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OK,i'm not going to rate,i'm jsut going to point out the obvious:On wi-fi all your pokemon atomatically go to lv.100,so its EVs that are important,not their current stats |
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>.< i'll try later tonight, but is outrage on a garchomp a must? or can i use dragon claw if i'm lazy?
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Okay so what should I do now? Do the stats of your Pokemon have to be around the same number, like all in the 200's or anything? Or should I pick which Pokemon I'm going to use before I go any further?
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can someone give me the best EV spread of a mixape. Im trying to decide whether to go with Smogons
23 atk/ 252 sp.attk/ 232 speed or Serebiis 128 atk/ 252 speed/ 128 sp.attk Whichever one works best |
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ok but the moveset lets say if i didnt have HP ice, what moves could i substitute it with?
[email protected] orb Naive Close combat grass knot flamethrower ???? i was thinking either nasty plot or mach punch what would be better |
I would change grass knot for thunder punch and maybe choosing nasty plot would be better for flamethrower. Is just my opinion.
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Anyway, the final slot is either taken up by Nasty Plot or HP Ice. HP Ice is there for salemence and DNite who otherwise resists the entire moveset. I myself find NP to be more beneficial, but it's dependant on the rest of team. |
I think you didn´t understand me... I said that you should put nasty plot as your fourth move to power up flamethrower.
You are right grass knot is more usefull, thunderpunch is for water types but grass knot is also effective to them. |
Still, do you support the idea of Hypnosis-using Drifblim? It's trait can make it faster than Deoxys-S with absolute max speed with just 136 EV+nature or 228 without.
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252 ATK/252 SPD Item life orb/yache berry swords dance fire fang dragon claw earthquake Blissy @Lefovers Natural Cure trait bold nature 252 EV Def/252 SP Def Softbolid Aromatheraphy/Heal Bell Ice Beam Alakazam timid nature item 252 SPD/252 SP ATK psychic focus blast shadow ball ? Metagross item choic scarf 252 ATK/252 SPD/4 HP Adamant nature meteor mash explosion earthquake ice punch Glicor (Um what are other good physical walls?) I appreciate the help from Froslass, Zurich, and Fabian the fastman thanks a lot for the advic!!! =) Um are there any other picks than Glicor for a good physical, and what would be a good last pick for the last slot? (if there any changes I should make please point them out I would really appreciate it^^;) |
For alakazam i would use the next moveset:
Choice specs, timid nature psychic shadow ball focus blast and maybe grass knot/energy ball/trick ( you need good prediction if using trick) Evs are ok for a timid nature For a phsicial wall i like weezing [email protected] bold nature fire blast/flamethrower t-bolt will-o-wisp/haze pain split Hope it helps you :) |
Huh is Weezing pretty effective? never seen it as being a good wall^^;
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Weezing @ Leftovers Bold 252 HP/252 Def/6 SpA Will O Wisp Pain Split Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb/Explosion Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb/Explosion |
Isn't Sludge Bomb something of Advance, though?
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Meh, it was, but it's still an option for a 'STAB' I prefer BoltThrower personally.
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Ohhhh... That's what I thought...
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Oh never expected weezing to be a good physical wall might give it a shot, um just a question does scizor work for a good wall at all?
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Scizor is not a wall whatsoever.
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scizor could be a wall with 100 base deff u could make it a physical wall
it would be unique plus scizor has only 1 weakness |
Wha? Base 100 Defense is not impressive to be a wall. Scizor is a *lol* sweeper. It can be a tank, but not a wall, lacks the defensive capabilities and movepool for it
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What about milotic would that work good since, it can practically go either physical, or special?
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Milotic's got great special defense, but her defense is mediocre at best.
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Is this a good moveset for milotic?
[email protected] leftovers Bold 124 HP / 252 Def / 132 Sp.Atk Hipnosis recover surf ice beam Maybe i should put light screen for the last move or use the rest + sleep talk moveset What do you think? |
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Resttalk is good with Milotic. When asleep Marvel Scale activates making him/her hard to take down. For your set, if possible get HP Electric over hypnosis. |
So, is this moveset ok?
[email protected] leftovers modest Surf ice beam rest sleep talk What about EVs? Maybe i should focus on HP first... |
Gah... last my info on dragonite... What's it moveset supposed to be again? with the EV's?
I think it's Dragonite Jolly 66Hp EV's, 252 att Ev's, 192 Spd Ev's Dragon Dance Earthquake Fire Punch Outrage? i think that is the moveset for a dragonite, am i right? Oh also, i don't quite understand how subsitute works. When my mate did it, when i attacked him, his subsitute didn't disappear. How do i get subsitute to disappear? |
A substitute is created by taking that a 25% of that pokemon's health, so unless your attack does 25% or more the substitute will stay up until you attack it enough times to cause more than 25% damage
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As said above, substitutes are made of a quarter of the opponents health, so iff they have 400HP then the sub will have 100. So you'll have to inflict 100 points of damage to break the sub. |
ryt, thanks for clearing that up =)
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I came up with this 2 movesets for my lucario
Adamant/Choice Band 252 Atk/252 Speed Steadfast Close Combat Crunch Stone Edge Bullet punch/extremespeed Modest/Choice specs 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed steadfast Aura sphere Vacuum wave Dark pulse/shadow ball Hp ice/dragon pulse Which one do you recommend? If you know an other good moveset for lucario please tell me. |
Use whichever one your team needs more. =/
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A question I may ask would hippowdon make at all a good wall? and if not what would purely work as wall with some decent offensive I have looked into glicor and with having ice being a major weakness that is what worries me a lot.^^;
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Hippowdon makes an excellent wall, but if you want one that resists Ice than I suggest Forretress
[email protected] Relaxed Nature EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk -Gyro Ball -Rapid Spin -Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock -Rest/Earthquake/Explosion However if you do want to use Hippowdon. [email protected] Impish Nature EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk or 252 HP, 16 Atk, 152 Def, 88 Sp Def -Earthquake -Ice Fang -Stealth Rock/Roar -Slack Off The Sp Def EVs allow it to survive HP Ice flying around from Electric types (if they decide to stay in against the sand hippo). That being said, most HP Ice's will fail against the hippo with those EVs |
i was breeding some gligars and i got a shiny one. unfortunately it was naive nature. can anyone think of a halfway decent moveset for a naive natured gliscor?
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u could evolve it into gliscor and use it as a bulky sweeper
it already has a decent attack stat and defence stat [email protected] 252hp/129att/129spd Moves: sword dance ice fang EQ Roost naive reduces sp.def so as long you stay clear of sp.sweepers your fine |
This is a moveset I thought of making using a Daycare pair of Smeargle (m) and Lucario (f)...
Lucario Jolly / Adamant Inner Focus / Steadfast ~Swords Dance ~Drain Punch ~Bullet Punch ~Blaze Kick Another Lucario... Lucario Jolly / Adamant Inner Focus ~Swords Dance ~Rock Tomb ~Bullet Punch ~Blaze Kick / Bite / Crunch / Shadow Claw Quote:
You could make a mimic of my Hippo... Hippowdon Sandstream Careful (Special Defense ^ / Special Attack v ) ~Stockpile ~Slack Off ~Body Slam ~Ice Fang Acts in a similar way to that "CurseTank" Hippo. Can paralyze while damaging. Raise its own Special Defense to resist that pesky Grass Knot better. And regain its own health. Quote:
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What's with your 252/129/129 spreads? >_<
[email protected] Impish 252 HP, 44 Atk, 212 Def Sand Veil Roost Earthquake Stealth Rock/Swords Dance Ice Fang |
he said it has to be naive so why you saying impish?
i dont know that spread is just i dont know i should try and get out of that habit your spread is probably better then mine |
As much as I agree with T_S, the bulky sweeper can really work. I think D_A ran a set, get the EVs off him.
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Is this a good or decent moveset for a Special Sweeper Illumise?
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So other than the nature, it's ok?
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instead of t-bolt u could go with charge beam to raise its sp.attack
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This is for another pokemon, what is the best moveset & nature for a Leafeon?
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[email protected] Leftovers Adamant ~Magical Leaf ~Giga Drain ~Take Down ~Razor Leaf |
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Did you see his sp.atk? it's only a measily base 60. That automatically makes Giga Drain & Magical Leaf useless. While I'm on that, why does it need three grass moves? Srsly, why? What are you hoping to accomplish? And it's Adamant, weakening Magical Leaf & Giga Drain more. Is this the set that you use in the game? Don't suggest those. We need a set that suceeds in wifi, not against stupid computers. I can tell because you don't have Leaf Blade, which he learns at lvl 71. I didn't feel like it, but I guess I have no choice. Here are a few workable sets, courtesy of Smogon. [email protected] Nature:Jolly Leaf Blade Swords Dance Baton Pass Roar/Grasswhistle 132 HP/60 Atk/216 Spe Meant to pass SD to team members. Not meant for straight offense, as if you are using Leafeon, you won't be using his terrible moovepool. & this is my walling set, meant for OU, that I use with great sucess. Courtesy of Dark Azelf. What a stupid name that is, Dark Azelf. He should change it. [email protected] Nature:Impish Leaf Blade Wish Roar Protect 252 HP/32 Atk/220 Def Roar is to stop chargers from setting up. Even with this set, Leafeon's Leaf Blade hits hard. |
i like this set but it can also be used as a baton passer or a wish passer
[email protected]/leftys/expert belt/focus sash nature:jolly 252att/252spd/6def MOves: sword dance leaf blade return(make sure it loves you) X-siccor/synthsis |
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Ok, thanks everybody for the help
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Consider Growth and Encore over Wish and Thunder Wave. They are all very useful moves, although Growth can boost your SAtk (Charge Beam only has 63% chance, factoring in accuracy).
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Actually, both X-scissor and Iron Tail make goos secondery attacks on Leafeon. It's better than nothing...
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Stop. It won't even work in UU. X-Scissor is fine in UU, unless you really fear Celebii, but everything that Iron Tail hits, Leaf Blade hits harder. In OU, no X-Scizzor. It offers no additional coverage, and he can't really sweep. Leaf blade hits Psychics hard enough,and between Ice Beam on Cressy, & Psychic on Celebii (& being slower) it's useless in OU.
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Both. If you can't get Double Edge, Return may be a sound choice, but for a neutral attack, Double Edge may be more useful.
Both are bad for OU play, however. |
I'll use Drifblim for Hypnosis, so should I use CM on Spritomb?
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What about a hippowdon choice bander?
[email protected] choice band 252 HP / 124 Atk / 132 Def Earthquake Ice fang/stone edge Thunder fang crunch/fire fang/slack off For gliscor i would use: [email protected] leftovers 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def EQ Roost Ice fang/aerial ace Stealth rock/knock off/taunt |
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Need some good advice on which moves for Dustox and all else involved with him, thanks! :)
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Do you want to use Dustox in competitive battling or just using it ingame?
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Thank you BB! <3 I was just curious as to what would be the best moves to keep and which to ditch to get the most out of Dustox in the D/P games :)
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Um what would make a good special sweeper? I have decided between Lucario, or gengar, but which would work better, and if these two are not good choices could any please point out a better option I really appreciate the help.^^
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Lucario is an okay special sweeper. SpecsLuke is cool:
Lucario @ Choice Specs Modest 252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP Aura Sphere/Focus Blast Vacuum Wave Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball Dragon Pulse/HP Ice 2HKO's standard Bliss with Focus Blast, which is awesome. Bold Blissey (252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD) gets 2HKO'd by Aura Sphere. It's a matter of accuracy vs. power. Focus Blast is Base 180, whereas Aura Sphere is Base 135. Gengar has too many sets, but I'll list my personal favorite; Choice Scarf revenge killer: Gengar @ Choice Scarf Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP Shadow Ball HP Ice Focus Blast Thunderbolt Timid is reccomended to outspeed Deoxys-e, even if it has Max Speed. It doesn't really hit hard, but it's still amazing at revenge killing. |
oh thanks for the tips Vance!^_^, um if Lucario ain't really a good choice what would work as a good replacement?
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No problem ^_^
Lucario is a good special sweeper, just that he's overshadowed by his other set; Swords Dance sweeper. A really good sweeper that's slightly underrated would be Mismagius. I know Anti would kill me if I did smother it with positive attatchments, but it is actually quite good: Mismagius @ Leftovers Timid 108 HP/164 SpA/238 Spe Shadow Ball HP Fighting Calm Mind Substitute Blissey won't be beating this Special Sweeper. Of course, there are others. Another personal favorite is Togekiss: Togekiss @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Life Orb Modest 252 HP/154 SpA/104 Spe Air Slash Nasty Plot Aura Sphere Roost Blissey can't stall this either without T-Wave or more preferably Toxic. The safest counter for this is Zapdos; resisting both STABs. |
I'm trying to decide, but I just can't. What's better on Weavile Ice Punch or Ice Shard?
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Ice Shard suits 'Vile better as a sheer revenge killer. Ice Punch has it's uses in some cases. Sadly, even after taking STAB in account, Ice Shard is still weaker than unSTAB'd Ice Punch. As a pure sweeper, Ice Punch is generally superior. Still, Weavile makes a pretty mediocre sweeper, but an excellent revenge killer.
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Ice Punch >> Ice Shard, for a main reason. Yache Berry Garchomp has become the standard, far superior to ScarfChomp. Ice Punch OHKO's through Yache Berry, and Weavile outspeeds Garchomp commonly, making it a good revenge killer to it.
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Unless of course, it's a ScarfChomp, which is growing in popularity suddenly (I fought 6 on the Official Server just this night) I dunno, it may be my biased opinion, but I feel Weavile isn't a good sweeper, and makes a decent revenge killer.
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Heracross Megahorn Close Combat Stone Edge Pursuit Nature: Adamant EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Choice Scarf Ability: Guts Heracross starts as the starter of my team. Tyranitar Crunch Earthquake Dragon Dance Stone Edge Nature: Jolly EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Focus Sash Focus Sash will allow it a chance to set up a dragon dance or possibly act as a revenge killer. Garchomp Outrage Earthquake Swords Dance Nature: Jolly EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Yache Berry Typical Garchomp set up. Hopefully Tyranitar will come out before Garchomp for the added bonus of it's ability to activate. I can't decide on the remaining 3 pokemon. What I would like for them is to be able to survive sandstorm wether it be an immunity or leftovers to be equipped. Also I was looking for them to be 2 defensive pokemon and 1 offensive with one of those being able to set up toxic spikes, stealth rock, or spikes. Can anyone help with pokemon suggestions? I'll figure out the moveset and EV spread on my own. |
if you want defense id say blissey or snorlax
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Does the Skarm-Bliss work anymore?
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i think it does but im not sure it most probably does
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Blissey I'm a little hesitant about using since sandstorm really cuts into it surviving. What are some of the other special walls?
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The only ones I can think of that aren't effected by the Sand, don't really work as walls since they lack instant recovery moves
Registeel, Empoleon, Bronzong are the ones I'm talking about Besides using a whole team based on one weather condition doesn't really work nowadays, Blissey is fine in the Sand anyway since her Leftovers negate the Sandstorm damage and she has Softboiled to heal herself with |
I wasn't actually trying for a particular team based on weather condition anyway it just sort of turned out that way. I first started out with using Garchomp found Tyranitar was better than Hippowdon (IMO). Thought a scarf heracross would make a good choice as a starter. Then I started thinking about defensive pokemon that I could switch heracross with and garchomp if I ran into a Focus band weavile with an EV spread of 252 atk/sp. Anyway I thought that blissey sort of reliead on the leftovers a bit because it recovers like 40hp every turn. So physical walls are skarmory, gliscor, bronzong. Any idea for an offensive pokemon as a final slot. Since my team is mostly physical orientated special would be the likely choice than.
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Second, even thought Dustox has a nice attacking movepool, it is a defensive pokemon. So: @Leftovers 252 EV HP/84 Def/90 SpA/84 SpD Calm/Modest/Bold nature ~Bug Buzz ~Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Energy Ball/Psychic (the only pokemon that are weak to Posion and not Bug are Jumpluff, Breloom, Tropius and Sky Forme Shaymin, and Posion is a horrid attacking type, so it's not neccesery) ~Roost ~Toxic/Light Screen |
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can some1 please tell me a decent special sweeper which is not gengar for the battle tower
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