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Kittyipawd September 23rd, 2008 3:57 PM

What would A sandstorm team w/ scizor look like for platinum version?

King_Lucario September 23rd, 2008 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Lucario
Okay. I have now officially started EV training again and I decided to EV train my (coincidentally) Adamant Heracross that I had lying around in my Pearl PC. Now, I have a few questions regarding this Heracross. Here they are:

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Originally Posted by King_Lucario

1. My Heracross is Adamant, which means it gains an increase in Attack and a decrease in Special Attack. My Heracross' Attack is currently 105 at Lv.27. However, after a while of searching, I kept coming across the conclusion that at Lv.27, a fully EV'd Attack Stat Heracross should have an Attack Stat of 106. I want to make sure that I am not missing 4 EVs because I need to start EVing other stats. Is that Attack stat wrong or right?

2. Heracross is a physical Pokemon, no doubt. However, I am currently lost as to what stat I should EV. Should I EV HP in order to withstand attacks or EV Speed in order to strike quickly and inflict as much damage as possible?

3. The last question. Since Heracross is a physical Pokemon, what attacks should I put on it? I plan to start WiFi battling now and I need a good moveset. I already know that I should put Stone Edge on there, but what other four attacks should I put?


Thank you for your time in helping me fix my Heracross.

Nobody answered my question. What should I do?

devilicious September 23rd, 2008 4:04 PM

@King_Lucario;

1. It must have an imperfect IV of 30 instead of 31. It won't matter that much so don't worry.

2. That depends a lot on what set you're wanting to run. The most offensive Heracross are the Choice Band and Choice Scarf versions. For Scarf (and any other set that's not the Choice Bander), I'd suggest 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP. The Choice Band version does not need that much Speed, so 106 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Speed would be okay. This spread also works for Sleep Talk versions.

3. That, again, depends on your set and your team's necessities.

ChamsRock September 23rd, 2008 4:08 PM

I need a bump on this page, so:

On my Gyarados, should I lose Aqua Tail for Hydro Pump?
Also, DDance, what should I get rid of for it?

Aqua Tail/Hydro Pump
Dragon Rage
Bite
Ice Fang

Thank you.

The Hero Without a Name September 23rd, 2008 4:48 PM

Gyarados @ Life Orb
Adamant
72 HP/252 ATK/184 SPD
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Fill the last two slots with either of these moves: Stone Edge, Ice Fang, or Earthquake. I don't know why you're using Dragon Rage, but seriously, it's just fail in a battle of level 100's.

And as said by Vance, never use a Special attack on Gyarados. It could have been used in Advance due to Gyara's physical movepool being just Physical Hidden Power+Earthquake, but now that Gyarados's physical movepool has been significantly upgraded, those special Gyara sets you see on RS Gyarados are move novelty now than ever before.

devilicious September 24th, 2008 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChamsRock (Post 3966599)
I need a bump on this page, so:

On my Gyarados, should I lose Aqua Tail for Hydro Pump?
Also, DDance, what should I get rid of for it?

Aqua Tail/Hydro Pump
Dragon Rage
Bite
Ice Fang

Thank you.

Like Fabian said, a DD Gyarados needs Waterfall and Dragon Dance. And Gyarados has a laughable Sp. Atk (specially when comparing to his Attack), so Hydro Pump is not viable at all, don't you think? And when you consider that Dragon Dance increased Atk and not Sp. Atk, you've got no choice but to give up on that idea.

Then again, Aqua Tail is not your best option. Waterfall, while it has -10 BP than AT, has 100% accuracy and a nice chance to Flinch the opponent. Since you'll be faster than most stuff after a Dragon Dance, you'll have many opportunities to Flinch them.

Dragon Rage is a piece of crap move. You'll always do 40 damage with it. Always. It's ridiculously underpowered and never worth a moveslot in Standard play. Change that for DDance.

Bite and Ice Fang is a good combination, so you can stick with that.

Archer September 24th, 2008 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Lucario (Post 3966580)
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Nobody answered my question. What should I do?

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Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3964884)
T_S had a CB set, you should ask him.

@King Lucario - You may have less than 31 IVs. That would be the problem.
It depends on the set you run. All of the standards run 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd aside from CBCross, which runs 104 HP/252 Atk/152 Spd. What do you want to run?
As for attacks, most sets run Megahorn, Close Combat and Stone Edge.

Look harder. Fabian, I prefer to run max Speed on Gyara for any Non-Scarfed Modest Heatrans.

Shiny September 24th, 2008 5:42 AM

Could I please get a moveset for Kricketune please? Thanks

Zurich September 24th, 2008 9:00 AM

try this one from smogon
[email protected] salac berry/life orb
adamant/jolly
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Sword Dance
X-scissor
Brick Break
Endure/sing/aerial ace

Kricketune is mediocre, even more than beedrill, i recommend using it only for ingame.

El Gofre September 24th, 2008 9:05 AM

Seconded. Kricketune utterly fails in UU, it isn't worth using.

J.M. September 24th, 2008 9:36 AM

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Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 3955050)
Rhyperior runs a tank set mostly, so for the newly bred one use the following:

[email protected]
Impish
252HP/252Def/6Att
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn/Avalanche
Stealth Rock/Roar/Substitute

For the adamant one, a set-up variant would be best:

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Adamant
252Att/252Spd/6SpDef
Swords Dance/Agility
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn/Avalanche/Ice Fang

The SD variant is only really worth using if you can get speed passes onto it. RP is the way to go.

Paladin, Poisin Jab sucks on him :| and have you actually looked at it's statline? Because I can't remember the last time a poke with base 55 SpAtt used thunderbolt.

Thanks a lot for that. I may start coming in here quite often for help with my Re-EV Training ;D

ChamsRock September 24th, 2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabian the Fastman (Post 3966710)
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Adamant
72 HP/252 ATK/184 SPD
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Fill the last two slots with either of these moves: Stone Edge, Ice Fang, or Earthquake. I don't know why you're using Dragon Rage, but seriously, it's just fail in a battle of level 100's.

And as said by Vance, never use a Special attack on Gyarados. It could have been used in Advance due to Gyara's physical movepool being just Physical Hidden Power+Earthquake, but now that Gyarados's physical movepool has been significantly upgraded, those special Gyara sets you see on RS Gyarados are move novelty now than ever before.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that my Gyarados is only level 40, four levels away from learning Dragon Dance. I figured that nothing at the time was better than Dragon Rage. Okay, so replace Rage with Dance? Deviruchi, thank you for the hint on Waterfall.

J.M. September 24th, 2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Lucario
3. The last question. Since Heracross is a physical Pokemon, what attacks should I put on it? I plan to start WiFi battling now and I need a good moveset. I already know that I should put Stone Edge on there, but what other four attacks should I put?

I've just today finished training up Hera and I nearly have all the moves necessary for the moveset I have planned:

-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash

El Gofre September 24th, 2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J.M. (Post 3968680)
I've just today finished training up Hera and I nearly have all the moves necessary for the moveset I have planned:

-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash

For a Choice sweeper it's fine, although Pursuit and Sleep talk are both fine options over night slash should you decide to use one. If you plan on using something other than Band/Scarf, use SD over the last slot.

King_Lucario September 24th, 2008 7:12 PM

So I should put these moves:

Stone Edge
Close Combat
Megahorn
Swords Dance

Just clarifying. I already EVd it for a Physical Sweeper (252 Atk and Spd; 6 HP) and I don't want to restart EVing. It took too long for me because I had school..-_-

The Hero Without a Name September 24th, 2008 8:05 PM

Well, if you're going by that EV spread, stick a Scarf on it and use this moveset:
Megahorn
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Night Slash

Also, just to make sure: does your Hera have Guts (ability)? Cause that's a large part of his usefulness

pokedude565 September 24th, 2008 10:39 PM

Can I please have a moveset for Inferno, Dialgia & Staraptor?
Also, can someone please tell me some good items.
Don't worry about natures and stats.
Also, can someone please tell me three more pokemon that would be good for my team.

LethalTexture September 24th, 2008 10:48 PM

If you plan on playing competitively, you NEED to worry about natures (and in that, breeding). They're a key part of the competitive scene, and if you don't get to grips with them right from the off (similarly with EVs) then you're going to lag behind.

And Dialga is of the Uber tier, and is thus banned from standard play.

pokedude565 September 24th, 2008 10:50 PM

I didn't think about that. Well thanks anyway (second time in 10 minutes, lol).

Swift! September 24th, 2008 11:14 PM

Which one of these would make the best lead and with what move set?
Xatu
Politoed
Hitmontop
Granbull
Azumarill
Girafarig

Once you've done that, could you tell me what move sets to use for the other five to balance out the lead?
I know this is a tall order, but I'm brand new to competitive battling.

Sexycheese September 25th, 2008 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevmysta (Post 3970288)
Which one of these would make the best lead and with what move set?
Xatu
Politoed
Hitmontop
Granbull
Azumarill
Girafarig

Once you've done that, could you tell me what move sets to use for the other five to balance out the lead?
I know this is a tall order, but I'm brand new to competitive battling.

Ok Im not going to lie but looking there none of them would make a spectacular lead, no infact they all make dreadful leads, I Think perhap[s you could use politoad to make you oppoment swithch out so I looked this moveset up on smogon....



Leftovers Sassy

Perish Song
~ Hypnosis
~ Bounce
~ Surf

Ev's: 240 HP / 122 Def / 140 SpD
The long forgotten little frog returns to launch an amphibious assault of status and pseudo-status. Politoed sports a decent assortment of stats, most notably, his Base 90 HP and Special Attack, and his Special Defense of 100. Coupled with the Water-type's natural resistances and Water Absorb, Politoed can switch into many Pokemon and threaten them instantly.
Perish Song is the main attraction of this set. It casts a pseudo-status on both Politoed and the opponent that makes both of them faint in three turns. To avoid this 100% death, most opponents shall switch out. Use this to your advantage by bombarding the field with Spikes, Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock. Hypnosis shall also cause switches, as it renders a Pokemon helpless for 1-4 turns. Bounce essentially makes one of the Perish Song turns pass by while being a powerful Flying type attack with a 30% paralysis chance, which may prove necessary later on in a battle. Surf is your obligatory STAB move.
Sassy nature allows you to function as a special wall all while maintaining Bounce's power. The EVs provided give Politoed optimum Leftovers recovery and solid defensive capabilities all around.
As stated earlier, be sure to place entry hazards before using this for maximum efficiency.

As I said none of those pokemon are good leads but this seems to suck less, dont use this in Ou or you will get whalloped big time :)

All credit to smogon for the moveset.

devilicious September 25th, 2008 1:45 AM

Actually, Hitmontop is not that bad of lead if you use the Technitop variant.

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Technician
Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Spe
- Fake Out
- Mach Punch
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch / Pusuit


And Lyulf, that set you recommended absolutely sucks as a lead. It's only effective after you've place entry hazards.

Sexycheese September 25th, 2008 2:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3970464)
Actually, Hitmontop is not that bad of lead if you use the Technitop variant.

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Technician
Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Spe
- Fake Out
- Mach Punch
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch / Pusuit


And Lyulf, that set you recommended absolutely sucks as a lead. It's only effective after you've place entry hazards.

I know, all of those pokemon I had trouble thinking of as a lead. Yours seems quite good for UU :)

Archer September 25th, 2008 3:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3970464)
Actually, Hitmontop is not that bad of lead if you use the Technitop variant.

Hitmontop @ Life Orb
Technician
Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Spe
- Fake Out
- Mach Punch
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch / Pursuit


And Lyulf, that set you recommended absolutely sucks as a lead. It's only effective after you've place entry hazards.

It's handy to keep that alive for revenging pokemon later, with those Priority moves.

Yeah Lyulf, it's for UU. Most OU Leads would give it quite a bit of trouble. Azelf and Deoxys to be specific.

Sexycheese September 25th, 2008 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Archer (Post 3970553)
It's handy to keep that alive for revenging pokemon later, with those Priority moves.

Yeah Lyulf, it's for UU. Most OU Leads would give it quite a bit of trouble. Azelf and Deoxys to be specific.

Yeah Personally I would Stick with a traditional Jolteon or Yanmega set for a lead in OU


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