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Lucario is an okay special sweeper. SpecsLuke is cool:
Lucario @ Choice Specs Modest 252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP Aura Sphere/Focus Blast Vacuum Wave Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball Dragon Pulse/HP Ice 2HKO's standard Bliss with Focus Blast, which is awesome. Bold Blissey (252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD) gets 2HKO'd by Aura Sphere. It's a matter of accuracy vs. power. Focus Blast is Base 180, whereas Aura Sphere is Base 135. Gengar has too many sets, but I'll list my personal favorite; Choice Scarf revenge killer: Gengar @ Choice Scarf Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/6 HP Shadow Ball HP Ice Focus Blast Thunderbolt Timid is reccomended to outspeed Deoxys-e, even if it has Max Speed. It doesn't really hit hard, but it's still amazing at revenge killing. |
oh thanks for the tips Vance!^_^, um if Lucario ain't really a good choice what would work as a good replacement?
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No problem ^_^
Lucario is a good special sweeper, just that he's overshadowed by his other set; Swords Dance sweeper. A really good sweeper that's slightly underrated would be Mismagius. I know Anti would kill me if I did smother it with positive attatchments, but it is actually quite good: Mismagius @ Leftovers Timid 108 HP/164 SpA/238 Spe Shadow Ball HP Fighting Calm Mind Substitute Blissey won't be beating this Special Sweeper. Of course, there are others. Another personal favorite is Togekiss: Togekiss @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Life Orb Modest 252 HP/154 SpA/104 Spe Air Slash Nasty Plot Aura Sphere Roost Blissey can't stall this either without T-Wave or more preferably Toxic. The safest counter for this is Zapdos; resisting both STABs. |
I'm trying to decide, but I just can't. What's better on Weavile Ice Punch or Ice Shard?
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Ice Shard suits 'Vile better as a sheer revenge killer. Ice Punch has it's uses in some cases. Sadly, even after taking STAB in account, Ice Shard is still weaker than unSTAB'd Ice Punch. As a pure sweeper, Ice Punch is generally superior. Still, Weavile makes a pretty mediocre sweeper, but an excellent revenge killer.
In short, I'd go Ice Shard. |
Ice Punch >> Ice Shard, for a main reason. Yache Berry Garchomp has become the standard, far superior to ScarfChomp. Ice Punch OHKO's through Yache Berry, and Weavile outspeeds Garchomp commonly, making it a good revenge killer to it.
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Unless of course, it's a ScarfChomp, which is growing in popularity suddenly (I fought 6 on the Official Server just this night) I dunno, it may be my biased opinion, but I feel Weavile isn't a good sweeper, and makes a decent revenge killer.
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weavile finishes off because of his speed his attacks arent good
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when i used him he totally sucked
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This is my team so far.
Heracross Megahorn Close Combat Stone Edge Pursuit Nature: Adamant EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Choice Scarf Ability: Guts Heracross starts as the starter of my team. Tyranitar Crunch Earthquake Dragon Dance Stone Edge Nature: Jolly EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Focus Sash Focus Sash will allow it a chance to set up a dragon dance or possibly act as a revenge killer. Garchomp Outrage Earthquake Swords Dance Nature: Jolly EV: 252 atk/sp, 4 hp Item: Yache Berry Typical Garchomp set up. Hopefully Tyranitar will come out before Garchomp for the added bonus of it's ability to activate. I can't decide on the remaining 3 pokemon. What I would like for them is to be able to survive sandstorm wether it be an immunity or leftovers to be equipped. Also I was looking for them to be 2 defensive pokemon and 1 offensive with one of those being able to set up toxic spikes, stealth rock, or spikes. Can anyone help with pokemon suggestions? I'll figure out the moveset and EV spread on my own. |
if you want defense id say blissey or snorlax
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Does the Skarm-Bliss work anymore?
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i think it does but im not sure it most probably does
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Blissey I'm a little hesitant about using since sandstorm really cuts into it surviving. What are some of the other special walls?
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The only ones I can think of that aren't effected by the Sand, don't really work as walls since they lack instant recovery moves
Registeel, Empoleon, Bronzong are the ones I'm talking about Besides using a whole team based on one weather condition doesn't really work nowadays, Blissey is fine in the Sand anyway since her Leftovers negate the Sandstorm damage and she has Softboiled to heal herself with |
I wasn't actually trying for a particular team based on weather condition anyway it just sort of turned out that way. I first started out with using Garchomp found Tyranitar was better than Hippowdon (IMO). Thought a scarf heracross would make a good choice as a starter. Then I started thinking about defensive pokemon that I could switch heracross with and garchomp if I ran into a Focus band weavile with an EV spread of 252 atk/sp. Anyway I thought that blissey sort of reliead on the leftovers a bit because it recovers like 40hp every turn. So physical walls are skarmory, gliscor, bronzong. Any idea for an offensive pokemon as a final slot. Since my team is mostly physical orientated special would be the likely choice than.
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suicune,breloom special sweeper preffered but anyother will do if effective |
I used Focus Blast on Gengar, it's accuracy is horrid...Aura Sphere never misses...
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Second, even thought Dustox has a nice attacking movepool, it is a defensive pokemon. So: @Leftovers 252 EV HP/84 Def/90 SpA/84 SpD Calm/Modest/Bold nature ~Bug Buzz ~Sludge Bomb/Shadow Ball/Energy Ball/Psychic (the only pokemon that are weak to Posion and not Bug are Jumpluff, Breloom, Tropius and Sky Forme Shaymin, and Posion is a horrid attacking type, so it's not neccesery) ~Roost ~Toxic/Light Screen |
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can some1 please tell me a decent special sweeper which is not gengar for the battle tower
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