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Xairmo September 22nd, 2008 5:51 PM

Well I was thinking that with the new installment of the Move Tutor in Platinum, that it is now possible to make a great mixed sweeper out of Azelf. Any ideas?

Archer September 22nd, 2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Xairmo (Post 3964402)
Well I was thinking that with the new installment of the Move Tutor in Platinum, that it is now possible to make a great mixed sweeper out of Azelf. Any ideas?

T_S had a CB set, you should ask him.

@King Lucario - You may have less than 31 IVs. That would be the problem.
It depends on the set you run. All of the standards run 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd aside from CBCross, which runs 104 HP/252 Atk/152 Spd. What do you want to run?
As for attacks, most sets run Megahorn, Close Combat and Stone Edge.

BeachBoy September 22nd, 2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Lucario (Post 3963988)
Okay. I have now officially started EV training again and I decided to EV train my (coincidentally) Adamant Heracross that I had lying around in my Pearl PC. Now, I have a few questions regarding this Heracross. Here they are:

1. My Heracross is Adamant, which means it gains an increase in Attack and a decrease in Special Attack. My Heracross' Attack is currently 105 at Lv.27. However, after a while of searching, I kept coming across the conclusion that at Lv.27, a fully EV'd Attack Stat Heracross should have an Attack Stat of 106. I want to make sure that I am not missing 4 EVs because I need to start EVing other stats. Is that Attack stat wrong or right?

2. Heracross is a physical Pokemon, no doubt. However, I am currently lost as to what stat I should EV. Should I EV HP in order to withstand attacks or EV Speed in order to strike quickly and inflict as much damage as possible?

3. The last question. Since Heracross is a physical Pokemon, what attacks should I put on it? I plan to start WiFi battling now and I need a good moveset. I already know that I should put Stone Edge on there, but what other four attacks should I put?


Thank you for your time in helping me fix my Heracross.

This is sort of a post just to bump you on the next page.

>>

Anyhow, I merged your thread into this. Generally the main forum area is for (I suppose I could say "major") discussion and full team threads. And since you're asking about the set and all that jazz, it belongs in this sticky instead. :D So yeah.

I've become merge happy > delete happy lately. :> Huzzah

Walrein September 23rd, 2008 2:25 AM

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Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3963320)
Wow, 'Cham got priority? perhaps now he's gonna be viable without that damn scarf :|

But yeah, I second shedinjask's post.

It's an egg move in D/P/Pl, the point is: it's not legal with Psycho Cut as far as I know, so Zen Headbutt is neccesey with it.

Sexycheese September 23rd, 2008 2:36 AM

Im back!
Does anyone have any good ideas for a executor? Im kinda stuck, should I abuse sunny day or trick room? Thanks

Walrein September 23rd, 2008 2:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3965096)
Im back!
Does anyone have any good ideas for a executor? Im kinda stuck, should I abuse sunny day or trick room? Thanks

Sunny day is sort of a dinner-bell for anything with a powerul Fire attack, but it does assist Exeggutor use HP Fire, as well as Synthesis/Moonlight. You can also try Sludge Bomb for other Grass-types.

Sexycheese September 23rd, 2008 3:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3965119)
Sunny day is sort of a dinner-bell for anything with a powerul Fire attack, but it does assist Exeggutor use HP Fire, as well as Synthesis/Moonlight. You can also try Sludge Bomb for other Grass-types.

Thanks :) could I use sunny day and then switch to a water type? Use an executor as bait? do you think that should work or should I just try and smack it with the best attack vicable?

Walrein September 23rd, 2008 3:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3965121)
Thanks :) could I use sunny day and then switch to a water type? Use an executor as bait? do you think that should work or should I just try and smack it with the best attack vicable?

No, because that will weaken Water-type moves. I would go with a Rain-team insted.

Sexycheese September 23rd, 2008 3:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3965122)
No, because that will weaken Water-type moves. I would go with a Rain-team insted.

True, That would be sensible, Im just trying to find a really wacky stratagy thats rarely seen. Using mad movesets on common pokemon and such. (Why I use Ditto lol )

Walrein September 23rd, 2008 3:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3965127)
True, That would be sensible, Im just trying to find a really wacky stratagy thats rarely seen. Using mad movesets on common pokemon and such. (Why I use Ditto lol )

I'll post my Platinum team now, so you can adopt my ideas.

Sexycheese September 23rd, 2008 3:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Froslass (Post 3965156)
I'll post my Platinum team now, so you can adopt my ideas.

Thanks a lot! I can battle but I want to stand out from the crowd and have really unusual battle stratagys.
You have platinum? I cant get it yet >.<

LethalTexture September 23rd, 2008 6:44 AM

This is probably complete fail, and I made it more as a joke than serious, but I think with a little work it might be viable. Tell me what you think:

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 6 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Waterfall
- Thunder/HP Grass
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Dance

Mixed Gyarados anyone? DDance is there obviously to boost speed and power up those Waterfalls, and from the off it looks like your bread and butter DDLO set. Granted the element of suprise could be ruined once you fire off a special. With Thunder, it could be useful on a Rain Dance team, plus countering the standard DDLO Gyara set. Ice Beam laughs at other intimidators, namely Mence. Flamethrower/Fire Blast is also worth a mention over the electric attacks to ruin Forry's day, but don't use them on a Rain Dance team for obvious reasons. HP Grass helps with Swampert.

CALCS:

Waterfall vs. [20 HP] Scarf Heatran after 1 DD
Defender HP: 328
Damage: 393 - 463
Damage: 119.82% - 141.16%

Thunder vs [252 HP] Skarmory
Defender HP: 334
Damage: 308 - 363
Damage: 92.22% - 108.68%

Thunder vs [160 HP] Starmie
Defender HP: 301
Damage: 264 - 311
Damage: 87.71% - 103.32%

Ice Beam vs. [120 HP] Salamence
Defender HP: 361
Damage: 441 - 519
Damage: 122.16% - 143.77%
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Walrein September 23rd, 2008 7:03 AM

CB Blissey is also a suprise.
In other words: no, expeciallt not with DD.

FinalPaladin September 23rd, 2008 7:43 AM

hi again.are these good sets for roserade

special1...........................Special2........................physical
sludge bomb...................sludebomb....................poisonjab
energyball/gigadrain.......leech seed...................petaldance/razorleaf
sunnyday/raindance..........shadowball..................swordsdance
weatherball......................extrasensory...............return/toxic/attract/grasswhisle

healer
synthesis/ingrain
grasswhistel
gigadrain
leechseed

Raging_Lugia September 23rd, 2008 9:17 AM

i barely understand all this Sweeper stuff lol
its all new to me even tho i have ever pokemon game

ChamsRock September 23rd, 2008 10:35 AM

I'm the same. Anyways, a few questions/requests. First, does Toxic Spikes poison Fliers and pokemon who levitate as well? Also, can I have a moveset for a special sweeper Roserade and mixed Infernape please?

shedinjask September 23rd, 2008 12:47 PM

No, no, and sure.

Roserade @ Choice Scarf
252 SAttk/enough Spd to reach 406 stat after Scarf, rest in HP -- Modest
Leaf Storm
HP Ice/Fire/Ground
Shadow Ball/Weather Ball/Energy Ball
Sleep Powder/Weather Ball/Energy Ball

Infernape @ Life Orb
24 Attk/252 SAttk/228 Spd -- Naive/Hasty
Close Combat
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot/HP Ice

Supreme Dirt September 23rd, 2008 1:31 PM

Alrighty, I'm looking at making an Outrage Swords Dance Venusaur, Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe, Sleep Powder/Outrage/Swords Dance, What should I go for as it's last move, either Seed Bomb (120 power after STAB) or Earthquake (more coverage, I think...). Keep in mind this is for an UU team.

El Gofre September 23rd, 2008 1:44 PM

Wow, everybody's getting something new.
EQ gets my vote.

ChamsRock September 23rd, 2008 1:46 PM

Thank you very much Shedinjask.

I agree, EQ seems better.

Supreme Dirt September 23rd, 2008 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3966164)
Wow, everybody's getting something new.
EQ gets my vote.

Hrrm... I just had a thought of some Excel thing I saw on Smogon that checks the average damage of all your moves, I'll check into that and update my post.

*EDIT*
UU
Seed Bomb/Outrage get about 71.37% coverage over all of UU after 1 Swords Dance
Earthquake/Outrage get about 69.69% coverage over all of UU after 1 Swords Dance

This also holds true with Standard and Uber, though with different percentages. Keep in mind this is a weighted averaged out based on max Defense and HP of all Pokemon allowed in the tier and usage. Surprisingly, Seed Bomb/Outrage get more coverage in Uber than in Standard, although Venusaur is not viable in uber.

The thing is, based on threats to venusaur what should I use?

shedinjask September 23rd, 2008 2:49 PM

Try Seed Bomb and Earthquake. Outrage isn't that good without STAB imo.

Also link to the app please?

ChamsRock September 23rd, 2008 2:53 PM

EQ is good for fire, Seed Bomb can't do much against Flying or Fire.

On my Gyarados, should I lose Aqua Tail for Hydro Pump?
Also, DDance, what should I get rid of for it?

Aqua Tail/Hydro Pump
Dragon Rage
Bite
Ice Fang

Thank you.

. September 23rd, 2008 3:08 PM

Um...WHY would you use Hydro Pump over Waterfall? It's a special move, thus it sucks on Gyara.

ChamsRock September 23rd, 2008 3:48 PM

Yeah, just making sure. Know anything about Dragon Dance?


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