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Zurich August 28th, 2008 10:02 AM

Keep in mind that charge beam is a special move. So an adamant nature wont be good.
use this moveset then:
Rash/naive
Charge beam
Hiper Beam
roar
crunch/ice fang

FinalPaladin August 28th, 2008 10:03 AM

hey thanx i was thinkin about iron tail but remember,i aint breedin my luxray

Zurich August 28th, 2008 10:03 AM

Keep in mind that charge beam is a special move. So an adamant nature wont be good.
use this moveset then:
Rash/naive
Charge beam
Hiper Beam
roar
crunch

FinalPaladin August 28th, 2008 10:06 AM

how about
charge beam
thunder wave
crunch
irontail

Walrein August 28th, 2008 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3887084)
hey thanx i was thinkin about iron tail but remember,i aint breedin my luxray

Just don't be suprised when you lose to pokemon you could OHKO with Ice Fang.

FinalPaladin August 28th, 2008 10:10 AM

wait,why do people find roar such a great move.where do i get the tm thunder wave on pearl

. August 28th, 2008 10:10 AM

...Wha? Honestly, there is no real challenge ingame, except for maybe the Battle Tower.

FinalPaladin August 28th, 2008 10:15 AM

i no i no but i just wanna smash my freind even more

Walrein August 28th, 2008 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 3887106)
...Wha? Honestly, there is no real challenge ingame, except for maybe the Battle Tower.

So why even play at the first place? In equal levels, the league is a great challange (Spiritomb lead), not to mention the Battle Tower...just because you can beat that Lv 22 Pikachu in one Thunder Fang doesn't mean that's the best of the game.
By the same manner I bred Meditate with Kadabra for Psycho Cut. for all of the advance preiod, it made me mad Medicham had no physical Psychic STAB, what made me so glad to see it can learn a new physical Psychic-type move. From that moment, Weezing would never dare get close to Medicham agian. Fighting/Psychic is actually a good combination agianst other Fighting-types, as it not only resusts Fighting, but also Rock. Just remember Spiritomb and Sableye are immune to both STAB attacks...

. August 28th, 2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalPaladin (Post 3887119)
i no i no but i just wanna smash my freind even more

If you are playing against a friend who EV trains. You're going to lose.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3887133)
So why even play at the first place? In equal levels, the league is a great challange (Spiritomb lead), not to mention the Battle Tower...just because you can beat that Lv 22 Pikachu in one Thunder Fang doesn't mean that's the best of the game.

What? Spiritomb lead? The league is not a challenge whatsoever. Cynthia has Giga Impact Garchomp, and your rival uses Night Slash Heracross (Megahorn is MUCH superior)

By the same manner I bred Meditate with Kadabra for Psycho Cut. for all of the advance preiod, it made me mad Medicham had no physical Psychic STAB, what made me so glad to see it can learn a new physical Psychic-type move. From that moment, Weezing would never dare get close to Medicham agian. Fighting/Psychic is actually a good combination agianst other Fighting-types, as it not only resusts Fighting, but also Rock. Just remember Spiritomb and Sableye are immune to both STAB attacks...

Yup, Medicham is an absolute beast. Although Spiritomb completely walls you, if you pair it with Heatran, you'll beat Spiritomb 100% of the time.

Little nitpicks.

Walrein August 28th, 2008 10:30 AM

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What? Spiritomb lead? The league is not a challenge whatsoever. Cynthia has Giga Impact Garchomp, and your rival uses Night Slash Heracross (Megahorn is MUCH superior)
I would use Night Slash on Heracross as well, as-to remind you-Ghost-types are not only immune to Fighting, but are also Bug resist. Gengar and Drifblim have a X1/4 resistance to Bug. Special-hitiing Ghosts (excluding Rotom) can also Psychic it to oblivion.
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Yup, Medicham is an absolute beast. Although Spiritomb completely walls you, if you pair it with Heatran, you'll beat Spiritomb 100% of the time.
Heathran? Just use a Scrappy Focus Punch Miltank. Ghost immune and hits super-effective.

. August 28th, 2008 10:42 AM

Miltank does not get a Flash Fire boost, and Spiritomb could easily just...Uh, you know, ATTACK Miltank while Focus Punching. I don't know where the hell that came from.

Any unSTAB'd Psychic is very lol. There's a chance it won't even OHKO Heracross, since he DOES have a respectable 95 Base SpD. Things like Alakazam cannot come in on anything bar Close Combat, and even that does a hefty chunk taking Alakazam's piss-poor defenses.

Walrein August 28th, 2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 3887193)
Miltank does not get a Flash Fire boost, and Spiritomb could easily just...Uh, you know, ATTACK Miltank while Focus Punching. I don't know where the hell that came from.

Any unSTAB'd Psychic is very lol. There's a chance it won't even OHKO Heracross, since he DOES have a respectable 95 Base SpD. Things like Alakazam cannot come in on anything bar Close Combat, and even that does a hefty chunk taking Alakazam's piss-poor defenses.

Miltank can Substitude on Spiritomb's WOW, and then give it a Focus Punch.
Why lol? I use it on my Ghosts.

Dark Destiny August 28th, 2008 10:50 AM

Hm... if i use my roost tm on togekiss... that'll mean i won't have any in the future...
is there a way to aquire another one?

. August 28th, 2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3887202)
Miltank can Substitude on Spiritomb's WOW, and then give it a Focus Punch.
Why lol? I use it on my Ghosts.

Why? Besides the fact that it's unSTAB'd and Base 90? Don't use Psychic unless it's STAB'd.

Zurich August 28th, 2008 10:59 AM

You can use a kangaskhan subpuncher instead of miltank.

[email protected] leftovers
-Skrappy
-adamant
Substitute
focus punch
sucker punch
Return

Romo_Owens August 28th, 2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3886043)
Ice Punch >> Ice Shard, for a main reason. Yache Berry Garchomp has become the standard, far superior to ScarfChomp. Ice Punch OHKO's through Yache Berry, and Weavile outspeeds Garchomp commonly, making it a good revenge killer to it.

~T_S

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vance (Post 3885819)
Ice Shard suits 'Vile better as a sheer revenge killer. Ice Punch has it's uses in some cases. Sadly, even after taking STAB in account, Ice Shard is still weaker than unSTAB'd Ice Punch. As a pure sweeper, Ice Punch is generally superior. Still, Weavile makes a pretty mediocre sweeper, but an excellent revenge killer.

In short, I'd go Ice Shard.

Well Ok, both obviously have their uses, but I was going for this moveset:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard/Ice Punch
-Night Slash

Of course Night Slash is preferable with the strongest STAB Dark move, but what if I changed it to:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard
-Ice Punch

and got rid of night slash?

Dark Azelf August 28th, 2008 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3887353)
Well Ok, both obviously have their uses, but I was going for this moveset:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard/Ice Punch
-Night Slash

Of course Night Slash is preferable with the strongest STAB Dark move, but what if I changed it to:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard
-Ice Punch

and got rid of night slash?

Nah, or bulky psychic's like Cress wall you, if they dont switch

-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard /-Ice Punch
-Night Slash

Pretty much what you want, its up to you which move you choose Punch or shard that would benefit your team more.

Although i have preference for Shard as it bypasses speed boosts on Yanmega, and Ninjask and lets you revenge dragon dancers (aka nite and mence).

Zurich August 28th, 2008 3:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo_Owens (Post 3887353)
Well Ok, both obviously have their uses, but I was going for this moveset:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard/Ice Punch
-Night Slash

Of course Night Slash is preferable with the strongest STAB Dark move, but what if I changed it to:

Choice Band
-Pursuit
-Brick Break
-Ice Shard
-Ice Punch

and got rid of night slash?




How about this moveset?
Pursuit
Ice punch/ice shard
Brick break
Night slash/aerial ace

and for evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Speed

latioslegends August 28th, 2008 8:50 PM

Quote:

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Timid
108 HP/164 SpA/238 Spe
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting
Calm Mind
Substitute

Blissey won't be beating this Special Sweeper. Of course, there are others. Another personal favorite is Togekiss:

Togekiss @ Leftovers/Lum Berry/Life Orb
Modest
252 HP/154 SpA/104 Spe
Air Slash
Nasty Plot
Aura Sphere
Roost
Thanks once more for all your help Vance!^_^ Just a question what is a good stratagey for mismaguis, and meh I never found togekiss to useful^^;

Um does this work at all as a good team? edit all you want or add and remove some I would really appreciate any assistance!

Azelf
moves stealth rock/taunt/psychic/explosion
Ev 4 atk/252 sp atk/252 speed
nature naive
item ?

Sceptile
moves endure/endeavor/quick atk/leaf storm
Ev 4 def/252 sp atk/252 speed
nature modest
item ?

hippowdon
moves ice fang/earthquake/stealth rock/slack off
Ev 252 HP/16 Atk/152 Def/88 speed
nature impish
item leftovers

Weavile
Moves ice punch/pursuit/brick break/night slash
Ev 40 hp/252 atk/216 speed
nature jolly
item expert belt

Blissy
moves seismoc toss/ice beam/Aromatherapy/softboiled
Ev 252 hp/252 def/4 sp def
nature bold
item leftovers

Garchomp
moves /swords dance/fire fang/dragon claw/earthquake
Ev 4 hp/252 atk/252 speed
nature jolly
item life orb (maybe yache berry?)

I was thinking of changing garchomp to salamence, but I'll like to get any advice on this including the rest of my team from anyone^_^

Moi. August 29th, 2008 5:31 AM

This is the porygon-Z i use, but im not too sure on how its going. could i get any improvements?


Porygon Z @ Life Orb
Download
Modest
252 Sp Atk, 252 HP, 4 Sp Def
-Tri Attack
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Dark Pulse

Walrein August 29th, 2008 5:46 AM

Drifblim:
~With 31 HP IVs, can I just use no HP EVs and pass those to defense?
~Hypnosis, Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball and...
~Is a good abuse of Unburden a good idea?

LethalTexture August 29th, 2008 5:47 AM

The one I found most useful is:

Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Trait: Adaptability

- Tri-Attack
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Dark Pulse

I used this a while back, it may not be as effective in today's game.

. August 29th, 2008 7:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latioslegends (Post 3888677)
Thanks once more for all your help Vance!^_^ Just a question what is a good stratagey for mismaguis, and meh I never found togekiss to useful^^;

Um does this work at all as a good team? edit all you want or add and remove some I would really appreciate any assistance!

Azelf
moves stealth rock/taunt/psychic/explosion
Ev 4 atk/252 sp atk/252 speed
nature naive
item ?

Sceptile
moves endure/endeavor/quick atk/leaf storm
Ev 4 def/252 sp atk/252 speed
nature modest
item ?

hippowdon
moves ice fang/earthquake/stealth rock/slack off
Ev 252 HP/16 Atk/152 Def/88 speed
nature impish
item leftovers

Weavile
Moves ice punch/pursuit/brick break/night slash
Ev 40 hp/252 atk/216 speed
nature jolly
item expert belt

Blissy
moves seismoc toss/ice beam/Aromatherapy/softboiled
Ev 252 hp/252 def/4 sp def
nature bold
item leftovers

Garchomp
moves /swords dance/fire fang/dragon claw/earthquake
Ev 4 hp/252 atk/252 speed
nature jolly
item life orb (maybe yache berry?)

I was thinking of changing garchomp to salamence, but I'll like to get any advice on this including the rest of my team from anyone^_^


I find Mismagius to ONLY be useful in late game. Otherwise, phazers or physical attacks will ruin your fun. Bring it in on Blissey, because she will never break your Sub after a CM (or prior to that really) Seismic Toss won't work. She basically becomes set up fodder.

Romo_Owens August 29th, 2008 8:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zurich (Post 3887986)
How about this moveset?
Pursuit
Ice punch/ice shard
Brick break
Night slash/aerial ace

and for evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Speed

That's pretty much the exact same moveset that I proposed except with the added option of Aerial Ace which I'm not even considering because aside from countering Heracross, it really has no purpose and Night Slash is just a lot more important.

Both punch and Shard are incredibly viable which is why I'm having such a hard time deciding. Shard destroys DD Mence and Nite, will still do about 25% to a Gyarados that has picked up DD, and it OHKOs scarfchomp. It also receives the bonus of being the only priority move on my team.
Punch however is Weaviles strongest STAB move (Barring Dark Pulse) and OHKOs a Yachechomp.


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