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Milke September 26th, 2008 11:43 AM

What's the typical Snorlax Tank/Wall set these days?

Dark Azelf September 26th, 2008 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DunderMifflinite (Post 3973933)
What's the typical Snorlax Tank/Wall set these days?

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252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Careful Nature
Trait : Thick Fat
- Body Slam
- Crunch / Earthquake
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Pretty much.

Kittyipawd September 26th, 2008 12:42 PM

what is a good set for a trick cresslia?

EDIT:What accuracy does hydro pump become in the rain?

ChamsRock September 26th, 2008 1:12 PM

Same Accuracy, but stronger. Thunder is the only thing with better accurracy in rain.

Milke September 26th, 2008 1:29 PM

Does thunder get 100 accuracy in rain or 95?

Kittyipawd September 26th, 2008 1:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChamsRock (Post 3974158)
Same Accuracy, but stronger. Thunder is the only thing with better accurracy in rain.

I think this answer your question mate and does anyone still know that trick set for cressy ?

Dark Azelf September 26th, 2008 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kittyipawd (Post 3974204)
I think this answer your question mate and does anyone still know that trick set for cressy ?



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80 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 176 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Hidden power Fighting / Hidden power Electric
- Trick

I have been using this as of late. 375 speed which puts you above + speed 120's. =). HP Fight for T-Tar, Weavile and Zone mainly and HP Electric for Gyarados.

devilicious September 26th, 2008 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DunderMifflinite (Post 3974201)
Does thunder get 100 accuracy in rain or 95?

100 accuracy, but mantains its 120 Base Power.
Hydro Pump keeps the accuracy, but has 1.5 more power regardless of STAB or not.

To Write Love On Her Arms September 27th, 2008 12:29 AM

Does anyone have an idea for a moveset for a level 100 lanturn?

Angelic Diablo September 27th, 2008 12:35 AM

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Calm Nature
EVs: 40 HP, 136 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 80 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunderwave/Toxic

Standard sponging Lanturn, Toxic helps it against the Water/Ground types (Gastrodon/Quagsire)

-OR-

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Calm Nature
EVs: 40 HP, 136 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 80 Spd
-Discharge/Thunder
-Surf
-Confuse Ray
-Ice Beam

Parafusion. Your opponent will not be able attack 5 out of 8 times on average (or 62.5% of the time)

To Write Love On Her Arms September 27th, 2008 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3975735)
[email protected]
Calm Nature
EVs: 40 HP, 136 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 80 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Thunderwave/Toxic

Standard sponging Lanturn, Toxic helps it against the Water/Ground types (Gastrodon/Quagsire)

-OR-

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Calm Nature
EVs: 40 HP, 136 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 80 Spd
-Discharge/Thunder
-Surf
-Confuse Ray
-Ice Beam

Parafusion. Your opponent will not be able attack 5 out of 8 times on average (or 62.5% of the time)

wow, that was a quick reply. Thaks a bunch :D

shedinjask September 27th, 2008 3:28 AM

Thunder has Swift-accuracy in rain.

That looks like a good Cressy set.

Milke September 27th, 2008 10:19 AM

I unsuccessfully tried to post this in the strategies and movesets forum, so I guess I'll try here now.

This is part of a team I'm going to make and it needs comments, criticism, and two moer pokemon. All help is appreciated. Just don't say LOL yur Infernape sucks it should ahve Blast Burn Flametrower Fire blast and ember LOL


Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/162 Def/96 SDef
Sassy nature
- Gyro Ball
- Hypnosis
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Evs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 6 Def
Careful nature
- Body Slam
- Crunch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Infernape @ Life Orb
252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Timid nature
- Nasty Plot
- Grass Knot
- Flamethrower
- Hp Ice

Gyrados @ ????
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
????? nature
(insert physical sweeper moveset here)

(Insert 2 other pokemon perfectly suited to the rest of the team here)

Detox September 28th, 2008 7:12 AM

Im changing my T-tar for the platinum metagame and heres what i got....dont bash me for this either.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Sand Stream
Adamant nature
255 Atk 252 spd 3 hp

crunch/aqua tail/ice punch
dragon dance
outrage
???????

I need help on the first and 4th slots,and i need to know if i should change any EVs.

. September 28th, 2008 7:20 AM

Outrage sucks on Tyranitar. Use this:

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Jolly
6 HP/252 Att/252 Spe
Dragon Dance
Crunch
Earthquake
Stone Edge/Aqua Tail

Only use Aqua Tail if Hippowdon/Donphan REALLY scare you.

Choice Band is still the best set in my opinion:

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant
188 HP/252 Att/76 Spe
Crunch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Pursuit/Aqua Tail

Again, Pursuit is the better option, but Aqua Tail stops Hippowdon from completely walling you.

Barney. September 28th, 2008 7:35 AM

Could anyone suggest a good leaf type set to train on my pearl?

*Also*

My new diamond team to take through game (Moves decided throughout game):

Prinplup <<<<Will be Empoleon
Naughty nature

Roselia <<<<Will be Roserade
Bashful nature

Gible <<<<Will hopefullly be Garchomp :P
Relaxed nature

Monferno <<<< Everstone'd
Mild nature

Meditite <<<<Will be Medicham
Gentle nature

Now I'm not sure about....

Spoink <<<<Will be Grumpig if kept.
Naive nature

May replace Spoink, with maybe a Flying type. But Which?, Don't want a Starly/Staravia/Staraptor.

Please help.

FinalPaladin September 28th, 2008 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazeavile (Post 3980474)
Could anyone suggest a good leaf type set to train on my pearl?

*Also*

My new diamond team to take through game (Moves decided throughout game):

Prinplup <<<<Will be Empoleon
Naughty nature

Roselia <<<<Will be Roserade
Bashful nature

Gible <<<<Will hopefullly be Garchomp :P
Relaxed nature

Monferno <<<< Everstone'd
Mild nature

Meditite <<<<Will be Medicham
Gentle nature

Now I'm not sure about....

Spoink <<<<Will be Grumpig if kept.
Naive nature

May replace Spoink, with maybe a Flying type. But Which?, Don't want a Starly/Staravia/Staraptor.

Please help.

for a flying type i recomend
Honchkrow @ scopelense
superluck
nightslash/suckerpunch
taunt(replace with fly for ingame as any thing owns ingame and fly is good for traveling)
steelwing
drillpeck

nightslash,super luck,scopelense criticalhit combo works a treat

you could replace night slash with sucker punch.if so definatly teach honch suckerpunch as taunt forces attacking moves,clever eeehhhh

whishmaker September 28th, 2008 8:04 AM

ok, i was thinking of a feraligatr

Feraligatr @ ?
naughty
evs: 252 atk/ 168 sp atk/ 84 spd
ice punch
dragon dance
crunch?
hydro pump

ok, i'm not so good :P
plz, rate

Barney. September 28th, 2008 8:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3980553)
for a flying type i recomend
Honchkrow @ scopelense
superluck
nightslash/suckerpunch
taunt(replace with fly for ingame as any thing owns ingame and fly is good for traveling)
steelwing
drillpeck

nightslash,super luck,scopelense criticalhit combo works a treat

you could replace night slash with sucker punch.if so definatly teach honch suckerpunch as taunt forces attacking moves,clever eeehhhh

Cool thats good.

Thanks...

Still need a leaf type for my pearl....*Thinks*

. September 28th, 2008 8:08 AM

That Honchkrow, or any Honchkrow for that matter, won't live long enough to use Taunt. I'd use the mixed set:

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Naughty
252 ATT / 66 SP.ATT / 192 SPEED
Sucker Punch
Heat Wave
Superpower
HP Ice

If you aren't using Platinum...Well, there's always Nasty Plot:

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Timid
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
HP Fighting
Thunder Wave/Psychic

Psychic on a STABless Poke sucks most of the time, but it lets you hit EVERYTHING in the game for neutral.

And then of course, the CB set:

Honchkrow @ Choice Band
Adamant
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Sucker Punch
Night Slash/Pursuit
Drill Peck
Steel Wing

Dark Azelf September 28th, 2008 8:17 AM

Super Power >> Fail wing on CB Krow lol



Quote:

Originally Posted by whishmaker (Post 3980564)
ok, i was thinking of a feraligatr

Feraligatr @ ?
naughty
evs: 252 atk/ 168 sp atk/ 84 spd
ice punch
dragon dance
crunch?
hydro pump

ok, i'm not so good :P
plz, rate


Ewww.

Use the following as its outclassed by Gyarados otherwise (At pure DDing).



Feraligatr @ Salac Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly nature (+Spe , - SpA)
- Sword Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Flail

or

Ferliagatr @ Liechi Berry / Salac Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk , - SpA) / Jolly nature (+Spe , - SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Flail
- Waterfall

Platinum.



If in D/P replace flail with Crunch / Return

. September 28th, 2008 8:20 AM

It's Pearl D_A, no Platinum ._.

Dark Azelf September 28th, 2008 8:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazeavile (Post 3980474)
Could anyone suggest a good leaf type set to train on my pearl?

*Also*

My new diamond team to take through game (Moves decided throughout game):

Prinplup <<<<Will be Empoleon
Naughty nature

Roselia <<<<Will be Roserade
Bashful nature

Gible <<<<Will hopefullly be Garchomp :P
Relaxed nature

Monferno <<<< Everstone'd
Mild nature

Meditite <<<<Will be Medicham
Gentle nature

Now I'm not sure about....

Spoink <<<<Will be Grumpig if kept.
Naive nature

May replace Spoink, with maybe a Flying type. But Which?, Don't want a Starly/Staravia/Staraptor.

Please help.


Read the rules, dont post anything ingame in this forum "A team of 6 magikarp work in game". This is a competitive forum (Wifi + Shoddy) so yeah.

sims796 September 28th, 2008 8:54 AM

And I keep saying, a team of six Magikarps will not win in game. After all, there are ghost pokemon. Yessireie. Make sure you have 5 Magikarp and a Luvdisc, since it can use Water Gun.

Sora_8920 September 28th, 2008 10:44 AM

Is there a specific moveset for Snorlax in Platinum? Or is it precisely the same? EDIT: Trying to build a Plat. team on Shoddy, btw.

. September 28th, 2008 10:49 AM

Mainly the same, unless you want Gunk Shot lol.

shedinjask September 28th, 2008 11:27 AM

Actually since it now gets Bounce it is perfectly viable to run an all Magikarp team.

Snorlax is mostly the same except for Superpower and I guess Seed Bomb if you're tired of Swamperts.

sims796 September 28th, 2008 11:32 AM

Ah, yes, very right, very right indeed. Go Team Karp.

4th Gen Matt September 28th, 2008 1:30 PM

I just joined a new league called the Azelf League. It is really fun and is about to start. You can check it out from the link in my signature.

Anyway, I need to make a team out of 6 Pokemon for the league. However, the league requires you to choose a tier and only use Pokemon from that tier. I chose tier 2, which contains these Pokemon:

Charizard; Typhlosion; Blaziken; Infernape; Beedrill; Wigglytuff; Victreebell; Kingler; Hitmonlee; Tentacruel; Ampharos; Wobbuffet; Corsola; Miltank; Shiftry; Sableye; Golem; Crawdaunt; Walrein; Bibarel; Gastrodon; Weezing; Electivire; Froslass; Fearow; Venomoth; Rapidash; Marowak; Gyarados; Moltres; Sudowoodo; Dunsparce; Mantine; Ninjask; Gardevoir; Medicham; Spinda; Armaldo; Relicanth; Roserade; Loppuny; Toxicroak; Yanmega; Mesprit; Raichu; Golduck; Dodrio; Lucario; Vaporeon; Noctowl; Sunflora; Qwilfish; Kingdra; Delcatty; Snorlax; Torkoal; Clefable; Kecleon; Metagross; Wormadam; Purugly; Abomasnow; Gliscor; Regigigas; Nidoking; Polywrath; Starmie; Omastar; Crobat; Umbreon; Heracross; Porygon2; Beautifly; Exploud; Swalot; Lunatone; Chimecho; Registeel; Pachirisu; Chatot; Licklicky; Magnezone; Leafeon, Garchomp


Exclude all of the ubers. Anyway, I could really use some help on my team. It does not have to be all OU Pokemon. Infact, I would prefer only 3 OU and 3 UU. I would also like it if you could somehow work this Hitmonlee into the team.

Hitmonlee @ Life Orb
Ability: Limber
Nature: Jolly
EV's: 252 Atk, 4 SpD, 252 Spe
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Blaze Kick

This Hitmonlee can rip through a handful of OU Pokemon. He is not as weak as many believe.

Anyway, thanks for your help!

Skaterzpenguin September 28th, 2008 2:22 PM

good moveset/nature for rydon?
 
Like the subject says... I am playing ruby and thinking of catching a ryhorn and training it, so I was wondering what is a good move set for him/her and what nature should I go after more. I'm into speed and defence for natures, so tell me a good one. thanks who ever helps me. =]

wolf September 28th, 2008 2:32 PM

Go for a nature called impish, raises defense but lowers special attack. A moveset for rhydon would be... Earthquake, maybe hyper beam, substitute, focus punch, if you find it hard to get these tms, or don't want to use them, then use this moveset:
Earthquake
Mega Horn
Hyper Beam
Iron Tail

Tell me if you don't like these movesets.

Skaterzpenguin September 28th, 2008 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowmightyena (Post 3982355)
Go for a nature called impish, raises defense but lowers special attack. A moveset for rhydon would be... Earthquake, maybe hyper beam, substitute, focus punch, if you find it hard to get these tms, or don't want to use them, then use this moveset:
Earthquake
Mega Horn
Hyper Beam
Iron Tail

Tell me if you don't like these movesets.

Okay I don't think hyper beam will work that much if i'm getting a impish ryhorn/rydon. Also I don't use all attacking moves. For an example, I would use 3 moves and one like protect or sumthing. I hope you get my drift. xD

wolf September 28th, 2008 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skaterzpenguin (Post 3982385)
Okay I don't think hyper beam will work that much if i'm getting a impish ryhorn/rydon. Also I don't use all attacking moves. For an example, I would use 3 moves and one like protect or sumthing. I hope you get my drift. xD

Yeah I just thought about it, let me see... What about this:
Attract
Toxic
Substitute
Focus Punch
or...
Attract
Toxic
Rest
Iron Tail or some high type of pp move
He should hold a chesto berry for rest.

Skaterzpenguin September 28th, 2008 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowmightyena (Post 3982405)
Yeah I just thought about it, let me see... What about this:
Attract
Toxic
Substitute
Focus Punch
or...
Attract
Toxic
Rest
Iron Tail or some high type of pp move
He should hold a chesto berry for rest.

Wow, there we go! =D

ok this is my moveset for it now! (impish)

-earthquake
-toxic
-attract
-rest

well... thanks for helping me out! ^_^

wolf September 28th, 2008 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skaterzpenguin (Post 3982414)
Wow, there we go! =D

ok this is my moveset for it now! (impish)

-earthquake
-toxic
-attract
-rest

well... thanks for helping me out! ^_^

Your Welcome!^^ With its high defense already and impish nature and once the opponent knocks his hp down you use rest and by the time you did that the foe might be fainted by now because of toxic, and with attract it would help him stay in longer.

Detox September 28th, 2008 3:19 PM

I basically want my little uxie to be of some use so i need help with a staller set....

ABYAY September 28th, 2008 8:06 PM

For Diamond/Pearl

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Bold
252HP/252def/6sp.def

U-Turn
Stealth Rock
Yawn
Thunderbolt/Psychic/Protect

This set softens up the foe until your team can attempt a sweep. Stealth Rock is obligatory, Yawn helps cause switches, and U-Turn to help set up a counter to your foe's Uxie counter. The last slot has debate; Thunderbolt hits Gyarados, Psychic pairs okay with U-Turn for damage, and Protect scouts, as well as allowing Leftovers to give more healing.

For Platinum...I don't know much. Maybe throw in Knock Off somewhere to give more team support.

Also...wtf at those above sets for a Rhydon? Those are crap... Is it for Ruby/Sapphire? If so...

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Adamant, Rock Head
252HP/252atk/6spd

Megahorn
Earthquake
Rock Slide/Rock Blast
Focus Punch/Double-Edge

CB Rhydon; hard to use, but sure as heck hits hard. Bring it in on a Tauros Return, and predict to kill something. Rock Blast is considerable with its ability to break Substitutes, but is rather unreliable. The last slot is prediction power vs. safety. Double-Edge with Rock Head gives a powerful attack with no recoil.

Infernape Girl 17 September 29th, 2008 4:48 AM

hi i would like to know what a good moves i can use on my leafeon for wifiing. my leafeon has impish nature which raises defense which is cool. so far on it i have wish razor leaf grasswhistle and roar. shouldi go with leaf balde instead or stay with razor leaf since razor leaf has more pp i think.

Dark Azelf September 29th, 2008 7:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infernape Girl 17 (Post 3984153)
hi i would like to know what a good moves i can use on my leafeon for wifiing. my leafeon has impish nature which raises defense which is cool. so far on it i have wish razor leaf grasswhistle and roar. shouldi go with leaf balde instead or stay with razor leaf since razor leaf has more pp i think.

Leaf Blade since its has more power.


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252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
Impish nature
- Leaf Blade
- Wish
- Protect
- Roar / Grass Whistle

Wish Pass PHazer.


Quote:

Originally Posted by skaterzpenguin
Like the subject says... I am playing ruby and thinking of catching a ryhorn and training it, so I was wondering what is a good move set for him/her and what nature should I go after more. I'm into speed and defence for natures, so tell me a good one. thanks who ever helps me. =]

No ingame stuff please. Read the rules. This is competitive forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowmightyena (Post 3982355)
Go for a nature called impish, raises defense but lowers special attack. A moveset for rhydon would be... Earthquake, maybe hyper beam, substitute, focus punch, if you find it hard to get these tms, or don't want to use them, then use this moveset:
Earthquake
Mega Horn
Hyper Beam
Iron Tail

Tell me if you don't like these movesets.

...

Hyper Beam and Iron Tail are horrific.......as are Attract and Rest on it <_<.


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252 HP / 252 ATT / 6 DEF
Trait : Rock Head
Adamant Nature
~ Megahorn
~ Earthquake
~ Rock Slide / Rock Blast / Hidden Power Rock
~ Focus Punch / Double-Edge


Rock Blast breaks subs (See Ninjask). Double Edge hits Claydol/Weezing, Focus Punch his Skarmory harder than anything and other moves should be self explanatory.

OR

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Adamant Nature
212 HP / 122 Atk / 176 Spe
Trait : Rock Head
~ Earthquake
~ Swords Dance / Megahorn
~ Rock Slide / Rock Blast
~ Substitute

Sub set pretty much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantonSyndrome

I basically want my little uxie to be of some use so i need help with a staller set....


Use ABYAY'S set (Yawn Rocking is annoying as hell >_<).Additionally another really nice set is this.

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252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Thunderwave
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Sexycheese September 30th, 2008 12:14 AM

Hi I know this may seem like a dumb quewstion but I just heard I cant use my garchomp in OU anymore. Is this true? and if it is can anyone suggest an alternative. Thanks :)

Angelic Diablo September 30th, 2008 12:47 AM

Yep, Garchomp has been moved up to the Uber tier, but the problem with your second part is there is no proper replacement.

Salamence is the best Dragon counterpart, where as with his resistances and Sand Veil, LO SD Gliscor could also sorta fill the slot.

Unfortunately both have tried and true counters, where as Garchomp just did not, hence the reason it moved to Ubers.

At least with Platinum Salamance gets Outrage as well.

Sexycheese September 30th, 2008 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3987201)
Yep, Garchomp has been moved up to the Uber tier, but the problem with your second part is there is no proper replacement.

Salamence is the best Dragon counterpart, where as with his resistances and Sand Veil, LO SD Gliscor could also sorta fill the slot.

Unfortunately both have tried and true counters, where as Garchomp just did not, hence the reason it moved to Ubers.

At least with Platinum Salamance gets Outrage as well.

Hmm....Ok thanks I will consider that. I have a mixmence set at the moment....May breed him :)

ChibiVamp September 30th, 2008 7:16 AM

i wanna make a good team with charizard as my main special sweeper. the set up i had in mind is
leftovers
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
>Fire-type attack<
>???<

any suggestions?
the team has to use pokemon and moves available in leaf green without having to trade as i dont think im going to be getting a DS any time soon.

J.M. September 30th, 2008 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3987132)
Hi I know this may seem like a dumb quewstion but I just heard I cant use my garchomp in OU anymore. Is this true? and if it is can anyone suggest an alternative. Thanks :)

Adding to Angelic Diablo's post... Flygon has the same typing as Garchomp as well.

Walrein September 30th, 2008 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.M. (Post 3987698)
Adding to Angelic Diablo's post... Flygon has the same typing as Garchomp as well.

In reverse, yes (it doesn't matter anything battlewise thought). Flygon should be really getting more attention after Garchomp beeing moves to Ubers.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChibiVamp
i wanna make a good team with charizard as my main special sweeper. the set up i had in mind is
leftovers
Earthquake
Dragon Dance
>Fire-type attack<
>???<

any suggestions?
the team has to use pokemon and moves available in leaf green without having to trade as i dont think im going to be getting a DS any time soon.

Special?
~Air Slash
~Dragon Pulse
~Focus Blast
~Flamethrower

Postman September 30th, 2008 8:08 AM

Charizard doesn't learn any of those moves besides Flamethrower.

- Substitute
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- HP Ice/Grass

Walrein September 30th, 2008 8:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Postman (Post 3987796)
Charizard doesn't learn any of those moves besides Flamethrower.

- Substitute
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- HP Ice/Grass

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/006.shtml
Sure, these competitive-addicts know only numbers.

Postman September 30th, 2008 8:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3987799)
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/006.shtml
Sure, these competitive-addicts know only numbers.

Yup, Charizard learns those moves in D/P, but maybe if you took the time to read his post you would of noticed he said "moves available in leaf green".

Walrein September 30th, 2008 8:16 AM

Oh, sorry. So use Dragon Claw insted of the non-existing Dragon Pulse.

FinalPaladin September 30th, 2008 8:35 AM

physicalzard

dragonclaw/outrage(could use dragonrush but meh)
flareblitz
earthquake
focuspunch

Walrein September 30th, 2008 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3987845)
physicalzard

dragonclaw/outrage(could use dragonrush but meh)
flareblitz
earthquake
focuspunch

He said moves available in Leaf Green :X ...

FinalPaladin September 30th, 2008 8:40 AM

i think that i saw that,aint blind.

specialzard
flamethrower
focusblast
dragon pulse
airslash

Postman September 30th, 2008 8:43 AM

Did you not see my post at all, FinalPaladin?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Postman (Post 3987796)
Charizard doesn't learn any of those moves besides Flamethrower.

- Substitute
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- HP Ice/Grass


FinalPaladin September 30th, 2008 8:51 AM

yes as i said,aint blind.
i was wonderin,who is the best starter for competetive battlin and what moveset should be used

El Gofre September 30th, 2008 1:38 PM

A) Improve your grammar please.
B) If there was a single best lead, we'd all be using him. All leads do different things, kill different things and get killed by different things. There is no single best poke at the job.

The Hero Without a Name September 30th, 2008 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3987852)
i think that i saw that,aint blind.

specialzard
flamethrower
focusblast
dragon pulse
airslash

If you aren't blind, then don't act like you are. Of those moves, only Flamethrower existed in Advance, and on the Phys Zard set, only Focus Punch, Earthquake, and Dragon Claw (which was special back then).

Sphere September 30th, 2008 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3987868)
yes as i said,aint blind.
i was wonderin,who is the best starter for competetive battlin and what moveset should be used

Let's take a look at tiers, shall we? Out of the 12 starters, only two are OU: Infernape and Swampert. Infernape is an excellent sweeper and/or lead, while Swampert is an excellent wall. Most people, however, will tell you that Infernape is more useful overall due to his unpredictability and well-balanced offensive stats.

Fake Out/Mach Punch/Fire Blast/Taunt with Focus Sash and Naive nature works for Leadape. Fake Out ruins the Focus Sashes of other common leads like Weavile and Azelf. Mach Punch obliterates Weavile once Focus Sash is gone, and does a good deal to Tyranitar. Fire Blast kills Bronzong and cripples Gengar. Taunt blocks Stealth Rock and/or Hypnosis, but you can use an alternative attacking move like Grass Knot or Close Combat if necessary.

MixApe is probably you best bet in terms of sweeping. Life Orb Naive with Nasty Plot/Grass Knot/Flamethrower/Close Combat owns common stuff like Swampert. Hidden Power [Ice] is an option over Grass Knot if you want to hit Dragons. Fire Blast is an option over Flamethrower to hit spongy Pokemon like Togekiss harder.

crystalvelox September 30th, 2008 7:59 PM

Alright I'm having problems determing the best layout for a scizor for Pt.

Scizor @ Life Orb
Technician; Adamant
252 Atk,
Bullet Punch
Swords Dance

That's about as far as I got. If I added roost and quick attack (252 EV Hp) that would give it the ability to practically sweep every single pokemon on a team OHKO-2HKO that doesn't resist both steel and normal attacks. Namely These do resist my attacks: Lucario, Brozong, Skarmory, Empoleon, Registeel, Forretress, Heatran, Jirachi, magnazone, Metagross, Skarmory and Scizor (lucario I think I could 2HKO as well because of low defences, also Forretress, Skarmory, and Bronzong can't really do much to me except whirlwind me away, put me to sleep or use that as a chance to set up so I could further my attack power with swords dances at that point and actually counter them). If I chose Superpower/Brickbreak over quick attack (252 EV speed or around that would be needed) I could counter those pokemon, but then bulky waters could come in on me and attack me before I could KO them because I would be slower (most likely). X-Scissors (252 EV sp again) I don't see really being any more effective than brickbreak/superpower in pokemon coverage. I did consider using Superpower/BrickBreak, Bullet Punch and Quick attack, Swords Dance all in one. That would allow me to hit everything for neutral damage, but I severely lose out on surviability as swords dance would be very hard to activate.

I also thought of choice band scizors, but I don't think it's nearly as threating as the Dance-Orb kind.

I'm leaning towards the Quick attack, Roost (252 EV Hp) idea because then my counters are at least narrowed to practically only steel types and I could easily come up with a combo pokemon that could easily come into those steel types set up and be threating like Scizor. So I'm asking for some help on deciding.

Sora_8920 October 1st, 2008 3:56 AM

BP is an option. As for the last slot, Night Slash or Superpower could fit in nicely.

Dark Azelf October 1st, 2008 4:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 3990171)
*SNIP*.


[email protected] Orb
232 HP / 252 ATT / 24 DEF
Adamant Nature
Trait : Technician
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Roost / Brick Break
- X-Scissor


Plox =). (IIrc an unboosted Bullet Punch does like 40% to Infernape lol !). Bullet Punch is better anyway imo as you can actually hit Gengar. Brick Break hits steels as you said and hits all of them for at least neutral along with X-Scissor. Speaking of X-Scissor, you NEED it or your stuck with non-powerful moves aka what are you gonna do to cress and Zong ?. Roost is still pretty useful for recovering off LO Recoil and scizor can take a hit anyway. Quick attack still has a time and a place but i find it inferior to BP in all honesty.

So its up to you tbh.



However i found CB Scizor to be WAY more threatening since it doesnt suffer from moveslot syndrome.


[email protected] Band
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait : Technician
- Bullet Punch
- U-Turn
- Super Power
- Pursuit

The power this packs is scary. It basically locks you opponent in deadly mind games aka "Will i Bullet Punch, if you stay in or will i Pursuit if you switch ?" *Looks at Gengar*. Super Power strokes pretty much ANY steel stupid enough to come in. U-Turn is great for scouting and gets STAB, along with a CB its really nasty. Pursuit is a great move too since its nearly as powerful as Tyranitars CB Pursuit thanks to Technician.

FinalPaladin October 1st, 2008 7:51 AM

may I ask,what items should i give my BT team which consists of
starmie,dragonite and metagross
i was thinkin of [email protected] [email protected] and [email protected]
please do not suggest choice items
thanx

El Gofre October 1st, 2008 8:49 AM

It depends entirely on the sets, but focus band should never be used. Post the sets (That way we can help with them too).

FinalPaladin October 1st, 2008 9:00 AM

sorry cant tell you the EVs

metagross
earthquake
meteormash
explosion
bulletpunch

starmie
thunderbolt
icebeam
surf
psychic

dragonite
firepunch
outrage
earthquake
thunderpunch(i forgot dragondance for thunderpunch as dragonite kept getting killed by water types that new icebeam,but i still struggle with swamperts avalanch)

El Gofre October 1st, 2008 9:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3991438)
sorry cant tell you the EVs

metagross@Choice Band/Leftovers
earthquake
meteormash
explosion
bulletpunch
This set really wants a band, but since you won't have them for some reason go lefties- he's pretty bulky

starmie@Life Orb
thunderbolt
icebeam
surf
Grass Knot
Expert belt is pretty meh, this thing doesnt have the most awesome coverage anyway. Grass knot solves your swampert problem, you can switch you know.


dragoniteYache Berry
firepunch
outrage
earthquake
thunderpunch(i forgot dragondance for thunderpunch as dragonite kept getting killed by water types that new icebeam,but i still struggle with swamperts avalanch) Meh
If you don't like ice attacks, slap on a yache. You could go Life Orb, but that would involve giving starmie Specs (Which is preferable anyway). I suppose expert belt could be used at a push.

My opinions in bold. You're really limiting yourself by not allowing choice items, they work very well in BT

FinalPaladin October 1st, 2008 9:13 AM

hey thanx.ok so metagross lefties,starmie lifeorb and i will give dragonite expert belt
who should lead

El Gofre October 1st, 2008 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3991469)
hey thanx.ok so metagross lefties,starmie lifeorb and i will give dragonite expert belt
who should lead

Either of your physical attackers, they do the same thing anyway. In fact having two is kinda redundant, but meh.

FinalPaladin October 1st, 2008 9:22 AM

i have 2 because of blissey,and snorlax abit. do you think that starmie is better than milotic

. October 1st, 2008 9:38 AM

Starmie and Milotic do two entirely different things. And if this is a Baton Pass Chain, I'd reccomend you get a mixed sweeper, since it sort of takes up 2 slots:

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Naughty
252 Att/232 SpA/24 Spe
Crunch
Stone Edge/EQ
Flamethrower
Ice Beam

Best Baton Pass receiver in my opinion. Hits a large amount of types for super effective (and isn't lol walled like Electivire) Does best with an Agility pass, and a +SpA won't hurt (hint, Charge Beam + Agility Zapdos does the trick) And an SD pass would be nice.

However, as for Metagross, I'd strongly reccomend Life Orb. It has a lot of kick, but terrible type coverage (Steel = One of the worst offensive typings) However, since you'll be BPing boosts, it won't matter. Use Meteor Mash/EQ/Bullet Punch (if you're not BPing speed)/Thunderpunch or Explosion.

Then, of course, there's Medicham and Azumarill. I use Azumarill, but Medicham benefits from OHKOing basically everything after a Belly Drum.

FinalPaladin October 1st, 2008 9:45 AM

hey thanx.woohoo i just realized that my dragonite can 2HKO blissey
i agree with you about the steel type.it only hits rock n ice,so does fighting.
thanx again.
oh yeh i now hate ludicolo as drgonite can kill em

4th Gen Matt October 1st, 2008 4:13 PM

Can anybody suggest a good OU Rain Dance team?

Clevink October 1st, 2008 4:13 PM

I'm playing Emerald 386, and I'm in need of a strong flying type Pokemon. I don't want and of the usual OU Poke's, Charizard, Altaria, Salamence, etc. This won't be for competitive battling or anything, just for the normal game play. Preferably an UU/NU and no ubers, please.

The Hero Without a Name October 1st, 2008 4:14 PM

Ingame advice isn't given here, sorry.

. October 1st, 2008 4:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 3992892)
Can anybody suggest a good OU Rain Dance team?

All Rain Dance teams should have a solid, reliable opener. Most teams use Bronzong, but with the sudden surge of suicide leads, Deoxys-e can work wonderfully (although Bronzong makes a very solid opener)

Deoxys-e @ Damp Rock
Timid
252 HP/252 Spe/6 SpA
Rain Dance
Thunder
Taunt
Reflect/Light Screen/Stealth Rock/Recover

Abuse that 100% accuracy of Thunder for that nice paralysis chance.

As for sweepers, Kingdra is usually a safe bet. Which set you'd like to use is entirely up to you; mixed or special. Mixed stops Blissey, but special lets you switch in easier since you aren't using a -Def nature.

Ludicolo is excellent in the rain; a wall, leech seeder, and rain starter in one. It's pretty key.

Gyarados is a staple in most Rain Dance teams; Rest-Talk set is awesome since with Rain Dance boosting Waterfall (your mono attack) it'll dish out more damage than you'd think.

Sphere October 1st, 2008 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 3992892)
Can anybody suggest a good OU Rain Dance team?

I've seen people use Qwilfish suicide leads with something like Rain Dance/Waterfall/Explosion/Poison Jab holding Focus Sash... they Dance then boom, taking out a poke and setting up rain, kind of like suicide Trick Room Explosion Bronzongs.

To avoid being Taunted, though (which ruins the strategy), use the Deoxys-E Vance recommended, since it's the fastest Taunter out there....

Floatzel works in rain by providing some nice physical power, although he's fragile. A lot of Rain teams carry Electivire/Swampert/Garchomp to take Electric attacks.

Gorebyss and Omastar are rarely seen but deserve a mention since they have some of the highest Special Attack stats of Water-types, and are only beaten by Clamperl iirc.

As a general rule you should always have at least two Dancers - this holds particularly true in OU, where Sandstream is rampant. You could probably fit Rain Dance easily on Kingdra and Ludicolo.

And always remember that Rain teams and non-Rain teams aren't mutually exclusive; that is, not ALL of your Pokemon have to benefit from the Rain. For example, you might keep a MixApe for late-game sweeping after your Rain strategy has weakened the opponent.

I hope I helped! ^_^

4th Gen Matt October 1st, 2008 6:00 PM

All great strategies. Thanks.

Is there any Pokemon that makes it rain upon entering (not Heavy Rain.)

ABYAY October 1st, 2008 6:29 PM

Nope; there are no Pokemon that do that. Only Kyogre can bring Rain, and Groudon brings the sun until the weather is changed. I personally think that they should get some non-Uber Drizzlers and Droughters out there in the next generation (if one)

The Hero Without a Name October 1st, 2008 6:38 PM

I always thought one of the reasons Kyogre and Groudon were in Ubers (besides colossal stats) was because of all the Pokemon able to abuse the sun and the rain (more than Hail and maybe Sandstorm, I'd presume)

devilicious October 2nd, 2008 1:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3993283)
Nope; there are no Pokemon that do that. Only Kyogre can bring Rain, and Groudon brings the sun until the weather is changed. I personally think that they should get some non-Uber Drizzlers and Droughters out there in the next generation (if one)

The metagame would be -really- centralized at Sun and Rain teams, so I really hope they do not.

FinalPaladin October 2nd, 2008 9:45 AM

hey can i have a set for salamence ang gengar please
would gengar make a good replacement for my metagross with these

gengar
energyball
focusblast
shadowball
sludgebomb

should i switch dragonite with mence

El Gofre October 2nd, 2008 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3993715)
The metagame would be -really- centralized at Sun and Rain teams, so I really hope they do not.

Why would it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3994355)
hey can i have a set for salamence ang gengar please
would gengar make a good replacement for my metagross with these
Having two special sweepers over two physical ones still leaves you with a redundant slot.

gengar
Thunderbolt
focusblast
shadowball
Hypnosis



should i switch dragonite with mence
Depends, as mentioned below.



Comments in bold. Whether you should use mence or not is down to how you wanna use him. If you're keeping metagross over gengar, then a mixMence balances the trio out nicely: One physical attacker, one special, one mixed. That's what I'd recommend. Having both gengar and starmie is pretty pointless, so a CB mence could be used to make up for the lack of physical attackers, of if you have acess to platinum you can get DD+Outrage on him/.

FinalPaladin October 2nd, 2008 10:25 AM

thanx alot
ill keep gross and forget gar

heres mence
[email protected]
mild/rash
120atk/252spt/136spd
crunch
dracometeor
fireblast
brickbreak

clever ehh

megamixedmence

El Gofre October 2nd, 2008 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3994428)
thanx alot
ill keep gross and forget gar

heres mence
[email protected]
mild/rash
120atk/252spt/136spd
crunch
dracometeor
fireblast
brickbreak

clever ehh

megamixedmence


Clever in that you've just robbed the standard...

Kittyipawd October 2nd, 2008 2:18 PM

I would like a porygon 2 lead please.

Destrozone October 2nd, 2008 2:19 PM

Misdreavus
dark pulse
shadow ball
hypnosis
dream eater

The Hero Without a Name October 2nd, 2008 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destrozone (Post 3994991)
Misdreavus
dark pulse
shadow ball
hypnosis
dream eater

Sorry, but that's a horrible set. Not only do Darks/Steels wall it completely, but Dream Eater is too situational; your opponent could easily switch out a sleeping Pokemon, while you use Dream Eater, pretty much wasting your turn and giving a free switch to whatever comes in next. Not to mention, Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse has pretty redundant coverage.

Zurich October 2nd, 2008 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cascoon is EPIC (Post 3994987)
I would like a porygon 2 lead please.

Porygon [email protected] leftovers/lum berry
Trace
Modest
240 HP/164 Def/12 Sp.Atk/92 Sp.Def
-Ice beam
-Discharge
-Magic coat/t-wave
-Recover

I recommend t-wave cause its really helpful for lowering speed of faster pokemons (besides, your 60 base speed is crap). But magic coat is useful too, sending statuses back to your opponent.
I also think lum berry is better than lefties, cause you already got recover to regain health and lum berry gets rid of unwanted status.

Sphere October 2nd, 2008 6:05 PM

^ Bold works better in my experience. Also you'll want Lefties since Magic Coat deals with status, bouncing back Will-O-Wisp and T-Wave and what have you. Unfortunately it doesn't help with secondary status but if you get that then you're just unlucky.

The Hero Without a Name October 2nd, 2008 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3994938)
Clever in that you've just robbed the standard...

Even more apparent by the fact that that's the ONLY time he's ever posted an EV spread.

FinalPaladin October 3rd, 2008 10:18 AM

yyyyyeeeeeeeehhhhhhh.
i know this is probably rubbish but these are the moves that i give porygon2/Z

porygon-Z/[email protected]
modest
252spA/252spe/6HP
psychic
darkpulse/shadowball
triattack
nastyplot

the EVs might be wrong but,i use the set and it is sweepable

devilicious October 3rd, 2008 10:22 AM

Porygon2 doesn't get Nasty Plot though, so I don't know what you're going on about.

Oh yeah and the fact that P-Z has crap base speed stops a NP Set from being truly devastating. Not to mention Psychic offers horrid coverage, and should be changed to Hidden Power [Fighting] (but since it's for ingame most likely, nothing I said here really matters).

FinalPaladin October 3rd, 2008 10:25 AM

oh yeh just realized whoops.i use psychic just to kill fighting types

. October 3rd, 2008 11:38 AM

Okay, so I'm making a new team

Alakazam @ Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
HP Electric/Ice

I'm using this lead currently, but not being able to boltbeam hurts, which is why I'm thinking on scrapping it for Deoxys-e (it does what Zam does basically) However, with D-E, I lose a lot of coverage against the likes of foe Suicide D-E's, since my D-E set currently lacks Shadow Ball. Who should I use?

devilicious October 3rd, 2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3997573)
oh yeh just realized whoops.i use psychic just to kill fighting types

An Adaptability STAB Tri Attack still does more damage than Psychic to every Fighting-type, except for Lucario and Toxicroak.

4th Gen Matt October 3rd, 2008 2:41 PM

Can someone give me a good moveset/EV's for a Deoxys-S in my Rain Dance team?

He is my starter so he has Rain Dance for his first move and Damp Rock for an item.

devilicious October 3rd, 2008 2:50 PM

Deoxys-S @ Damp Rock
Timid Nature
252 HP / 252 Speed / 6 Sp. Atk
- Rain Dance
- Taunt
- Thunder
- Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Reflect / Spikes / Recover

Dark Azelf October 3rd, 2008 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 3998387)
Can someone give me a good moveset/EV's for a Deoxys-S in my Rain Dance team?

He is my starter so he has Rain Dance for his first move and Damp Rock for an item.

I use this on my rain dance team

[email protected] Rock
252 HP / 252 SPEED / 6 SP.ATT
Timid Nature
- Taunt
- Rain Dance
- Stealth Rock
- Filler

Last move you can shove in a screen like reflect or light screen, an attack move or even recover.

EDIT : -

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BEATEN BY DEVI >:<

Angelic Diablo October 3rd, 2008 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destrozone (Post 3994991)
Misdreavus
dark pulse
shadow ball
hypnosis
dream eater

I'm sorry... but what?

[email protected]
Timid Nature
EVs: 108 HP, 164 Sp Atk, 236 Spd
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Fighting
-Substitute
-Calm Mind

The HP EVs stop Blissey from breaking your subs with Ice Beam/Flamethrower while you CM up, Shadow Ball + HP Fight hits everything neutrally.

Seriously this thing is a hugely underrated threat.

4th Gen Matt October 3rd, 2008 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3998406)
Deoxys-S @ Damp Rock
Timid Nature
252 HP / 252 Speed / 6 Sp. Atk
- Rain Dance
- Taunt
- Thunder
- Stealth Rock / Light Screen / Reflect / Spikes / Recover

Thanks a bunch.

What would you suggest for the last move?

devilicious October 3rd, 2008 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 3998780)
Thanks a bunch.

What would you suggest for the last move?

That depends on your team. SR if you have nothing else to get that in, or Reflect if Pursuit is giving you too much trouble and you want your sweepers in more easily. It really depends.

LethalTexture October 4th, 2008 12:56 AM

Does Deoxys get the elemental punches in Platinum? If so, what's the standard Physical set?:

Deoxys-E @ Life orb
Hasty/Naive Nature
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/6 SAtk
- Psycho Boost
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
- Brick Break

Something like that?

I also need a spread for an Adamant Outrage/DD Salamence.


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