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Xebelleon October 27th, 2008 7:51 PM

Was wondering about my Torterra...

Tortrunk, the Torterra @ Adamant
252 Atk, 192 HP, 64 Def
Overgrow
~Seed Bomb
~Body Slam
~Swords Dance / Rock Polish
~Earthquake / Rock Slide / Stone Edge

I obtained this by importing a male Bulbasaur with the GBA Move Tutor skill "Body Slam" to breed with my Grotle girl. Turtwig w/ Seed Bomb, Double-Edge, Body Slam, Withdraw was the base for this Torterra (Pre-Ditto). I noticed the Smogon notes for Swords and R-Polish. Seems good. I can, and will, have one Swords & one R-Polish Torterra for a minimum of two for battles.

I want to know, in regards to my Torterra:

Together with Grass & Normal damaging moves...
Will I want Earthquake (Ground) OR Stone Edge / Rock Slide for coverage?

I also like Crunch but uncertain of how it would play against Torterra's counters.

Item suggestion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4070895)
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani009.gif
Blastoise @ Life Orb/Leftovers/Focus Sash
Adamant | Torrent
[ 252 HP, 252 Atk, 6 Spd ]
~ Aqua Jet
~ Fake Out
~ Toxic/Rapid Spin
~ Bite

This set can take most leads in OU, although it might not see much use there. Bite hits Gengar, Rotom and Mismagius Leads.

Did that help?

Holy wow! Thank you!
And yes Smeargle used a Seel.
But thats because I wanted a Seel with Lick, Fake Out, Aqua Jet, Aqua Ring.

~H.o.t Dawn~
@__D

Ayouki Emerald October 27th, 2008 8:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hair_of_the_Dawn (Post 4073656)
Item suggestion?
~H.o.t Dawn~
@__D

Item for your BL Torterra? With those movesets, definitely a http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/1/11/LifeOrbSprite.pngLife Orb. Base 95 Hp has its advantages you know. But, Leftovers can work.... Honestly, I'm not sure...
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I'm having trouble with Swampy's movesets, here they are:

Swampert @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Careful/Adamant Nature
252 Evs In Hp/252 Evs in Spc.Def/6 Ev in Atk

Curse
Earthquake
Avalanche
Rest

Earthquake is a great STABed move, with a base power of 150. Avalanche is for its grass weakness. With max Hp and Spc.def, it could probably survive a regular unSTABed grass move like Energy ball from a Gengar. Maybe. Curse is to raise both its atk and def, and Rest to regain the lost Hp. Chesto berry if your going with Rest, and leftovers otherwise. Avalanche is almost sure to get the double power, because of Swamperts low speed plus the speed lowering from Curse.

But I'm not sure if Curse would do him any good... Lagging tail! lol.

StrickeN October 27th, 2008 8:32 PM

For coverage I'd go with Stone Edge.

sandfox October 27th, 2008 8:54 PM

I would like help with a moveset for a [email protected] ev: 252 hp, 252 SDef, 6 SpAtk

Ayouki Emerald October 27th, 2008 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StrickeN (Post 4073729)
For coverage I'd go with Stone Edge.

Stone Edge for Curse eh? Well, sure, I'll work with a weakened Avalanche.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandfox (Post 4073781)
I would like help with a moveset for a [email protected] ev: 252 hp, 252 SDef, 6 SpAtk

Slowbro @ Leftovers
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Surf/Ice Beam/Grass Knot/Shadow Ball/Focus Blast
- Calm Mind

Psychic and Flamethrower together have fairly good type coverage against opponents, for the third option, you might want to go for Surf just because of STAB, Grass Knot to deal with other Water-types, Ice Beam to cover Dragons, Shadow Ball to cover other Psychic-types or Ghost-types, or perhaps the inaccurate Focus Blast if you're really afraid of those Dark-types.
Calm Mind of course to boost Slowbro's sweeping abilities and its average Sp. Defense.

I'll work with a Sweeping Slowking...
But, You can put all EV's in Def. if you want...

Xebelleon October 27th, 2008 10:10 PM

Need an EV spread for my Ursaring.

Ursaring @ Jolly
Quick Feet (will probably give it a Toxic/Flame Orb)
~Facade
~Night Slash
~Cross Chop
~Protect

Should I "Do-a-Ditto" for an Adamant Bear?

sandfox October 27th, 2008 10:23 PM

Was going for a special wall Slowking

Ayouki Emerald October 27th, 2008 10:23 PM

EV spread for Ursaring?

[email protected] Toxic Orb
Jolly, Quick Feet
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Facade
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Night Slash
(The movesets don't quite work for me.)

Jolly is good enough, don't "do-a-Ditto" anymore, it isn't necessary...

Dark Azelf October 28th, 2008 5:49 AM

C
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sandfox (Post 4073976)
Was going for a special wall Slowking

[email protected]
212 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 44 SP.ATT
Calm Nature
Trait : Own Tempo
- Surf
- Slack Off
- Thunderwave / Light Screen
- Ice Beam / Grass Knot / Hidden power Electric / Psychic

This thing is great and lols at Mixmence and Specs mence =p.

Xebelleon October 28th, 2008 4:34 PM

My Drifblim would like some assistance in terms of...

~EV Spread
~Item / nature suggestion
~Moves to go WITH Body Slam & Hypnosis
------------------------------------------------
Drifblim @ Calm
Aftermath
EV: none as yet
~hypnosis
~Body Slam (GBA tutored a male Gengar)
~Will-o-wisp
~Stockpile

~H.o.t Dawn~

True Reign October 28th, 2008 7:11 PM

I'll need some help on my Machamp here. Constructed criticism please, if you do.

Machamp @ ___ (?Need help here?)
Nature: Adamant (Adamant can work fine, but anything better?)
- Cross Chop
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- ___ (Need help here)

Thanks in advance.

crystalvelox October 28th, 2008 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -[JD]- (Post 4076615)
I'll need some help on my Machamp here. Constructed criticism please, if you do.

Machamp @ ___ (?Need help here?)
Nature: Adamant (Adamant can work fine, but anything better?)
- Cross Chop
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- ___ (Need help here)

Thanks in advance.

Adamant is fine. Flamethrower and fire blast is not needed. Fighting, ice basically make up for the things that fire would hit. Steels will still get hit hard to machamp with physical fighting type moves. Any idea which ability you will be using? What you have so far I guess you want versitility and power.

Machamp @ Leftovers
No Guard
Nature: Adamant
- Dynamic Punch
- Ice Punch/Stone Edge
- Payback/ Thunder Punch
- Bulk Up

EV spread I am unsure about. Max Atk for sure. With this you can pretty much hit anything and confuse it which can give you a free turn to bulk up if they switch or 50% chance they hit themselves. Choose the moves you think you need for type coverage on your team.

For a Guts moveset you could try this.

Machamp @ Choice Band
Guts; Adamant
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Payback
- Thunderpunch

Again unsure of EVs. Max atk. These moves give good type coverage and will hit 100% of the time. Ill after effects of Close Combat is negated by switching.

Archer October 28th, 2008 9:37 PM

Ok, well Guts is probably not worth the hassle, as No Guard Dynamic Punch is so much better.
I have actually considered running a Restalk Set with Revenge/Payback, as it's rather slow.

Regardless, the most effective Spread for the No Guard set is just 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd, although the Anti-Lead set often runs 252 HP/160 Atk/96 SDef for taking a Psychic from Azelf, however, you could potentially lose a bit, as that is for Modest Azelfs.(Azelves?)

F-F-Franklin October 28th, 2008 10:00 PM

You guys have any ideas on an Anti-Lead? I've been loosing a lot lately, and I've been playing really great in the beginning but I think it's my team (that i focused to much on countering scizor/skymin) so you guys think you can help me out? Thanks.

Ayouki Emerald October 28th, 2008 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hair_of_the_Dawn (Post 4076275)
My Drifblim would like some assistance in terms of...

~EV Spread
~Item / nature suggestion
~Moves to go WITH Body Slam & Hypnosis
------------------------------------------------
Drifblim @ Calm
Aftermath
EV: none as yet
~hypnosis
~Body Slam (GBA tutored a male Gengar)
~Will-o-wisp
~Stockpile

~H.o.t Dawn~

I don't do that standard set. I'd rather work with these:
Drifblim(Passer & Annoyer)
Calm
Substitute
Baton Pass
Hypnosis
T-bolt/SHadow Ball

Calm Mind is a possibility, but with an offensive move, Taunt won't shut you down. Unburden is a good ability, and he can use a pinch berry to get an extra boost to pass, but Leftovers words equally well and you don't have to worry about recovery from Substitutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by -[JD]- (Post 4076615)
I'll need some help on my Machamp here. Constructed criticism please, if you do.

Machamp @ ___ (?Need help here?)
Nature: Adamant (Adamant can work fine, but anything better?)
- Cross Chop
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- ___ (Need help here)

Thanks in advance.

[email protected] band/scarf
adamant/jolly
no guard
252 attack/252 speed

dynamic punch
ice punch
thunder punch
stone edge/rock slide

If you pick band run Adamant and stone edge
If you pick scarf run Jolly and rock slide

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4076821)
Regardless, the most effective Spread for the No Guard set is just 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd, although the Anti-Lead set often runs 252 HP/160 Atk/96 SDef for taking a Psychic from Azelf, however, you could potentially lose a bit, as that is for Modest Azelfs.(Azelves?)

Definitely No guard. No Guard combos better with Dynamicpunch.

Archer October 29th, 2008 4:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-F-Franklin (Post 4076852)
You guys have any ideas on an Anti-Lead? I've been loosing a lot lately, and I've been playing really great in the beginning but I think it's my team (that i focused to much on countering scizor/skymin) so you guys think you can help me out? Thanks.

Well there are a lot of options, so you really have to consider what your team will allow. Given what you've told me, I am assuming you have problems with Infernape among other things. If you are having problems with leads that set up, then I suggest a fast Taunter (Aerodactyl or Azelf). If Azelf/Aero are giving you trouble then run a Fake Out lead, such as Infernape to break the Sash or just run with a fast TrickScarfer. We really need to get an Idea of your team before we can help you.
You should post an RMT or check Tortured_Soul's Leading guide, keeping in mind that it is a few months old.

Actually, I might consider adding updates to those guides. Considering all the Platinum changes...

F-F-Franklin October 29th, 2008 6:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 4077288)
Well there are a lot of options, so you really have to consider what your team will allow. Given what you've told me, I am assuming you have problems with Infernape among other things. If you are having problems with leads that set up, then I suggest a fast Taunter (Aerodactyl or Azelf). If Azelf/Aero are giving you trouble then run a Fake Out lead, such as Infernape to break the Sash or just run with a fast TrickScarfer. We really need to get an Idea of your team before we can help you.
You should post an RMT or check Tortured_Soul's Leading guide, keeping in mind that it is a few months old.

Actually, I might consider adding updates to those guides. Considering all the Platinum changes...

Heh, It's weird. I don't loose to things setting up, it's usually that I get like 2-3 KOs off the bat in the battle (this has happened about 3 times) And I usually screw up somehow and my opponent wins. I was using LumGross, Bliss, Zapdos, SpecsMence,OrBDugtrio, and hariyama. I'm guessing that when I try to predict with specsmence it usually screws me over cause I have to switch out, so I'm probably not going to use it anymore.

But thanks for the guide, I might consider Hera as a lead to take out T-Tar, Salamence, Gengar, Azelf, and Gyarados, but doesn't really do much to Bronzong, ScarfRade, and Hippodown/Crobat/Ninjask.

Dark Azelf October 29th, 2008 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-F-Franklin (Post 4077463)
Heh, It's weird. I don't loose to things setting up, it's usually that I get like 2-3 KOs off the bat in the battle (this has happened about 3 times) And I usually **** up somehow and my opponent wins. I was using LumGross, Bliss, Zapdos, SpecsMence,OrBDugtrio, and hariyama. I'm guessing that when I try to predict with specsmence it usually ****s me over cause I have to switch out, so I'm probably not going to use it anymore.

But thanks for the guide, I might consider Hera as a lead to take out T-Tar, Salamence, Gengar, Azelf, and Gyarados, but doesn't really do much to Bronzong, ScarfRade, and Hippodown/Crobat/Ninjask.

Well first off dont bypass the censor.

Anyway, Lum gross is a really cool lead, but yeah t_'s guide (which needs revamping) will help, i also have a useful link, but its to the forums part of smogon and we arnt allowed to link to other forums sadly, however ill pm it you if you wish.


I also dont get why everyone is like "LULZ NO GARD IZ BEST ON MACHUMP", no this is really not true, at least with guts you can switch into status and effectively get a free choice band or a free swords dance boost if you already have a choice band. No guard is only really useful on the rest talker so you can try to hax yourself out of becoming set up fodder, on the choice bander no guard is complete trash as it hampers your chances to switch into status as said. (you loose to dusknoir, how embarrasing is that lol?)


Rest talker : -108 HP / 144 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Speed [email protected], the max hp/max att adamant versions loose to cb tar which is hilarious. Cross Chop or D-Punch/Ice Punch or Stone Edge/Rest/STalk (choose ability accordingly)


CBer : - 128 hp / 252 att / 128 speed @admant outruns min speed skarmory. Close Combat/T-Punch/Ice Punch/Payback @ guts (switch to jolly max speed max att with scarf)

Necromancy October 29th, 2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F-F-Franklin (Post 4076852)
You guys have any ideas on an Anti-Lead? I've been loosing a lot lately, and I've been playing really great in the beginning but I think it's my team (that i focused to much on countering scizor/skymin) so you guys think you can help me out? Thanks.

Hehe, I've been toying around with an Anti-Lead Raichu that I came up with, and it owns in UU. Heck, it even did really well in OU and helped me score some crucial kills.


Raichu @ Leftovers
Timid nature
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Fake Out
- Encore
- Thunderbolt
- Thunderwave


Hidden Power: Ice is viable on this set somewhere, giving the classic "BoltBeam" combo that everyone loves. I'd just suggest playing around with Pokemon that get Fake Out to nullify Focus Sash, and then see what other moves they have to cripple other common leads/switch-ins. That's how I came up with this Raichu. I <3 Thunderwave and Encore on here. :3

Other good anti-leads include Weavile and Infernape.

The Hero Without a Name October 29th, 2008 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -[JD]- (Post 4076615)
I'll need some help on my Machamp here. Constructed criticism please, if you do.

Machamp @ ___ (?Need help here?)
Nature: Adamant (Adamant can work fine, but anything better?)
- Cross Chop
- Rock Slide
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- ___ (Need help here)

Thanks in advance.

First off, NEVER, and I mean NEVER use a Special attack on Machamp. His SPATK is too low, and it especially looks bad in comparison to his base 130 ATK.

Stone edge works great on him, and Rock Slide's just not strong enough. You could try this out:

Machamp @ Choice Band
Adamant
128 HP/252 ATK/128 SPD
Guts
Close Combat
Ice Punch
Thunderpunch
Payback

~JV~ October 29th, 2008 2:36 PM

I need help with moveset and item to put in my :

Mamoswine @ _______ (help here!)
Adamant
252 attack 252 HP 8 defense
-Stone Edge
-Giga Impact
-Earthquake
-Avalanche

Plz help me ;p

The Hero Without a Name October 29th, 2008 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JV12345 (Post 4078588)
I need help with moveset and item to put in my :

Mamoswine @ _______ (help here!)
Adamant
252 attack 252 HP 8 defense
-Stone Edge
-Giga Impact
-Earthquake
-Avalanche

Plz help me ;p

First... Never use Giga Impact. It's a horrible move, and it would take forever to list all the reasons why.
Anyways... Run 192 SPD to outrun Jolly Tyranitar. 252 ATK is a must. Replace Avalanche with Ice Shard, because you don't want Mamo to move last. Use a Choice Band, and his attacks will hurt like hell. Not to mention, with Ice Shard he can completely screw over Salamence and Skymin.

Giga Impact can be replaced with Superpower (assuming you have Platinum). If not, there are other options.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/mamoswine

Look here for other sets if you want something other than the Choice Bander.

F-F-Franklin October 29th, 2008 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Necromancy (Post 4077772)
Hehe, I've been toying around with an Anti-Lead Raichu that I came up with, and it owns in UU. Heck, it even did really well in OU and helped me score some crucial kills.

Raichu @ Leftovers
Timid nature
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Fake Out
- Encore
- Thunderbolt
- Thunderwave


Hidden Power: Ice is viable on this set somewhere, giving the classic "BoltBeam" combo that everyone loves. I'd just suggest playing around with Pokemon that get Fake Out to nullify Focus Sash, and then see what other moves they have to cripple other common leads/switch-ins. That's how I came up with this Raichu. I <3 Thunderwave and Encore on here. :3

Other good anti-leads include Weavile and Infernape.

Infernape? Sounds fun. Set pl0x?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 4077554)
Well first off dont bypass the censor.

Anyway, Lum gross is a really cool lead, but yeah t_'s guide (which needs revamping) will help, i also have a useful link, but its to the forums part of smogon and we arnt allowed to link to other forums sadly, however ill pm it you if you wish.


I also dont get why everyone is like "LULZ NO GARD IZ BEST ON MACHUMP", no this is really not true, at least with guts you can switch into status and effectively get a free choice band or a free swords dance boost if you already have a choice band. No guard is only really useful on the rest talker so you can try to hax yourself out of becoming set up fodder, on the choice bander no guard is complete trash as it hampers your chances to switch into status as said. (you loose to dusknoir, how embarrasing is that lol?)


Rest talker : -108 HP / 144 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Speed [email protected], the max hp/max att adamant versions loose to cb tar which is hilarious. Cross Chop or D-Punch/Ice Punch or Stone Edge/Rest/STalk (choose ability accordingly)


CBer : - 128 hp / 252 att / 128 speed @admant outruns min speed skarmory. Close Combat/T-Punch/Ice Punch/Payback @ guts (switch to jolly max speed max att with scarf)

Yeah sorry about that, I'm used to other forums and I didn't realize this had a censor. hah.

And I would deeply appreciate if you would PM me the Smogon link, thanks.

Detox October 29th, 2008 3:57 PM

Well being bored to death in my language class in school today, i thought of this

Feraligatr @ life orb
Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Def, 6 Speed

Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Waterfall
Ice Punch

Would this work?

The Hero Without a Name October 29th, 2008 4:18 PM

Maybe, but Gyarados does that better.


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