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sims796 September 15th, 2008 12:55 PM

Relaxed nature may also suffice.

devilicious September 15th, 2008 12:55 PM

That Bronzong works as a mixed wall, slightly more to the Special side. But what you should do is abuse its resistances from either sides.

As for the others;
Blissey @ Leftovers
252 Def / 80 SpA / 176 SpD
Natural Cure
Calm
- Wish
- Protect / Softboiled
- Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Toxic

This is the standard WishBliss. Great for team support. Flamethrower hits the Steels that Toxic doesn't, but Ice Beam stops Salamence and Dugtrio from ruining your fun. Protect vs Softboiled is if you prefer immediate healing over 2-turns healing, but Protect does help you scout for the opponent's moves.

Arcanine @ Life Orb
228 Atk / 92 SpA / 188 Spe
Flash Fire
Naïve
- Flare Blitz
- Overheat
- ExtremeSpeed / Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power [Electric] / Hidden Power [Ground]

I don't like Arcanine, but this set is supposedely his best. Hits from both sides of the spectrum hard enough. Just hit the walls on their weaker stat. The Hidden Power type is your choice- you chose wether you'll be walled by Heatran or Gyarados.

Meganium @ Leftovers
216 HP / 148 Def / 144 SpA
Bold
- Energy Ball
- Aromatherapy
- Light Screen / Reflect
- Leech Seed / Synthesis

You need guts to use this on OU. That's all I'm going to tell you. It may work with some smart play, but you usually have better options.

Keyaki September 15th, 2008 1:00 PM

Think you can help me out?
 
I made this thread in the regular thread for Platnium, Diamon, and Pearl but i didnt it was in the wrong area

Anyways, I'm trying to think of a good team to have when Platinum comes out,
I'm trying to thinking of what types I should have and what Nature

I already thought of 3 Pokemon:

Infernape
Carnivine
Lucario

Can anyone help me thinking of the other 3 Pokemon and natures and EVs as well?

Mochan September 15th, 2008 1:04 PM

That Arcanine set didn't really look good, but the Blissey one I'm definitely taken. How about..Blaziken/Dragonite/Kingdra? And thanks btw.

BeachBoy September 15th, 2008 1:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 3942055)
I made this thread in the regular thread for Platnium, Diamon, and Pearl but i didnt it was in the wrong area

Anyways, I'm trying to think of a good team to have when Platinum comes out,
I'm trying to thinking of what types I should have and what Nature

I already thought of 3 Pokemon:

Infernape
Carnivine
Lucario

Can anyone help me thinking of the other 3 Pokemon and natures and EVs as well?

Breeder's Corner isn't the right place to put this. So, merged your thread here. It's better to ask in this sticky when you want to ask for that kind of information. :D

sims796 September 15th, 2008 4:11 PM

I was wondering, I was thinking about putting Toxic on my Bulkydos. I'm not sure which move I
should lose. He has

Waterfall
Stone Edge
Taunt
Dragon Dance

I don't know what I should give up.

And please, no noobish help. You aren't helping with that bullcrap.

. September 15th, 2008 4:39 PM

I want a defensive EV spread for Tyranitar (Rest-Talk, Curse, etc...)

The Hero Without a Name September 15th, 2008 4:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coy261 (Post 3942665)
i think you should take off taunt if your a attack type of person if not take off waterfall

Taunt is the anchor of Bulkydos -.-

. September 15th, 2008 4:47 PM

Getting rid of Waterfall is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Waterfall is NEEDED for Gyarados; it's his main STAB.

coy261 September 15th, 2008 4:48 PM

what should i take off my raichu? and replace it with what

volt tackle
surf
thunderbolt
discharge

The Hero Without a Name September 15th, 2008 4:50 PM

Okay, Raichu doesn't need three freaking electric attacks. Keep one, and use HP Grass/Ice and some other move in the last slot.

coy261 September 15th, 2008 4:59 PM

I replaced raichu's discharge with iron tail

. September 15th, 2008 5:02 PM

Iron Tail is horrible. Use HP Ice, and Grass Knot. Over either Volt Tackle or Tbolt, use Focus Punch or Blast.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 7:44 AM

Ok so is this good for miltank
curse
milkdrink
return
gyroball

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mochan (Post 3942067)
That Arcanine set didn't really look good, but the Blissey one I'm definitely taken. How about..Blaziken/Dragonite/Kingdra? And thanks btw.

Kingdra.........................Dragonite.....................Blaziken(this is just my preferd set)
ice beam.......................outrage........................firepunch/flareblitz/Blazekick
surf/hydro pump..............fire punch....................bravebird/stone edge
rain dance.......................dragon dance...............dragonclaw
HP electric......................earthquake...................Brick break/skyuppercut

the blaziken set is just the 1 i like,so dont start yellin at me saying that im dumb and im wrong

sorry for double posting

sims796 September 16th, 2008 8:17 AM

Don't give sets you like unless they work competitively.

And did you see Miltank's Speed? Even after Curse, it's speedy. Gyro Ball is a wasted effort, especially since it has pissy coverage.

luke September 16th, 2008 8:21 AM

Do I see Dragon Claw on that Blaziken?

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 8:26 AM

yes you do.i think its a good move for him
know one here can say that my dragonit or kingdra set is bad
because!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you people told me it,,HEHEHEHE
so ur sayin that milky is fast,sweet.whats a good set for milky

sims796 September 16th, 2008 8:36 AM

This is the set I use, which has been proven effective.

[email protected]
Nature:Adamant
Ability:Thick Fat
EV:252 Atk, 128 Sp.Def, 128 HP
Milk Drink
Earthquake
Return
Ice Punch


That's a deviation of the usual set, which runs defensive:


[email protected]
Nature:Impish
Heal Bell
Milk Drink
Stealth Rock
Body Slam
EV:252 HP, 224 Def, 32 Spe

Second, you will soon get a warning for constant spam at this rate, so yeah, be careful. Dragon Claw is a sucky move.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 8:45 AM

OH sorry,but how does milky learn icepunch
Is mamoswine Good for the BT

sims796 September 16th, 2008 8:46 AM

I don't do Battle Tower, sorry.

But Ice Punch is from Advance.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 8:54 AM

OK,uummm.i need a 3rd addition to my BT team
ive got
dragonite.......starmie
f-punch............surf
outrage.............t-bolt
dragon dance.....icebeam
earthquake.........psychic

luke September 16th, 2008 9:07 AM

The only problem is Blaziken doesn't learn Dragon Claw.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 9:13 AM

oh,oh i saw someone and he had blaziken and it killed salamence with it.shadow claw then,hey apostle can you help me in my search for my 3rd BT pokemon
is drapion OK for it,if so what moves

luke September 16th, 2008 9:16 AM

That Blakizen is obviously hacked.

I used Weezing / Xatu / Feraligatr in the battle tower. Weezing Haze'd stupid Double Team abusers and spread status, Xatu was a lame Spec'd version, and Feraligatr was a DDer.

Dark Azelf September 16th, 2008 9:21 AM

You could use CB Metagross,since Star/Gross/Nite cover each others weaks.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 9:22 AM

OK thanx but is this good for drapion
ice fang
crosspoison
crunch/night slash
brickbreak

sims796 September 16th, 2008 10:37 AM

I used Torterra, Raichu, & Gyarados. Bulkydos was thick enough to take on the early match, hell, it can take on all pokes on her own, usually. Taunt took care of Double Team, while Raichu& Torterra beaten everyone else.

I can never get a winning streak, however, cause I'm BOUND to get crit'd on.

FinalPaladin September 16th, 2008 10:40 AM

you no that you said that i should teach metagross explosion.well i used my TM explosion and the gaming women only gives you it once,what should i replace it with.how about giga impact

Moi. September 16th, 2008 10:41 AM

Im thinking of a Spinning and Spiking Forretress

Forretress @ Lefties
Impish
-Rapid Spin
-Spikes
-Earthquake
-Explosion

What i realy need is an IV spread. And maybe some corrections

LethalTexture September 16th, 2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moi. (Post 3944249)
Im thinking of a Spinning and Spiking Forretress

Forretress @ Lefties
Impish
-Rapid Spin
-Spikes
-Earthquake
-Explosion

What i realy need is an IV spread. And maybe some corrections

Not sure about the EVs, even though I use one myself. Somebody can help you there, unless the EVs of mine come back to me. Try Relaxed with Gyro Ball over Explosion, and as low a speed IV as possible.

Anybody got a decent set for a Bold Cresselia?

Zurich September 16th, 2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3944280)
Not sure about the EVs, even though I use one myself. Somebody can help you there, unless the EVs of mine come back to me. Try Relaxed with Gyro Ball over Explosion, and as low a speed IV as possible.

Anybody got a decent set for a Bold Cresselia?


Maybe you can go with sleep talk cresselia...

Rest
Sleep Talk
ICe beam
Charge beam/psychic/Thunder Wave.

Also you can make a calm minder, but i dont know if bold is a good nature for that.

Mochan September 16th, 2008 11:23 AM

Still need a good EV spread & Movesets for the following pokemon:

Snorlax
Blaziken
Kingdra
Dragonite
Gardevoir
Slowking
Scizor.

Sorry there's so many. I'll rep ya. o_o

Thank youuu. :)

Keyaki September 16th, 2008 12:59 PM

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyaki http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/frlgstyle-2008/buttons/viewpost.gif
I made this thread in the regular thread for Platnium, Diamon, and Pearl but i didnt it was in the wrong area

Anyways, I'm trying to think of a good team to have when Platinum comes out,
I'm trying to thinking of what types I should have and what Nature

I already thought of 3 Pokemon:

Infernape
Carnivine
Lucario

Can anyone help me thinking of the other 3 Pokemon and natures and EVs as well?


Breeder's Corner isn't the right place to put this. So, merged your thread here. It's better to ask in this sticky when you want to ask for that kind of information. :D
Im sorry I'm still new to this forum, Anyway (I hope im doing it right this time)

Im requesting a strong team for Platinum Like above I already chose Infernape,Carnivine, and Lucario but i need help with Evs and Natures and the 3 other Pokemon

The Hero Without a Name September 16th, 2008 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3944247)
you no that you said that i should teach metagross explosion.well i used my TM explosion and the gaming women only gives you it once,what should i replace it with.how about giga impact

NEVER use Giga Impact. Meta's STAB Meteor Mash does as much damage as it... and you can use it TWICE in two turns. Not to mention it doesn't lock you in.

マツバ September 17th, 2008 5:31 AM

I come here in need of some help, due to my moveset troubles.

I have Deoxys, Metagross & Gliscor on my team. (If it's necessary I could tell the other three) I've not only heard it's an effective combination, but I wonder what sets to run.

Perhaps a suicide lead killer Metagross? With Lum Berry; Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash, Earthquake & SR/Explosion. And with him at lead, make a cookie cutter Deoxys Revenge Killer, and Gliscor... well, frankly I don't know what to think of Gliscor here.

Or another possibility I've been thinking. Lead with Deoxys, have Gliscor be a baton passer to the team, Metagross being one of the recipients.

Basically which movesets would be the most effective solution for this combonation, and what would they be?

UUUser September 17th, 2008 6:34 AM

@Mochan
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Careful
Thick Fat
EVs 252 HP/252 Spdef/4 Atk
Rest
Sleep Talk
Body Slam
Earthquake/Fire Blast
status absorber, sp tanker and paralaysis inducer

Blaziken @ Salac Berry
Naive
Blaze
EVs 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Substitute
Overheat
Reversal
Stone Edge
Salac Berry gives +1 speed to cover his slow speed and Overheat deals very high damage to phys wall. weak to sandstorm >_>

Kingdra @ Scope Lens/Life Orb
Naughty
Sniper
EVs 166 Atk/252 Spe/80 Spatk
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Draco Meteor
Return
standard DDMixdra

Dragonite @ Yache Berry
Jolly
Inner Focus
EVs 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Dragon Dance
Fire Blast
Outrage
Earthquake
looks like garchomp >_>

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant
Swarm
EVs 252 Atk/148 Speed/108 HP
Agility
Metal Claw
X-Scissor
Brick Break
Scizor's speed is very slow set agi up then sweep

@Keyaki
Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
Blaze
EVs 24 Atk/252 Spatk/232 Spe
Nasty Plot
Close Combat
Flamethrower
Grass Know
IMO, NPMixape is the best infernape moveset

Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant
Inner Focus
EVs 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Swords Dance
Extremespeed
Stone Edge
Close Combat
Standard SDLuke

@マツバ
Deoxys-S @ Life Orb
Hasty
Pressure
EVs 160 Atk/252 SpA/96 Spe
Superpower
Psychic
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
good late game sweeper, Superpower for blissey, BoltBeam offers good type coverage and Psychic is for STAB

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Adamant
Clear Body
EVs 252 Atk/104 Spe/152 HP
Stealth Rock
Bullet Punch
Thunderpunch
Earthquake
Standard Leadgross

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Jolly
Hyper Cutter
EVs 252 HP/252 Spe/4 Atk
Rock Polish/Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Earthquake
Taunt
Taunt prevents phazer eliminates your stat boost

FinalPaladin September 17th, 2008 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3944754)
NEVER use Giga Impact. Meta's STAB Meteor Mash does as much damage as it... and you can use it TWICE in two turns. Not to mention it doesn't lock you in.

he already has
meteor mash
earthquake
bullet punch
and anouther move to replace explosion,i need help

Romo_Owens September 17th, 2008 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3946243)
he already has
meteor mash
earthquake
bullet punch
and anouther move to replace explosion,i need help

That depends on what you're going for. If the metagross is a choice Band variant, then you may want to either skip back a generation and learn thunderpunch, or you can learn Pursuit which is a good move because many pokemon are afraid of Metagross.
Or you can go for an agiligross so replace Explosion with agility and slap on a life orb.

FinalPaladin September 18th, 2008 7:35 AM

ill try it.how do you gaet metagross to no thunderpunch.is it true that you can only get 1 TMexplosion
sorry for bein a bit of topic

devilicious September 18th, 2008 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3948738)
ill try it.how do you gaet metagross to no thunderpunch.is it true that you can only get 1 TMexplosion
sorry for bein a bit of topic

Could you, please, try to improve your spelling? Just do a bit more of effort so we can help you better.

You can get Thunderpunch on Metagross through the Emerald version Move Tutor.
And yes, ingame it's only possible to get one TM for Explosion. That doesn't stop you from trading for more on Wi-Fi, though.

FinalPaladin September 18th, 2008 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3948765)
Could you, please, try to improve your spelling? Just do a bit more of effort so we can help you better.

You can get Thunderpunch on Metagross through the Emerald version Move Tutor.
And yes, ingame it's only possible to get one TM for Explosion. That doesn't stop you from trading for more on Wi-Fi, though.

soz,i dont have wifi though.
im not sure what to replace explosion with

luke September 18th, 2008 8:10 AM

One: using shortened versions of words like "soz" is annoying and will possibly turn people off from helping you.

Explosion works well on CBGross. There are many variants of Metagross, so pick what best fits your team.

FinalPaladin September 18th, 2008 8:14 AM

OK sorry
woohoo i just realised that theres a explosion tutor in emerald
so im gonna give him
bullet punch
meteormash
earthquake
explosion

could i just switch ,metormash for thunder punch,i no it sounds dumb but i already have bulletpunch an meteor mash has about 80accuracy.remember this is for the BT

The Hero Without a Name September 18th, 2008 2:01 PM

Why deprive Metagross of his ridiculously powerful STAB? If you're gonna replace something, replace Bullet Punch.

Mochan September 18th, 2008 2:49 PM

I need a moveset and EV spread of a Gardevoir. I already have 252 on SP.ATT. Rest please? :O

. September 18th, 2008 4:04 PM

I'm in the mood to use a weird set for any Pokemon. Is this suitable:

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/130.png
Gyarados @ Choice Specs
Modest
72 HP/252 SpA/186 Spe
Hydro Pump
Blizzard
Thunder
Earthquake/Fire Blast

I'll do some damage calcs; mainly a gimmick set, but meh.

Calculations
Hydro Pump...

vs 252 HP/252 SpD Regirock (No SS): 78.02%-92.31%
vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Regirock (In SS): 51.65%-61.54%

Thunder...

vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Skarmory: 105.39%-124.55%
vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Milotic: 54.82%-64.97%
vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Vaporeon: 59.05%-69.83%
vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Starmie: 93.21%-109.88%

Blizzard...

vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Celebi: 64.85%-76.73%
vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Zapdos: 75.00%-88.54%
vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Tangrowth: 112.38%-132.67%

More to come...

shedinjask September 18th, 2008 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mochan (Post 3949698)
I need a moveset and EV spread of a Gardevoir. I already have 252 on SP.ATT. Rest please? :O

Max HP, Modest. Calm Minder, right?

Shiny September 19th, 2008 2:47 AM

I need opinions on this Jynx moveset;

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa124.png @ Leftovers
Oblivious
Mild
252SAtk / 252Spd / 4HP
- Psychic
- Lovely Kiss
- Ice Beam
- Mean Look

By the way, this is for 3rd gen;

dark_seeker September 19th, 2008 3:47 AM

jynx is to frail to use meanlook effectivly

luke September 19th, 2008 5:02 AM

Luna Jynx is the way to go:

Jynx @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Ability: Oblivious
252 Speed / 252 SAtk / 6 HP

Ice Beam
Lovely Kiss
Calm Mind
Substitute

Kiss the counter. Substitute on the switch / turn of sleep. Calm Mind up and massacre with Ice Beam.

Shiny September 19th, 2008 5:10 AM

I was using Mean Look to somewhat trap them

Bow2Me September 19th, 2008 6:44 AM

Need help with team.

Tyranitar: Gentle
hp 339 315 atk
223 def 201 spec atk
273 spec def 157 speed
Sandstorm, Dark Pulse, Earthquake, Stone Edge Quick Claw

Rhyperior: Relaxed
Atk 329 defence 310
sp atk 146 sp def 148
Speed 95 hp 381
Stone Edge, Hammer Arm, Flamethrower, Shadow claw

dragonite: docile
Atk 304 def 196
sp atk 213 ap def 212
speed 192 hp 304
outrage, flamethrower, ice beam, thunder

Blissy: naughty
atk 29 defence 39
sp atk 179 sp def 262
speed 132 hp 625
stealth rock, protect, toxic, facade

houndoom: naughty
atk 257 def 116
so atk 280 so def 175
speed 207 hp 299
overheat, flamethrower, sludge bomb, crunch
Probopass: adamant
atk 176 defence 346
sp atk 144 sp def 336
speed 99 hp 265
stone edge, thunderbolt, earthquake, toxic

luke September 19th, 2008 7:05 AM

Mean Look is usually only good for the Perish Trapping set. Jynx is my favorite Pokemon and I can assure you the Luna set I posted is the most effective (well, most of the time) set available.

Substitute will protect you from status and other threats. It may be walled by Tyranitar and Blissey, but just pair Jynx with a Dugtrio to take them out.

FinalPaladin September 19th, 2008 7:29 AM

ok my metang is gonna migrate soon.thanx for the help peeps

AdvanceMapper September 19th, 2008 1:49 PM

Could anyone give me a good set for a Gallade?

The Hero Without a Name September 19th, 2008 2:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bow2Me (Post 3951193)
Need help with team.

Tyranitar: Gentle
hp 339 315 atk
223 def 201 spec atk
273 spec def 157 speed
Sandstorm, Dark Pulse, Earthquake, Stone Edge Quick Claw

Rhyperior: Relaxed
Atk 329 defence 310
sp atk 146 sp def 148
Speed 95 hp 381
Stone Edge, Hammer Arm, Flamethrower, Shadow claw

dragonite: docile
Atk 304 def 196
sp atk 213 ap def 212
speed 192 hp 304
outrage, flamethrower, ice beam, thunder

Blissy: naughty
atk 29 defence 39
sp atk 179 sp def 262
speed 132 hp 625
stealth rock, protect, toxic, facade

houndoom: naughty
atk 257 def 116
so atk 280 so def 175
speed 207 hp 299
overheat, flamethrower, sludge bomb, crunch
Probopass: adamant
atk 176 defence 346
sp atk 144 sp def 336
speed 99 hp 265
stone edge, thunderbolt, earthquake, toxic

Look at the 4th gen compiled guides. Seriously, this team is really out of it with bad natures and movesets, and if you don't even know the IV's, then you should make a new team.

Zurich September 19th, 2008 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLATINUMFAN (Post 3952027)
Could anyone give me a good set for a Gallade?

how about a phisical sweeper gallade?
Life Orb
Adamant
Sword Dance
Close Combat
Ice punch
psycho cut/stone edge/night slash

AdvanceMapper September 19th, 2008 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3952100)
how about a phisical sweeper gallade?
Life Orb
Adamant
Sword Dance
Close Combat
Ice punch
psycho cut/stone edge/night slash

Sure.
That'll work.
Thanks, but where can I get Ice Punch?

Dark Azelf September 19th, 2008 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLATINUMFAN (Post 3952314)
Sure.
That'll work.
Thanks, but where can I get Ice Punch?

Emerald move tutor for Ice Punch, or Platinum =p.

ABYAY September 19th, 2008 9:00 PM

Recently, I've been running a new Dragonite set. It's pretty killer, and it's something no other dragon can attempt.

[email protected]
Impish
248HP/192spd/36def/32sp.def

Substitute
Roost
Focus Punch
Dragon Claw

Sub-Roost Nite and pretty dang defensive. Fighting/Dragon gives unmatched coverage. The speed hits 244. Defenses are pretty even, each boasting 240+ with a great 385 HP.

Normally Substitute Dragonite uses Focus Punch/Dragon Claw/Sub/Fire move with a lot of attack and HP only. This set utilizes a decent bit of speed (you can drop down some in favor of more bulk), Dragonite's already great 304 attack with a neutral nature, and allows Dragonite to take a lot of hits.

Opinions?

Mochan September 20th, 2008 5:39 AM

Need EV spreads for Charizard, Venasaur, Blastoise. (Movesets if possible too please)

Archer September 20th, 2008 5:51 AM

Charizard @ Salac Berry
Jolly | Blaze
[ 252 Atk, 4 Def, 252 Spd ]
~ Substitute
~ Belly Drum
~ Fire Punch
~ Earthquake

Mochan September 20th, 2008 6:02 AM

Hm, I made my Charizard a SP.Att sweeper, and it already has 252 in SP.Att. Do 252 att, or what?

And still need Blastoise and Venasaur.

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 6:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mochan (Post 3954381)
Hm, I made my Charizard a SP.Att sweeper, and it already has 252 in SP.Att. Do 252 att, or what?

Special Charizard:

[email protected] Specs
Timid
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Overheat/Flamethrower
Focus Blast
Dragon Pulse
HP Grass/HP Electric/Air Slash


And still need Blastoise and Venasaur.

[email protected]
Bold
252HP/252Def/6SpAtt
Rapid Spin
Surf
Toxic/Yawn
Ice Beam/Rest

Utility Blastoise ftw

[email protected]
Calm
252HP/252SpDef/6SpAtt
Leech Seed
Sleep Powder
Energy Ball/Grass Knot
Sludge Bomb

Archer September 20th, 2008 6:11 AM

Fine. Use LOZard or SpecsZard. I am too tired to type them out...It's late.

Skip Shot September 20th, 2008 7:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3953412)
Recently, I've been running a new Dragonite set. It's pretty killer, and it's something no other dragon can attempt.

[email protected]
Impish
248HP/192spd/36def/32sp.def

Substitute
Roost
Focus Punch
Dragon Claw

Sub-Roost Nite and pretty dang defensive. Fighting/Dragon gives unmatched coverage. The speed hits 244. Defenses are pretty even, each boasting 240+ with a great 385 HP.

Normally Substitute Dragonite uses Focus Punch/Dragon Claw/Sub/Fire move with a lot of attack and HP only. This set utilizes a decent bit of speed (you can drop down some in favor of more bulk), Dragonite's already great 304 attack with a neutral nature, and allows Dragonite to take a lot of hits.

Opinions?

Well, after destroying half of my team with that Nite, I would say its not that bad. Then again, I was using a monotype team against u...

UUUser September 20th, 2008 8:40 AM

Rate this Ape =)
NP Subape @ Petaya Berry
Timid
EVs 252 Spatk/252 Spe/4 HP
-Nasty Plot
-Substitute
-Fire Blast
-Focus Blast

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 8:44 AM

hey my metagross is awsome.if any new comers need a good battle tower team ask me for it

Feraligatr,ice fang,auqa tail/waterfall,crunch,earthquake
typhlosion,flareblitz,earthquake
meganium,solarbeam,sunnyday,synthesis,HP fire

Archer September 20th, 2008 8:47 AM

Eh, too easily walled. Also, Focus Blast has bad acc. for a main attack.
If you are subbing, then you could always run a Subpunch set.

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 8:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UUUser (Post 3954890)
Rate this Ape =)
NP Subape @ Petaya Berry
Timid
EVs 252 Spatk/252 Spe/4 HP
-Nasty Plot
-Substitute
-Fire Blast
-Focus Blast

There are better pokes for this job. Infenape lacks the raw stats to pull off a specialised sweep, hence why he's always seen running mixed. You're putting too much investment into set-up, a PHazer will really kick you in the teeth. The set is also walled by bulky waters, with Cune taking little damage from Focus Blast (If it hits) and slowking, starmie, tenta and gyara laugh at you completely. It just doesnt have the coverage and is reliant on a lot of set up for and real potency. Use the mixed set, or at very least a choice variant.

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 8:50 AM

infernape
flareblitz
closecombat/machpunch/brickbreak
u-turn/shadowclaw
thunderpunch

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 8:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3954920)
infernape
flareblitz
closecombat/machpunch/brickbreak
u-turn/shadowclaw
thunderpunch

Erm, why did you post that set? Is it to be rated or just a random reply to the current discussion?

UUUser September 20th, 2008 8:58 AM

+4 Fire Blast to Gyara (no Spd/236 Spd)
257 ~ 297 (2HKO)

+4 Fire Blast to Starmie (no Spd/206 Spd)
289 ~ 339 (OHKO)

+3 Focus Blast to Suicune (no Spd/266 Spd)
373 ~ 479 (OHKO)

+3 Focus Blast to Suicune (no Spd, +1 Spd/399 Spd)
250~294 (2HKO)

deals huge amount of damage but lack of accuracy and pp oTL

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3954941)
Erm, why did you post that set? Is it to be rated or just a random reply to the current discussion?

i just posted it cus UUUser posted about apesets.
can u rate it please go. metagross

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 9:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UUUser (Post 3954942)
+4 Fire Blast to Gyara (no Spd)
257 ~ 297 (2HKO)

+4 Fire Blast to Starmie (no Spd)
289 ~ 339 (OHKO)

+3 Focus Blast to Suicune (no Spd)
373 ~ 479 (OHKO)

+3 Focus Blast to Suicune (no Spd, +1 Spd)
250~294 (2HKO)

deals huge amount of damage but lack of accuracy and pp oTL

All of those imply you will get either 2NPs or an NP and Petaya boost in without getting PHazed or OHKO'd. KO'ing Nape is easy at the best of times, reducing your HP by chunks of 25% is gonna make you weak to things as trivial as rapid spin. If you need to set up this much while undergoing a barrage of attacks from their Ape counters, you're gonna have serious problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3954949)
i just posted it cus UUUser posted about apesets.
can u rate it please go. metagross

UUU wanted his set rated, not additional sets given. Posting an incomplete set (You forgot EVs, item and nature) is not helping anybody.

The set you posted is very similar to standard CBApe, but with some pointless alternatives offered. Mach Punch is too weak and Ape is fast already, and brick break has almost 0 advantage over CC. Shadow Claw offers almost nothing over U-Turn, which is far more beneficial.

UUUser September 20th, 2008 9:06 AM

+4 is from Blaze, Petaya and Nasty Plot
Stealth Rock lets the Ape set-up faster.

edit : I forgot that common sandstorm could kill subpinch-er >_>

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 9:11 AM

is this good for medicalcham
physical................................................................special
psycho cut.............................................................shadowball
drainpunch/forcepalm/reversal/brickbreak.................focusblast
shadowball............................................................shadowball
thunderpunch.......................................................energyball/calmmind

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 9:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UUUser (Post 3954980)
+4 is from Blaze, Petaya and Nasty Plot
Stealth Rock lets the Ape set-up faster

It also makes infernape more easily KO'd, and this infernape cannot recieve its full boost until it has essential killed itself, which it won't have a chance to do since almost every UU with surf will 2HKO infernape at full health. Lowering your own health is like a present for them.

J.M. September 20th, 2008 9:18 AM

Right, I'm requesting help on two Rhyperior sets.

First is on the Adamant shiny Rhydon that I caught. What EVs and moves should I give it?

Secondly, I want to EV Train a Rhyperior from level 1 (obviously a Rhyhorn at that point). However, I'm not sure whether to give it a defensive or offensive set (or a bit of both), which nature to breed for and what moves to give it.

Much appreciated.

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3955000)
is this good for medicalcham
physical................................................................special
psycho cut.............................................................shadowball
drainpunch/forcepalm/reversal/brickbreak.................focusblast
shadowball............................................................shadowball
thunderpunch.......................................................energyball/calmmind

Give us the damn EVs, natures and items!!!1111!!!!

Seriously, I alone have told you once already today. We cannot improve your sets properly without all the information.

First off, medicham can never be a special sweeper. Without Specs it's too weak and without Scarf it's too slow. Huge power is the only thing keeping it out of NU.

Drain Punch and Force Palm are far too weak, and reversal just sucks- Brick Break or High Jump Kick please. Shadow Ball is a special attack, and as such should not be used. Ice punch in it's place.

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 9:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.M. (Post 3955020)
Right, I'm requesting help on two Rhyperior sets.

First is on the Adamant shiny Rhydon that I caught. What EVs and moves should I give it?

Secondly, I want to EV Train a Rhyperior from level 1 (obviously a Rhyhorn at that point). However, I'm not sure whether to give it a defensive or offensive set (or a bit of both), which nature to breed for and what moves to give it.

Much appreciated.


oh hi.im sorry icant giv you EVs or natures but ive got some really good moves for him

RHYPERIOR
megahorn/poisonjab/avalanch
thunderbolt
earthquake
stoneedge

if u need help with this set just ask

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.M. (Post 3955020)
Right, I'm requesting help on two Rhyperior sets.

First is on the Adamant shiny Rhydon that I caught. What EVs and moves should I give it?

Secondly, I want to EV Train a Rhyperior from level 1 (obviously a Rhyhorn at that point). However, I'm not sure whether to give it a defensive or offensive set (or a bit of both), which nature to breed for and what moves to give it.

Much appreciated.

Rhyperior runs a tank set mostly, so for the newly bred one use the following:

[email protected]
Impish
252HP/252Def/6Att
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn/Avalanche
Stealth Rock/Roar/Substitute

For the adamant one, a set-up variant would be best:

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Adamant
252Att/252Spd/6SpDef
Swords Dance/Agility
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn/Avalanche/Ice Fang

The SD variant is only really worth using if you can get speed passes onto it. RP is the way to go.

Paladin, Poisin Jab sucks on him :| and have you actually looked at it's statline? Because I can't remember the last time a poke with base 55 SpAtt used thunderbolt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the rules
Don't rate without proper knowledge


prince of retardia September 20th, 2008 9:32 AM

I would only want a team of one:
Gengar-Jolly (levitate)
Night shade
Hypnosis
Dream eater
Thunderbolt
It would be nicknamed Biggie Johnson!

FinalPaladin September 20th, 2008 9:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prince of retardia (Post 3955062)
I would only want a team of one:
Gengar-Jolly (levitate)
Night shade
Hypnosis
Dream eater
Thunderbolt
It would be nicknamed Biggie Johnson!

replace hypnosis with nightmare

El Gofre September 20th, 2008 9:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prince of retardia (Post 3955062)
I would only want a team of one:
Gengar-Jolly (levitate)
Night shade
Hypnosis
Dream eater
Thunderbolt
It would be nicknamed Biggie Johnson!

We need EVs and items please

Jolly is one of the worst natures you could have picked.

Dream eater sucks, what with most sleeping pokes switching out and it's poor coverage

Gengar gas far more powerful moves than night shade when raised properly.

Gengar should run as following:

[email protected] Orb/Wide Lense
Timid
252SpAtt/252Spd/4HP
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball
Hypnosis/HP Ice
Focus Blast

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3955075)
replace hypnosis with nightmare

*Facepalm*

Don't make me quote the rules to you in bigger, bolder letters than before. Learn about the competetive metagame to give what is, quite frankly, terrible advice. Not only is nightmare a crappy move cured by a simple switchout, it is reliant on hypnosis to work. As is Dream eater. Should he, god forbid, continue to use DE then without Hypnosis it's utterly redundant. Please learn about the metagame and try again.

+Golden Weavile+ September 20th, 2008 12:33 PM

Moveset Help
 
Whats A Good Moveset For A Gliscor
Im Iv Breeding One Now

Zurich September 20th, 2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Golden Weavile+ (Post 3955730)
Whats A Good Moveset For A Gliscor
Im Iv Breeding One Now


If you want a physical wall use this:
Leftovers/impish 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

Earthquake
Roost
ice fang
stealth rock/ taunt/ knock off

or if you want a baton passer:
Leftovers/jolly 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe

Rock polish/sword dance
Roost
Baton pass
Earthquake/taunt

The Hero Without a Name September 20th, 2008 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Golden Weavile+ (Post 3955730)
Whats A Good Moveset For A Gliscor
Im Iv Breeding One Now

Nobody can tell you what a good moveset for him is without knowing what specifically you want him to do.

Moi. September 20th, 2008 1:05 PM

Yeah i need a set of EVs on my impish Forretress.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Impish
-Earthquake
-Spikes
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion

The Hero Without a Name September 20th, 2008 1:07 PM

252 HP/164 ATK/92 DEF

I think that's standard for an Impish/Relaxed Forry.

Archer September 20th, 2008 5:21 PM

No. I run 40 Atk at most. Otherwise it loses bulk. You could just run Max HP/Def.

EDIT:

Need advice on this set.

Machamp @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Adamant | Guts
[ 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Def ]
~ Revenge
~ Payback
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

Anti September 20th, 2008 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3957000)
No. I run 40 Atk at most. Otherwise it loses bulk. You could just run Max HP/Def.

EDIT:

Need advice on this set.

Machamp @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Adamant | Guts
[ 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Def ]
~ Revenge
~ Payback
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

I like the overall idea, but Dynnamicpunch is probably more useful to confuse the many things that wall resttalkers like it (Gyarados and Salamence being the two best examples).

Also, I find a lot more defense than attack as far as the EV spread goes goes a long way in how well machamp can stand up to Tyranitar and other physical attacks.

CodeBrain September 20th, 2008 6:39 PM

Hello, I need some help.

I have these pokemon: Rhypherior, Garchomp, Weavile, Infernape, Salamence, Magnezone, Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Shuckle, Electrode, Steelix, Torterra, Blissey, Steelix, and others on my Pokemon Ranch.

I wanted to make a team of 2 special attackers, 2 physical attackers, 1 physical wall, and 1 special wall. Can someone tell me some good pokes for that list (or suggestions of some that arent on the list)

Im asking for what is a good attacker, sp attacker, phys wall, and spec wall with or without those pokemon.

Shiny September 20th, 2008 6:43 PM

Could I get a Lopunny moveset please?

Angelic Diablo September 20th, 2008 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by +Golden Weavile+ (Post 3955730)
Whats A Good Moveset For A Gliscor
Im Iv Breeding One Now

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3955789)
If you want a physical wall use this:
Leftovers/impish 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

Earthquake
Roost
ice fang
stealth rock/ taunt/ knock off

or if you want a baton passer:
Leftovers/jolly 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe

Rock polish/sword dance
Roost
Baton pass
Earthquake/taunt

I prefer using the SD set myself

[email protected]/Life Orb
Jolly Nature
EVs: 120 HP, 200 Atk, 188 Spd
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Swords Dance
-Roost

With speed of 300, it outspeeds most Salamence and then KOs with Ice Fang. HP EVs keep it bulky while Roost keeps it healthy. Life Orb damage can also be nullified with Roost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeBrain (Post 3957284)
Hello, I need some help.

I have these pokemon: Rhypherior (Phy Tank), Garchomp (Phy Sweeper), Weavile (Phy Sweeper), Infernape (Mix Sweeper), Salamence (Mix Sweeper/Bulky Sweeper), Magnezone (Sp Sweeper), Porygon-Z (Sp Sweeper), Alakazam (Sp Sweeper), Shuckle (Fail/Annoyer), Electrode (Annoyer), Steelix (Phy Wall), Torterra (Phy Tank), Blissey (Sp Wall), Steelix (Phy Wall), and others on my Pokemon Ranch.

I wanted to make a team of 2 special attackers, 2 physical attackers, 1 physical wall, and 1 special wall. Can someone tell me some good pokes for that list (or suggestions of some that arent on the list)

Im asking for what is a good attacker, sp attacker, phys wall, and spec wall with or without those pokemon.

In bold is what they commonly run, most of them can only run sets involving this, but Salamence and Infernape can also go full special or full physical sets as well. Steelix is listed twice as well lol.

Garchomp is also now considered as an Uber, so he unfortunately cannot be used in Standard battles.

FinalPaladin September 21st, 2008 12:12 AM

oh hey.i hav decided to breed my lv100 luxray.can i have agood moveset for him please

Angelic Diablo September 21st, 2008 12:44 AM

Luxray suffers the curse of Flareon, that is, he has a great attack stat, but his best physical STAB is Thunder Fang. Poor lion

[email protected] Band/Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Adament/Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Crunch/Quick Attack
-Ice Fang
-Return
-Spark/Thunder Fang

Generic Choice Attacker, Quick Attack shouldn't appear on the Scarf set. Best coverage with his small movepool

[email protected] Orb
Rash/Naive Nature
EVs: 120 Atk, 252 Sp Atk, 136 Spd
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Grass
- Crunch
- Ice Fang

Thunderbolt is the best (accuracy and power) STAB for Luxray, but since his special attack is only base 95. You want to boost that more than Attack. Mixed sweeping capabilities. HP Grass is used, because Luxray is a UU sweeper, and Gastrodon and Quagsire would cause problems.

Now with Rivalry you have to choose which threats you are willing to take out easier than others. Male may seem the obvious choice, but Nidoqueen is 2HKO by Ice Fang if you opt for Female, who would otherwise be able to stop your sweep entirely.

Archer September 21st, 2008 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3958238)
Now with Rivalry you have to choose which threats you are willing to take out easier than others. Male may seem the obvious choice, but Nidoqueen is 2HKO by Ice Fang if you opt for Female, who would otherwise be able to stop your sweep entirely.

Just thought I should mention that, on Shoddy, the default choice is male, and people rarely change it, but I believe this is for Wifi. The Safer bet is to go with intimidate on both.

Raging_Lugia September 21st, 2008 3:16 AM

i cant decide on a team
i kinda want one with mixed elements with sweepers ect
but i cant decide
any ideas?

4th Gen Matt September 21st, 2008 1:33 PM

Okay, I already have 2/6 Pokemon for my team. They are Skarmory and Snorlax.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish Nature
Keen Eye
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Atk
Brave Bird
Spikes
Whirlwind
Roost

Lead with Skarmory and use Spikes. Then use WW to deal slight damage to his entire team. I use BB when I need to attack and Roost to heal from attacks and BB recoil. Pretty much the standard Skarmory. She has 401 Defense.


Snorlax @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
Thick Fat
168 HP, 120 Def, 210 SpD
Body Slam
Crunch
Rest
Sleep Talk

I used BS over Return because of the 30% paralysis rate. Crunch is used to deal with ghosts and Rest and ST are used to heal when HP gets low. I laughed my ass off when I saw his stats after getting him to Lv. 100. He had an even 300 Atk stat. xD


That is my team so far, what do you think I need?


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