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. October 4th, 2008 1:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 4000175)
Does Deoxys get the elemental punches in Platinum? If so, what's the standard Physical set?:

Deoxys-E @ Life orb
Hasty/Naive Nature
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/6 SAtk
- Psycho Boost
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
- Brick Break

Something like that?

I also need a spread for an Adamant Outrage/DD Salamence.

Salamence @ Life Orb
Adamant
120 HP/252 Att/136 Spe
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Outrage
Fire Fang/Fire Blast/Stone Edge

FinalPaladin October 4th, 2008 2:56 AM

hi i need a set for mewtwo

i thought these moves
shadowball
psychic
focusblast
energyball

similar to ZAMs sets.sorry dunno EVs

Supreme Dirt October 4th, 2008 5:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4000320)
hi i need a set for mewtwo

i thought these moves
shadowball
psychic
focusblast
energyball

similar to ZAMs sets.sorry dunno EVs

Using Psychic in ubers is the equivalent of using tackle in OU.
No Psychic moves that aren't Psycho Boost.

Use this Mewtwo:
[email protected] Specs
Modest
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Aura Sphere
Thunder
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

FinalPaladin October 4th, 2008 5:48 AM

sorry i dont use choice items.oh yeh my salamence is so ultra.but most special attacks that have normal effect or super or ultra take a chumk of flesh out or they take his life out.but hes speedy so most enemys are killed before they kill.just to say i was thinkin of a team and they are in my sig.can i have sets for em.pleas,pwetty pweese

Kittyipawd October 4th, 2008 6:06 AM

Is there a riable bulk up passer? if so can anyone give me the set?

FinalPaladin October 4th, 2008 6:19 AM

yes ther is.its blaziken

[email protected]/focus sash
blaze
atk252,def252,spe6 (only use these for batton passer)
flareblitz/firepunch/brickbreak/sub
bulk up
nightslash/bravebird/sub (preferably night slash over bravebird)
batton pass

i will try this set out for myself.i recon that it will work well

4th Gen Matt October 4th, 2008 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3998874)
That depends on your team. SR if you have nothing else to get that in, or Reflect if Pursuit is giving you too much trouble and you want your sweepers in more easily. It really depends.

I think I am between SR and Recover. What would you suggest?

And how would I use Deoxys-S in a battle?

Taunt then Rain Dance?

Kittyipawd October 4th, 2008 6:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 4000792)
I think I am between SR and Recover. What would you suggest.

And what would I do in a battle. And how would I use Deoxys-S in a battle?

Taunt then Rain Dance?

Depends on the pokemon you would use tuant on bronzong and things that try to SR or setup

Dark Azelf October 4th, 2008 6:33 AM

@Cascoon is EPIC


Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4000766)
yes ther is.its blaziken

[email protected]/focus sash
blaze
atk252,def252,spe6 (only use these for batton passer)
flareblitz/firepunch/brickbreak/sub
bulk up
nightslash/bravebird/sub (preferably night slash over bravebird)
batton pass

i will try this set out for myself.i recon that it will work well


Either a version of the above (with max att / max speed @Jolly) or Kristy Flaotzel works : -

[email protected]
40 HP / 252 DEF / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Baton Pass
- Bulk Up
- Waterfall.

Taunt, Bulk Up and Baton pass are game changing moves. In addition this set is fun as hell to use =).

DarkTyphlosion157 October 4th, 2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4000766)
yes ther is.its blaziken

[email protected]/focus sash
blaze
atk252,def252,spe6 (only use these for batton passer)
flareblitz/firepunch/brickbreak/sub
bulk up
nightslash/bravebird/sub (preferably night slash over bravebird)
batton pass

i will try this set out for myself.i recon that it will work well

Blaziken w. Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 HP/136 Atk/6 Spd/116 SpDef
Adamant Nature
Bulk Up
Baton Pass
Substitute
Fire Punch/Sky Uppercut.

Though Floatzel is the better choice.

Archer October 4th, 2008 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Gen Matt (Post 4000792)
I think I am between SR and Recover. What would you suggest?

And how would I use Deoxys-S in a battle?

Taunt then Rain Dance?

Lead Deoxys should run SR over Recover in my opinion. It doesn't do much in stalling, except wasting turns of Reflect/Light Screen.

. October 4th, 2008 11:15 PM

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/490.png
Heatran @ Choice Band
Adamant
42 HP/252 Att/216 Spe
Earthquake
Iron Head/Stone Edge
Fire Fang
Explosion

CB Tran may seem gimmicky, but it actually can hurt quite a few things:

CB Iron Head vs. 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 76.24%-90.59%
CB Iron Head vs. 252 HP/0 Def Snorlax: 45.23%-53.44%
CB Iron Head vs. 0 HP/252 Def Blissey: 50.84%-60.06%

CB Stone Edge vs. 0 HP/0 Def Gyarados: 68.07%-80.72%

CB Explosion vs. 252 HP/252 Def Blissey: 105.99%-124.73%
CB Explosion vs. 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 39.60%46.78%(Yuck)

irmck October 5th, 2008 12:48 AM

Hi, I still play gold, (I found it in a box somewhere and had a pretty good game on it)
and was wondering if anyone could make me a team :)

My highest level pokemon is 81.
Typhlosion
Earthquake
Flame Thrower
Sunny day
Thunderpunch.

Thanks people!

FinalPaladin October 5th, 2008 2:07 AM

oh hi,typhlosions looking good
heres howw you post a set

[email protected]
nature
EV spread
move 1
move 2
move 3
move 4

for a physical sweeper give typhlosion fire punch(if you can) or if not you could use flamewheel or fire blast,but flamethrower is good

irmck October 5th, 2008 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4004722)
oh hi,typhlosions looking good


for a physical sweeper give typhlosion fire punch(if you can) or if not you could use flamewheel or fire blast,but flamethrower is good

Thanks, I got that set off Pokemon of the Day Chick and it's pretty good.

I beat Red alone and only took 1 Phsycic from his Espeon :)

EDIT: How d'you get Fire Blast on Typhlosion?

FinalPaladin October 5th, 2008 2:25 AM

you get it from TM. oh yeh you maybe cant get the TM fireblast on the game your playing.if you need help for anouther poke just ask me

Archer October 5th, 2008 5:03 AM

FinalPaladin, irmck requested a GSC Set, so Fire Punch is Special. And GSC didn't have natures or EVs. Earthquake and Rock Slide hit everything in that gen for neutral, so work around that.

El Gofre October 5th, 2008 5:16 AM

According to smogon, the standard GSC typhlosion was:
[email protected]/Mint berry (Cures sleep)
Fire Blast
Thunderpunch
Earthquake
Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass / Rest

Ther's also a restTalk variant, with lefties as item. It runs Rest on the final slot and Sleep talk over thunderpunch or earthquake (WHichever you deem less useful).

Dark Azelf October 5th, 2008 5:21 AM

IIRC the standard for G/S/C Typhlosion was mixed sweeper...


[email protected]
- Thunderpunch
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Grass / Hidden power Ice

HP Grass hits Rhydon and Golem whilst HP ice wrecks Dragonite.

You can use DynamicPunch to hit blissey, snorlax and umbreon harder>>EQ, but its not recommended due to shaky accuracy.


Alternately


[email protected]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Fire Blast
- Thunderpunch / Hidden power [Grass/Ice] / Earthquake

Obligatory rest talk set. Tyhphlosion makes a cool rest talker, but then again everything does in G/S/C lol


[email protected]
- Curse
- Roar / Rest
- Earthquake / Return
- Fire Blast

Roar stops foe Phazers (Since in G/S/C the faster Phazer attempt to Phaze fails so with a few curses you will by Phazing first) Rest allows him to stick around longer.

This usually wont work, but ive seen it used in lower tier battles. Reason it wont work ? Suicune and bulky waters, Golem, Rhydon etc. Basically the metagame walls you lol. So your better sticking to one of the above sets in higher tier battles and not this one.

FinalPaladin October 5th, 2008 5:23 AM

good point.
can someone give me some ideas for my bt team
i need a good fast physical sweeper to replace my metagross.
cus metagross is slow he gets killed all the time.please help
it needs to go well with my starmie and mence

Detox October 5th, 2008 8:19 AM

is this a good hitmonlee? ive been doing some experimenting with it.....

hitmonlee,jolly
life orb/expert belt
126 Atk, 126 SpD, 252 Speed, 6 Def

Blaze kick
EQ
Bullet punch
Hi Jump kick/rock slide

FinalPaladin October 5th, 2008 9:37 AM

give him
blazekick
closecombat/brickbreak/hi-jumpkick
earthquake
stoneedge

Detox October 5th, 2008 9:43 AM

Hitmonlee already has a crappy physical def,i dont want it going any lower because of CC.ill stick with rock slide too,i dont like stone edges accuracy....

FinalPaladin October 5th, 2008 9:55 AM

yeeeeehhhhh but closecombat will kill the enemy before they can kill you.
and if his defenses are really low it doesnot matter if it lowers.
oh yeh stoneedge hits so much harder than anything else.
can togekiss be used as a mixed sweeper

. October 5th, 2008 9:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4005827)
Hitmonlee already has a crappy physical def,i dont want it going any lower because of CC.ill stick with rock slide too,i dont like stone edges accuracy....

WHY does everyone think Hitmonlee will be using his Def? His SpD is quite good, but no one uses that. Use Close Combat, or else Hitmonlee just completely sucks:

Hitmonlee @ Choice Band/Life Orb
Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Close Combat
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Mach Punch/Sucker Punch (only in Platinum)

Detox October 5th, 2008 9:58 AM

Hmmm....maybe because any scizor + bullet punch would otherwise kill it without any EVs in defense?

And i am using his special des,otherwise he wouldt be EV'd in special defense.

. October 5th, 2008 10:04 AM

What kind of pathetic argument IS that? Living a Bullet Punch from Scizor, only to do nothing back (bar Blaze Kick, which sucks) is not impressive. Hitmonlee is a hit-and-run Pokemon. It's not supposed to tank hits and keep sweeping. Max Att/Max Spe please.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! October 5th, 2008 11:42 AM

I'm trying to make a good team using Ludicolo,Crobat,& Arcanine.Those are my favorite pokemon =)
I'm tired of those cliched OU teams.No Blissey,no Tyranitar.

Anything I can add to the 3 I already have?Movesets for the ones I listed would be appreciated...
(I was thinking Umbreon or Machamp?IDK)

Detox October 5th, 2008 11:56 AM

I need a good set for a magby. thats right. magby.

El Gofre October 5th, 2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4006356)
I need a good set for a magby. thats right. magby.

Little cup I presume?

You're better joing and asking in smogon's forum for that, very few people here have a knowledge of how little cup works.

Btw Vance is correct on everything said about hitmonlee.

Detox October 5th, 2008 12:26 PM

Im actually using him for a NFE team i was thinking about......i came up with something like this.

magby @ life orb
252 atk 252 spd 6 sp. def

substitute/protect
focus punch/brick break/cross chop
flare blitz/fire punch
?undecided?

i refuse to go to smogons forums,the people there are all stuck up jerks.

El Gofre October 5th, 2008 12:42 PM

You do realise that magmar is also NFE and not UU/NU? Or does it have to be base form?

Anyway, magby's defences are too low, flare blitz's recoil will tear you apart very quickly. Go fire punch. Likewise subs off that thing will be abysmal, not really worth using. Protect is also a waste of a move slot, since magby's not really a scout. I used a CB Magmortar which was reasonably effective, so you could try that:

[email protected]/Life Orb (Whichever floats your boat, although as before recoil is not gonna be kind)
Jolly
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Fire Punch
Brick Break/Cross Chop
Thunder Punch (Via Platinum Move Tutor)
Mach Punch

Detox October 5th, 2008 2:36 PM

Yeah,its gotta be babies(magby,elkid,pichu etc.) thanks,ill test it asap.

hmmmm.....what would you suggest for a elekid?

. October 5th, 2008 4:21 PM

I want to try out a mixed Electabuzz set for NU. Would this work?

Electabuzz @ Life Orb
Hasty
(????????)
Thunderbolt
Cross Chop
HP Grass
Ice Punch

Hits almost everything for neutral in UU, and notable hits things like Claydol, Quagsire, Gastrodon, etc... for super effective. Buzz also has a decent Base 105 Speed.

Skip Shot October 5th, 2008 6:28 PM

I actually kind of like this set. since you have an even balance here, I would go for more spa evs than atk evs to hit bulky waters harder (aka Quagsire and such) Consider T-Punch>>T-bolt for Mantine as well.

Detox October 5th, 2008 6:55 PM

I got bored and randomly thought of ways to make garchomp better. would this work?

Garchomp @ liife orb
timid/jolly

120 atk 132 sp. atk 252 spd. 6 sp. def

fire fang/fire blast
earthquake
draco meteor/dragon claw
swords dance/dragon dance

it might sound retarded,but ive tried it,and its an absolute beast.

luke October 5th, 2008 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4007693)
I got bored and randomly thought of ways to make garchomp better. would this work?

Garchomp @ liife orb
timid/jolly

120 atk 132 sp. atk 252 spd. 6 sp. def

fire fang/fire blast
earthquake
draco meteor/dragon claw
swords dance/dragon dance

it might sound retarded,but ive tried it,and its an absolute beast.

Unforunately, Garchomp is banned because it's uber and it doesn't get Dragon Dance.

DonRoyale October 6th, 2008 9:52 AM

I was wondering, on the premise of Platinum's metagame, what is a decent Blissey set? I've been looking at Smogon's sets and am disappointed in general with them. However, if needbe, I'll take one of them up.

Dark Azelf October 6th, 2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonRoyale (Post 4008860)
I was wondering, on the premise of Platinum's metagame, what is a decent Blissey set? I've been looking at Smogon's sets and am disappointed in general with them. However, if needbe, I'll take one of them up.

Yes they are disappointing, since they contain no Seismic Toss. Which is sad as it looses to the metagame. I dont get why they changed it since it was fine before, all that needed changing where the outdated bold natures.


[email protected]
252 DEF / 176 SP.DEF / 80 SP.ATT
Calm nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Thunderwave / Toxic


Toxic works best on stall teams. However Thunderwave is better otherwise. You can use Aromatherapy in either the first or last slots, but that generally sucks (As it wastes a turn and will become set up fodder when you can just use a rest talker for status =/).

Flamethrower hits Lucario, Heracross, Metagross and of course Scizor etc switch ins, whilst Ice Beam is still useful for namely being 4x super effective on Skymin and Salamence.


[email protected]
252 DEF / 216 sp.def / 40 hp
Calm nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Thunderwave / Toxic / Flamethrower / Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Wish
- Softboiled / Protect

Wish Bliss is useful for team support. First slot is basically "pick your poison" based on what you want to her to do and hit. However, you must be careful of sub gar if you lack a special attack (who often carries Focus Punch). Softboiled is for instant healing because Blissey often finds herself after Wishing in a predicament, a physical threat will come in and try to set up on her, she then MUST Protect to heal herself (to activate said Wish) which = free dragon dance or whatever, or switch and go through the entire match without being able to heal herself. However Protect is still useful for scouting and saving her from powerful CB Pursuits. So its up to you.


If you use a sp.att, use the same ev spread as the first set.


Seismic Toss is Blisseys best change of raking up damage (Especially with SR/T-Spikes or Spikes) so its a prime option. And so it doesnt become fodder for these Calm Mind + Sub pokemon and things like Sub Torrent Petaya Empoleon.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 6th, 2008 11:55 AM

Smogon's sets suck

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def, 176 SpDef, 76 SpAtk, 4 Spd
Calm Nature
Ice Beam
Thunder Wave
Softboiled
and any other move that Blissey is good with. Such as Seismic Toss.

should do.

Metagross @ Choice Specs
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 SpAtk, baw, how much is it to beat Magnezone again?
Modest Nature
Flash Cannon
Grass Knot
HP Fire
Shadow Ball

Yeah.

Detox October 6th, 2008 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britney Spears (Post 4007816)
Unforunately, Garchomp is banned because it's uber and it doesn't get Dragon Dance.

Oh yeah,i was thinking of tyranitar when i typed that...btw,some people do allow chomp.

sims796 October 6th, 2008 1:23 PM

And some people allow Wobbuffet. We don't work with exceptions, we work with what's allowed.

Goldenhammerhead October 6th, 2008 1:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4009467)
And some people allow Wobbuffet. We don't work with exceptions, we work with what's allowed.

Amen. Besides anyone who allows Garchomp probably only does so to abuse his power.

Detox October 6th, 2008 3:02 PM

Not trying to start a war,and i dont want an infraction,but chomp isnt so hard to kill....

btw,i need a set for a shaymin. it has to have earth power.

Lunar Fang October 6th, 2008 3:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4009744)
Not trying to start a war,and i dont want an infraction,but chomp isnt so hard to kill....

btw,i need a set for a shaymin. it has to have earth power.

Chomp will usually cost you a poke or two before taking it down, but yeah it's easy to kill with with 1 ice beams, then a revenge kill.

I'll assume you mean skymin since that's the only way it'll ever use earth power.

[email protected]/LO
Timid ll Serene Grace
252 Speed/252 Sp. Atk
-Air Slash
-Seed Flare
-Earth Power
-Substitute/ Hp [Ice]

I hope that helps.

Zurich October 6th, 2008 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4009837)
Chomp will usually cost you a poke or two before taking it down, but yeah it's easy to kill with with 1 ice beams, then a revenge kill.

I'll assume you mean skymin since that's the only way it'll ever use earth power.

[email protected]/LO
Timid ll Serene Grace
252 Speed/252 Sp. Atk
-Air Slash
-Seed Flare
-Earth Power
-Substitute/ Hp [Ice]

I hope that helps.

Actually shaymin land form can learn earthpower, from move tutor in platinum.

Lunar Fang October 6th, 2008 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 4009899)
Actually shaymin land form can learn earthpower, from move tutor in platinum.

Yeah, my mistake. I can't say I'm completely knowledgeable on all the new platinum changes...yet. >_>
Nonetheless, it's a viable set.

sims796 October 6th, 2008 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4009837)
Chomp will usually cost you a poke or two before taking it down, but yeah it's easy to kill with with 1 ice beams, then a revenge kill.

I'll assume you mean skymin since that's the only way it'll ever use earth power.

[email protected]/LO
Timid ll Serene Grace
252 Speed/252 Sp. Atk
-Air Slash
-Seed Flare
-Earth Power
-Substitute/ Hp [Ice]

I hope that helps.

If it takes out a poke or two, that means it ISN"T easy to beat. Especially if you need to rely on revenge killing.

If you're gonna use HP ICE, Specs becomes an option.

Lunar Fang October 6th, 2008 4:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4010045)
If it takes out a poke or two, that means it ISN"T easy to beat. Especially if you need to rely on revenge killing.

If you're gonna use HP ICE, Specs becomes an option.

My bad, I guess it wasn't easy enough for you to detect my sarcasm = [. Usually I'd assume that of an open contradiction.
Also, if you want to slap specs on it go ahead, he didn't ask for a specific set.

sims796 October 6th, 2008 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4010104)
My bad, I guess it wasn't easy enough for you to detect my sarcasm = [. Usually I'd assume that of an open contradiction.
Also, if you want to slap specs on it go ahead, he didn't ask for a specific set.

It would be, if that wasn't the common argument for Chomp being in OU. Only sarcasm if you make it obvious, and not what the popular believe is. That backfires.

Lunar Fang October 6th, 2008 5:10 PM

That's subjective, you could be the only that didn't perceive it as obvious. Anyway, I don't feel like getting off topic for nonsense. At least now you know.

sims796 October 6th, 2008 5:17 PM

Just look up the common debate argument pro Chomp, it isn't just my perspective, it's a reason for keeping him, flawed it may be. Next time, leave sarcasm out the door to avoid these situations.

. October 6th, 2008 5:24 PM

I personally find sweeper Skymin overrated. SubSeed is easily its most terrifying set:

Skymin @ Leftovers
252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP
Air Slash
Earth Power/Seed Flare
Substitute
Leech Seed

Lunar Fang October 6th, 2008 5:24 PM

I wouldn't call that an argument, that's ignorance. Also sarcasm is an effective way to get a point across, sorry if you don't like it. I promise I'll make it more obvious for you next time. *Last off topic post* Anyway, I'm gone for the night.

sims796 October 6th, 2008 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4010185)
I wouldn't call that an argument, that's ignorance. Also sarcasm is an effective way to get a point across, sorry if you don't like it. I promise I'll make it more obvious for you next time. *Last off topic post* Anyway, I'm gone for the night.

Call it what you want, it is the most used argument, making your sarcastic point even less clear. Second, sarcasm may be a good way to get a point across, but it's useless if you can't even show that your using sarcasm. And as they all say, sarcasm is lost on the internet. So make sure you know the most popular goings, otherwise, it'll sound like you're vouching for that "ignorant" point, which was more clear than the sarcasm. It easily seemed like you thought that revenge killing was the easiest way of beating Chomp, which was said about seven times in the debate thread, which you missed.


Now, Subseed Skymin is alright, but it doesn't pack enough damage the way Specs/LO does. I don't see it as the best.

LethalTexture October 6th, 2008 10:33 PM

How many Speed EVs does the standard DD Kingdra have in Platinum anyone?

Sexycheese October 7th, 2008 12:27 AM

Hi I was just wondering Just for the sake of novelty what set would be viable for a vileplume in OU battleing, Im stuck. Thanks a lot :)

Captain Nick October 7th, 2008 1:02 AM

Well, I dont have too much experience with vileplume. After a quick look i think a bulky swords dance vileplume for platinum could be feesable.

Vileplume @ Impish @ Chlorophyll @ Black Sludge

-Sleep Powder
-Substitute/Synthesis
-Swords Dance
-Seed Bomb

EVs: HP-182 Def-192 SpD-136

This version is more of a physical attacker/staller. It would probably function better mid to late game. Sleep powder, then setup accordingly. It kinda gets walled by a lot of types so make sure the opposition is pretty cleared out to try and finish up with him. Good for a bulky sleeper. (Mainly for a "wtf? swords-plume" but could be useful).

Or for D/P i would probably come up with something like:

Vileplume @ Calm @ Chlorophyll @ Black Sludge

-Stun Spore
-Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb
-HP-Rock/Synthesis
-Aromatherapy

EVs: HP-134 Def-188 SpD-188

This is more of a team supporter. EVs are geared for a Spec Def bias. Stun Spore helps slow down the opponent. Energy Ball or Sludge Bomb for some decent STAB damage. HP-Rock covers 3/4 of vileplumes weaknesses and is over-all decent for the pokemon he will be seeing, Synthesis keeps Vileplume in the battle to continue tanking. Aromatherapy for team support aswell as keeping Vileplume clear of status.

Hope this is somewhat helpful. I'm mainly a UU battler so I don't know the main threats in current OU but these sets seem useful to some extent imo.

Sexycheese October 7th, 2008 1:04 AM

Thanks for the advice, I only have D/p >.<

Detox October 7th, 2008 3:16 AM

Ummm...yeah,i still need a set for shaymin land forme,centered aroud earth power....

Sexycheese October 7th, 2008 4:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4011166)
Ummm...yeah,i still need a set for shaymin land forme,centered aroud earth power....

Umm...Lets see......
I have no idea ....

Choice Specs
Modest Nature (Maximise speed and spdef, Dump rest in Hp)

Seed Flare
Psychic
Hidden Power Fire
Grass Knot/Hyper Beam

I think a sweeper is the best your going to get, From what I see D/P shaymin is inferior in almost every way to celibie and it does not learn Earth power . It may on Platinum I do not know so this is all I can say about it sorry. But anyway Grass knot is a secondary grass attack, hyperbeam is listed but not reccomended due to recargeing. Its there because Shaymin is short on power.

sims796 October 7th, 2008 5:03 AM

Great. More people giving out Vileplume advice.

[email protected] Sludge/Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Sleep Powder/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Aromatherapy/Substitute
Sludge Bomb/Energy Ball
EV:244 HP, 148 Sp.Def, 118 Def

The supporter, status set, very useful. This is the set that I use in OU. With Stun Spore, Leech Seed, & Substitute, it could run the Subseed route.

Nick's set was pretty good, I might add, but it has a major lack in Plume expertise. I happen to be an expert on this subject.

http://meaningfuldistractions.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/bill-nye.jpg

EDIT: Wait, I take that back. Ttar makes Synthesis useless, and HP Rock isn't the most important move for him -he doesn't care about coverage if he isn't fully offensive.

Sexycheese October 7th, 2008 5:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4011269)
Great. More people giving out Vileplume advice.

[email protected] Sludge/Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Sleep Powder/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Aromatherapy/Substitute
Sludge Bomb/Energy Ball
EV:244 HP, 148 Sp.Def, 118 Def

The supporter, status set, very useful. This is the set that I use in OU. With Stun Spore, Leech Seed, & Substitute, it could run the Subseed route.

Thanks for the advice. I see I am not the only Vileplume fan :)

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4011166)
Ummm...yeah,i still need a set for shaymin land forme,centered aroud earth power....




[email protected] Specs
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest / Timid Nature
- Earth power
- Seed Flare
- Hidden power Fire / Hidden power Ice
- Psychic

sims796 October 7th, 2008 6:45 AM

Of course, using that set infects you with teh phail, so be careful. Skymi is the way to go, but I suppose this is wifi.

El Gofre October 7th, 2008 6:52 AM

On the subject of land shaymin, is a tank set at all viable?

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 4011447)
On the subject of land shaymin, is a tank set at all viable?

Leech Seed or Grass Whistle or HP Fire/Rest/Aroma/Seed Flare max hp / max def @bold is pretty much it.

Sub Seeding is done better by Skymin and so is sweeping poor thing, so meh...

irmck October 7th, 2008 7:42 AM

Moves Sets
 
Now that I am happy with my Typhlosion I was wondering about Pidgeot and Dragonite (GSC) :) My Dragonite atm is:
Blizzard
ThunderPunch
FirePunch
Return (He loves me :D)

And pidgeot
Fly
Mirror Move
Wing Attack
Mud Slap

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 7:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irmck (Post 4011525)
Now that I am happy with my Typhlosion I was wondering about Pidgeot and Dragonite (GSC) :) My Dragonite atm is:
Blizzard
ThunderPunch
FirePunch
Return (He loves me :D)

And pidgeot
Fly
Mirror Move
Wing Attack
Mud Slap


For Pidgeot Return >> Fly and Toxic or HP Ground >> Mud Slap @Leftovers.

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- Surf / Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Fighting / Dynamicpunch
- Wing Attack / Thunder Wave

Fire Blast can fit on here too if you want or Hidden power Ground for Raikou.

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- Rest / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Haze
- Double-Edge / Body Slam
- Reflect / Light Screen

Works too.

FinalPaladin October 7th, 2008 7:55 AM

should i replace tuaros for my BT metagross withthis set

[email protected]??????
intimidate
atk252/spd252/hp6
earthquake
stoneedge
zenheadbutt
return

please help.thanx

Captain Nick October 7th, 2008 9:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4011269)
[email protected] Sludge/Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Sleep Powder/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Leech Seed
Stun Spore/Aromatherapy/Substitute
Sludge Bomb/Energy Ball
EV:244 HP, 148 Sp.Def, 118 Def


EDIT: Wait, I take that back. Ttar makes Synthesis useless, and HP Rock isn't the most important move for him -he doesn't care about coverage if he isn't fully offensive.

Yeah, i forgot about the forever sandstorm pokemon (I made the movesets at like 2 am =P). I was looking for Leech Seed in Vileplume's movepool and I didn't see it. I guess its an emerald move tutor thing. Otherwise I would have said that over Synthesis.

Sim's moveset for Vileplume seems rather Taunt weak and it would suck to be setting up a sub when a taunting Gyarados/Crobat/etc comes in. Granted you can switch but it wastes a lot of setup. Thats why I was recommending HP-Rock, it covers several pokemon that will try to wall Vileplume aswell as cover his type disadvantages. Ttar does make HP-rock kind pointless but that is what STAB Energy Ball is for.

Vileplume @ Calm @ Chlorophyll @ Black Sludge

-Stun Spore
-Energy Ball
-HP-Rock/Leech Seed
-Aromatherapy

EVs: HP-134 Def-188 SpD-188

I think this moveset will suprise a lot of people who aren't expecting Vileplume to stay in when it seems walled. HP-Rock allows for better dexterity in combat, leaving it capable in the face of Taunt. Leech Seed has a pretty obvious reason behind it.

FinalPaladin October 7th, 2008 9:26 AM

hey captain nick.can you give me a fast physical sweeper will my tauros set be good for the battle tower

sims796 October 7th, 2008 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Nick (Post 4011664)
Yeah, i forgot about the forever sandstorm pokemon (I made the movesets at like 2 am =P). I was looking for Leech Seed in Vileplume's movepool and I didn't see it. I guess its an emerald move tutor thing. Otherwise I would have said that over Synthesis.

Sim's moveset for Vileplume seems rather Taunt weak and it would suck to be setting up a sub when a taunting Gyarados/Crobat/etc comes in. Granted you can switch but it wastes a lot of setup. Thats why I was recommending HP-Rock, it covers several pokemon that will try to wall Vileplume aswell as cover his type disadvantages. Ttar does make HP-rock kind pointless but that is what STAB Energy Ball is for.

Vileplume @ Calm @ Chlorophyll @ Black Sludge

-Stun Spore
-Energy Ball
-HP-Rock/Leech Seed
-Aromatherapy

EVs: HP-134 Def-188 SpD-188

I think this moveset will suprise a lot of people who aren't expecting Vileplume to stay in when it seems walled. HP-Rock allows for better dexterity in combat, leaving it capable in the face of Taunt. Leech Seed has a pretty obvious reason behind it.


You don't play Plume in OU much, huh?

On paper, that *may* make sense.


However, I've tried the two-move thing,it didn't work as well. The Subseed set is a standard for any able to get their mitts on a Leech Seed Oddish. It is meant really for switches. The status set, which I use, really disables teams. Crobat & Gya may have Taunt, but that doesn't save them from switching into the odd Sleep Powder/Leech Seed/Stun Spore. HP Rock may seem great, but in reality, it isn't. In the fast pace realm of OU, it can't afford to be so wishy washy, using HP Rock. Many things switch when they see Plume, promotig status.

And most importantly, even though it covers his weaknesses, don't forget to know the pokes themselves. The only OU fire type is Infernape (Moltres is too rarely seen to count), and he isn't Rock weak -he'll take more from Sludge Bomb. Every poke & their mother has an Ice attack, and hitting a poke wit HP ROCK won't hurt enough to scare them. Crobat can just eliminate before you take it out with HP ROCK, and Ice Fang will put an end to Plume.

If you're scared to use a poke because of Taunt, you're playing it wrong :P

Not that HP Rock doesn'tt have it's merits, but it only its most seen pokes for neutral.

Eleventyseventy October 7th, 2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4011546)
should i replace tuaros for my BT metagross withthis set

[email protected]??????
intimidate
atk252/spd252/hp6
earthquake
stoneedge
zenheadbutt
return

please help.thanx

You could go for Body Slam > Return for some hopeful paralyze hax, but Return is most preferred for more power.
Pursuit is also an option > Zen Headbutt if you want to catch those runaway ghosts.
Otherwise, I see no reason to run him over a Metagross.

I use the exact same set. :)
Oh and give him Choice Band.

Zurich October 7th, 2008 12:25 PM

I need a reliable moveset for kingler in platinum. With superpower if possible.

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 4012091)
I need a reliable moveset for kingler in platinum. With superpower if possible.

[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 Speed
Trait :Hyper Cutter
- Crabhammer
- Super Power
- X-Scissor
- Rock Slide

^__^.

Water PKMN Trainer October 7th, 2008 12:57 PM

A moveset for an in-game Blaziken on Emerald

Zurich October 7th, 2008 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4012170)
[email protected] Band
Jolly Nature
16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 Speed
Trait :Hyper Cutter
- Waterfall
- Super Power
- X-Scissor
- Rock Slide

^__^.


Thx :)
But, why not crabhammer? Because of the low acuraccy?

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 1:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water PKMN Trainer (Post 4012194)
A moveset for an in-game Blaziken on Emerald

No ingame sets, read the rules.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 4012200)
Thx :)
But, why not crabhammer? Because of the low acuraccy?

Ahh , i mean to put Crabhammer as a option next to Waterfall. But yeah, you can use that if you want.

EDIT: Infact it doesn't even get Waterfall, so your stuck with Crabhammer anyway lol

Water PKMN Trainer October 7th, 2008 1:03 PM

ok then, how about battle blaziken?

Dark Azelf October 7th, 2008 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Water PKMN Trainer (Post 4012222)
ok then, how about battle blaziken?

Most successful set ive used is this one : -


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16 HP / 56 Attack / 240 Sp.Att / 196 Speed
Rash nature
- Fire Blast
- Thunderpunch
- Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
- Sky Uppercut

Detox October 7th, 2008 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4011435)
Of course, using that set infects you with teh phail, so be careful. Skymi is the way to go, but I suppose this is wifi.

Yes..its for WiFi...thats how I battle since im too lazy to get shoddy battle....

anyway....

i need one last member and my team will be done...

Alakazam. it has to be centered around gaurd swap. its for doubles.

Eleventyseventy October 7th, 2008 8:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4012860)
Yes..its for WiFi...thats how I battle since im too lazy to get shoddy battle....

lol.. usually it's the other way 'round.

Well, I don't know a whole lot about Alakazam, only that it seems to sweep my team everytime it shows its face. >__<
So I can't give you a set.

However, Guard Swap could be used on a team-mate Shuckle to sacrifice him for an ultimate Alakazam..?
Skill Swap is also great for him in double battles, this time to sacrifice Alakazam to take that horrid ability away from a team-mate Slaking.

Haha, I sure love sacrificing.. =/

Detox October 8th, 2008 4:11 AM

Actualy the thing with shuckle was what i has in mind...

FinalPaladin October 8th, 2008 6:04 AM

please help i really need a fast physical sweeper for my BT teaam please help

Zurich October 8th, 2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4014195)
please help i really need a fast physical sweeper for my BT teaam please help

Try out weavile then...

[email protected] expert belt/life orb
Jolly
252atk/252/speed/6hp
Night slash
Brick break
Ice punch
Sword dance

whishmaker October 8th, 2008 10:33 AM

thinking of a zapdos

[email protected] life orb
modest
6 hp / 252 sp.atk / 252 spe

thunderbolt
substitute
roost
roar/toxic (for ground types)

i'm bad, so please rate >.<

wus6r October 8th, 2008 11:49 AM

could someone plz give me a good moveset, item and nature for these pokes
charizard
gyaridos
blissey
salamance
tyranitar
and garchomp

Zurich October 8th, 2008 12:37 PM

Is this good for rampardos?

[email protected] Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk / 6 Sp.Def / 252 Speed
Earthquake
Stone edge
Pursuit
Thunder punch

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 4014924)
Is this good for rampardos?

[email protected] Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 Atk / 6 Sp.Def / 252 Speed
Earthquake
Stone edge
Pursuit
Thunder punch

Yeah. It looks pretty effective.

supersmashbro93 October 8th, 2008 2:45 PM

i just came across a spiritomb and whats the best mixed wall set for it

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 3:17 PM

[email protected]
Careful ll Pressure
252 HP / 140 Atk / 116 SpD
-WoW
-Pain Split
-Pursuit
-Sucker Punch

I hope that's what you're looking for.

supersmashbro93 October 8th, 2008 3:42 PM

i was hoping more defensive both special and physical

it needs to include pain split and curse... whats the breeding chain

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 3:52 PM

WoW takes care of the physical part since it halves attack. That along with Sp.D should allow it to sort of tank. Spiritomb + Misdrevous = Pain Split Spiritomb

supersmashbro93 October 8th, 2008 4:00 PM

thanks but whats wow and the evs

Lunar Fang October 8th, 2008 4:03 PM

WoW = Will-O-Wisp. It burns the foe, therefore halving attack. Just go by the EVs I posted before.

supersmashbro93 October 8th, 2008 4:05 PM

alright thanks so much i appreciate it

Sphere October 8th, 2008 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wus6r (Post 4014775)
could someone plz give me a good moveset, item and nature for these pokes
charizard
gyaridos
blissey
salamance
tyranitar
and garchomp

Charizard @ Life Orb / Choice Specs
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Trait: Blaze
~ Air Slash
~ Focus Blast
~ Flamethrower
~ Overheat / Dragon Pulse

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Taunt
~ Ice Fang / Earthquake / Stone Edge

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Trait: Natural Cure
~ Softboiled
~ Aromatherapy / Heal Bell
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder Wave / Seismic Toss

Salamence @ Life Orb / Yache Berry
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Dragon Dance
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Fang / Fire Blast
~ Dragon Claw / Outrage

OR

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Draco Meteor
~ Fire Blast / Flamethrower
~ Hydro Pump
~ Dragon Pulse

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sandstream
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch / Taunt
~ Dragon Dance / Rock Polish

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sand Veil
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch / Fire Fang / Dragon Claw

OR

Garchomp @ Yache Berry / Life Orb
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sand Veil
~ Swords Dance
~ Earthquake
~ Dragon Claw / Outrage
~ Fire Fang / Stone Edge

Angelic Diablo October 8th, 2008 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphere (Post 4015810)
Charizard @ Life Orb / Choice Specs
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
Trait: Blaze
~ Air Slash
~ Focus Blast
~ Flamethrower
~ Overheat / Dragon Pulse

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Taunt
~ Ice Fang / Earthquake / Stone Edge

Blissey @ Leftovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Trait: Natural Cure
~ Softboiled
~ Aromatherapy / Heal Bell
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder Wave / Seismic Toss

Salamence @ Life Orb / Yache Berry
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Dragon Dance
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Fang / Fire Blast
~ Dragon Claw / Outrage

OR

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
Trait: Intimidate
~ Draco Meteor
~ Fire Blast / Flamethrower
~ Hydro Pump
~ Dragon Pulse

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sandstream
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch / Taunt
~ Dragon Dance / Rock Polish

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sand Veil
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch / Fire Fang / Dragon Claw

OR

Garchomp @ Yache Berry / Life Orb
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -Sp. Atk)
Trait: Sand Veil
~ Swords Dance
~ Earthquake
~ Dragon Claw / Outrage
~ Fire Fang / Stone Edge

Bold Blissey fails in DPPt, Use Calm Blissey instead (252 Def, 216 Sp Def, 40 HP or Sp Atk)

crystalvelox October 8th, 2008 10:59 PM

Kingdra @ Life Orb
Adamant/ Swift Swim
252 Atk/ 216 Spe/ 40 Hp
Waterfall
Outrage
Dragon Dance

Dragon Dance and life orb place it's attack power to a little bit above the 600 mark. Which combined with outrage hits pokemon extremely hard. Waterfall is for pokemon for STAB and to hit steel types that would other wise resist outrage. With this set draco meteor is hardly going to hit many other pokemon harder that outrage and waterfall are already doing so I've no need for it.
252 Atk is tp increase attack and I reasoned that with 216 Evs in spe that is enough to outspeed +speed skymin. Extra Evs in HP.

The thing I need answered is a more suitable EV spread and 4th moveslot. I feel that the EV spread wastes too much in speed which could be spent on improving bulkyness in Hp. Note: This is Kingdra IS NOT going to be used on a rain dance team.


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