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*SP addict DS noob* October 8th, 2008 11:15 PM

I need Gengar movsets
 
So far, this is all I can think off.

Gengar @ Life Orb/Black Slude/Leftovers
Timid: 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 6 hp
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Energy Ball/Focus Blast

Ball to OHKO Swampert and do some decent damage to Rhyperior and Ttar. Blast is for a kill on Ttar and nice dents in Blissey and others.

OR

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Hasty: 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 6 def
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond


AND


Gengar @ Life Orb
Hasty: 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 6 def
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond

These are my crappy preferences of what a Gengar's movesets would look like.
Any better ones?

Quote:

crystalvelox, nice Kingdra movesets there. although life orb isn't a good item for it...

. October 8th, 2008 11:30 PM

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rs/178.png
Xatu @ Life Orb
Timid
82 HP/252 SpA/176 Spe
Calm Mind
Shadow Ball/HP Fighting
Psychic
Wish/Substitute/Roost

CM Xatu. It seems a bit gimmicky, but it could work in theory. Synchronize or Early Bird work, as they make Xatu quite unique as a CMer. Synchronize makes it so status will back-fire on the user, making it harder to stop her. Early Bird does make sleep moves less viable to handicap her. It should be noted that a super effective HP Fighting only has 5 points stronger than a STAB Psychic.

Speed EVs let it outrun even Max Spe Jolly Heracross (by 2 points) Calculations below:

1 CM Psychic vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Rotom: 94.74%-111.51%
1 CM Psychic vs. 40 HP/252 SpD Lanturn: 49.38%- 58.35%
1 CM Psychic vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Clefable: 45.18%-53.30%

1 CM Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Hypno: 48.13%-56.68%
1 CM Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP/0 SpD Claydol: 72.84%-85.80%
1 CM Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP/96 SpD Grumpig: 57.69%-68.13%

sandfox October 8th, 2008 11:37 PM

Need help with team, what roles should they have(tank, sp. sweeper,etc.) and how should their ev be distributed, changes would be welcomed. Also if possible(not necessary) if u could keep the same pokemon

[email protected]?
nature: modest
trait: torrent
moveset:
hydro pump
ice beam
aqua ring
mirror coat

[email protected]?
nature: timid
trait: flame body
moveset:
fire blast
overheat
thunderbolt
confuse ray

[email protected]?
nature: hasty
trait: motor drive
moveset:
thunder
thunder wave
ice punch
cross chop

[email protected]?
nature: adamant
trait: lightning rod
moveset:
earthquake
stone edge
megahorn
rock wrecker

[email protected]?
nature: timid
trait: synchronize
moveset:
psychic
shadow ball
focus blast
energy ball

[email protected] band
nature: adamant
trait: no guard
Moveset:
dynamic punch
cross chop
ice punch
thunder punch

Lunar Fang October 9th, 2008 7:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandfox (Post 4016262)
Need help with team, what roles should they have(tank, sp. sweeper,etc.) and how should their ev be distributed, changes would be welcomed. Also if possible(not necessary) if u could keep the same pokemon

[email protected]?
nature: modest
trait: torrent
moveset:
hydro pump
ice beam
aqua ring
mirror coat

[email protected]?
nature: timid
trait: flame body
moveset:
fire blast
overheat
thunderbolt
confuse ray

[email protected]?
nature: hasty
trait: motor drive
moveset:
thunder
thunder wave
ice punch
cross chop

[email protected]?
nature: adamant
trait: lightning rod
moveset:
earthquake
stone edge
megahorn
rock wrecker

[email protected]?
nature: timid
trait: synchronize
moveset:
psychic
shadow ball
focus blast
energy ball

[email protected] band
nature: adamant
trait: no guard
Moveset:
dynamic punch
cross chop
ice punch
thunder punch

I think you're better off making a RMT, it's probably going to take more than 1 or 2 posts to help you out.

sandfox October 9th, 2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunar Fang (Post 4016749)
I think you're better off making a RMT, it's probably going to take more than 1 or 2 posts to help you out.

Thanks for the advice, as u can see I am just starting into competitive battle but I well get right on it

Zurich October 9th, 2008 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 4016237)
Kingdra @ Life Orb
Adamant/ Swift Swim
252 Atk/ 216 Spe/ 40 Hp
Waterfall
Outrage
Dragon Dance

Dragon Dance and life orb place it's attack power to a little bit above the 600 mark. Which combined with outrage hits pokemon extremely hard. Waterfall is for pokemon for STAB and to hit steel types that would other wise resist outrage. With this set draco meteor is hardly going to hit many other pokemon harder that outrage and waterfall are already doing so I've no need for it.
252 Atk is tp increase attack and I reasoned that with 216 Evs in spe that is enough to outspeed +speed skymin. Extra Evs in HP.

The thing I need answered is a more suitable EV spread and 4th moveslot. I feel that the EV spread wastes too much in speed which could be spent on improving bulkyness in Hp. Note: This is Kingdra IS NOT going to be used on a rain dance team.


mmm you can use substitute, luckily you will get some free DD set up to sweep.
With that more Evs in HP you will be able to make an other sub (i think)

whishmaker October 10th, 2008 12:28 PM

[email protected] life orb/ expert belt
adamant nature
ev's: 6 hp / 252 atk / 252 spe
ice punch
thunder punch
cross chop
earthquake

a physical sweeper that is super efectiv to most things.

plz, rate

Zurich October 10th, 2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whishmaker (Post 4020302)
[email protected] life orb/ expert belt
adamant nature
ev's: 6 hp / 252 atk / 252 spe
ice punch
thunder punch
cross chop
earthquake

a physical sweeper that is super efectiv to most things.

plz, rate

You took that from smogon... at list try to be more original.

DarkTyphlosion157 October 10th, 2008 12:35 PM

That is the standard physical Electivire and it is overrated garbage that is walled by so many Pokemon you wouldn't think they'd all fit on a tiny little cartridge.

Lunar Fang October 10th, 2008 2:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whishmaker (Post 4020302)
[email protected] life orb/ expert belt
Lonely nature
252 Atk / 80 SpA / 176 Spe
ice punch
Thunderbolt
cross chop
earthquake

a physical sweeper that is super efectiv to most things.

plz, rate

Not only is it easy to physically wall, it just doesn't hit hard enough period. The idea that being super effective = viable is a fallacy.*Shows vire hate* Anyway fix'd

Dark Azelf October 10th, 2008 2:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whishmaker (Post 4020302)
[email protected] life orb/ expert belt
adamant nature
ev's: 6 hp / 252 atk / 252 spe
ice punch
thunder punch
cross chop
earthquake

a physical sweeper that is super efectiv to most things.

plz, rate

Fire Punch >> eq so Zong, Forry etc dont poop on you as much. But still that set is walled by the metagame.


Let me introduce you to the "Not so sucky vire"



[email protected] Orb
Mild Nature
80 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 176 speed
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Grass
- Flamethrower
- Cross Chop

Fails against less.

Detox October 10th, 2008 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whishmaker (Post 4020302)
[email protected] life orb/ expert belt
adamant nature
ev's: 6 hp / 252 atk / 252 spe
ice punch
thunder punch
cross chop
earthquake

a physical sweeper that is super efectiv to most things.

plz, rate

Wow, have this same vire,and thanks to no defense EVs,it fails.

btw is this a good Raikou?

Raikou @ Life Orb
Modest
126 SpA 126 attack 252 speed 6 Hp/def/sp def

Thunderbolt/thunder fang
Hidden power(dragon) (idk, something got screwed up...)
Crunch
roar

Dark Azelf October 10th, 2008 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4020747)
Wow, have this same vire,and thanks to no defense EVs,it fails.

btw is this a good Raikou?

Raikou @ Life Orb
Modest
126 SpA 126 attack 252 speed 6 Hp/def/sp def

Thunderbolt/thunder fang
Hidden power(dragon) (idk, something got screwed up...)
Crunch
roar

No...


[email protected]
64 HP / 96 SP.ATT / 96 SP.DEF / 252 SPEED
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden power Ice / Hidden power Grass

Glitter Stain October 10th, 2008 3:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4020747)
Wow, have this same vire,and thanks to no defense EVs,it fails.

What on Earth? The only problem with the shown Vire is that it has Thunderpunch over Thunderbolt. (And even that is plausible).

Why in the name of hell would you ever, ever put Defense EVs on a Physical/Special/Mixed Sweeper?

Sora_8920 October 10th, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4020747)
Wow, have this same vire,and thanks to no defense EVs,it fails.

btw is this a good Raikou?

Raikou @ Life Orb
Timid
126 SpA 126 attack 252 speed 6 Hp/def/sp def

Thunderbolt
Hidden power(dragon) (idk, something got screwed up...)
Substitute
Calm Mind

Use Sub >> CM if you aren't using 3rd Gen. EDIT: Beaten.

Detox October 10th, 2008 3:05 PM

Time to undo some EV training....btw...Is this a good regirock?

Regirock @ leftovers
Impish
252 Def 252 Atk 6 Hp

Earthquake
Rockslide
Superpower
Curse

basically a physical wall....

Dark Azelf October 10th, 2008 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4020776)
Time to undo some EV training....btw...Is this a good regirock?

Regirock @ leftovers
Impish
252 Def 252 Atk 6 Hp

Earthquake
Rockslide
Superpower
Curse

basically a physical wall....

What in the..Super Power and Curse is counter productive..


[email protected]
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Thunderwave / Toxic
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm

Support

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Stone Edge

STalk

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 DEF
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Stone Edge
- Explosion / Fire Punch / Ice Punch

If you want to utilize curse..


Use careful since it has like >9000 physical def anyway and in Sandstorm it makes a fantastic dual tank/wall.

Glitter Stain October 10th, 2008 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomSyndrome (Post 4020776)
Time to undo some EV training....btw...Is this a good regirock?

Regirock @ leftovers
Impish
252 Def 252 Atk 6 Hp

Earthquake
Rockslide
Superpower
Curse

basically a physical wall....

Regirock fails horribly without Special Defense EVs. Careful Nature, pleeease.

EDIT: Beaten. :[

The Hero Without a Name October 10th, 2008 4:56 PM

Was thinking up random sets, and I came up with one; seems a little like novelty, though.

Swampert @ Choice Specs
Quiet
164 HP/92 ATK/252 SPATK
Earth Power
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam/HP Electric
Focus Punch

Postman October 10th, 2008 5:12 PM

Kingdra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 120 HP/136 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Surf

Is this set "O.K."

Zurich October 10th, 2008 5:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanye West (Post 4021124)
Kingdra (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 120 HP/136 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Surf

Is this set "O.K."

That set is ok, i will probably give him draco meteor instead of sub and more speed EVs.

Postman October 10th, 2008 7:41 PM

Well when I use Draco Meteor I won't really be able to sweep with him anymore and have to switch out.
But yea, I just want to know if the HP EVs actually accomplish anything or can I just throw them into speed?

FinalPaladin October 11th, 2008 2:37 AM

i need a set for slaking.cant use any punches or shadow claw
i thought

nightslash
earthquake
return
???????

this is for my BT team

oh yeh this is the best set for kingdra sorry cant give evs/items

raindance
hydropump
icebeam
HP-electric

all i know is give it HP,speed and special attack EVS

Sora_8920 October 11th, 2008 5:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4022286)
i need a set for slaking.cant use any punches or shadow claw
i thought

Fire Punch
earthquake
return
Pursuit/Shadow Claw
this is for my BT team

oh yeh this is the best set for kingdra sorry cant give evs/items

raindance
hydropump
icebeam
HP-electric

all i know is give it HP,speed and special attack EVS

Edits in bold. Kingdra is fine.

FinalPaladin October 11th, 2008 6:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . t R U T H (Post 4022529)
Edits in bold. Kingdra is fine.

read my post again i said no punches or shadow claw

Sora_8920 October 11th, 2008 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4022634)
read my post again i said no punches or shadow claw

I dunno why you can't get the punches ._. It isn't R/S/E.

Lunar Fang October 11th, 2008 7:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4022286)
i need a set for slaking.cant use any punches or shadow claw
i thought

[email protected]Leftovers
Truant ll Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk/ 252 Spd

-Nightslash
-earthquake
-return
-Brick Break

You're better off using truth's set, but I think this one fits your standards.

You're Gonna Go Far Kid! October 11th, 2008 7:44 AM

Whats a good moveset for ninetales?
I'm thinking...
[email protected] orb
Timid
252 spA/4spD/252 speed
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower
Energy ball
Hypnosis

sims796 October 11th, 2008 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . t R U T H (Post 4022641)
I dunno why you can't get the punches ._. It isn't R/S/E.

And Platinum didn't come out in America yet.

Dunsparce October 11th, 2008 7:56 AM

I got this Creative Moveset Idea from a Smogoner:

[email protected]
Liquid Ooze
Bold/Impish
Not sure about EVs
Stockpile
Counter
Mirror Coat
Recover

I know it's not he best Toritodon can do, but I would like some Ideas for EVs on this set.

Lunar Fang October 11th, 2008 8:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KommanderMarz (Post 4022868)
Whats a good moveset for ninetales?
I'm thinking...
[email protected] orb
Timid
252 spA/4spD/252 speed
Nasty Plot
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Energy ball
Hypnosis

Yeah, that's fine.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4022903)
I got this Creative Moveset Idea from a Smogoner:

[email protected]
Sticky Hold
Bold/Impish
252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Stockpile
Counter
Mirror Coat
Recover

I know it's not he best Toritodon can do, but I would like some Ideas for EVs on this set.

Gastrodon doesn't have liquid ooze...
Anyway those EV's are good I guess.

Zurich October 11th, 2008 8:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4022903)
I got this Creative Moveset Idea from a Smogoner:

[email protected]
Liquid Ooze
Bold/Impish
Not sure about EVs
Stockpile
Counter
Mirror Coat
Recover

I know it's not he best Toritodon can do, but I would like some Ideas for EVs on this set.

Try something like this: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 Sp.Def
And be careful with taunt because you will be totally scroud.
Oh, and it doesnt even gets liquid ooze,give him sticky hold.

Anti October 11th, 2008 8:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4022903)
I got this Creative Moveset Idea from a Smogoner:

[email protected]
Liquid Ooze
Bold/Impish
Not sure about EVs
Stockpile
Counter
Mirror Coat
Recover

I know it's not he best Toritodon can do, but I would like some Ideas for EVs on this set.

Well switching counters this set...

Not to mention Toxic or Toxic Spikes shuts this down, and really anything can set up on this with no problem and sweep the team it's on.

I don't really think it's viable, even in a novelty setting.

emoBill™ October 11th, 2008 10:00 AM

Uhm, here's the team I have for the Battle Frontier. Not good at all, I was hoping for some help xP

Latios @ Soul Dew
Nature - Lax
Ability - Levitate (not hit by GROUND attacks)
Type - Dragon/Psychic

Stats:
HP - 315/315
ATTACK - 234
DEFENCE - 223
SP. ATTACK - 288
SP. DEF - 234
SPEED - 271

Moves:
(Electric) Thunderbolt PP 15/15
(Psychic) Psychic PP 16/16
(Ground) Earthquake PP 10/10
(Ice) Ice Beam PP 10/10

-------------------
Latias @ Quick Claw
Nature - Relaxed
Ability - Levitate (not hit by GROUND attacks)
Type - Dragon/Psychic

Stats:
HP - 296/296
ATTACK - 168
DEFENCE - 222
SP. ATTACK - 274
SP. DEF - 300
SPEED - 215

Moves:
(Ice) Ice Beam PP 10/10
(Electric) ThunderBolt PP 15/15
(Dragon) Dragon Claw PP 15/15
(Psychic) Psychic PP 12/12
-------------------
Seviper @ King's Rock
Nature - Naughty
Ability - Shed Skin (heals the body by shedding)
Type - Poison

Stats:
HP - 272/272
ATTACK - 240
DEFENCE - 145
SP. ATTACK - 219
SP. DEFENCE - 119
SPEED - 154

Moves:
(Normal) Glare PP 30/30
(Poison) Poison Fang PP 15/15
(Dark) Crunch PP 15/15
(Poison) Poison Tail PP 25/25

I know it's bad...*hangs head*

I have three symbols already from the Dome, Pyramid, and Pike, but only the Silver ones. I'm trying to beat the dojo one (mind-blank) and I need helpz.

So...suggest any Pokemon or whatever?

Oh, and all the above Pokemon are lv. 100. Latios has been the best so far. He's the first in my team and only has trouble with Dark-types. But for the Frontier Brain, she has a Heracross that KO'ed Latios in the first hit. Then Shedinja is a problem...and Umbreon takes down my Psychic's. That's why I have Seviper (Paralyze/Attack/Attack) so it can use Poison Fang.

Yeah, it's sad. I'm not too experienced at Battle Frontier.

Any suggestions for different Pokemon/moves/items/whatever?

Yes, I am aware that my whole team is mostly dragons -.-;;

EDIT: And I'm not that smart, so please put it in words I can understand XD

~Ratiosu

Dunsparce October 11th, 2008 10:03 AM

I got the abilities messed up @[email protected]

What if I replace Stockpile with an offensive move? Earthquake/Earth Power or Surf/Waterfall?

Dark Azelf October 11th, 2008 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4022903)
I got this Creative Moveset Idea from a Smogoner:

[email protected]
Liquid Ooze
Bold/Impish
Not sure about EVs
Stockpile
Counter
Mirror Coat
Recover

I know it's not he best Toritodon can do, but I would like some Ideas for EVs on this set.


Eww, Stock Pile + Counter/Mirror Coat it counter productive (no pun) lol. Since you will do LESS damage depending on how many times you stock pile, which is kinda pointless imo =/. Your also taunt weak ._.


This is one of those cases there 252 hp / 128 def / 128 sp.def IS acceptable, use Bold.

Toxic/Surf/Stock Pile/Recover is an ass to get rid of and i actually found it more useful than counter/coat tbh...

TheMuffinMan October 11th, 2008 5:35 PM

Moveset Question (Move if in wrong place)
 
I have a question on a moveset.

I have a Level 100 Scizor.

Its stats are:
Lax
Att:283
Def:255
SA:145
SD:165
Speed:149

I don't think it is a good nature either :\

Brien October 11th, 2008 5:52 PM

Im not sure, i was looking around, and think a hasty nature would be good,


Max Speed and Special defense, put the rest in normal defense,

@ Focus Sash, i guess.. (leftovers would be useless so I thought a sash might help)


Moveset:

Silverwind?
Baton pass
Substitute
swords dance


Not sure about the moveset, if you mess with the moves, I think this guy could be good.


NOTE: this was thought of on the spot... might not be too good, but maybe...

MurdaRisk October 11th, 2008 7:12 PM

Houndour Nature
 
What would be the best nature for a Houndour?

BlueEew October 11th, 2008 7:35 PM

For it's evolution Houndoom, it would be best to have Mild or mainly Timid. Assuming your training the Pokemon up for Competitive Play.

Jack Surge October 11th, 2008 7:36 PM

Timid nature, with max speed EVs. You could always go with Modest for more power at the cost of speed. Either way, you want the nature boosting his Speed or Sp Atk.

DonRoyale October 11th, 2008 7:36 PM

With 110 base Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot, it's best used as an NP sweeper. The best natures to use for such a set are Timid (preferrably) or Modest.

Nasty Plot/Flamethrower/Dark Pulse/Filler (any special attack you prefer, really) is your best set for using this.

Hope I helped. :)

MurdaRisk October 11th, 2008 7:36 PM

ya i was thinking timid also. And I sure do hope to EV train it, im still trying to figure it out

DonRoyale October 11th, 2008 7:39 PM

40 HP/252 Special Attack/216 Speed is the way to go.

Easily accessible from the Lost Tower south of Solaceon. Gastly gives the Special Attack, Zubat gives the Speed.

For HP, just kill Bidoof. They're everywhere, lulz.

MurdaRisk October 11th, 2008 7:41 PM

ok, will do thanks a lot.

DonRoyale October 11th, 2008 7:42 PM

No problem. Happy to help.

Funny enough, I'm trying to work on guides for EV training, nature decisions, and other guides to help people who ask questions like this. So far, I have the natures guide down, but not sure where the best place to post it would be...

Plus, I'd rather do a video of it, as visuals usually help. :P

MurdaRisk October 11th, 2008 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonRoyale (Post 4025483)
No problem. Happy to help.

Funny enough, I'm trying to work on guides for EV training, nature decisions, and other guides to help people who ask questions like this. So far, I have the natures guide down, but not sure where the best place to post it would be...

Plus, I'd rather do a video of it, as visuals usually help. :P

Visuals do help a lot. What you are working on is exactly what i need. Also what has been slightly an issue is a printable guide. I was able to copy a few charts and align them, but it would be awesome if someone made one printable.

Aurafire October 11th, 2008 9:55 PM

I need a lead set for my metagross, I just need to find a good EV spread.

I was thinking this (EV's might need tweaking)

@leftovers
Adamant
252HP, 108 Att, 150 Sp Def
Stealth rock
Explosion
Earthquake
Ice punch

. October 11th, 2008 10:12 PM

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/134.png
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Modest
70 HP/252 SpA/188 Def
Substitute
Fake Tears
Surf/Hydro Pump
Wish

At first, it seems like a gimmick, and that's not really far from the truth (sadly) but it has some merit. Fake Tears is only really utilized by Glaceon and Jolteon, however, Vaporeon has a few points that differ herself from those two. Mainly, her gargantuan HP. A mere 12 HP EVs let her come to the magic number of 404; meaning Blissey cannot break her Substitutes. Max SpA and Modest is reccomended for a high rate of beating things like TTar, Blissey, etc...Mono-water may seem a little off-putting, but if you can eliminate your opponents water-absorbers, Vappy can cause a serious hurt.

Surf vs. Max HP/Max SpD Regirock (In SS) (-2): 75.82%-89.56%
Surf vs. 184 HP/0 SpD Tyranitar (In SS) (-2): 99.22%-116.80%
Surf vs. 0 HP/176 SpD Blissey (-6): 54.07%-63.75%

While Surf is more reliable, Hydro Pump has a noticable higher damage output:

Hydro Pump vs. Max HP/4 SpD Regice (-2): 56.87%-67.03%
Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP/176 SpD Blissey (-4): 36.10%-42.55%

Archer October 12th, 2008 1:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 4025943)
http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/134.png
Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Modest
70 HP/252 SpA/188 Def
Substitute
Fake Tears
Surf/Hydro Pump
Wish

At first, it seems like a gimmick, and that's not really far from the truth (sadly) but it has some merit. Fake Tears is only really utilized by Glaceon and Jolteon, however, Vaporeon has a few points that differ herself from those two. Mainly, her gargantuan HP. A mere 12 HP EVs let her come to the magic number of 404; meaning Blissey cannot break her Substitutes. Max SpA and Modest is reccomended for a high rate of beating things like TTar, Blissey, etc...Mono-water may seem a little off-putting, but if you can eliminate your opponents water-absorbers, Vappy can cause a serious hurt.

Surf vs. Max HP/Max SpD Regirock (In SS) (-2): 75.82%82.42%89.56%
Surf vs. 184 HP/0 SpD Tyranitar (In SS) (-2): 99.22%106.98%116.80%
Surf vs. 0 HP/176 SpD Blissey (-6): 54.07%58.53%63.75%

While Surf is more reliable, Hydro Pump has a noticable higher damage output:

Hydro Pump vs. Max HP/4 SpD Regice (-2): 56.87%61.26%67.03%
Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP/176 SpD Blissey (-4): 36.10%39.17%42.55%

Look, it has some merit, but besides the -2 calculations, it's not really viable, as they can just switch out. Add on the fact that Hydro Pump only has a 64% chance of hitting twice. If you really want to take out Blissey, just run Adamant, Max Atk and Giga Impact...XD Suicune does this so much better with CM. It also has 101 Subs and cannot be rendered useless with a switch. Unless there is a viable reason to use something that's inferior, it's not really worth using it. Sorry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonRoyale (Post 4025461)
With 110 base Special Attack and access to Nasty Plot, it's best used as an NP sweeper. The best natures to use for such a set are Timid (preferrably) or Modest.

Nasty Plot/Flamethrower/Dark Pulse/Filler (any special attack you prefer, really) is your best set for using this.

Hope I helped. :)

HP Fighting is the best for that Filler. It can be a pain for in-game, though. Otherwise run Will-o-wisp. It helps set up, but without HP Fighting you are walled by Heatran, etc.

FinalPaladin October 12th, 2008 2:54 AM

hey again.i thought that this is a good set for gastrodon

sorry cant give anything but moves

earthpower
surf
sludgebomb
stoneedge

TheMuffinMan October 12th, 2008 3:47 AM

Can I have a good set for Marowak please? And are there any good movesets with a Lax nature?

Archer October 12th, 2008 4:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4026440)
hey again.i thought that this is a good set for gastrodon

sorry cant give anything but moves

earthpower
surf
sludgebomb
stoneedge

No.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Relaxed | Sticky Hold
[ 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SAtk ]
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Beam
~ Toxic
~ Recover

Lax is a poor nature in general.

Marowak @ Thick Club
Adamant | Rock Head
[ 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd ]
~ Earthquake
~ Swords Dance
~ Stone Edge
~ Fire Punch

Fire Punch should be available from the Pt Tutors, IIRC. Pass this puppy some speed, it functions better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_A
Lax is horrid, use Archers set with the Item Thick Club >> leftovers. Double attack stat on marowak is what makes it viable.

Lol, it was 1am, I was bound to make a mistake somewhere, lol. Fixed. I C&P'd my Gastrodon set and changed everything, probably how I skipped the item.

Dark Azelf October 12th, 2008 6:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 4025901)
I need a lead set for my metagross, I just need to find a good EV spread.

I was thinking this (EV's might need tweaking)

@leftovers
Adamant
252HP, 108 Att, 150 Sp Def
Stealth rock
Explosion
Earthquake
Ice punch


[email protected] Berry
208 HP / 76 Atk / 224 Sp.Def
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake / Reflect / Explosion
- Bullet Punch / Reflect / Explosion


Awesome set imo. Evs let you survive a scarf tran fire blast and a Timid specs tran Overheat. Also this serves as a cool check to both Gengar and Deoxys.

Lum Berry i would advise on the item since most sleep inducing leads will poop on you otherwise.

Meteor Mash is NEEDED for STAB and it generally better than Ice Punch. Earhtquake is pretty much for hitting Heatran. Reflect provides some support, whilst Bullet Punch will allow you to get a leg up on suicide leads after negating their sash with Meteor Mash, priority is win regardless. However you can blow up stuffwith it, so the last 2 slots are pretty much up to you.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4026254)
Look, it has some merit, but besides the -2 calculations, it's not really viable, as they can just switch out. Add on the fact that Hydro Pump only has a 64% chance of hitting twice. If you really want to take out Blissey, just run Adamant, Max Atk and Giga Impact...XD Suicune does this so much better with CM. It also has 101 Subs and cannot be rendered useless with a switch. Unless there is a viable reason to use something that's inferior, it's not really worth using it. Sorry.

I agree with this and im kinda not digging sub, maybe you can use another sp.att so you have better coverage ? Idk...


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan (Post 4026535)
Can I have a good set for Marowak please? And are there any good movesets with a Lax nature?


Lax is horrid, use Archers set with the Item Thick Club >> leftovers. Double attack stat on marowak is what makes it viable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4026440)
hey again.i thought that this is a good set for gastrodon

sorry cant give anything but moves

earthpower
surf
sludgebomb
stoneedge

No....just...no. Please dont give advice if you dont know what your doing, and based on that you clearly dont.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4026598)
No.



Marowak @ Leftovers
Adamant | Rock Head
[ 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd ]
~ Earthquake
~ Swords Dance
~ Stone Edge
~ Fire Punch

Fire Punch should be available from the Pt Tutors, IIRC. Pass this puppy some speed, it functions better.

Leftovers lolwut ? Thick Club >>Leftovers now !

Double Edge >> Swords Dance is useful too. But its up to you.

TheMuffinMan October 12th, 2008 7:01 AM

Is their another move I can use besides Fire Punch?

Dark Azelf October 12th, 2008 7:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMuffinMan (Post 4026919)
Is their another move I can use besides Fire Punch?

Well..not really since its the only thing you can use to hit the ever common Bronzong.

TheMuffinMan October 12th, 2008 7:06 AM

Yeah ...

So I have to get it from a FR/LG tutor?

The Hero Without a Name October 12th, 2008 7:12 AM

Emerald; no FRLG tutor has the elemental punches.

TheMuffinMan October 12th, 2008 7:13 AM

Dx

Dang.

I only have FR.

FinalPaladin October 12th, 2008 9:28 AM

ummm i was wonderin.
which poke should i use for my BT team
my slaking that got posted earlier
or weavile

[email protected]/please give anouther sensible choice
pressure
att252/spe252/???6
icepunch
brickbreak
nightslash
aerialace

El Gofre October 12th, 2008 10:03 AM

Weavile would be the better option, it gets to attack every turn.
Jolly nature btw.

shedinjask October 12th, 2008 1:21 PM

Fire Punch is also available from Platinum, and some people will offer tutoring services.

sims796 October 12th, 2008 1:29 PM

Good luck finding a tutor program, I still can't :/

Archer October 12th, 2008 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4027393)
ummm i was wonderin.
which poke should i use for my BT team
my slaking that got posted earlier
or weavile

[email protected]/please give anouther sensible choice
pressure
att252/spe252/???6
icepunch
brickbreak
nightslash
aerialace

Weavile @ Life Orb/Focus Sash Leftovers ...xD
Jolly | Pressure
[ 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd ]
~ Swords Dance
~ Ice Punch
~ Night Slash
~ Brick Break

Volkner's Apprentice October 12th, 2008 4:44 PM

Hey folks of the wonderful S&M, ^_^. I'm looking for a possible mixed-set for a Honchkrow as well as any thoughts of altering the Salac Reversal set for Scyther.

[email protected] Berry
Adamant/Technician
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
~Reversal
~Swords Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Substitute/Endure

And can anyone tutor me in exactly how Reversal works? (hopefully in more basic terms than Smogon XD)

Zetta-Chan October 12th, 2008 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volkner's Apprentice (Post 4029023)
Hey folks of the wonderful S&M, ^_^. I'm looking for a possible mixed-set for a Honchkrow as well as any thoughts of altering the Salac Reversal set for Scyther.

[email protected] Berry
Adamant/Technician
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
~Reversal
~Swords Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Substitute/Endure

And can anyone tutor me in exactly how Reversal works? (hopefully in more basic terms than Smogon XD)

Mixed Crow Set

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
126 SpA/ 126 Att/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Lonely Nature/ Super Luck
- Dark Pulse
- Super Power (Platnium Only)
- Sucker Punch
- Heat Wave (Platnuim Only)

Just made it up now, hope it works.

Zurich October 12th, 2008 5:44 PM

Reversal inflicts greater damage when the user's HP is lower. check this out for calculating reversals power:

Users remaining hp Power
71%-100%-------- 20
36%-70% ---------40
21%-35%--------- 80
11%-20%--------- 100
5%-10% ----------150
0%-4%----------- 200

So if you are left with 1 hp, 200 will be the power of reversal.
As easy as that.

Volkner's Apprentice October 12th, 2008 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cody B (Post 4029087)
Mixed Crow Set

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
126 SpA/ 126 Att/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
Lonely Nature/ Super Luck
- Dark Pulse
- Super Power (Platnium Only)
- Sucker Punch
- Heat Wave (Platnuim Only)

Just made it up now, hope it works.

Thanks, Cody, I'll definitely use that spread and perhaps the moves. Does anyone have any sets that don't involve access to Platinum? (Unless of course you could do a move tutor for me once I finish training it, Cody :P)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 4029186)
Reversal inflicts greater damage when the user's HP is lower. check this out for calculating reversals power:

Users remaining hp Power
71%-100%-------- 20
36%-70% ---------40
21%-35%--------- 80
11%-20%--------- 100
5%-10% ----------150
0%-4%----------- 200

So if you are left with 1 hp, 200 will be the power of reversal.
As easy as that.

Yeah, that's what I read on Smogon, I just wanted to make sure there weren't other complications to it.

So does that mean for Scyther's Salac set would work better with Endure? I'm preferring it over Sub at the moment.

Zetta-Chan October 13th, 2008 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volkner's Apprentice (Post 4029483)
Thanks, Cody, I'll definitely use that spread and perhaps the moves. Does anyone have any sets that don't involve access to Platinum? (Unless of course you could do a move tutor for me once I finish training it, Cody :P)



Yeah, that's what I read on Smogon, I just wanted to make sure there weren't other complications to it.

So does that mean for Scyther's Salac set would work better with Endure? I'm preferring it over Sub at the moment.

Hmm... I made a Honchkrow set without Platinum moves. Enjoy!

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Lonely Nature/ Super Luck
126 Att/ 126 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
- Hidden Power Fighting/ Icy Wind
- Sucker Punch
- Steel Wing/Drill Peck
- Psychic

As for HP Fighting or Icy Wind, HP gets rid of Normal and other Dark types trying to switch in. Icy Wind is for those pesky Dragons and fellow flying types. This is the set I made up have on my Honchkrow:

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature/ Insomia
252 Att/ 252 Spe/ 4 HP
- Pursuit
- Steel Wing
- Drill Peck
- Sucker Punch

This works out well, he is on my competitive battling team. He is one great counter to Gengar, if you play your cards right. Switch in to a predicted Hypnosis, Insomia keeps you awake, then either predict a switch (Pursuit) or an attack (Sucker Punch).

Stop Messing Up My Files, Porygon-Z! October 13th, 2008 4:55 AM

This is my team:

Mixed Wall

Spiritomb @ Leppa Berry (has good Def. IV's)
252 HP/80 Def./176 Sp. Def.
Impish Nature/Pressure
Sucker Punch (max PP)
Taunt
Spite
Pain Split

Taunt to ensure that the foe attacks, Sucker Punch gets STAB and always goes first, despite Spiritomb's horrible speed. Speaking of Spite, Spite takes advantage of Spiritomb's low speed to cut the forced attack's PP by 4. Will-O-Wisp burns the enemy to make it even harder for the enemy to get a physical attack down, and likely will scare them away to the shelter of someone like Blissey. When this happens, Spiritomb's job is done, and it switches out to someone with high attack, like Tauros.

Special Sweeper:

Charizard @ Wise Glasses
(I don't know; this is the very first Pokemon I EV trained, but I know for sure it has 252 Sp. Atk.)
Modest Nature/Blaze
Fire Blast
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Air Slash

This is basically your average SunnyBeaming Charizard, EXCEPT for one thing-Air Slash. Air Slash beats the Heracross who is unlucky enough to switch into Charizard, and also acts as a substitute for Fire Blast in some occasions when you can't afford to use two turns to use Sunny Day and then Fire Blast, or when Fire Blast is out of PP.

Physical Sweeper:

Tauros @ Choice Band
4 HP/252 Atk./252 Spd.
Adamant Nature/Intimidate
Zen Headbutt
Return
Earthquake
Outrage

Zen Headbutt obliterates Gengar. Period. Return is a strong attack which gets STAB. And Outrage? It can be a big help against dragons who don't know it can learn that move. EQ is a cliched move, and is expected on Tauros, but hey, it's got a lot of type coverage.

What I would like on my team, but I don't know if it's supportive of the rest of it is this:

Mixed Sweeper:

Infernape @ Life Orb
252 Atk./24 Sp. Atk./232 Spd.
Adamant Nature/Blaze
Overheat
Close Combat
Stone Edge
ThunderPunch

The Nasty Plot/Overheat combo. And what a fine combo it is. Upping Special Attack two stages, scorching your foes with Overheat, thus putting your stats back to normal, is so ironic, that it could actually work. ThunderPunch destroys Gyarados. (Poor Gyarados...I used to have one on my team.) If I wanted to Burn, I'd send out Spiritomb first.

Physical Wall/Pseudo-Physical Sweeper

Rhyperior @ Razor Claw
252 HP/6 Atk./252 Def.
Adamant Nature/Solid Rock
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn
Avalanche

This moveset comes from Smogon. (Just telling you before you start flaming me.) The item and EV's do not, however. I feel Razor Claw is better than Choice Band for this reason: While Choice Band increases Attack by 50%, critical hits double the power of the move itself. This can be handy especially while using Stone Edge, which, with its high critical hit rate, makes critical hits have a 1/4 chance of happening, and if it happens, then Stone Edge will do a massive 200 damage, which can probably do a 2HKO on Gyarados, not to mention OHKO Charizard.

Special Wall

Blissey @ Leftovers
252 Def./40 Sp. Atk./216 Sp. Def.
Calm Nature/Natural Cure
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam
Softboiled
Toxic

Yes, this moveset is "Cleric Blissey" from Smogon, but I like it. The reason I like it is because Toxic slowly but steadily eats away at your opponent's HP, and the damage it takes at the end of each turn doubles every turn.

Zetta-Chan October 13th, 2008 5:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorchicBlaziken (Post 4030177)
This is my team:

Mixed Wall

Spiritomb @ Leppa Berry (has good Def. IV's)
252 HP/80 Def./176 Sp. Def.
Careful/Pressure
Sucker Punch (max PP)
Taunt
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

Changes in Bold.

Special Sweeper:

Charizard @ Wise Glasses
(I forget, but it's 252 Sp. Atk)
Modest Nature/Blaze
Fire Blast
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Air Slash

Okay.

Physical Sweeper:

Tauros @ Choice Band
4 HP/252 Atk./252 Spd.
Adamant Nature/Intimidate
Zen Headbutt
Return
Iron Tail
EQ

Tauros can't learn Outrage, it is not on any listing from Smogon or Bulbapedia. Unless it's a Platinum move.



What I would like on my team, but I don't know if it's supportive of the rest of it is this:

Mixed Sweeper:

Infernape @ Life Orb
252 Atk./24 Sp. Atk./232 Spd.
Jolly Nature/Blaze
Flare Blitz
Close Combat
U-Turn/ Stone Edge/ EQ
ThunderPunch

Hate to break the news hun. Infernape isn't gonna live long enough to Nasty Plot then Overheat. Your just gonna lose Nasty Plot anyway after Overheat.

Physical Wall/Pseudo-Physical Sweeper

Rhyperior @ Choice Band
129 HP/129 Atk./252 Def.
Adamant Nature/Solid Rock
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn
Avalanche

Razor Claw is a Hax item. Choice band is much better.

Special Wall

Blissey @ Leftovers
252 Def./40 Sp. Atk./216 Sp. Def.
Calm Nature/Natural Cure
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam
Softboiled Okay
Toxic

Changes in Bold. This team needs alot of work.

FinalPaladin October 13th, 2008 7:39 AM

Ok so im gonna train up weavile.
i know this is a bit of topic but can i ask
you know that everstone makes the baby poke have a 50% chance of having the same nature as its parents,well does this apply to the mum and the dad

El Gofre October 13th, 2008 7:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4030478)
Ok so im gonna train up weavile.
i know this is a bit of topic but can i ask
you know that everstone makes the baby poke have a 50% chance of having the same nature as its parents,well does this apply to the mum and the dad

It only works on the mom.

FinalPaladin October 13th, 2008 7:53 AM

oh thanx.how much damage would a lvl 50 modest gengars focusblast do to an average lvl50 blissey

crystalvelox October 13th, 2008 12:37 PM

What are some decent users of dual screens for standard environment apart from Bronzong and Deoxys-S?

Matt-O October 13th, 2008 1:04 PM

Are there any good OU special walls not named Blissey or Snorlax? I'm finding a lot lately that Tentacruel isn't cutting it. He might have to stay as a spinner, but not as my primary Sp.Att taker.

. October 13th, 2008 1:05 PM

Regice and Regirock (in Sandstorm) can work, although the former is Stealth Rock weak. Milotic can function decently as well.

El Gofre October 13th, 2008 1:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4030503)
oh thanx.how much damage would a lvl 50 modest gengars focusblast do to an average lvl50 blissey

Standard LO Gar (Who wants timid btw) does 37-43% (216SpDef/40HP) or 38-45% (176SpDef) at level 50. Why 50 btw?

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 4031305)
What are some decent users of dual screens for standard environment apart from Bronzong and Deoxys-S?

No idea, I haven't seen anything bar those two even attempt the job :S

Matt-O October 13th, 2008 1:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 4031429)
Regice and Regirock (in Sandstorm) can work, although the former is Stealth Rock weak. Milotic can function decently as well.

What would be the set for a Milotic? Something like:
[email protected]
Calm nature
EVs: 252 HP, ??Sp.Def, ??Sp.Att
Moves:
Surf
Ice Beam
Hypnosis
Recover

. October 13th, 2008 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 4031440)
What would be the set for a Milotic? Something like:
[email protected]
Calm nature
EVs: 252 HP, ??Sp.Def, ??Sp.Att
Moves:
Surf
Ice Beam
Hypnosis
Recover

Eh, I'd consider dropping Hypnosis, since in Platinum, the accuracy is 60%. Maybe put HP Electric over it to handle Gyara.

Dark Azelf October 13th, 2008 1:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalvelox (Post 4031305)
What are some decent users of dual screens for standard environment apart from Bronzong and Deoxys-S?

Ive seen Jirachi do it 0.o.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 4031440)
What would be the set for a Milotic? Something like:
[email protected]
Calm nature
EVs: 252 HP, ??Sp.Def, ??Sp.Att
Moves:
Surf
Ice Beam
Hypnosis
Recover

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Hypnosis / Toxic / Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Hidden power Electric / Ice Beam

Takes hits better from BOTH sides of the spectrum and i more use than sp.wall Milotic being able to counter more.

The Hero Without a Name October 13th, 2008 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt-O (Post 4031425)
Are there any good OU special walls not named Blissey or Snorlax? I'm finding a lot lately that Tentacruel isn't cutting it. He might have to stay as a spinner, but not as my primary Sp.Att taker.

1) Snorlax isn't a really good Special Wall in DPPt
2) No. Blissey's really the only good one.

Archer October 14th, 2008 3:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 4031627)
1) Snorlax isn't a really good Special Wall in DPPt
2) No. Blissey's really the only good one.

Although Tentacruel won't cut it, Snorlax is awesome. Sorry, that's just stupid. He actually has the ability to hurt stuff and Thick Fat means Fire and Ice do half damage.

As for the double-screening request, I believe the new Rotom forms do it well, although they're not an option for Wifi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4031479)
[email protected]
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Hypnosis / Toxic / Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Hidden power Electric / Ice Beam

Takes hits better from BOTH sides of the spectrum and i more use than sp.wall Milotic being able to counter more.

As an option, Marvel Scale makes Milotic rather Physically Bulky with Status, anyway. This make's a ReStalk set very viable...

Sexycheese October 14th, 2008 3:41 AM

Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me advice for an umbreon for UU? I think a set with mean look and wish is effective but Im not sure...what do you think?

Sora_8920 October 14th, 2008 4:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 4033133)
Hi I was wondering if anyone could give me advice for an umbreon for UU? I think a set with mean look and wish is effective but Im not sure...what do you think?

Well, if you really want to use the metagame weak Pokémon Umbreon, then use this:

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP/90 SpD/164 Spe
~Mean Look
~Baton Pass
~Wish
~Taunt/Wish/Protect/Toxic. Meh, Close Combat weak, and that's really common.

Glitter Stain October 14th, 2008 4:34 AM

Umbreon is BL anyway. It's not like you'd be making use of it in UU. o.o;

Sexycheese October 14th, 2008 4:38 AM

Thanks for the tips :)
Yeah close combat weak is a problem :(

FinalPaladin October 14th, 2008 7:57 AM

i would like to know a good cacturne

how about
[email protected]
??????? nature
atk???/??????/??????
sucker punch
needlearm/seedbomb
spikes
sandstorm

D/P only set

Volkner's Apprentice October 14th, 2008 8:41 AM

Hey guys, I'm looking for competitive Pidgeot and Scyther sets. I was considering Salac-Reversal for Scyther, because it's unique, but does anyone else have opinions?

FinalPaladin October 14th, 2008 8:52 AM

so sorry i cant help you there.ill try and get smoe sets
who would be best for the BT.starmie or gengar
if you say gengar ill give him this

[email protected]
levitate
modest
sp.att252/spd252/HP6
energyball
shadowball
focusblast
thunderbolt

icycatelf October 14th, 2008 11:29 AM

What would be the best moveset for a Jolly Garchomp (EV'd Attack & Speed)?

So far, I think these moves would be good (though 1 needs to be eliminated), but I'm not the best at movesets:
Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Crunch, Earthquake, Sandstorm.

Dark Azelf October 14th, 2008 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volkner's Apprentice (Post 4033558)
Hey guys, I'm looking for competitive Pidgeot and Scyther sets. I was considering Salac-Reversal for Scyther, because it's unique, but does anyone else have opinions?

Yeah id only use Salac reversal in uu, since its poop in ou with all the priority and weather flying around.

For OU and in general id probably use Baton pass, SD Life Orb Sweeper or Choice Band or possibly scarf (If you want the sets, just ask).

As for pidgeot ..

[email protected] Band *I am outclassed by Staraptor, Dodrio, Fearow and Natu*
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait : Tangled Feet
- Return
- Brave Bird
- Steel Wing / U-turn
- Quick Attack / Pursuit

Is what your stuck with.

One may opt for Heat Wave a + attack - def nature and some sp.att evs (or even a Life Orb aswell) so you can at least do something to Steelix since base 70 sp.att is quite usable in the lower tiers. If you have Platinum that is X).

Or

[email protected] *Zapdos is better than me*
252 HP / 112 SpA / 144 Speed
Timid / Modest Nature
Trait : Tangled Feet
- Hidden power Ground
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Toxic / Feather Dance

"support"

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 4033587)
so sorry i cant help you there.ill try and get smoe sets
who would be best for the BT.starmie or gengar
if you say gengar ill give him this

[email protected]
levitate
modest
sp.att252/spd252/HP6
energyball
shadowball
focusblast
thunderbolt

Timid >> Modest. Hypnosis or HP ice >> Energy suck Ball. Life Orb can be considered too or Wide Lense for Focus Blast + Hypnosis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by こがおかみ (Post 4033931)
What would be the best moveset for a Jolly Garchomp (EV'd Attack & Speed)?

So far, I think these moves would be good (though 1 needs to be eliminated), but I'm not the best at movesets:
Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Crunch, Earthquake, Sandstorm.

Sandstorm, Crunch, Dragon Rush are garbage. Especially the former, if you want to activate his ability use it in conjunction with Tyranitar or that sand Hippow no one uses any more...hi...Hipp...Hippowdon, that it ! =p.

Fire + dragon + ground should be the basis for ALL OU dragon pokemon sets since they hit everything in the game for at least neutral. Which means together they are un-resisted.

[email protected] Band
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang

Outrage for late game and Dragon Claw for early. This set literally is capable of at least 2hkoing everything in the game =).

OR


[email protected] Orb / Yache Berry
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang

SD Sweeper.

On this set you may use Sub >> Fire Fang and give it Bright Powder as the item. With sandstorm support its scary ( due to sandveil =))

Aurafire October 14th, 2008 1:15 PM

Defensive roost Zapdos for the definite win. I've been using this set up in my shoddy battles and it's working out beastly.

Zapdos @ leftovers
Bold
252HP/252DEF/6SP ATT
Roost
Toxic
Thunderbolt
Heat Wave

I'm thinking of opting out toxic for something else, since I've used it maybe once or twice. Any suggestions?

DarkTyphlosion157 October 14th, 2008 1:19 PM

When the SD Yache set is proven to be uncounterable by only 1 Pokemon, I ask you this, why use any other set?

Dark Azelf October 14th, 2008 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 4034298)
Defensive roost Zapdos for the definite win. I've been using this set up in my shoddy battles and it's working out beastly.

Zapdos @ leftovers
Bold
252HP/252DEF/6SP ATT
Roost
Toxic
Thunderbolt
Heat Wave

I'm thinking of opting out toxic for something else, since I've used it maybe once or twice. Any suggestions?


Well Light Screen, Roar and Thunderwave are all usable...

Lunar Fang October 14th, 2008 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkTyphlosion157 (Post 4034307)
When the SD Yache set is proven to be uncounterable by only 1 Pokemon, I ask you this, why use any other set?

Maybe another set just fits his team better. 6 OUs using the "best" sets doesn't make a team. Synergy should always to be considered. The idea that using an uncounterable or even the "best" set gives you good results is pretty much folly. =/

Dark Azelf October 15th, 2008 4:08 AM

SD Chomp takes a turn of set up to be scary and is a late game sweeper and CB Chomp is scary immediately. Its pretty much a mid game poke to wreck stuff and cant sweep due to the move restriction of CB (well it can sweep, but you get what i mean).


Both are un-counterable pretty much so you achieve the same thing anyway lol

JonnyPhoenyx October 15th, 2008 5:49 AM

I want to build a good defensive team. any suggestions? (No legendaries) I want pokes who can take a hit, but deal some damage too. I was thinking about Umbreon and Agron.

Dunsparce October 15th, 2008 6:24 AM

What do you think of this Froslass set:

[email protected] Specs
Timid
6 HP/252 SATK/252 SPD
Thunderbolt
Trick
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

This set is mostly used for fighting my brother. He prefers using Powerful Physical Attackers like Tyranitar and Gyarados. Even with a special-based Pokemon out, I can use Choice Specs to deal some damage. The only thing that resists Electric/ice/Ghost is Magnezone, whom my Brother never uses.

FinalPaladin October 15th, 2008 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 4036019)
What do you think of this Froslass set:

[email protected] Specs
Timid
6 HP/252 SATK/252 SPD
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball

This set is mostly used for fighting my brother. He prefers using Powerful Physical Attackers like Tyranitar and Gyarados. Even with a special-based Pokemon out, I can use Choice Specs to deal some damage. The only thing that resists Electric/ice/Ghost is Magnezone, whom my Brother never uses.

All quite good,Changes in bold.


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