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Anti November 19th, 2008 12:42 PM

It's a Ratata with Endeavor, Quick Attack, and a Focus Sash to catch things off guard. It's a really awful set though (don't use it), and I don't think many would consider Ratata cute...

Suicune is definitely a "cute" pokemon you're going to want to try out. It's really useful in a lot of different areas.

LittleMissChikorita November 19th, 2008 12:46 PM

ahhh. i do think rattata is pretty cute (i love rats! and whats cuter than a rat thats my favouite colour!) but the move set doesn't sound too promising...
Suicune is pretty darn cute, i'll check it out! thanks.xx

Weavile1110101 November 19th, 2008 1:29 PM

How about a Togekiss? Awesome Sp.Attacker and paraflincher, and cute to boot!

LittleMissChikorita November 19th, 2008 1:37 PM

i have a togekiss :) yaaaay,xx

Dark Azelf November 19th, 2008 1:44 PM

LittleMissChikorita, your thread would be better suited here.


~Merges~

LittleMissChikorita November 19th, 2008 2:00 PM

i'm hoping i'm in the right place...
i was wondering if anyone had a good move set for misdrevus?
x

Detox November 19th, 2008 2:09 PM

could someone give me a set for a tyranitar? preferably sp. attacker...

Dark Azelf November 19th, 2008 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 4133250)
could someone give me a set for a tyranitar? preferably sp. attacker...


[email protected] Specs / Life Orb / Expert Belt
160 HP / 68 ATT / 252 SP.ATT / 28 SPEED
Quiet Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Super Power / Focus Punch
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam


This set is cool as hell.

Super Power/Focus Punch for Lax, Bliss, foe tar and heatran etc.

Thunderbolt can be used in either of the last 2 slots too if you want to hit waters.

28 Speed is to outpace bliss.

Detox November 19th, 2008 2:47 PM

Thanks,ill use superpower since the atk drop wont really matter.

braminoid November 19th, 2008 4:20 PM

does anyone know a moveset for a trap setter (Spikes etc.)?

F-F-Franklin November 19th, 2008 6:48 PM

Does anyone know what pokemon could counter the following that doesn't have a ground or fire type weakness with decent speed?:
Skarmory, Forretress, Donphan, Hippowdown, Celebi, Suicune, Vaporeon, Gliscor

Heart's Soul November 19th, 2008 7:44 PM

Mew, Arceus, what else can you ask for? Those guys may be Ubers, but they have great stats! ... When will Aruseusu be released in Japan, I can't wait for one... Er... But there is an unofficial event here...... Meh.

Aurafire November 19th, 2008 9:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by braminoid (Post 4133448)
does anyone know a moveset for a trap setter (Spikes etc.)?

There's a bunch of options. Forretress, Roserade and Cloyster all set up both spikes and toxic spikes. Skarmory can set up spikes, and Tentacruel sets up toxic spikes. It really depends on what you team needs in terms of support, physical or special walling. There are even more option for stealth rock. What specifically do you think you need?

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-F-Franklin (Post 4133690)
Does anyone know what pokemon could counter the following that doesn't have a ground or fire type weakness with decent speed?:
Skarmory, Forretress, Donphan, Hippowdown, Celebi, Suicune, Vaporeon, Gliscor

O_O....One pokemon that counters all of those? Well...NP Mixape probably comes the closest, as it can do a large amount to most of those with this set:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
24 Att / 252 Sp Att / 232 Speed
Nasty Plot
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Close Combat
HP Ice / Grass Knot

This thing is a beast wall breaker. Unfortunately, you'll have to choose between Grass Knot or HP Ice. Grass knot for the bulky waters, or HP Ice for Gliscor/Celebi/Dragons. It's the closest you'll ever come to countering all of those pokes you listed.

Skip Shot November 19th, 2008 9:29 PM

Aurafire... He could just go with the all-out Mixape, and put HP Ice>> Nasty Plot. I find that set a lot more useful.

The Hero Without a Name November 19th, 2008 9:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 4133843)
There's a bunch of options. Forretress, Roserade and Cloyster all set up both spikes and toxic spikes. Skarmory can set up spikes, and Tentacruel sets up toxic spikes. It really depends on what you team needs in terms of support, physical or special walling. There are even more option for stealth rock. What specifically do you think you need?



O_O....One pokemon that counters all of those? Well...NP Mixape probably comes the closest, as it can do a large amount to most of those with this set:

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive
24 Att / 252 Sp Att / 232 Speed
Nasty Plot
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Close Combat
HP Ice / Grass Knot

This thing is a beast wall breaker. Unfortunately, you'll have to choose between Grass Knot or HP Ice. Grass knot for the bulky waters, or HP Ice for Gliscor/Celebi/Dragons. It's the closest you'll ever come to countering all of those pokes you listed.

Unfortunately... he still doesn't really switch in well against Vaporeon or Suicune (who both OHKO him with Surf), and doesn't even come close to a OHKO with a NP'd Grass Knot.

He's also playing a risky game if he comes in on Hippowdon or Gliscor, as EQ is a pretty brutal OHKO.

Aurafire November 19th, 2008 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc4rfCh0mp (Post 4133850)
Aurafire... He could just go with the all-out Mixape, and put HP Ice>> Nasty Plot. I find that set a lot more useful.

That works too, but you lose your ability to OHKO a few pokes without the NP power-up. It's really up to his preference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 4133861)
Unfortunately... he still doesn't really switch in well against Vaporeon or Suicune (who both OHKO him with Surf), and doesn't even come close to a OHKO with a NP'd Grass Knot.

He's also playing a risky game if he comes in on Hippowdon or Gliscor, as EQ is a pretty brutal OHKO.

After NP, Grass Knot OHKOs Cune and 2HKOs Vaporeon. Hippowdon and Gliscor are both outsped and fail to Grass Knot or HP Ice.

Reese November 19th, 2008 9:49 PM

Could I get a moveset for Breloom.

The Hero Without a Name November 19th, 2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurafire (Post 4133865)
That works too, but you lose your ability to OHKO a few pokes without the NP power-up. It's really up to his preference.



After NP, Grass Knot OHKOs Cune and 2HKOs Vaporeon. Hippowdon and Gliscor are both outsped and fail to Grass Knot or HP Ice.

Point being, Infernape cannot switch into any of them without a risk of getting OHKO'd.

Skip Shot November 19th, 2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reese (Post 4133881)
Could I get a moveset for Breloom.

Depends on the situation. There are 4 main sets for Breloom that are pretty good.

The Lead Set:

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Adamant/Jolly Nature
252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP (All EV sets, Natures, and Items are the same for most sets, so I won't repost them.)

Spore
Mach Punch
Seed Bomb/Stone Edge
Protect

This sets spreads around spores and scouts out leads to see what they have in store for you.

The Sweeper:

Spore
Mach Punch
Focus Punch
Stone Edge

A very well-knwon physical attacker, destroys a good portion of teams.

The SubSporePuncher:

Substitute
Spore
Stone Edge/ Seed Bomb
Focus Punch

SubPunching and Subsporing combined into one set. Pretty nasty, but too common too be much of a threat.

The SubSeeder:
42 HP/ 212 Spe/ 252 Atk

Substitute
Leech Seed
Spore/ Seed Bomb
Focus Punch

Somewhat like the previous set, with the main purpose coming from Leech Seed instead of Spore.

These are just a few of many sets that Breloom has.

StrickeN November 20th, 2008 4:21 AM

With the advent of platinum I'd have to say the sweeper set of breloom needs stone edge or Thunder Punch.

Dark Azelf November 20th, 2008 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-F-Franklin (Post 4133690)
Does anyone know what pokemon could counter the following that doesn't have a ground or fire type weakness with decent speed?:
Skarmory, Forretress, Donphan, Hippowdown, Celebi, Suicune, Vaporeon, Gliscor

Some version of Zappy or one of the Rotom formes ?

(Actually, Ludicolo does well against those too o.0)

.Ozymandias November 20th, 2008 8:03 AM

Looking for a moveset for a Glaceon and a Magmortar

StrickeN November 20th, 2008 8:24 AM

Magmortar @ life orb
MIld
86 Att / 252 Sp. Att / 172 Speed
~Thunderbolt
~HP [Ice} / HP [Grass]
~Cross Chop
~Lava Plume

Dark Azelf November 20th, 2008 9:25 AM

that ^ or Fire Blast / Flmethrower >> Lave Plume. Alternately specs/ scarf is a nice set where you go Focus Blast >> Cross Chop and use Modest/Timid max speed & sp.att.

[email protected]
252 HP / 252 SpA / 6 Speed
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Fake Tears
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Wish


[email protected] Specs / Choice Scarf
252 SP.Att / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Water Pulse / Sleep Talk / Wish

Supreme Dirt November 20th, 2008 1:50 PM

Alrighty, I'm looking at making a stall team, what are the 6 least used and viable walls, preferably 3 tanks and 3 walls; 2 physical, 2 special, 2 mixed.

Heart's Soul November 20th, 2008 5:32 PM

Well, my team has a successful staller that can even stall Palmer for a very long while. Try using Cresselia as a staller. High Defensive stats, Substitute, Moonlight, Toxic, and Leftovers = 1 staller.

I said what I use about 1 or 2 pages ago.

moments. November 20th, 2008 6:03 PM

What is a good moveset for a Jumpluff lead in OU?

F-F-Franklin November 20th, 2008 7:09 PM

What resists Fire and Ground and has a fire move of it's own?

luke November 20th, 2008 7:19 PM

Moltres / Ho-Oh / Charizard / Salamence / Dragonite are a few.

~Kavin~ November 20th, 2008 10:34 PM

In a matter of opinion, out of these three moves, protect, light screen, reflect, which one would benefit me more in the battle tower? I know reflect and light screen could benefit the whole team, but protect seems pretty useful if used correctly.

BeachBoy November 20th, 2008 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treeko-kt (Post 4135634)
In a matter of opinion, out of these three moves, protect, light screen, reflect, which one would benefit me more in the battle tower? I know reflect and light screen could benefit the whole team, but protect seems pretty useful if used correctly.

As a Battle Tower maniac myself, I'd say Duel Screens are far more useful than Detect or Protect.

For example, I use both screens on my lead Yawn Uxie, Reflect aiding Calm Mind Lucario, Light Screen for my Garchomp. With Yawn providing ample time to set up and sweep.

I don't really see what you'll get much out of Protect, UNLESS, you're using a toxic stalling strategy, then it'll be useful. So overall, I'd say it depends overall on what you'd like to accomplish, if you want to be aggressive and set up sweep, screens. If you want to play more of a defensive game, Protect.

When used correctly is iffy, because if the AI starts setting up Double Team, Protect won't save you, while screens can prolong team member survivability and more of a chance to hit. They certainly both have positives and negatives, but I prefer screens.

~Kavin~ November 20th, 2008 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 4135650)
As a Battle Tower maniac myself, I'd say Duel Screens are far more useful than Detect or Protect.

For example, I use both screens on my lead Yawn Uxie, Reflect aiding Calm Mind Lucario, Light Screen for my Garchomp. With Yawn providing ample time to set up and sweep.

I don't really see what you'll get much out of Protect, UNLESS, you're using a toxic stalling strategy, then it'll be useful. So overall, I'd say it depends overall on what you'd like to accomplish, if you want to be aggressive and set up sweep, screens. If you want to play more of a defensive game, Protect.

When used correctly is iffy, because if the AI starts setting up Double Team, Protect won't save you, while screens can prolong team member survivability and more of a chance to hit. They certainly both have positives and negatives, but I prefer screens.

thanks that really helped

BeachBoy November 21st, 2008 2:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treeko-kt (Post 4135655)
thanks that really helped

Glad to, anytime. Need any more Battle Tower help don't be afraid to contact me. ;o

Oh! And I forgot to mention, another reason Protect seems useful to people is the 'scouting' ability. This is useless. Why? This page that details Trainer's Pocket Monster detail. So scout for yourself, no need for protect to do it for you.

moments. November 21st, 2008 2:54 AM

My previous question wasn't answered so I guess I'll ask again.
What is a good set for a Jumpluff lead in OU?

Azonic November 21st, 2008 4:08 AM

Jumpluff @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Nature: Timid / Jolly
EVs: 188 Defense / 68 Special Defense / 252 Speed
- Encore
- Sleep Powder / U-turn
- Substitute
- Leech Seed

Simple annoying strategy and SubSeeding. It's one of the fastest SubSeeders.

dark_seeker November 21st, 2008 6:26 AM

can some1 list a few decent special sweepers who can be used along side dd mence and sd scizor!not counting gengar and heatran!this is for the battle tower and im tired of using gengar and heatran!

ABYAY November 21st, 2008 9:03 AM

[email protected] Belt (or Life Orb if you're going with wifi)
Timid nature, Natural Cure
252sp.atk/252speed/6HP

Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Psychic/Grass Knot

For the Battle Tower and your team, this serves as a Fire/Ice resist for the short time, and Starmie will take out other waters/fires aimed at your other two guys.

rlpLeYs November 21st, 2008 11:32 AM

What should I make with this? Or more so, should I make anything at all?

Mudkip - #258 (Impish)
HP: 26
Att: Invalid
Def: 25 - 26
SpA: 25 - 26
SpD: 25 - 26
Speed: 4 - 5

I was thinking.....

[email protected]
Impish Ev: 252 hp/60 defense/60 sp defense/138 attack
-Curse
-Stealth Rock
-Waterfall
-Earthquake

I did some quick math, and with 60 Ev in defense, and sp defense I get at least 300+ in both, I need max hp, and the rest into attack for stab.

BeachBoy November 21st, 2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4136147)
can some1 list a few decent special sweepers who can be used along side dd mence and sd scizor!not counting gengar and heatran!this is for the battle tower and im tired of using gengar and heatran!

Why do you need a Special Sweeper to pair with those two, anyway? o.o' In the Battle Tower, using cookie cutter Pocket Monsters like 2 physical & 1 special with absolutely no strategy will only go but so far. (Double Teaming will get you, and fast) Thus I encourage you to find another Pocket Monster (like a lead) that can not only get your team in the right direction, but solidify the chance of sweeping. There's plenty of strategies out there, you don't need to pack it full of three sweepers.

Ehhhh, just my two cents~

I'll post my Battle Tower team in a bit. :V

dark_seeker November 21st, 2008 11:09 PM

um..i have a slight stratergy..not really solid
salamance @focus sash
adamant
252spd/252att/6hp
dd
dragon claw
fire blast
EQ

after 1 dd outruns most and sweeps entire teams

scizor @leftys
252att/252spd/6hp
sd
x-scissor
iron head
roost

so many resistances not hard to setup

i got to 70 wins with this team and lost
i was using differnet fillers at the time
now i wanted one solid special sweeper
im thinking
[email protected] orb
will o wisp
flamethrower
dark pulse
np

will it work?

BeachBoy November 22nd, 2008 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4138132)
um..i have a slight stratergy..not really solid
salamance @focus sash
adamant
252spd/252att/6hp
dd
dragon claw
fire blast
EQ

after 1 dd outruns most and sweeps entire teams

scizor @leftys
252att/252spd/6hp
sd
x-scissor
iron head
roost

so many resistances not hard to setup

i got to 70 wins with this team and lost
i was using differnet fillers at the time
now i wanted one solid special sweeper
im thinking
[email protected] orb
will o wisp
flamethrower
dark pulse
np

will it work?

What natures do Houndoom and Scizor have? (Any EVs on Houndoom? o.o)

One Pocket Monster with Thunder Wave (or any crippling status, really) puts your entire team out of commission. Houndoom can buffer Will-o-wisp, but it'll never enjoy sleep or par.

A lot of threats stand out to me.

[ 466 Lapras Adamant Lum Berry Dragon Dance Body Slam Waterfall Confuse Ray HP/Atk ]
  • Confuse / possible par. Will set up in Salamence's face, DG or EQ won't do a whole lot thanks to Lapras' monster Hit Points. Once fast enough, Waterfall will have even more fun.
[ 522 Electrode Timid Shuca Berry Magnet Rise Charge Beam Hyper Beam Thunder Wave Sp. Atk/Speed ]
  • Say hello to your team's worst Nightmare, status.
[ 589 Jolteon Naughty Razor Claw Thunder Wave Thunderbolt Iron Tail Flash Atk/Sp. Atk/Speed ]
  • It'll wave any of them. You have Salamence to hit with Earthquake, but once your Dragon is paralyzed, your sweep is pretty much done for.
[ 739 Crobat Timid Lum Berry Hypnosis Roost Sludge Bomb Dark Pulse HP/Speed]
  • Hypnosis that outruns every member and Dark Pulse chews away with more flinching. D:
[ 880 Gyarados Adamant Chesto Berry Waterfall Earthquake Rest Dragon Dance Atk/Speed]

[ 893 Garchomp Jolly Focus Sash Earthquake Dragon Claw Fire Fang Crunch Atk/Speed]
  • Do I even have to say why here?
[ 908 Regigigas Careful Lum Berry Substitute Double Team Thunder Wave Return HP/Atk/Def ]
  • That'll really hurt if it sets up.

Oh, and Double Team Discharge Zapdos also runs through your team. :x I'm kinda surprised you even made it that far. Actually, double teamers like Rotom would toy around with you. (Thunder Waving you in the process)

And Palmer even looks to be quite a tough pill to swallow.

#21,
Milotic will hypnosis Mence then Ice Beam, or anyone then Hydro Pump.
Rhyperior laughs at every party member. Even if you have Earthquake, it'll Ice Beam. Scizor lives in fear of Flamethrower, even if you have Houndoom to absorb it, how do you stop it? Because Rhyperior resists it regardless, then Houndoom'll be afraid of Rock Wrecker. I guess you could let Houndoom die for Salamence to set up on the rest turn, but even then, its gotta walk through two very bulky Ice Beam Pocket Monsters.

#49,
Regigigas has Ice Punch for Mence, Brick Break for Houndoom; and Palmer has Heatran to bark Scizor up a tree. Cress just sets up Calm Minds, moonlights off any damage.

tl;dr
To me, I just don't see how you win in Tier 4 effectively. (Battles 49+)

dark_seeker November 22nd, 2008 1:19 AM

ok it has a alot of threats...looks like i very lucky
scizor is adamant
houndoom
jolly
252sp.att/252speed/6hp
i have been t-waved alot and i get haxed but jus cause im slower desnt mean they can ohko me
sala after one dd can ohko a majority of pokes
as for second palmer i carried a t-tar along with me
heatran and regigas died to Eq by sala
for cress t-tar ddes like 2 times and koed with crunch.
for the first palmer dragon claw took out dragonite.ryperoir got 2 koed byEq and i had 1 hp left
dc took 2/3rd s for milotics health and scizor came in and koed milotic
i have already got 100 wins but now i wanna try with different pokes.will the houndoom work?

BeachBoy November 22nd, 2008 1:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4138322)
ok it has a alot of threats...looks like i very lucky
scizor is adamant
houndoom
jolly
252sp.att/252speed/6hp
i have been t-waved alot and i get haxed but jus cause im slower desnt mean they can ohko me
sala after one dd can ohko a majority of pokes
as for second palmer i carried a t-tar along with me
heatran and regigas died to Eq by sala
for cress t-tar ddes like 2 times and koed with crunch.
for the first palmer dragon claw took out dragonite.ryperoir got 2 koed byEq and i had 1 hp left
dc took 2/3rd s for milotics health and scizor came in and koed milotic
i have already got 100 wins but now i wanna try with different pokes.will the houndoom work?

Yeah, but once your twaved, you're in a lot more trouble. Majority of them will set up, or Confuse you. We all know how much hax Battle Tower has, so it'll be more troublesome, just saying.

Oh, I didn't know you had Ttar when you faced him. I thought Houndoom has been there, I'll read better next time. XP

I'm not sure if Houndoom is the best option, but if you're willing to face a number a threats & status, go for it. I mean, you've got 100 so far, have some fun with different ones if you like then.

xPikaWhox November 22nd, 2008 3:32 AM

Ninetales...
 
Energy Ball's good for Ninetales..but i like Dark Pulse for Dusknoir or something..

The Hero Without a Name November 22nd, 2008 3:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4138322)
ok it has a alot of threats...looks like i very lucky
scizor is adamant
houndoom
jolly
252sp.att/252speed/6hp
i have been t-waved alot and i get haxed but jus cause im slower desnt mean they can ohko me
sala after one dd can ohko a majority of pokes
as for second palmer i carried a t-tar along with me
heatran and regigas died to Eq by sala
for cress t-tar ddes like 2 times and koed with crunch.
for the first palmer dragon claw took out dragonite.ryperoir got 2 koed byEq and i had 1 hp left
dc took 2/3rd s for milotics health and scizor came in and koed milotic
i have already got 100 wins but now i wanna try with different pokes.will the houndoom work?

Wait... Why is your Houndoom Jolly? That nature's only going to hinder him, as it reduces his SPATK.

dark_seeker November 22nd, 2008 4:09 AM

sorry
Quote:

Wait... Why is your Houndoom Jolly? That nature's only going to hinder him, as it reduces his SPATK.
o meant timid(and im asking wether it works i still need to breed one and train it or do i have other options?)

Pysncrono November 22nd, 2008 6:16 AM

Does anyone know of a good Bulk Up passer in UU?

Sora_8920 November 22nd, 2008 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pysncrono (Post 4138872)
Does anyone know of a good Bulk Up passer in UU?

Drifblim is a pretty good BP'er for UU.

Drifblim @ Petaya Berry / Liechi Berry
Trait: Unburden
EVs: 12 HP / 80 Def / 216 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
~Baton Pass
~Substitute
~Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball
~Hypnosis

Pysncrono November 22nd, 2008 6:33 AM

Umm.. Bulk Up passer, not any passer >>

Sora_8920 November 22nd, 2008 6:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pysncrono (Post 4138892)
Umm.. Bulk Up passer, not any passer >>

Oh right lol. Was thinking of Baton Pass atm. Sorry.

____________________________________________________

Well..there aren't any Pokémon who can use Bulk Up and Baton Pass in UU, actually. Just Bulk Up.

Pysncrono November 22nd, 2008 6:52 AM

Oh. Guess I'll have to stick to Scyther and Gorebyss then :P

Anyways after asking in the QnA thread, this is a little moveset I made for Dragonite:

SubBulkyNite
@ Leftovers
Adamant - Inner Focus
252 HP, 60 SpD, 196 Spe

- Roost
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Substitute

The idea is to Sub on the switch, then DD up. Roost when you get the chance. Dragon Claw for STAB and hitting every type for nuetral except steel. It would work best with a Magnezone.

Here are some calcs:

Vaporeon 56 SpA Ice Beam vs SubBulkyNite 75.6 - 90.1%
Vaporeon 56 SpA Ice Beam vs Roosting SubBulkyNite 37.8 - 45.1%

Timid Heatran Fire Blast vs SubBulkyNite 24.1 - 28.2%
Timid Heatran HP Ice vs SubBulkyNite 75.6 - 89.1%
Timid Heatran HP Ice vs Roosting SubBulkyNite 37.8 - 44.6%

Life Orb Gyarados Waterfall vs SubBulkyNite 24.3 - 28.7%
Life Orb Gyarados Stone Edge vs SubBulkyNite 81.8% - 96.9%
Life Orb Gyarados Stone Edge vs Roosting SubBulkyNite 40.9 - 48.4%

AS you can see, most Ice attacks do less than 50% while roosting, and you should outspeed most pokes anyways after 2 DD's

I have tested this, and it worked great, but I lost due to my crappy team at that time >.<

INTERPOL November 22nd, 2008 7:16 AM

does anyone have a good blastoise moveset with surf and icebeam?(leaf green)
or a pidgoet moveset.i think i want pidgeot to have featherdance and wing attack.

Detox November 22nd, 2008 8:26 AM

I was thinkng of traing a Rampardos to meet these standards.

Rampardos @ choice scarf
jolly
mold breaker
252 atk 252 spe 6 hp

Zen Headbutt
Head Smash/ Stone Edge
Earthquake
??????????

need help on deciding what the last move should be

ABYAY November 22nd, 2008 9:00 AM

[email protected] Scarf
Adamant/Jolly (Adamant for pure power, Jolly to outpace Gengar)
252atk/252speed/6sp.def

Stone Edge
EQ
Crunch/Pursuit/Head Smash
Pursuit/Head Smash

Zen Headbutt doesn't really offer coverage. Anyway, this set is your best bet for it unless you have a ton of para support. Stone Edge and EQ are your obvious moves. The third slot should probably use Crunch to smack Dusknoir and Cressy around. The 4th slot is just down to whatever you didn't use in the 3rd slot. Pursuit will hit a fleeing Gengar (which you outpace with Jolly. However, note that you only do about 60-75% unless it switches, but Crunch kills if you think it stays in) Head Smash is your general suicide move, stripping off a whopping 49-57% from Suicune. (2HKO with SR)

Pysncrono November 22nd, 2008 9:08 AM

^
If you want to use Ramp anyways, do so with either Trick Room or BP support. Also, its advised against as its weak to three priority moves, two out of which are common(Vacuum Wave & Mach Punch). But it is very viable, nonetheless

Zetta-Chan November 22nd, 2008 12:19 PM

I use Rampy all the time, but with a choice-scarf. he's useless without it. And I HATE the Rock Polish set, ewww. Anyways, for Rogue-Styrke.

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold Nature / Torrent
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpA
- Rest
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Toxic

Detox November 22nd, 2008 1:15 PM

Wailord @ Damp rock
Modest
Oblivious
252 Sp. Atk./ 200 Spe/ 52 Hp

Water Spout/Surf
Hidden power(ground)
Ice Beam/Blizzard
Rain Dance

Hows this for a Wailord on a rain dance team?

Keyaki November 22nd, 2008 2:22 PM

Need a good Psychic Pokemon to complete team for Platinum

Now have

Infernape
Floatzel
Carnivine
Staraptor
and Lucario

Just need a good Psychic type Pokemon

Pysncrono November 22nd, 2008 2:27 PM

Rotom formes, Dusknoir and Spiritomb are good choices.

Zetta-Chan November 22nd, 2008 6:25 PM

So I was thinking of a Dual-Screen Alakazam, similar to Deoxys-S, for my OU team. What do you guys think of this set? This is a leading set.

Alakazam @ Light Clay
Timid Nature / Inner Focus
252 Spe / 252 HP / 6 SpA
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Taunt
- Psychic

Pysncrono November 23rd, 2008 12:11 AM

It could work well in theory, but I doubt Alakazam will get both screens up since its not ver ybulky. Deo worked cause it had a fair amount of bulk backing the sped up.
If you want a dual screen lead, I think its best to stick to

Bronzong @ Light Clay
Sassy
EV's: 252HP / 144Def / 114SpD
Heatproof
~Light Screen
~Reflect
~Stealth Rock
~Gyro Ball

Granted you dont stop the opponents' rocks, but you get your own. Heatproof would be the good option as the popularity of Azelf and Infernape leads is going up, it may enable you to last that one crucial turn more to complete your setup.

Detox November 23rd, 2008 1:03 PM

Lol at novelty Alakazam...could it work?

[email protected] choice band
252 atk/252 spe/6 hp
Adamant
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Shadow Ball

luke November 23rd, 2008 1:11 PM

Shadow Ball is special. Go Psycho Blade / Zen Headbutt over it.

The Hero Without a Name November 23rd, 2008 1:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 4142765)
Lol at novelty Alakazam...could it work?

[email protected] choice band
252 atk/252 spe/6 hp
Adamant
-Ice Punch
-Fire Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Shadow Ball

lol it would if he had higher attack, but as it is, his ATK is unsalvageable xp

Keyaki November 23rd, 2008 2:12 PM

How is Gengar in the metagame

I know its a really good Pokemon but has it been shunned like Garchomp because of that fact or do ppl still use it?

EDIT: Also how are these EVs for a Physical Sweeper Floatzel?:

HP:252,Att:129,Spd: 110

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2008 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4142973)
How is Gengar in the metagame

I know its a really good Pokemon but has it been shunned like Garchomp because of that fact or do ppl still use it?

EDIT: Also how are these EVs for a Physical Sweeper Floatzel?:

HP:252,Att:129,Spd: 110

Garchomp's banned now, actually. But regardless, yeah, people still use it.

_______________________________

The EV's are fine if you don't want to use standard.

Keyaki November 23rd, 2008 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by . t R U T H (Post 4143026)
Garchomp's banned now, actually. But regardless, yeah, people still use it.

_______________________________

The EV's are fine if you don't want to use standard.

Thought so, but what do you mean by banned? I thought everyone decided that he is just too powerful for Wifi

and standard just means like a regular tier? not really sweeper or any other category?

EDIT: how about these for Floatzel, Physical Sweeper?:

HP: 40,Att: 2,Def: 252,Spd: 216

Shenzi November 23rd, 2008 2:48 PM

I don't use EVs, but what's a good moveset for a lax Infernape?

The Hero Without a Name November 23rd, 2008 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shenzi (Post 4143073)
I don't use EVs, but what's a good moveset for a lax Infernape?

Lax... LAX?

1) Lax is one of the most useless ass natures ever.
2) If you don't use EV's, nobody can give you a set. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Keyaki November 23rd, 2008 3:52 PM

Quote:

Lax... LAX?

1) Lax is one of the most useless ass natures ever.
Ouch, XDDDDDDDDDDDD

Quote:

2) If you don't use EV's, nobody can give you a set. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
true, EVs is essential probably the most important, if you don't have EVs, then we cant do anything for you :/



Anyways i gotta question about Choice Band on Staraptor

I tried it on Shoddy and while battling a Hitmontop with my Staraptor, the only move my Staraptor could use was Close Combat 0.o

Why?

Detox November 23rd, 2008 3:52 PM

Lax? um......... why dont you try Modest, Niave,Adamant,Jolly,Lonely,Naughty,or Timid?

Dark Azelf November 23rd, 2008 4:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4143239)
Ouch, XDDDDDDDDDDDD



true, EVs is essential probably the most important, if you don't have EVs, then we cant do anything for you :/



Anyways i gotta question about Choice Band on Staraptor

I tried it on Shoddy and while battling a Hitmontop with my Staraptor, the only move my Staraptor could use was Close Combat 0.o

Why?


Because thats what choice band does. It limits you to one move and increases the power of that move by 1.5 (50%), you can switch moves when you switch out.

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2008 4:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4143034)
Thought so, but what do you mean by banned? I thought everyone decided that he is just too powerful for Wifi

and standard just means like a regular tier? not really sweeper or any other category?

EDIT: how about these for Floatzel, Physical Sweeper?:

HP: 40,Att: 2,Def: 252,Spd: 216

I think it applies for Wi-fi and Shoddy. Not sure, though.

Standard means like...a certain generic set.

E.g;

[email protected] Scarf
Levitate
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest/Timid
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Trick
HP Ice / Thunderbolt.


^ That's pretty much what a standard set for Gengar is.

AdvanceMapper November 23rd, 2008 4:35 PM

Anyone rate my Rain Dance Team?
Electrive @ choice scarf
Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Fire Punch

[email protected] leftovers
Rain Dance
Giga Drain
Leech Seed
Synthesis

[email protected] nothing
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Earthquake
HP Electric

It's basic, so rate as you please.

Sora_8920 November 23rd, 2008 4:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvanceMapper (Post 4143374)
Anyone rate my Rain Dance Team?
Electrive @ choice scarf
Thunderpunch
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Fire Punch

[email protected] leftovers
Rain Dance
Surf
Leech Seed
Ice Beam

[email protected] Life Orb
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Stone Edge

It's basic, so rate as you please.

Critique in bold. I wouldn't recommend 'Vire as a lead; put Ludicolo as the lead.

Postman November 23rd, 2008 4:48 PM

[email protected] Damp Rock
Rain Dance
Grass Knot
Surf
Ice Beam

Detox November 23rd, 2008 7:54 PM

Since my trick room team failed like John McCain winning Presidency, I tried to revamp it with new members. Could someone rate these three members?

Rhypherior @ Life Orb
Brave/Solid Rock
252 atk/252 hp/6 def
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn


Slowking @ Lum Berry
Quiet/Own Tempo
252 sp. atk/ 250 sp. def/ 8 hp
-Trick Room
-Surf
-Grass Knot/Flamethrower/Nasty Plot
-Ice beam/Nasty Plot


Dragonite @ Life Orb
Quiet/Inner Focus
252 sp. atk/ 126 def/126 sp. def/6 atk (Unsure about EVs)
-Draco Meteor
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Superpower

help on movesets and EVs would be appreciated.

~Kavin~ November 23rd, 2008 8:02 PM

can someone help me out with a quilava rash nature with blaze. I was thinking

explosion
overheat
flamethrower
hp grass/smokescreen/toxic

I have no clue for a hold item and I don't know if the iv's match up for hp grass

Aurafire November 23rd, 2008 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 4143786)
Since my trick room team failed like John McCain winning Presidency, I tried to revamp it with new members. Could someone rate these three members?

Rhypherior @ Life Orb
Brave/Solid Rock
252 atk/252 hp/6 def
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn

Mhmm


Slowking @Leftovers
Quiet/Own Tempo
212 HP / 44 Def / 252 Sp Att
-Trick Room
-Surf
-Grass Knot/Flamethrower/Nasty Plot
-Ice beam/HP Electric/Nasty Plot

Go with those EV's. Calm mind is also an option...The last slots are really preference, but NP is always nice to boost his power.


Dragonite @ Life Orb
Quiet/Inner Focus
252 sp. atk/ 126 def/126 sp. def/6 atk (Unsure about EVs)
-Draco Meteor
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Superpower

Unsure about this...Dragonite seems a bit too fast for trick room, even with the quiet nature. If you're going mixed, you shouldn't really be wasting EVs on his defenses. I'd shift some to Attack and HP.

help on movesets and EVs would be appreciated.

"Since my trick room team failed like John McCain winning Presidency"

^eww...McCain could epicly pull of a Trick Room team.

You'll need a bit of support from your other team members, but it's a decent start I suppose.

luke November 23rd, 2008 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treeko-kt (Post 4143797)
can someone help me out with a quilava rash nature with blaze. I was thinking

Focus Punch
overheat
flamethrower
hp grass/ice/smokescreen/toxic

I have no clue for a hold item and I don't know if the iv's match up for hp grass

Quilava / Typhlosion cannot learn Explosion. Focus Punch so you're not walled by Snorlax / Blissey / Heatran.

~Kavin~ November 23rd, 2008 8:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britney Spears (Post 4143851)
Quilava / Typhlosion cannot learn Explosion. Focus Punch so you're not walled by Snorlax / Blissey / Heatran.

sorry I meant eruption. And since it hits two opponents, it would be handy in two on two battles right? and any advice for a hold item?

ABYAY November 23rd, 2008 9:03 PM

Here's your standard fare Typhlosion

Scarf lead
[email protected] Scarf
Mild or Rash
144atk/252sp.atk/112 speed

Eruption
Focus Punch
Overheat/Will-o-Wisp
HP Ice/Earthquake

Typhlosion is a great starter with a massive 150 BP Eruption at hand, and it will always start at full power thanks to it leading and SR isn't out yet. Focus Punch with the atk EVs 2HKOs Blissey easily. Overheat takes place for the main STAB when Eruption gets weak, but Will-O-Wisp is always fun to toy with. HP Ice is strongly perferred over Earthquake, but it does destroy Flash Fire Pokemon like Heatran and Houndoom easily.

dark_seeker November 24th, 2008 1:57 AM

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:3lQVqG-AWoX_-M:http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/3518/tyranitarfh8.jpg

Tyranitar @ lum berry
Adamant; 252 Atk, 160 Spd, 92 Def, 6 HP
Sandstorm stream
~ Dragon Dance
~ Crunch
~ Stone Edge/Rock Slide
~ Earthquake

how would this guy work in the tower.i know people would go 252att/252speed/6hp but supposing i would use this spread.would it work??
slightly bulky.

Detox November 24th, 2008 11:45 AM

Magnezone @ Life Orb
Modest/Magnet pull
252 sp. atk/252 def/ 6 hp
-Thunderbolt/Discharge
-Hidden Power Fire
-Flash Cannon
-Explosion

Could this work on a trick room set?

Keyaki November 24th, 2008 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4143321)
Because thats what choice band does. It limits you to one move and increases the power of that move by 1.5 (50%), you can switch moves when you switch out.

It randomly chooses the move?

Quote:

Standard means like...a certain generic set.

E.g;

[email protected] Scarf
Levitate
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest/Timid
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Trick
HP Ice / Thunderbolt.


^ That's pretty much what a standard set for Gengar is.
So like on the regular/common ground?

Lalapizzame November 24th, 2008 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyaki (Post 4145322)
It randomly chooses the move?



So like on the regular/common ground?

No, it doesn't, YOU are the person with the power to choose the move.

Detox November 25th, 2008 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 4144728)
Magnezone @ Life Orb
Modest/Magnet pull
252 sp. atk/252 def/ 6 hp
-Thunderbolt/Discharge
-Hidden Power Fire
-Flash Cannon
-Explosion

Could this work on a trick room set?


Still looking for an answer

Lalapizzame November 25th, 2008 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Kairyu (Post 4147000)
Still looking for an answer

If you really want to use it in that kind of team, use Quiet, to be even faster while Trick Room is still activated.

The Hero Without a Name November 25th, 2008 11:35 AM

I know he's rare nowadays, but wouldn't Skarmory be a great switch-in to Scizor?

Dark Azelf November 25th, 2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 4147098)
I know he's rare nowadays, but wouldn't Skarmory be a great switch-in to Scizor?

Yep its a pretty decent check/counter to it.


However, watch out for the occasional LO SD Super Power

66.17% - 77.54%

252 hp / 200 def skarmory takes that from adamant +2 LO Super Power

Just stay at high health and sure.

Silhouette November 25th, 2008 1:27 PM

I'm in need for a moveset (and possibly an ev spread) for a Hasty Frosslass (preferably a special sweeper). Thx

luke November 25th, 2008 3:41 PM

Froslass @ Choice Specs / Life Orb
Nature: Hasty (Timid is preferred but whatever)
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Speed / 252 SAtk
Ability: Snow Cloak

Ice Beam
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
HP [Fighting ] / Thunder Wave / Spikes (If you can't get HP Fighting)

Detox November 25th, 2008 4:32 PM

Wll thats a posible 4 members down...could someone kive me sets for Registeel and rock for a trick room team?

Keyaki November 25th, 2008 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalapizzame (Post 4145548)
No, it doesn't, YOU are the person with the power to choose the move.


yea i see it now i just tried it on Diamond, though it seemed different on Shoddy....:/

Skip Shot November 25th, 2008 9:13 PM

Well I was thinking of my birthday tmrw a nice anti-lead for a UU team. What pokesin UU get SR, Taunt, and Explosion?

dark_seeker November 25th, 2008 11:25 PM

does anyone know a pokemon who can use sub and setup sword dance apart form garchomp.

ABYAY November 26th, 2008 12:54 AM

Heracross and Lucario are two big ones in that line. Get a Sub, Swords Dance, and then try to Sub down to a Salac Berry, and proceed to sweep.

Angelic Diablo November 26th, 2008 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sc4rfCh0mp (Post 4148449)
Well I was thinking of my birthday tmrw a nice anti-lead for a UU team. What pokesin UU get SR, Taunt, and Explosion?

Probopass, Steelix and Sudowoodo.

BeachBoy November 26th, 2008 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_seeker (Post 4148645)
does anyone know a pokemon who can use sub and setup sword dance apart form garchomp.

Heracross, Gliscor, Infernape, Lucario, Scizor, Weavile, Rhyperior, Leafeon...

Yeah, those came to mind first. ._.; There's over a hundred Pocket Monsters that can learn Swords Dance + Substitute if I recall correctly, just gotta find what you need in terms of resistances, etc and who fits the niche in that slot of your Battle Tower team.

Banjora Marxvile November 26th, 2008 7:50 AM

Can I have a good moveset for a Special Sweeper Gengar please? I'm thinking of Thunderbolt, Shadow ball, Focus Blast and Will O Wisp.


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