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El Gofre August 24th, 2008 4:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3874212)
No, that's because the parent's nature does not effect the newborn's nature.

Yes it does, if equiped with an everstone there is 50% chance that the nature will be passed from the female parent. As such, you are just getting unlucky Destiny.

Divine~Deoxys August 24th, 2008 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Becky_x (Post 3874462)
I completed the dex last night so now it's time for me to move on to battling but I don't really have a set team. I know next to nothing about what moves are good, IVs/EVs, which items are best ect, so hopefully you guys can help.

Here's what I've used mostly:

Staraptor lvl72 with Macho Brace
227/216/117/86/90/173
Aerial ace
Close combat
Fly
Brave bird

Roselia lvl73 with Rose incense
169/123/99/167/148/128
Aromatherapy
Mega drain
Cut
Grass knot

Empoleon lvl73 with Wave incense
222/161/179/196/171/120
Drill peck
Surf
Waterfall
Hydro cannon

Bellossom lvl73 with Miracle seed
220/142/143/158/167/111
Lucky chant
Drain punch
Leaf storm
Giga drain

Shaymin lvl 73 with Micle berry
237/198/178/178/175/171
Seed flare
Aromatherapy
Substitute
Energy ball

Obviously I'll need one more but I can't decide what to choose, and I'd also like another suggestion in place of Shaymin for situations where I can't use it.

Thanks in advance =]


OK,i'm not going to rate,i'm jsut going to point out the obvious:On wi-fi all your pokemon atomatically go to lv.100,so its EVs that are important,not their current stats

El Gofre August 24th, 2008 4:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Becky_x (Post 3874462)
I completed the dex last night so now it's time for me to move on to battling but I don't really have a set team. I know next to nothing about what moves are good, IVs/EVs, which items are best ect, so hopefully you guys can help.

Here's what I've used mostly:

Staraptor lvl72 with Macho Brace
227/216/117/86/90/173
Aerial ace
Close combat
Fly
Brave bird

Roselia lvl73 with Rose incense
169/123/99/167/148/128
Aromatherapy
Mega drain
Cut
Grass knot

Empoleon lvl73 with Wave incense
222/161/179/196/171/120
Drill peck
Surf
Waterfall
Hydro cannon

Bellossom lvl73 with Miracle seed
220/142/143/158/167/111
Lucky chant
Drain punch
Leaf storm
Giga drain

Shaymin lvl 73 with Micle berry
237/198/178/178/175/171
Seed flare
Aromatherapy
Substitute
Energy ball

Obviously I'll need one more but I can't decide what to choose, and I'd also like another suggestion in place of Shaymin for situations where I can't use it.

Thanks in advance =]

I hate to tell you, but it's going to be less effort to raise a competetive team from scratch. EV training is done by battling very certain pokemon- battling anything and everything distributes the EVs badly and to places they are not needed. The only way to save these pokes is to EV wipe via the use of -EV berries, and you will need hundreds to wipe an entire team. Read through the sticky in this forum call Compiled 4th Gen Guides, it details how EVing and IVing is done, the art of team and move composition, and is generally a very helpful thread. Sorry, but you're in for a lot of work to get into competetive battling

Becky_x August 24th, 2008 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3874495)
I hate to tell you, but it's going to be less effort to raise a competetive team from scratch. EV training is done by battling very certain pokemon- battling anything and everything distributes the EVs badly and to places they are not needed. The only way to save these pokes is to EV wipe via the use of -EV berries, and you will need hundreds to wipe an entire team. Read through the sticky in this forum call Compiled 4th Gen Guides, it details how EVing and IVing is done, the art of team and move composition, and is generally a very helpful thread. Sorry, but you're in for a lot of work to get into competetive battling

XD shows how much I know, I thought my team was quite strong lol! I'll go read it now, thanks!

El Gofre August 24th, 2008 4:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Becky_x (Post 3874504)
XD shows how much I know, I thought my team was quite strong lol! I'll go read it now, thanks!

That's the impression in-game gives to many a player: It's extremely easy to beat.

Dark Destiny August 24th, 2008 4:59 AM

>.< i'll try later tonight, but is outrage on a garchomp a must? or can i use dragon claw if i'm lazy?

Becky_x August 24th, 2008 4:59 AM

Okay so what should I do now? Do the stats of your Pokemon have to be around the same number, like all in the 200's or anything? Or should I pick which Pokemon I'm going to use before I go any further?

Walrein August 24th, 2008 5:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3874471)
Yes it does, if equiped with an everstone there is 50% chance that the nature will be passed from the female parent. As such, you are just getting unlucky Destiny.

I didn't know that. I'll try. Thanks.

The Hero Without a Name August 24th, 2008 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destiny100 (Post 3874134)
I'm having a huge problem putting outrage on my Garchomp, I've got a male Dragonite(With OK IV's finally) with outrage, and a female jolly gabite, even when i put an everstone on my Gabite my baby Gible isn't Jolly Nature? Have I done anything wrong, or is just my luck?

It's just luck. Keep trying, you'll get Jolly Gible eventually.

The Graceful Assassin August 24th, 2008 7:46 AM

can someone give me the best EV spread of a mixape. Im trying to decide whether to go with Smogons
23 atk/ 252 sp.attk/ 232 speed

or Serebiis
128 atk/ 252 speed/ 128 sp.attk

Whichever one works best

Dark Azelf August 24th, 2008 7:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Graceful Assassin (Post 3874992)
can someone give me the best EV spread of a mixape. Im trying to decide whether to go with Smogons
24 atk/ 252 sp.attk/ 232 speed

or Serebiis
128 atk/ 252 speed/ 128 sp.attk

Whichever one works best

The first one.


Serebii, one is eww.

Sora_8920 August 24th, 2008 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Graceful Assassin (Post 3874992)
can someone give me the best EV spread of a mixape. Im trying to decide whether to go with Smogons
23 atk/ 252 sp.attk/ 232 speed

or Serebiis
128 atk/ 252 speed/ 128 sp.attk

Whichever one works best

Serebii is blegh. Go with Smogon like D_A said.

The Graceful Assassin August 24th, 2008 8:15 AM

ok but the moveset lets say if i didnt have HP ice, what moves could i substitute it with?

[email protected] orb
Naive
Close combat
grass knot
flamethrower
????
i was thinking either nasty plot or mach punch what would be better

Zurich August 24th, 2008 8:53 AM

I would change grass knot for thunder punch and maybe choosing nasty plot would be better for flamethrower. Is just my opinion.

The Graceful Assassin August 24th, 2008 9:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3875255)
I would change grass knot for thunder punch and maybe choosing nasty plot would be better for flamethrower. Is just my opinion.

grass knot is used to take out swampert, hippowdown and other heavy ground types like rhyperior so thunderpunch does not make too much sense and flamethrower is a must have with me maxing out its Sp.attk so that does not make too much sense either.

El Gofre August 24th, 2008 9:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3875255)
I would change grass knot for thunder punch and maybe choosing nasty plot would be better for flamethrower. Is just my opinion.

What TGA said.

Anyway, the final slot is either taken up by Nasty Plot or HP Ice. HP Ice is there for salemence and DNite who otherwise resists the entire moveset. I myself find NP to be more beneficial, but it's dependant on the rest of team.

Zurich August 24th, 2008 9:40 AM

I think you didn´t understand me... I said that you should put nasty plot as your fourth move to power up flamethrower.
You are right grass knot is more usefull, thunderpunch is for water types but grass knot is also effective to them.

Walrein August 24th, 2008 9:59 AM

Still, do you support the idea of Hypnosis-using Drifblim? It's trait can make it faster than Deoxys-S with absolute max speed with just 136 EV+nature or 228 without.

latioslegends August 24th, 2008 11:37 AM

Garchomp
252 ATK/252 SPD
Item life orb/yache berry
swords dance
fire fang
dragon claw
earthquake

Blissy
@Lefovers
Natural Cure trait
bold nature
252 EV Def/252 SP Def
Softbolid
Aromatheraphy/Heal Bell
Ice Beam

Alakazam
timid nature
item
252 SPD/252 SP ATK
psychic
focus blast
shadow ball
?

Metagross
item choic scarf
252 ATK/252 SPD/4 HP
Adamant nature
meteor mash
explosion
earthquake
ice punch

Glicor (Um what are other good physical walls?)


I appreciate the help from Froslass, Zurich, and Fabian the fastman thanks a lot for the advic!!! =)

Um are there any other picks than Glicor for a good physical, and what would be a good last pick for the last slot? (if there any changes I should make please point them out I would really appreciate it^^;)

Zurich August 24th, 2008 1:14 PM

For alakazam i would use the next moveset:
Choice specs, timid nature
psychic
shadow ball
focus blast
and maybe grass knot/energy ball/trick ( you need good prediction if using trick)
Evs are ok for a timid nature

For a phsicial wall i like weezing

[email protected] bold nature
fire blast/flamethrower
t-bolt
will-o-wisp/haze
pain split

Hope it helps you :)

latioslegends August 24th, 2008 2:50 PM

Huh is Weezing pretty effective? never seen it as being a good wall^^;

The Hero Without a Name August 24th, 2008 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 3876442)
Huh is Weezing pretty effective? never seen it as being a good wall^^;

That's what I thought in Advance, his golden era (and I was young, naive, a noober, etc). He's actually one of the best fighting-type counters in the game (barring Medicham and Gallade)

. August 24th, 2008 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 3876442)
Huh is Weezing pretty effective? never seen it as being a good wall^^;

Weezing is the best fighting resist in the game, easily. If you use him, however, don't let him take special hits. He rolls over to them. A defensive set would look like this:

Weezing @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/252 Def/6 SpA
Will O Wisp
Pain Split
Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb/Explosion
Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb/Explosion

The Hero Without a Name August 24th, 2008 4:29 PM

Isn't Sludge Bomb something of Advance, though?

. August 24th, 2008 4:31 PM

Meh, it was, but it's still an option for a 'STAB' I prefer BoltThrower personally.

The Hero Without a Name August 24th, 2008 4:32 PM

Ohhhh... That's what I thought...

latioslegends August 24th, 2008 8:33 PM

Oh never expected weezing to be a good physical wall might give it a shot, um just a question does scizor work for a good wall at all?

. August 24th, 2008 8:45 PM

Scizor is not a wall whatsoever.

dark_seeker August 25th, 2008 6:53 AM

scizor could be a wall with 100 base deff u could make it a physical wall
it would be unique plus scizor has only 1 weakness

. August 25th, 2008 6:55 AM

Wha? Base 100 Defense is not impressive to be a wall. Scizor is a *lol* sweeper. It can be a tank, but not a wall, lacks the defensive capabilities and movepool for it

latioslegends August 25th, 2008 10:14 AM

What about milotic would that work good since, it can practically go either physical, or special?

The Hero Without a Name August 25th, 2008 10:21 AM

Milotic's got great special defense, but her defense is mediocre at best.

El Gofre August 25th, 2008 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 3878811)
What about milotic would that work good since, it can practically go either physical, or special?

Milotic is a supporter and bulky water, but she cannot wall for the life of her. She just doesnt have the defences and resistances needed in this gen, since the majority of OU threats can 2-3HKO her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3878821)
Milotic's got great special defense, but her defense is mediocre at best.

Marvel scale can compensate for that is some cases.

Zurich August 25th, 2008 1:43 PM

Is this a good moveset for milotic?

[email protected] leftovers
Bold
124 HP / 252 Def / 132 Sp.Atk
Hipnosis
recover
surf
ice beam

Maybe i should put light screen for the last move or use the rest + sleep talk moveset
What do you think?

Z o M B ii 3 August 25th, 2008 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3879264)
Is this a good moveset for milotic?

[email protected] leftovers
Bold
124 HP / 252 Def / 132 Sp.Atk
Hipnosis
recover
surf
ice beam

Maybe i should put light screen for the last move or use the rest + sleep talk moveset
What do you think?

Resttalk is good with Milotic.
When asleep Marvel Scale
activates making him/her
hard to take down.

For your set, if possible
get HP Electric over
hypnosis.

Zurich August 25th, 2008 2:35 PM

So, is this moveset ok?

[email protected] leftovers
modest
Surf
ice beam
rest
sleep talk

What about EVs? Maybe i should focus on HP first...

Dark Destiny August 25th, 2008 11:27 PM

Gah... last my info on dragonite... What's it moveset supposed to be again? with the EV's?

I think it's
Dragonite
Jolly
66Hp EV's, 252 att Ev's, 192 Spd Ev's
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Outrage?

i think that is the moveset for a dragonite, am i right?

Oh also, i don't quite understand how subsitute works. When my mate did it, when i attacked him, his subsitute didn't disappear. How do i get subsitute to disappear?

Angelic Diablo August 26th, 2008 1:21 AM

A substitute is created by taking that a 25% of that pokemon's health, so unless your attack does 25% or more the substitute will stay up until you attack it enough times to cause more than 25% damage

El Gofre August 26th, 2008 2:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destiny100 (Post 3880748)
Gah... last my info on dragonite... What's it moveset supposed to be again? with the EV's?

I think it's
Dragonite
Jolly
66Hp EV's, 252 att Ev's, 192 Spd Ev's
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Outrage?

i think that is the moveset for a dragonite, am i right?

Oh also, i don't quite understand how subsitute works. When my mate did it, when i attacked him, his subsitute didn't disappear. How do i get subsitute to disappear?

DDNite runs max Att/Spd and 4HP, but that is the correct moveset.

As said above, substitutes are made of a quarter of the opponents health, so iff they have 400HP then the sub will have 100. So you'll have to inflict 100 points of damage to break the sub.

Dark Destiny August 26th, 2008 3:17 AM

ryt, thanks for clearing that up =)

Zurich August 26th, 2008 4:34 PM

I came up with this 2 movesets for my lucario

Adamant/Choice Band 252 Atk/252 Speed
Steadfast
Close Combat
Crunch
Stone Edge
Bullet punch/extremespeed

Modest/Choice specs 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed
steadfast
Aura sphere
Vacuum wave
Dark pulse/shadow ball
Hp ice/dragon pulse

Which one do you recommend?
If you know an other good moveset for lucario please tell me.

The Hero Without a Name August 26th, 2008 5:30 PM

Use whichever one your team needs more. =/

latioslegends August 26th, 2008 7:57 PM

A question I may ask would hippowdon make at all a good wall? and if not what would purely work as wall with some decent offensive I have looked into glicor and with having ice being a major weakness that is what worries me a lot.^^;

Angelic Diablo August 26th, 2008 8:24 PM

Hippowdon makes an excellent wall, but if you want one that resists Ice than I suggest Forretress

[email protected]
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin
-Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Rest/Earthquake/Explosion

However if you do want to use Hippowdon.

[email protected]
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk or 252 HP, 16 Atk, 152 Def, 88 Sp Def
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Stealth Rock/Roar
-Slack Off

The Sp Def EVs allow it to survive HP Ice flying around from Electric types (if they decide to stay in against the sand hippo). That being said, most HP Ice's will fail against the hippo with those EVs

MATTFO0 August 26th, 2008 8:54 PM

i was breeding some gligars and i got a shiny one. unfortunately it was naive nature. can anyone think of a halfway decent moveset for a naive natured gliscor?

dark_seeker August 26th, 2008 9:37 PM

u could evolve it into gliscor and use it as a bulky sweeper
it already has a decent attack stat and defence stat

[email protected]
252hp/129att/129spd
Moves:
sword dance
ice fang
EQ
Roost

naive reduces sp.def so as long you stay clear of sp.sweepers your fine

Xebelleon August 26th, 2008 10:58 PM

This is a moveset I thought of making using a Daycare pair of Smeargle (m) and Lucario (f)...

Lucario
Jolly / Adamant
Inner Focus / Steadfast
~Swords Dance
~Drain Punch
~Bullet Punch
~Blaze Kick

Another Lucario...

Lucario
Jolly / Adamant
Inner Focus
~Swords Dance
~Rock Tomb
~Bullet Punch
~Blaze Kick / Bite / Crunch / Shadow Claw


Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3882367)
I came up with this 2 movesets for my lucario

Adamant/Choice Band 252 Atk/252 Speed
Steadfast
Close Combat
Crunch
Stone Edge
Bullet punch/extremespeed

Modest/Choice specs 252 Sp.Atk/ 252 Speed
steadfast
Aura sphere
Vacuum wave
Dark pulse/shadow ball
Hp ice/dragon pulse

Which one do you recommend?
If you know an other good moveset for lucario please tell me.

Do you have a Smeargle?
You could make a mimic of my Hippo...

Hippowdon
Sandstream
Careful (Special Defense ^ / Special Attack v )
~Stockpile
~Slack Off
~Body Slam
~Ice Fang

Acts in a similar way to that "CurseTank" Hippo. Can paralyze while damaging. Raise its own Special Defense to resist that pesky Grass Knot better. And regain its own health.

Quote:

Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 3882889)
A question I may ask would hippowdon make at all a good wall? and if not what would purely work as wall with some decent offensive I have looked into glicor and with having ice being a major weakness that is what worries me a lot.^^;


Ársa August 26th, 2008 11:01 PM

What's with your 252/129/129 spreads? >_<

[email protected]
Impish
252 HP, 44 Atk, 212 Def
Sand Veil

Roost
Earthquake
Stealth Rock/Swords Dance
Ice Fang

dark_seeker August 26th, 2008 11:38 PM

he said it has to be naive so why you saying impish?
i dont know that spread is just i dont know
i should try and get out of that habit
your spread is probably better then mine

Archer August 27th, 2008 12:07 AM

As much as I agree with T_S, the bulky sweeper can really work. I think D_A ran a set, get the EVs off him.

Shiny August 27th, 2008 2:11 AM

Is this a good or decent moveset for a Special Sweeper Illumise?

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa314.png
Leftovers
Tinted Lens
Modest
252Spd / 252SAtk / 4HP
- Bug Buzz
- Wish
- Thunderwave
- Charge Beam

Walrein August 27th, 2008 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Магия (Post 3883349)
Is this a good or decent moveset for a Special Sweeper Illumise?

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa314.png
Leftovers
Tinted Lens
Mild
252Spd / 252SAtk / 4HP
- Bug Buzz
- Wish
- Thunderbolt
- Thunderwave

Bug Buzz is a special move. Therefor, Modest>Mild.

Shiny August 27th, 2008 3:43 AM

So other than the nature, it's ok?

dark_seeker August 27th, 2008 3:52 AM

instead of t-bolt u could go with charge beam to raise its sp.attack

Shiny August 27th, 2008 4:13 AM

This is for another pokemon, what is the best moveset & nature for a Leafeon?

SuperSoup August 27th, 2008 4:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Магия (Post 3883541)
This is for another pokemon, what is the best moveset & nature for a Leafeon?

I have..

[email protected] Leftovers
Adamant
~Magical Leaf
~Giga Drain
~Take Down
~Razor Leaf

sims796 August 27th, 2008 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSoup (Post 3883575)
I have..

[email protected] Leftovers
Adamant
~Magical Leaf
~Giga Drain
~Take Down
~Razor Leaf

That...that's just terrible. Just awful.

Did you see his sp.atk? it's only a measily base 60. That automatically makes Giga Drain & Magical Leaf useless. While I'm on that, why does it need three grass moves? Srsly, why? What are you hoping to accomplish? And it's Adamant, weakening Magical Leaf & Giga Drain more. Is this the set that you use in the game? Don't suggest those. We need a set that suceeds in wifi, not against stupid computers. I can tell because you don't have Leaf Blade, which he learns at lvl 71.

I didn't feel like it, but I guess I have no choice. Here are a few workable sets, courtesy of Smogon.

[email protected]
Nature:Jolly
Leaf Blade
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Roar/Grasswhistle
132 HP/60 Atk/216 Spe

Meant to pass SD to team members. Not meant for straight offense, as if you are using Leafeon, you won't be using his terrible moovepool.


& this is my walling set, meant for OU, that I use with great sucess. Courtesy of Dark Azelf. What a stupid name that is, Dark Azelf. He should change it.

[email protected]
Nature:Impish
Leaf Blade
Wish
Roar
Protect
252 HP/32 Atk/220 Def

Roar is to stop chargers from setting up. Even with this set, Leafeon's Leaf Blade hits hard.

dark_seeker August 27th, 2008 4:42 AM

i like this set but it can also be used as a baton passer or a wish passer
[email protected]/leftys/expert belt/focus sash
nature:jolly
252att/252spd/6def
MOves:
sword dance
leaf blade
return(make sure it loves you)
X-siccor/synthsis

sims796 August 27th, 2008 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 3883600)
i like this set but it can also be used as a baton passer or a wish passer
[email protected]/leftys/expert"][email protected]/leftys/expert belt/focus sash
nature:jolly
252att/252spd/6def
Moves:
sword dance
leaf blade
return(make sure it loves you)
X-siccor/synthsis

Also pretty bad, no offense. Seriously, why Expert Belt? What will it be hitting for Super Effective? With Return? Focus Sash doesn't even deserve a mention, as Leafeon is too strong defensively - it will go to waste. Return isn't worth it on Leafeon. The max it can go to is 102. You can just go for Double Edge.

That set works for UU, not OU. It's walled by everything in OU, but pretty solid in OU.

Shiny August 27th, 2008 4:56 AM

Ok, thanks everybody for the help

Archer August 27th, 2008 5:26 AM

Consider Growth and Encore over Wish and Thunder Wave. They are all very useful moves, although Growth can boost your SAtk (Charge Beam only has 63% chance, factoring in accuracy).
Encore means you can switch in on non-damaging moves on slower opponents and Encore them. Forcing them to switch out. This gives you a chance to set up. Good, though.

sims796 August 27th, 2008 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3883652)
Consider Growth and Encore over Wish and Thunder Wave. They are all very useful moves, although Growth can boost your SAtk (Charge Beam only has 63% chance, factoring in accuracy).
Encore means you can switch in on non-damaging moves on slower opponents and Encore them. Forcing them to switch out. This gives you a chance to set up. Good, though.

You have to quote what your talking about. Half this page is on Leafeon.

Walrein August 27th, 2008 5:47 AM

Actually, both X-scissor and Iron Tail make goos secondery attacks on Leafeon. It's better than nothing...

sims796 August 27th, 2008 5:52 AM

Stop. It won't even work in UU. X-Scissor is fine in UU, unless you really fear Celebii, but everything that Iron Tail hits, Leaf Blade hits harder. In OU, no X-Scizzor. It offers no additional coverage, and he can't really sweep. Leaf blade hits Psychics hard enough,and between Ice Beam on Cressy, & Psychic on Celebii (& being slower) it's useless in OU.

Unless he's UU sweeping, he doesn't need any secondary attacks.

dark_seeker August 27th, 2008 6:00 AM

Quote:

Also pretty bad, no offense.
the item or the moveset
granted the item is bad give it life orb or any other effective item
moveset looks ok double edge has recoil..thats Y return is preffered

sims796 August 27th, 2008 6:08 AM

Both. If you can't get Double Edge, Return may be a sound choice, but for a neutral attack, Double Edge may be more useful.

Both are bad for OU play, however.

Walrein August 27th, 2008 7:38 AM

I'll use Drifblim for Hypnosis, so should I use CM on Spritomb?

Zurich August 27th, 2008 8:47 AM

What about a hippowdon choice bander?

[email protected] choice band 252 HP / 124 Atk / 132 Def

Earthquake
Ice fang/stone edge
Thunder fang
crunch/fire fang/slack off


For gliscor i would use:

[email protected] leftovers 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

EQ
Roost
Ice fang/aerial ace
Stealth rock/knock off/taunt

latioslegends August 27th, 2008 9:09 AM

Quote:

Hippowdon makes an excellent wall, but if you want one that resists Ice than I suggest Forretress

[email protected]
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin
-Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock
-Rest/Earthquake/Explosion

However if you do want to use Hippowdon.

[email protected]
Impish Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk or 252 HP, 16 Atk, 152 Def, 88 Sp Def
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Stealth Rock/Roar
-Slack Off

The Sp Def EVs allow it to survive HP Ice flying around from Electric types (if they decide to stay in against the sand hippo). That being said, most HP Ice's will fail against the hippo with those EVs
Thanks a lot for the help Angelic Diablo, so what would you prefer both sound like two great options I can't really decided X3

JesseRocket August 27th, 2008 12:33 PM

Need some good advice on which moves for Dustox and all else involved with him, thanks! :)

Dark Destiny August 27th, 2008 12:35 PM

Do you want to use Dustox in competitive battling or just using it ingame?

JesseRocket August 27th, 2008 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destiny100 (Post 3884623)
Do you want to use Dustox in competitive battling or just using it ingame?

For the game :) Started Diamond a few days ago (Never played it until now) Thank you! <3

BeachBoy August 27th, 2008 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseRocket (Post 3884618)
Need some good advice on which moves for Dustox and all else involved with him, thanks! :)

Frankly, Jesse, in-game you could use any moveset you feel comfortable with. This thread is mainly geared towards competitive movesets. If you just started the game, you really don't need to worry about movesets and such, as long as you train. You could just go to Dustox's wiki page for everything involved with him. :>

JesseRocket August 27th, 2008 2:07 PM

Thank you BB! <3 I was just curious as to what would be the best moves to keep and which to ditch to get the most out of Dustox in the D/P games :)

latioslegends August 27th, 2008 3:45 PM

Um what would make a good special sweeper? I have decided between Lucario, or gengar, but which would work better, and if these two are not good choices could any please point out a better option I really appreciate the help.^^

. August 27th, 2008 4:27 PM

Lucario is an okay special sweeper. SpecsLuke is cool:

Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Aura Sphere/Focus Blast
Vacuum Wave
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Dragon Pulse/HP Ice

2HKO's standard Bliss with Focus Blast, which is awesome. Bold Blissey (252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD) gets 2HKO'd by Aura Sphere. It's a matter of accuracy vs. power. Focus Blast is Base 180, whereas Aura Sphere is Base 135.

Gengar has too many sets, but I'll list my personal favorite; Choice Scarf revenge killer:

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Shadow Ball
HP Ice
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt

Timid is reccomended to outspeed Deoxys-e, even if it has Max Speed. It doesn't really hit hard, but it's still amazing at revenge killing.

latioslegends August 27th, 2008 7:00 PM

oh thanks for the tips Vance!^_^, um if Lucario ain't really a good choice what would work as a good replacement?

. August 27th, 2008 7:51 PM

No problem ^_^

Lucario is a good special sweeper, just that he's overshadowed by his other set; Swords Dance sweeper.

A really good sweeper that's slightly underrated would be Mismagius. I know Anti would kill me if I did smother it with positive attatchments, but it is actually quite good:

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid
108 HP/164 SpA/238 Spe
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting
Calm Mind
Substitute

Blissey won't be beating this Special Sweeper. Of course, there are others. Another personal favorite is Togekiss:

Togekiss @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Life Orb
Modest
252 HP/154 SpA/104 Spe
Air Slash
Nasty Plot
Aura Sphere
Roost

Blissey can't stall this either without T-Wave or more preferably Toxic. The safest counter for this is Zapdos; resisting both STABs.

Romo_Owens August 27th, 2008 7:52 PM

I'm trying to decide, but I just can't. What's better on Weavile Ice Punch or Ice Shard?

. August 27th, 2008 7:55 PM

Ice Shard suits 'Vile better as a sheer revenge killer. Ice Punch has it's uses in some cases. Sadly, even after taking STAB in account, Ice Shard is still weaker than unSTAB'd Ice Punch. As a pure sweeper, Ice Punch is generally superior. Still, Weavile makes a pretty mediocre sweeper, but an excellent revenge killer.

In short, I'd go Ice Shard.

Ársa August 27th, 2008 11:54 PM

Ice Punch >> Ice Shard, for a main reason. Yache Berry Garchomp has become the standard, far superior to ScarfChomp. Ice Punch OHKO's through Yache Berry, and Weavile outspeeds Garchomp commonly, making it a good revenge killer to it.

~T_S

. August 27th, 2008 11:56 PM

Unless of course, it's a ScarfChomp, which is growing in popularity suddenly (I fought 6 on the Official Server just this night) I dunno, it may be my biased opinion, but I feel Weavile isn't a good sweeper, and makes a decent revenge killer.

Pave Low August 28th, 2008 12:26 AM

weavile finishes off because of his speed his attacks arent good

Walrein August 28th, 2008 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucaslucario (Post 3886073)
weavile finishes off because of his speed his attacks arent good

What? Weavile has 120 base attack and 125 base speed. That's not good for you? He can even suprise kill Medicham and Gallade with Shadow Claw. We are talking about probably the best Dark-type pokemon, excluding Darkai, who is Uber.

Pave Low August 28th, 2008 12:58 AM

when i used him he totally sucked

crystalvelox August 28th, 2008 12:58 AM

Team
 
This is my team so far.

Heracross
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts

Heracross starts as the starter of my team.

Tyranitar
Crunch
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Focus Sash

Focus Sash will allow it a chance to set up a dragon dance or possibly act as a revenge killer.

Garchomp
Outrage
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Yache Berry

Typical Garchomp set up. Hopefully Tyranitar will come out before Garchomp for the added bonus of it's ability to activate.

I can't decide on the remaining 3 pokemon. What I would like for them is to be able to survive sandstorm wether it be an immunity or leftovers to be equipped. Also I was looking for them to be 2 defensive pokemon and 1 offensive with one of those being able to set up toxic spikes, stealth rock, or spikes.

Can anyone help with pokemon suggestions? I'll figure out the moveset and EV spread on my own.

Pave Low August 28th, 2008 1:02 AM

if you want defense id say blissey or snorlax

crystalvelox August 28th, 2008 1:11 AM

?
 
Does the Skarm-Bliss work anymore?

Pave Low August 28th, 2008 1:17 AM

i think it does but im not sure it most probably does

Angelic Diablo August 28th, 2008 1:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 3886122)
This is my team so far.

Heracross
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Pursuit
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts

Heracross starts as the starter of my team.

Tyranitar
Crunch
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Focus Sash

Focus Sash will allow it a chance to set up a dragon dance or possibly act as a revenge killer.

Garchomp
Outrage
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Nature: Jolly
EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp
Item: Yache Berry

Typical Garchomp set up. Hopefully Tyranitar will come out before Garchomp for the added bonus of it's ability to activate.

I can't decide on the remaining 3 pokemon. What I would like for them is to be able to survive sandstorm wether it be an immunity or leftovers to be equipped. Also I was looking for them to be 2 defensive pokemon and 1 offensive with one of those being able to set up toxic spikes, stealth rock, or spikes.

Can anyone help with pokemon suggestions? I'll figure out the moveset and EV spread on my own.

Forretress can be used a physical wall that can set up any of the three spikes you mentioned

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Relaxed Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic Spikes
-Rest/Explosion/Earthquake

And as said, Blissey is the special wall in the standard metagame

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Calm Nature
EVs: 252 Def, 216 Sp Def, 42 HP or Sp Atk
-Softboiled
-Toxic/Thunderwave
-Aromatherapy/Heal Bell/Ice Beam
-Seismic Toss

Ice Beam is just so Gengar doesn't laugh at your attempts to wall him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucaslucario (Post 3886121)
when i used him he totally sucked

Personal experience does not count when talking about a commonly used pokemon, for instance we have no idea whether you were using the standard, or some variant of that which you claim sucks. Yes some movesets are better than others, some are more situational, doesn't mean a pokemon sucks.

Every pokemon has a purpose, even Luvdisc, who's attempts at even being used gets laughed at til the opponent can no longer continue

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 3886146)
Does the Skarm-Bliss work anymore?

Unfortunately not, way too many sweepers care not about that combo (Infernape is the main one), Gliscor and Hippowdon are among the most common physical walls now, and or course Blissey retains her title as THE special wall

crystalvelox August 28th, 2008 1:29 AM

Blissey I'm a little hesitant about using since sandstorm really cuts into it surviving. What are some of the other special walls?

Angelic Diablo August 28th, 2008 1:34 AM

The only ones I can think of that aren't effected by the Sand, don't really work as walls since they lack instant recovery moves

Registeel, Empoleon, Bronzong are the ones I'm talking about

Besides using a whole team based on one weather condition doesn't really work nowadays, Blissey is fine in the Sand anyway since her Leftovers negate the Sandstorm damage and she has Softboiled to heal herself with

crystalvelox August 28th, 2008 1:44 AM

I wasn't actually trying for a particular team based on weather condition anyway it just sort of turned out that way. I first started out with using Garchomp found Tyranitar was better than Hippowdon (IMO). Thought a scarf heracross would make a good choice as a starter. Then I started thinking about defensive pokemon that I could switch heracross with and garchomp if I ran into a Focus band weavile with an EV spread of 252 atk/sp. Anyway I thought that blissey sort of reliead on the leftovers a bit because it recovers like 40hp every turn. So physical walls are skarmory, gliscor, bronzong. Any idea for an offensive pokemon as a final slot. Since my team is mostly physical orientated special would be the likely choice than.

dark_seeker August 28th, 2008 5:27 AM

Quote:

Since my team is mostly physical orientated special would be the likely choice than.
Specs luke is highly effective
vance gave this set above here it is
Quote:


Lucario @ Choice Specs
Modest
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Aura Sphere/Focus Blast
Vacuum Wave
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Dragon Pulse/HP Ice

2HKO's standard Bliss with Focus Blast, which is awesome. Bold Blissey (252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD) gets 2HKO'd by Aura Sphere. It's a matter of accuracy vs. power. Focus Blast is Base 180, whereas Aura Sphere is Base 135.

now my turn any1 know a good pokemon that goes with these 2 for the battle tower
suicune,breloom
special sweeper preffered but anyother will do if effective

Walrein August 28th, 2008 5:32 AM

I used Focus Blast on Gengar, it's accuracy is horrid...Aura Sphere never misses...

JesseRocket August 28th, 2008 6:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseRocket (Post 3884941)
Thank you BB! <3 I was just curious as to what would be the best moves to keep and which to ditch to get the most out of Dustox in the D/P games :)

Anyone? :) Thank you guys <3

Walrein August 28th, 2008 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseRocket (Post 3886582)
Anyone? :) Thank you guys <3

First, try and get 31 in HP or one defensive stat. The chance of getting 31 IVs in two stats (not necessarily the stats you need!) is 1/1024, so I won't ask you that.
Second, even thought Dustox has a nice attacking movepool, it is a defensive pokemon. So:
@Leftovers
252 EV HP/84 Def/90 SpA/84 SpD
Calm/Modest/Bold nature
~Bug Buzz
~Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Energy Ball/Psychic (the only pokemon that are weak to Posion and not Bug are Jumpluff, Breloom, Tropius and Sky Forme Shaymin, and Posion is a horrid attacking type, so it's not neccesery)
~Roost
~Toxic/Light Screen

The Hero Without a Name August 28th, 2008 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucaslucario (Post 3886121)
when i used him he totally sucked

Maybe you don't know HOW to use him effectively.

Quote:

Does the Skarm-Bliss work anymore?
Wassup Infernape.

No.

JesseRocket August 28th, 2008 7:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3886612)
First, try and get 31 in HP or one defensive stat. The chance of getting 31 IVs in two stats (not necessarily the stats you need!) is 1/1024, so I won't ask you that.
Second, even thought Dustox has a nice attacking movepool, it is a defensive pokemon. So:
@Leftovers
252 EV HP/84 Def/90 SpA/84 SpD
Calm/Modest/Bold nature
~Bug Buzz
~Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Energy Ball/Psychic (the only pokemon that are weak to Posion and not Bug are Jumpluff, Breloom, Tropius and Sky Forme Shaymin, and Posion is a horrid attacking type, so it's not neccesery)
~Roost
~Toxic/Light Screen

Thank you so much! :D I really needed to know all this, so I am very grateful! <3
Rep points for helping me! :)

dark_seeker August 28th, 2008 7:53 AM

can some1 please tell me a decent special sweeper which is not gengar for the battle tower


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