coverage or power, you might force an Alakazam or Azelf out with SE Bite.

Johnnyboi July 19th, 2008 2:15 PM

Hey guys! I just bred forth a really nice Lickitung (well, I dunno if it's nice for you uber breeders out there, but for me, it's quite outstanding), and I was wondering what moves/EV spread you guys would recommend for it?
(I named it MikePatton BTW)

Lickitung - Adamant
HP: 31
Att: 24 - 29
Def: 30 - 31
SpA: 20 - 29
SpD: 0 - 9
Speed: 7 - 14

I also bred over some eggmoves from a Snorlax I've got, so it's got Body Slam and Earthquake. I dunno if I should use those, what I do know though is that I want explosion on little Mike. (stab, adamant, + high IV explosion is gonna slaughter pretty much anything)

So, it's got really nice HP, attack and defense, he's adamant, which boosts his attack even more. He's got good Special Attack aswell, but I probably won't be using that anyway, he's got really bad Special Defense and quite bad speed though.

I'm gonna evolve it to Lickilicki of course. (My team is far from finished, but I've also got a Gengar, a Tentacruel, a Typhlosion, an Infernape and some other Pokémon to pick from when I'm selecting my final 6)

So, thanks in advance guys!

sims796 July 19th, 2008 4:29 PM

Not trying to outstage you, Jonny.

Can Tickle work out on Flareon?

Hadim Sinan Pasha July 19th, 2008 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ao (Post 3772288)
Thanks, I'll try that. Do you know where I can get the lens from? I think its the BT, but I just wanted to double check.

The Wide Lens costs 1000 coins at the Veilstone Game Corner.

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2008 6:47 PM

so wait a second, no shadowball on Deoxys? because my deoxys looks like this:

Deoxys-A
Hasty Nature
Expert Belt
Hp: 217
Attack: 397 Ice Beam
Defense: 58 Thunder
Sp. Atk: 429 Shadow Ball
Sp. Def: 51 Superpower
Speed: 424

I know Life Orb would work better on him, but my life orb is on my infernape, and Deoxys is more likely to get a super effective hit anyway. This set was recommended on smogon, though they has possibly hidden power (something) over shadowball. I couldn't exactly get that, so I went with shadowball instead.

airconditioning July 19th, 2008 7:24 PM

We were talking about Deoxys Speed here, not Deoxys Attack. Speed doesn't like Shadow Ball, because it does ass to everything it's supposed to counter. As for Attack, I have no idea what the standard for him is. So I guess Shadow Ball works, but I have no idea. :|

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2008 8:28 PM

oh, okay. a friend of mine who claims to be good at pokemon says Deoxys-S was bad, and that Deoxys-A and Deoxys-D were better. I just picked the one of the two that sounded more appealing to me. :\

airconditioning July 19th, 2008 8:45 PM

Your friend seems pretty slow on the uptake. Deoxys Speed was bad- when it was an Uber. It has since been moved down to OU, where it's been fitting in quite well. 95 base Atk/ SAtk isn't so bad when you can outrun everything and hit everything SE.

sims796 July 19th, 2008 8:47 PM

And it isn't soo powerful either. Priority moves are it's bane. As is Grumpig.

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2008 8:49 PM

not familiar with the acronyms, SE lost me. My friend doesn't like D/P, so he refuses to keep up with it. He was just going off of what Advanced was.

I honestly don't build my teams around OU, UU, Uber though because I have never battled in a league set up before. just PBR randoms and friends around the neighborhood. I used to run Deoxys in my party, and my friend would say "you know Deoxys is an uber, and if you're going to use him your opponent's allowed to use an entire team of ubers on you if they want." in the end though it wasn't the possible threat of uber aggression that got me to stop using him, but how unfair he was against those people I were playing who didn't use Ubers. (save for a friend using Wobbuffet, but that wasn't that hard to overcome.)

sims796 July 19th, 2008 8:51 PM

Super Effective.

Deo does it much.

Pogiforce-14 July 19th, 2008 8:54 PM

Ah. yes he does. Forgive me if I sound like a noob, I'm still learning. (hope my team advice thread gets approved soon)
Smogon recommended a life orb on Deoxys, and for a while I was using it, but I needed hte life orb on my Infernape, plus I hear there's a rules clause in some matches that disallows two pokemon holding the same item. (though I only have one life orb anyway). so I put an expert belt on Deoxys instead. not as strong as expert belt, but since he SEs most everything he gets almost as much benefit from it.

sims796 July 19th, 2008 9:22 PM

Not many people plays with item clause.

Ársa July 19th, 2008 9:24 PM

I've actually been wondering, why not use Fire Punch on D-E?

[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Fire Punch
Superpower/Brick Break
Zen Headbutt
Rock Slide/Pursuit

Bronzong:

Fire Punch does 50.00% - 58.88% vs Standard Sassy Bronzong. (High 2HKO)

Blissey:

Superpower does 76.75% - 90.20% vs 252HP/252Def Bold Blissey. (2HKO)
Brick Break does 48.18% - 56.72% vs 252HP/252Def Bold Blissey. (Medium 2HKO)

Celebi:

Fire Punch does 35.15% - 41.34% vs 252HP/220Def Bold Celebi. (3HKO)
Pursuit does 38.61% - 45.30% vs 252HP/220Def Bold Celebi. (Switch) (3HKO)

Gengar:

Pursuit does 118.70% - 139.31% vs Standard Gengar. (OHKO)

Cresselia:

Pursuit does 2/5 of jack all vs Resttalk Cresselia. (1,000,000,000,000,000KO) >_< [/jks]

OHKO's Machamp, Heracross, Breloom with Zen Headbutt. OHKO's Tyranitar, 2HKO's Blissey, 2HKO's Resttalk Lax (Possible OHKO with Stealth Rock). I think you get the idea.

~T_S

ABYAY July 19th, 2008 9:40 PM

Question T_S; what does it do vs. Dragons with Ice Punch (if used), and what does it do to Skarmory/Forry with Fire Punch?

It looks very interesting, and I may actually try it sometime.

Aquilae July 20th, 2008 12:06 AM

And the reason you are using a physical Deoxys is? It wouldn't get past most physical walls due to its low attack and it would have to sacrifice EVs in Attack and two moveslots to KO common physical walls.

Special Deoxys can use Superpower to effectively get rid of most special walls, netting a 2HKO as well, and it can deal more damage on Celebi (~60% with Ice Beam), Cresselia (~30% with Shadow Ball), and around the same damage with HP Fire on Bronzong. (42% - 49% with max SpA, but without +Speed Deoxys wouldn't outrun as much as it could)

moments. July 20th, 2008 12:36 AM

Can I get the set for a Mixed Sweeper Sharpedo?
Anyone have any suggestions on changes? Currently he looks like this straight from Smogon;
Sharpedo @ Life Orb
Nature : Hasty
Ability : Rough Skin
EV's : 76 Atk / 180 SpA / 252 Spe
Earthquake
Crunch
Surf
Ice Beam

It is an awesome set but I want to know if there is any way to make him stronger or another set which works better for coverage etc.

mintyfresh* July 20th, 2008 10:32 AM

hey guys,

i was thinking of making a lead support infernape. Tell me what you guys think of this set.

Infernape (male)
Naive Nature
252 HP, 212 Speed, 44 Spec Attk
Substitute
stealth Rock
will o wisp
Focus Blast/ Fire Blast *which one?

BILLYBOB July 20th, 2008 10:40 AM

Help with my team....
 
Hello guys i need one more pokemon to complete my team i was wondering if you guys can help me pick the right one.Here is my team now:
Heatran
Bastidon
Torterra
Empolean
Salamence
?

So plz tell me what my 6th pokemon should be, ice, electric, dark, psychic or specific names anything would help..Thanks:)

Romo_Owens July 20th, 2008 10:42 AM

Hey could somebody please suggest a moveset for a Calm Mind Cresselia?
I was thinking a 252 HP/52 DEF/204 SP. DEF spread, calm nature but I don't know what to do with the moves. Due to it's stats, Cresselia is one of the best walls in the game but I can't decide which moves to use.
I was thinking:

-Ice Beam/Psychic: I Don't know which one STAB or type coverage
-Moonlight
-Calm Mind
-Thunder Wave/Light Screen/Safeguard/Energy Ball
I can't decide on the last spot either I go with Thunder Wave, a status condition move, a support move like reflect light screen or safeguard, or energy ball/grass knot as another direct attack. What do you guys think? Because I'm not sure

Matt-O July 20th, 2008 10:47 AM

First of all, this belongs in S&M. Secondly, what are they all doing? Is Torterra your Physical wall? Is Salamence Special, Physical or Mixed? What you need isn't based on types, it's based on what jobs are unfilled.

BILLYBOB July 20th, 2008 10:51 AM

Heatran is my pokemon against leaf type, empolean is for fire and rock,Salamance is my defence and counter against dragon types.And Bastidon is my physical wall.

And sorry for posting it here.Im new!

Matt-O July 20th, 2008 10:55 AM

Okay, then post it in Strategies and Movesets will be more than happy to help you. Be ready to get your team torn apart though, that's what the tend to do.

Dark Azelf July 20th, 2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3776372)
Hey could somebody please suggest a moveset for a Calm Mind Cresselia?
I was thinking a 252 HP/52 DEF/204 SP. DEF spread, calm nature but I don't know what to do with the moves. Due to it's stats, Cresselia is one of the best walls in the game but I can't decide which moves to use.
I was thinking:

-Ice Beam/Psychic: I Don't know which one STAB or type coverage
-Moonlight
-Calm Mind
-Thunder Wave/Light Screen/Safeguard/Energy Ball
I can't decide on the last spot either I go with Thunder Wave, a status condition move, a support move like reflect light screen or safeguard, or energy ball/grass knot as another direct attack. What do you guys think? Because I'm not sure

Is outclassed by Jirachi as a calm mind sweeper =p. But W/E.

[email protected]
96 HP / 252 Sp,A / 160 Speed
Timid Nature
- Calm mind
- Moonlight
- Psychic
- Charge Beam / Ice beam / Hidden Power Fighting

Hits 270 Speed, allowing Cresselia to outspeed Adamant Heracross and KO it with Psychic after a Calm Mind.

Hp Fight is for T-Tar and Weavile, which may probably the best choice tbh.




@T_S, for Physical Deoxys i use: - Fire Punch / Super Power / Ice Punch / Zen Headbutt. @Choice Band, but still blegh.Special outclasses it.

Pursuit isnt good on it in OU, only in ubers where it can revenge kill Deoxys Attack with it. As everything else take 2% from it lol.

airconditioning July 20th, 2008 11:22 AM

Don't worry about your team. Anything can beat the Elite Four.

BILLYBOB July 20th, 2008 11:34 AM

not worried about the elite 4 worried about the online battles.

homsar July 20th, 2008 11:37 AM

If this is for online battles then typing is the least of your worries. Go to the rating section and see what they say.

Dark Azelf July 20th, 2008 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by homsar (Post 3776590)
If this is for online battles then typing is the least of your worries. Go to the rating section and see what they say.

No, this is the right place, he only wanted moves etc for them.

It also does not meet the specification needed to be a rmt, that being EVS, Natures, Items etc.



Quote:

Originally Posted by mintyfresh* (Post 3776340)
hey guys,

i was thinking of making a lead support infernape. Tell me what you guys think of this set.

Infernape (male)
Naive Nature
252 HP, 212 Speed, 44 Spec Attk
Substitute
stealth Rock
will o wisp
Focus Blast/ Fire Blast *which one?


I would try

[email protected] Sash
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 DEF
Timid nature
- Taunt / Fake Out
- Stealth Rock
- Will -o- wisp
- Flamethrower


Or something, if its an anti lead your looking for =p.










As for my query, im considering using this : -

http://pkmn.net/games/dp/spiritomb.png
[email protected] *THE REASON TO USE TOXIC ON BLISSEY >=)*
252 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 6 DEF
Modest nature
- Nasty Plot
- Pain Split / Taunt / Hypnosis
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden power Fighting

Nasty Plot Tomb, poops on most walls =), hits everything in the game for neutral and has the stats to pull this of if i do say so myself

However, im unsure about slot 2, suggestions ?

flamehaze94 July 20th, 2008 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mintyfresh* (Post 3776340)
hey guys,

i was thinking of making a lead support infernape. Tell me what you guys think of this set.

Infernape (male)
Naive Nature
252 HP, 212 Speed, 44 Spec Attk
Substitute
stealth Rock
will o wisp
Focus Blast/ Fire Blast *which one?

Infernape is one of the few faster Pokemon that sports Encore, second only to Jumpluff and Alakazam, though I wouldn't use it as a lead necessarily. What's more fun than switching into Garchomp in order to Encore their SD? Thus halting their sweep. Then you Substitute on the switch and do whatever the heck you want.

The set should look something like Substitute/Encore/WoW/Flamethrower with max EVs in Speed and maybe SpAtk or even HP.

Anti July 20th, 2008 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3774796)
I've actually been wondering, why not use Fire Punch on D-E?

[email protected] Orb
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Fire Punch
Superpower/Brick Break
Zen Headbutt
Rock Slide/Pursuit

Bronzong:

Fire Punch does 50.00% - 58.88% vs Standard Sassy Bronzong. (High 2HKO)

Blissey:

Superpower does 76.75% - 90.20% vs 252HP/252Def Bold Blissey. (2HKO)
Brick Break does 48.18% - 56.72% vs 252HP/252Def Bold Blissey. (Medium 2HKO)

Celebi:

Fire Punch does 35.15% - 41.34% vs 252HP/220Def Bold Celebi. (3HKO)
Pursuit does 38.61% - 45.30% vs 252HP/220Def Bold Celebi. (Switch) (3HKO)

Gengar:

Pursuit does 118.70% - 139.31% vs Standard Gengar. (OHKO)

Cresselia:

Pursuit does 2/5 of jack all vs Resttalk Cresselia. (1,000,000,000,000,000KO) >_< [/jks]

OHKO's Machamp, Heracross, Breloom with Zen Headbutt. OHKO's Tyranitar, 2HKO's Blissey, 2HKO's Resttalk Lax (Possible OHKO with Stealth Rock). I think you get the idea.

~T_S

This response might be overdue but I have an opinion on this. I actually tried a CB Deoxys-S with pretty much the same set. It didn't work so I figured using a Life Orb would help it. It didn't.

The problem with physical Deoxys-S is that it just doesn't hit that hard at all. yeah it catches Bronzong by surprise, but most of its counters can heal themselves or often have wish support. Many counters to the standard set counter this set too, taking away its only real good attribute (surprise value to deal damage, basically), most notably Cresselia. The minute they catch on, your Deoxys-S is almost useless.

That and Deoxys-S as better things to be doing. It's a wonderful spiker and obviously a tremendous late game sweeper and revenge killer.

. July 21st, 2008 7:09 AM

Thanks for the wonderful sets you guys posted to help me out >.>

Now, I need the following:

1) Set for a Rest-Talk Gyardos (NO DD'S PLESH)
2) Opinion on which is better: Sub Salac Heracross or Choice Band Heracross
3) Set for a reliable mixed Kingdra (HP Electric/Waterfall/Draco Meteor/Ice Beam)

Dark Azelf July 21st, 2008 7:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3779238)
Thanks for the wonderful sets you guys posted to help me out >.>

Now, I need the following:

1) Set for a Rest-Talk Gyardos (NO DD'S PLESH)
2) Opinion on which is better: Sub Salac Heracross or Choice Band Heracross
3) Set for a reliable mixed Kingdra (HP Electric/Waterfall/Draco Meteor/Ice Beam)



1.

[email protected]
252 HP / 96 Atk / 80 Def / 60 Sp.Def / 20 Speed
Adamant Nature
- Toxic / Ice Fang / Stone Edge
- Waterfall
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

2.

I do not like sub and salac tbh. Choice Band, Scarf, Flame Orb, SD Life Orb + Rest Talk sets are your best bets.


3.


[email protected] Orb
168 Att / 252 Sp.A / 88 Speed
Naught Nature
Trait : Swift Swim
- Draco Meteor
- Waterfall
- Surf / Hydro pump
- Rain Dance

88 speed lets you outspeed Scarf chomp in the rain. Dont even bring empoleon or gyarados up, they cannot take boosted Waterfalls or Draco Meteors respectively =).

Waterfall 2hkos Blissey with this spread.

. July 21st, 2008 7:29 AM

I'm loving the sets. Now that I have my sets done, is there any glaring weaknesses before I post a RMT?

Bronzong/Gyara/Kingdra/Suicune/Heracross/Ludicolo

I was debating over Magnezone or Suicune.

Espy Psyche July 21st, 2008 7:37 AM

As far as Sub Salac Cross goes, do you mean:

Heracross @ Salac Berry
EVs: 252 Atk / 244 Spd / 12 HP
Nature: Adamant (Atk+/SAtk-)
- Substitute
- Megahorn
- Reversal
- Swords Dance

Or did you mean this?

Heracross @ Salac Berry
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 Spd / 8 HP
Nature: Adamant (Atk+/SAtk-)
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Megahorn
- Close Combat

If you meant the former, there's too many Hippowdons and Tyranitars out there for that to work. You'll never get a shot off. If you meant the latter, he's an excellent late game sweeper, but he too suffers Sandstream issues. Also Stealth Rock ruins much attempt to Reversal because it throws off your HP calcs. The second one though isn't really based on HP calcs as much (he's supposed to get berry activation at 25%, but at 12% works too if there's no sandstorms out).

CB Hera is generally better, but the other can be good if you are facing certain teams. Either could work though.

. July 21st, 2008 7:39 AM

By Sub Salac I meant the latter. Sorry, my computers messed up and I thought I posted the SubSalacSD set.

supersmashbro93 July 21st, 2008 10:11 AM

how does the species clause work with having scyther and scizor

. July 21st, 2008 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supersmashbro93 (Post 3779942)
how does the species clause work with having scyther and scizor

Wrong thread, try the Simple Q&A thread, but to answer your question: Scyther and Scizor are two different Pokemon, it applies to the same type of Pokemon (ie. Two Blastoise)

Dark Azelf July 21st, 2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supersmashbro93 (Post 3779942)
how does the species clause work with having scyther and scizor

Quote:

* Species Clause (You may only use one of the same Pokémon per team, eg. Only 1 Charizard, but you may use a Charmander and/or Charmeleon too).
Its just the same pokemon that more than one are prohibited when used on the same team, Scyther and Scizor are not the same poke, so one of each would be allowed on the same team.

supersmashbro93 July 21st, 2008 1:42 PM

what's a good pokemon for a mixed wall and could i get the moveset

ѕℓσωвяσ July 22nd, 2008 4:44 AM

Could anyone make me a moveset for a Kyogre and a Luxray?

They are like partners in crime. -shot'd-

Okay, so I always or usually send these two out first in double battles, and I'm wonding what moveset I can give them to compliment each other. At the mo ive got:

Luxray:
With leftovers
-Spark
-Thunder
-Thunder fang
-Crunch

Kyogre (pretty much untouched since i caught him in emerald)
With Chesto Berry
-Hydro Pump
-Surf
-Rest
-Double-Edge

Thank you!

LethalTexture July 22nd, 2008 5:28 AM

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP

- Surf
- Thunder
- Ice beam
- Water Spout

Water Spout + Rain + STAB + Full HP + First move = Serious hurt. Thunder gets 100% accuracy under rain, Ice Beam hurts the dragons and Surf is there for STAB when your HP is low. The standard set, I believe, thus the most expected, but no less powerful. Remember though, Kyogre is a member of the Uber tier, and I'm not sure how well Luxray would fare in the dizzy heights of Ubers.

I'm not really good with Luxray, somebody else could help you there.

Espy Psyche July 22nd, 2008 6:33 AM

Spark and Thunder Fang are the same move. Don't use them both. Thunder and Spark are also frowned on together, just use Thunder if you're going with Rain Dance-based strategy. Also Luxray isn't the best electric Pokemon to use with Kyo anyway. Jolteon would do much better, as would Ampharos/Raichu/Zapdos. Luxray is physical and Thunder is special. The others I named have higher special stats and are more adept at using Thunder.

I'll give you a sweeping EV spread for Kyogre, there's a more defensive one too. Since you're seeming to be aiming for a PBR-ish team, this one is better.

Kyogre @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
- Water Spout
- Calm Mind
- Thunder
- Ice Beam

Since Kyogre is a legendary, use whatever nature he has since you can't breed for new ones.

Rogue_Ninja July 22nd, 2008 6:35 AM

Need some help with Pikachu future Raichu. Im new so i dont mind starting over.

Current

Pikachu Lvl 35

Nature: Adament/Likes to fight
252 ATK 252 SPD


Thunderbolt
Feint
Agility
Volt Tackle

Dark Azelf July 22nd, 2008 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Espy Psyche (Post 3782929)

Since Kyogre is a legendary, use whatever nature he has since you can't breed for new ones.

Just soft re-sett for one ?

Surf >> Water Spout if your using it like that, Kyogre is not the fasters uber and its stab move will just loose power once youve calm minded up, due to most probably getting hit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue_Ninja (Post 3782934)
Need some help with Pikachu future Raichu. Im new so i dont mind starting over.

Current

Pikachu Lvl 35

Nature: Adament/Likes to fight
252 ATK 252 SPD


Thunderbolt
Feint
Agility
Volt Tackle



Blegh....



[email protected] Orb
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Mild Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot / Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Punch

ѕℓσωвяσ July 22nd, 2008 6:56 AM

Thanks everyone ^^ Yeah, I'm using it for PBR. xD I just use my favourites for it, so thats why Im using Luxray and not Jolteon etc. ^^ Thanks!

Rogue_Ninja July 22nd, 2008 7:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3782976)
[email protected] Orb
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Mild Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot / Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Punch

Ok the Ev training and nature wont be to hard. I have the TM's for Fpunch and Gknot. How important is the Hidden power. Or do you know a trustworthy breeder around here that can get me a pichu mild w/hidden power ice.

Supreme Dirt July 22nd, 2008 8:11 AM

Alrighty, I will NOT be changing the purpose of these.

[email protected]
Sassy/Bold
Sand Veil
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spd
Dig
Rock Slide
Protect
Substitute

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Jolly
Pressure
Fly
Protect
Substitute
Roost

Is this good moves and such to stall with these?
(I KNOW DUGGY DOES NOT STALL WELL. DO NOT TELL ME THAT.)

sims796 July 22nd, 2008 8:16 AM

No. No it is not. You already know about Duggy, and what we are going to say. Even with Dig & sub, it is far too fragile, and will get hit between moves. Plus, all these priority moves, and no way to really recover makes stalling a usless feat for him.

As for Aero, no, not really. We can easily switch to a counter while he is flying, & use him for set-up fodder.

Supreme Dirt July 22nd, 2008 8:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3783212)
No. No it is not. You already know about Duggy, and what we are going to say. Even with Dig & sub, it is far too fragile, and will get hit between moves. Plus, all these priority moves, and no way to really recover makes stalling a usless feat for him.

As for Aero, no, not really. We can easily switch to a counter while he is flying, & use him for set-up fodder.

*sighs* I probly should've mentioned my BP'd Mean Look support from Umbreon.

And yeah, I'm thinking of something else to replace Duggy.

sims796 July 22nd, 2008 8:26 AM

That would help, but not by much. You'd run out of moves first, and would get hit in between moves, since Aero is fragile. Besides, the pokes that he would be stalling (seriously, no Toxic), you're better off just hitting.

Swift! July 23rd, 2008 3:25 AM

I need to find some HM Slaves for Pokemon Gold (+ Rock Smash), FireRed and Sapphire. The fewer Pokemon the better, as in... if you can find two Pokemon that can learn all eight HM moves between them that would be perfect.

Eleventyseventy July 23rd, 2008 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevmysta (Post 3785943)
I need to find some HM Slaves for Pokemon Gold (+ Rock Smash), FireRed and Sapphire. The fewer Pokemon the better, as in... if you can find two Pokemon that can learn all eight HM moves between them that would be perfect.

Off-topic much?

Long time no see.
Could I get some help on a Mismagius set?
I already have 3 sweepers on my team, so I figured I should go a bit defensive with her.

Straight from Smogon..

Mismagius @ Lefties
Timid Nature
EVs: 116 HP / 140 SpA / 252 Spe
~Calm Mind
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt
~Will-O-Wisp

I've been told a million times, but I simply cannot be stuffed with HP.

Your thoughts/advice?

Dark Azelf July 23rd, 2008 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8 (Post 3786211)
Off-topic much?

Long time no see.
Could I get some help on a Mismagius set?
I already have 3 sweepers on my team, so I figured I should go a bit defensive with her.

Straight from Smogon..

Mismagius @ Lefties
Timid Nature
EVs: 116 HP / 140 SpA / 252 Spe
~Calm Mind
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt
~Will-O-Wisp

I've been told a million times, but I simply cannot be stuffed with HP.

Your thoughts/advice?

I generally prefer Sub >> Will-o-wisp on mine, as it protects you from status, completely shuts off Blissey and allows you to sweep better.

Use Hidden Power Fighting >> T-Bolt nao !!

supersmashbro93 July 23rd, 2008 10:09 AM

could i get a mixed wall any reasonable pokemon will do

and is there a way to change what hidden power a pokemon gets

Sacrifar July 23rd, 2008 10:20 PM

i need to know a good trick room team because i am going to build one

SmashGood July 23rd, 2008 11:43 PM

For a Mixed Wall you could always try Cresselia.

And the Hidden Power is determined by the IVs the pokemon has. If you are aiming for a certain kind I suggest looking at Tortured_Soul's Guide or using Shoddy's Team builder to see what possible IVs create the Hidden Power of a type you would be after.

As to trick room teams, try starting with Brozong and build from that. Jynx is infamous for getting it started up as well.

Kejmur July 24th, 2008 5:49 AM

Quote:

i need to know a good trick room team because i am going to build one
For which tier ? UU ? OU ? Ubers ?

For setupers, there are two good Smogon standards for OU play. One is for Porygon2 and Bronzong.

[email protected] / 0 IVs Speed
252 HP / 68 Def / 92 SpA / 96 SpD
Quiet/ Sassy Nature
Ability: Trace
- Trick Room
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover

Watch out with this guy against stronger fighting attacks and it will be fine. Thunderbolt for Gyarados, and Ice Beam for dragons. If you want to have STAB, change one of this attacks on Tri Attack.

and...

[email protected]/Macho Brace/Life Orb / 0 IVs Speed
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 SpD
Relaxed Nature
Ability: Levitate (Heatproof one is interesting alternative for Sunny Day team)
- Gyro Ball
- Trick Room
- Earthquake/Explosion
- Hypnosis/Explosion

If you want to hit harder slower pokes - Macho Brace is the best bet. If faster (Trick Room doesn't change damage from Gyro Ball, because it doesn't affect their speed STATS) then Life Orb. If you want to use him for longer use, then Leftovers.

And if ur scared of Tyranitar and Infernape switches, you can use this guy as a setuper.

[email protected] / 0 Speed IVs
Impish or Relaxed Nature
76 HP / 180 Atk / 252 Def
Ability: Thick Fat
- Trick Room (also weather moves work here, like Rain Dance or Sunny Day. He scares off really effective Tyranitar and Abomasnow, which can destroy your weather support). And Hariyama is slow as hell, so Trick Room will help him alot.
- Force Palm/Cross Chop (Close Combat is bad idea, because it decreases your defences and you want this guy to survive more hits)
- Ice Punch/Stone Edge (Ice Punch for Dragons, Stone Edge hits super-effective many pokes)
- Whirlwind/Thunderpunch (Whirlwind for pokes, which try their luck to setup on you, ThunderPunch for Gyarados and bulky waters)

If you prefer more offensive version of Hariyama for Trick Room just use classic choice bander.

[email protected] Band / 0 IVs Speed
252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def (if you want, you can invest some EVs in one of defences from Hp)
Brave Nature
Ability: Guts
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Faint Attack
- ThunderPunch / Stone Edge

The problem here is, that Faint Attack is your best attack against Physic and Ghost types here. Payback won't work, because with Trick Room you'll be first most of times. But with activated guts, you hit really hard.\

And for physical sweeper you can use Marowak. He works kinda well there. For special sweepers good bet is Nasty Plot Slowking.

Standard set for Trick Room Marowak

[email protected] Club / 0 IVs Speed
252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Brave Nature
Ability: Rock Head
- Earthquake (STAB)
- Rock Slide (using Stone Edge on fragile poke like Marowak is risky. And he'll be really fast with Trick Room, so he can use as a advantage flinch hax from Rock Slide)
- Fire Punch (yeah, mostly for Bronzong)
- Double-Edge / Swords Dance (you can try your luck with Swords Dance, but it will be hard to use it on him. If you prefer SD, give him Encore support). Without Double-Edge Weezing says hi. Your choice.

And set for Nasty Plot Slowking. Smogon one and for me probably one of the best for Trick Room.

[email protected] / 0 IVs Speed
212 HP / 44 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
Ability: Own Tempo
- Nasty Plot
- Surf
- Ice Beam/ Grass Knot/ Hidden Power Electric
- Slack Off (for recovery, if you think you don't need it, just put here one of three attacks from third slot)

And also I have a question. I want to use physical version of Venusaur. Yep, his physical movepool just sucks, but his physical moves are usable. I want this guy as a last game sweeper and for surprise. So I thought about this set:

[email protected]/Life Orb
252 Attack/ 252 HP/ 4 Def (I plan to use this guy with T-Wave support anyway and I need to make him more bulky to get a chance for 1-2 SD)
Adamant Nature
Ability: Overgrow
- Swords Dance
- Seed Bomb
- Earthquake
- Return/ Sleep Powder/ Synthesis / Sleep Talk

I need some help what to choose in last slot. Return is for dragons (yep, Salamence and Dragonite) and weezing, which walls me without it. Sleep Powder just for status and to stop counter. Synthesis is risky, I know, but extra healing can help. And Sleep Talk for absorbing sleep. In other words I need help here. Cheers.

Giblie July 24th, 2008 6:08 PM

Hope this is the right place, but I am looking for a final member for my team.
Right now it is:
Garchomp
Torterra
Staraptor
Metagross
and Aggron

I was going to try Charizard, but I dont know. Currently I am training a Charizard.
EDIT: What is IV and EV? I have asked this somewhere else and they didnt answer.

EDIT2: What would be a good movset and nature for a Lanturn that would go good with my team?? Someone suggested Lanturn.

. July 26th, 2008 3:43 AM

Need a bulky Nasty Plotting Togekiss set.

Dark Azelf July 26th, 2008 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar (Post 3794740)
Need a bulky Nasty Plotting Togekiss set.

[email protected]
252 HP / 104 SP.ATT / 152 SPEED
Modest Nature
Trait : Serene Grace
- Nasty Plot
- Aura Sphere
- Air Slash
- Roost

._. I hate this thing with a passion, use it against me and ill print its picture off and throw darts at it.

luke July 26th, 2008 6:33 AM

I feel like being creative so bare with me:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Modest Nature
6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed
Pressure

Blizzard
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [Fighting]
Nasty Plot

I love Nasty Plotters so I wanted to try the one I haven't touched yet.

Dark Azelf July 26th, 2008 6:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apostle (Post 3794909)
I feel like being creative so bare with me:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Modest Nature
6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed
Pressure

Blizzard
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [Fighting]
Nasty Plot

I love Nasty Plotters so I wanted to try the one I haven't touched yet.


Weavile also gets Surf, which lets you do something to Infernape etc.

But still, umm yeah..

LipstickTraces July 26th, 2008 7:38 AM

I want to breed and Ev train a strong Victreebel as an annoyer or a shuffler or whichever other strategix battler depending on which nature and moves would be best for it. What is recommended?

Giblie July 26th, 2008 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giblie (Post 3790136)
Hope this is the right place, but I am looking for a final member for my team.
Right now it is:
Garchomp
Torterra
Staraptor
Metagross
and Aggron

I was going to try Charizard, but I dont know. Currently I am training a Charizard.
EDIT: What is IV and EV? I have asked this somewhere else and they didnt answer.

Ok now I got another question, What is a good movset and nature for Lanturn??
And please answer the above. =D
Sorry, but it seemed that I was ignored. And at many places I am ignored. =(

LipstickTraces July 26th, 2008 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giblie (Post 3795971)
Ok now I got another question, What is a good movset and nature for Lanturn??
And please answer the above. =D
Sorry, but it seemed that I was ignored. And at many places I am ignored. =(

I know the feeling, but its down to whether people are there to answer the questions or if they know the answers. Basically IV and EV stand for Individual Values and Effort Values. I think IV's are automatically set when the Pokemon is made, but EV's are earned by subjectivley training by fighting certain monsters to gain boosted stats. There is a section somewhere on the forum designated for such discussion, think it might be a sticky so worth checking out. :)

But as for your team building related question, don't think I can help you since I'm a newbie to all this training malarkey myself, hence why I'm here :P You could try and find out what Lanturn is best at statwise then find a nature which helps boost that.

With my Victreebel, would it be worth teaching it Sunny Day to take advantage of its Chlorophyl or have another Pokemon in my team use it, like a tank? It's just the extra speed could come in handy for getting ahead of some speedy Pokemon and shoving something in there to cause some fuss.


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