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Reese November 28th, 2008 11:46 AM

I understand it is 252 EV for attack, 6 EV for HP, And 252 EV for ___?

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reese (Post 4155469)
I understand it is 252 EV for attack, 6 EV for HP, And 252 EV for ___?

252 attack,252 SPEED , 6 hp

Reese November 28th, 2008 12:47 PM

OH. Alright. Thanks .

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2008 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reese (Post 4155649)
OH. Alright. Thanks .

I bolded the "speed" because you seem to have missed it on a previous post explaining what ev spread you should use, thus there was no need for your snippyness =/.

F-F-Franklin November 28th, 2008 1:39 PM

If anyone is interested, I found something that is perfect with a scarfed jolly medicham:

[email protected]
252 hp/152 def/100 sDef
Bold
- Rest
- Seed Flare
- Leech Seed
- Aromatherapy

This shaymin set is designed to perfectly par with medicham. Aromatherepy takes care of burns/paralysis/etc, Leech Seed can hand things such as Blissey, Dusknoir, Spiritomb, etc. and seed flare has a deadly chance to lower special defence. Shaymin ALSO has natural cure to heal with rest whilst switching out. The evs can take any deadly ghost attack towards Medicham, as noted:

Modest Life Orb Gengar Shadow ball: 42.33% - 50.00% (3KO with Leftovers)

Timid Life Orb Gengar Shadow ball: 38.86% - 45.54%

Timid/Modest Choice Scarf Gengar Shadow ball: 29.70% - 35.15%, 32.67% - 38.37%

Modest Life Orb Gengar HP Fire: 49.75% - 58.42%

So, theres not much of a chance to see a Modest Life Orb Gengar going around with Shadow Ball and HP Fire, so the odds of shaymin walling Gengar and still taking physical hits is pretty damn good. Even a Modest Life Orb HP Fire still has a chance to 3KO with Leftovers. Obviously and as stated before, Natural Cure walls status and can nulify with rest. The 3KO means a lot, which means that shaymin can then switch in, take 50% of damage then leftovers will patch it up to 47%, then can be hit again, then use rest to maximum full health.
Now, there's still stuff that comes to mind. What about Dusknoir? Can it do much to shaymin? It doesn't have that many defence evs.. let's take a look:

Max Attack Dusknoir Fire Punch: 29.70% - 34.90%

Choice Band Max Attack Dusnkoir Fire Punch: 44.06% - 51.98% (3KO with Leftovers)

So as you can see, the most terrifying Dusknoir sets fail to 2KO or OKO Shaymin with even a CB Fire Punch.

Now, the last pokemon, is Cresselia. Shaymin doesn't care for thunder wave, and doesn't take much from psychic.. what about Ice Beam?

Cresselia Max Special Attack Ice Beam: 32.67% - 38.61%

That is Cresselia using a +Special Attack nature, 252 special attack Effort Values, and is still failing to even 3KO it.

I just wanted to inform you guys my solution to my struggling problem I've had for a while now.

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2008 1:52 PM

More Like

[email protected] Band
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- filler
- filler

to remove those bulky psychics and ghosts etc;).

I doubt gengar would be switching into medicham tbh..although you could still give it the "careful uber metagame t-tar" spread to survive a lo/specs focus blast from it if you wanted to go that far.

F-F-Franklin November 28th, 2008 1:54 PM

Ahaha, yeah. I gengar I would expect would switch into a locked hi jump kick? I even added Tyranitar too my team anyway, just for more support as those damn bulky psychics might trick choice something onto shaymin TT__TT, plus, without tyranitar Life Orb Azelf can freely kill 2 of my pokemon.. (2KO Shaymin Flamethrower, and OKO anything with Medicham).

Also, I didn't add T-Tar to the first place due to switching into a will-o-wisp.

luke November 28th, 2008 2:22 PM

Lucario @ Petaya Berry
Nature: Modest / Timid
Inner Focus

Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Agility / HP Ice
Substitute

Need help on EV Spread and that third move.

I was thinking: switch into something that'll run, Agility on the switch, continue to sub down to activate Petaya, and sweep. HP Ice will over coverage against the Salamence that are bound to switch in, but Agility will ensure I don't get forced out by faster Pokemon. No, I don't want to do Salac Berry either.

F-F-Franklin November 28th, 2008 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Britney Spears (Post 4155853)
Lucario @ Petaya Berry
Nature: Modest / Timid
Inner Focus

Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Agility / HP Ice
Substitute

Need help on EV Spread and that third move.

I was thinking: switch into something that'll run, Agility on the switch, continue to sub down to activate Petaya, and sweep. HP Ice will over coverage against the Salamence that are bound to switch in, but Agility will ensure I don't get forced out by faster Pokemon. No, I don't want to do Salac Berry either.

252 special attack evs and modest with the special attack boost does about 48-56% to 4/0 salamence, which salamence can't wall you if your safe behind a sub when he switches in. I would say replace HP Ice with agility and do your strategy, but I would have another pokemon be able to take salamence/other dragons out, because most Lucarios have either HP Ice or Ice Punch, and can give you an advantage before your opponent knows your moveset.

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2008 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britney Spears (Post 4155853)
Lucario @ Petaya Berry
Nature: Modest / Timid
Inner Focus

Aura Sphere
Shadow Ball
Agility / HP Ice
Substitute

Need help on EV Spread and that third move.

I was thinking: switch into something that'll run, Agility on the switch, continue to sub down to activate Petaya, and sweep. HP Ice will over coverage against the Salamence that are bound to switch in, but Agility will ensure I don't get forced out by faster Pokemon. No, I don't want to do Salac Berry either.


Id just max speed and sp.att and put the last 4/6 evs in def so you can activiate the berry at 25% hp instead of 1 hp, make sure you have an hp iv of 30 too. But it looks decent me thinks, id test the third slot if i were you to see which works better....since on one hand you need agility to sweep, yet you need hp ice for mence and what not...so eh..

Calm Mind/sub/aura sphere/[email protected] salac berry sounds kinda cool too.X].

SmashBrony November 28th, 2008 3:22 PM

Does anyone know a Platinuim moveset for Cresselia?

El Gofre November 28th, 2008 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistermagius (Post 4156036)
Does anyone know a Platinuim moveset for Cresselia?

Cresselia gained almost nothing in the platinum shift, so I'm presuming the sets have stayed very similar. The EV spreads may have changed to cope with new threats, but I'm guessing they all run like DP otherwise.

airconditioning November 28th, 2008 3:34 PM

Hey, is there a list of the new moves that each Pokemon can learn in Platinum? I want to know if there are any big changes to my favorite Pokemon, and I haven't paid any attention to Platinum in months.

Dark Azelf November 28th, 2008 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airconditioning (Post 4156061)
Hey, is there a list of the new moves that each Pokemon can learn in Platinum? I want to know if there are any big changes to my favorite Pokemon, and I haven't paid any attention to Platinum in months.

http://shoddybattle.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/shoddybattle/ShoddyBattle/platinum.mod

I think this is missing Bug Bite Forry..

So anyways, you're back are you ac ? =3

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Gofre (Post 4156060)
Cresselia gained almost nothing in the platinum shift, so I'm presuming the sets have stayed very similar. The EV spreads may have changed to cope with new threats, but I'm guessing they all run like DP otherwise.


Well it did get trick, so you could use a trick scarf or specs set...but meh

airconditioning November 28th, 2008 3:44 PM

oh god wall of text.

Quote:

So anyways, you're back are you ac ? =3
Sure, why not. I still most likely will never battle, though...

BlueShadow November 28th, 2008 7:14 PM

I need help with my umbreon to make it really resistant to almost any attack. I need help to decide the moves for umbreon. One of the moves that I chose is moonlight, so it can recover hp. I need to improve umbreon to defeat supermega_boy next time... I hate that his water pokemons are really strong.

airconditioning November 28th, 2008 8:11 PM

I just learned that Salamence gained Outrage in Platinum.

Please tell me my Dragonite isn't completely useless. ;_;

Jake♫ November 28th, 2008 8:12 PM

Yep, basically Dragonite is done. Now that Salamence AND Kingdra both got it, Dragonite usage has decreased :/

The Hero Without a Name November 28th, 2008 8:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueShadow (Post 4156619)
I need help with my umbreon to make it really resistant to almost any attack. I need help to decide the moves for umbreon. One of the moves that I chose is moonlight, so it can recover hp. I need to improve umbreon to defeat supermega_boy next time... I hate that his water pokemons are really strong.

Sorry, but... no. Umbreon's pretty horrible in DP, all he has is trap passing. Megahorn, Close Combat, X-Scissor, etc. just crush him like a bug.

Not to mention, Moonlight's not that good either. In Sandstorm (the most common weather condition), it heals a meager 25% HP.

sims796 November 28th, 2008 8:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake™ (Post 4156803)
Yep, basically Dragonite is done. Now that Salamence AND Kingdra both got it, Dragonite usage has decreased :/

Nite seems to make the better mixed sweeper, what with Super Power, but that's all I can see it as.

Jake♫ November 28th, 2008 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4156833)
Nite seems to make the better mixed sweeper, what with Super Power, but that's all I can see it as.

Yeah, that's about all it has left to cling onto by it's teeth.

The Hero Without a Name November 28th, 2008 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 4156833)
Nite seems to make the better mixed sweeper, what with Super Power, but that's all I can see it as.

Not to mention Choice Specs (which arguably got better with the addition of Superpower; he can now go and 2HKO Blissey with Superpower instead of just Focus Punch.

. November 28th, 2008 11:03 PM

Alright, after making this team on Netbattle, I started trying to catch and raise these guys on my Blue version for competative battling with my friends. It took me a while to come up with the lineup, but I'm always up to suggestions!

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/94.png
-Hypnosis
-Mega Drain
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Comments: Well...It's Gengar. I found him useful with the fastest Hypnosis and great Special. I kinda wish Ghost attacks were Special, so he had some sort of STAB, but whatever. He does tons of damage with Thunderbolt/Mega Drain and can really put a hurting on things with Explosion (I want to keep this a surprise for when my friends bring in their Chansey).

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/113.png
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Thunder Wave
-Softboiled

Comments: This thing is almost impossible to kill, and Softboiled only makes it harder to stop. Ironically, this pink beast has more Special than Starmie, meaning it hits harder than one of the most common threats in RBY. I know a lot of my friends are proud of their Alakazams and such, heh, I doubt they'll be pleased with a fast Pokemon such as Alakazam being paralysed.

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/65.png
-Psychic
-Thunder Wave
-Recover
-Seismic Toss

Comments: Alakazam only learns one special move: Psychic. Even so, Psychic coming off the highest non-uber (Mewtwo) Special is nothing to scoff at, as even Chansey does not like critical hits or being paralysed. Seismic Toss is to rack up damage even after Psychic's PP is depleted (and with only 16 uses of it, that is more common than not). Recover is godly on this guy, as he can come back from the stickiest situations and keep on fighting.

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/130.png
-Blizzard
-Body Slam
-Thunderbolt
-Hyper Beam

Comments: OMG WTF VANCE? HYPER BEAM? SPECIAL ATTACKS ON GYARADOS? LOL NOOB. Honestly, I'd agree if this wasn't RBY. First of all, Gyarados's Special in RBY is Base 100, in other words, equal to Starmie's, who's it very high. Hyper Beam is a Base 150 physical attack in RBY, making it stronger than anything Gyarados has. It also doesn't lock you into it if you kill the opponent, or if you break a Sub/Miss. Blizzard has 90% accuracy, making it very usable. Thunderbolt hits the common Water switch ins on Gyarados such as Lapras and Starmie harder than anything else. Body Slam is there for paralysis.


http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/112.png
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-Body Slam

Comments: Rhydon is the best Zapdos counter in the entire game, and it's not a bad check for Chansey either (although Ice Beam 2HKOs the poor rock golem). Substitute because Rhydon is slow as hell, and so I guarantee at least *1* kill (though I hope a beast with 358 Attack can kill more than 1 thing).

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/rb/128.png
-Hyper Beam
-Body Slam
-Earthquake
-Blizzard

Comments: Simply put, Tauros rocks. High critical hit ratio combined with its excellent Speed and STAB make it a supreme finisher. Blizzard is for those Golem and Rhydon who are oh so annoying! Body Slam for paralysis and then I can quickly finish off whatever comes in with that lovely, but suicidal Hyper Beam.

NOTE THIS IS A COMPETATIVE TEAM FOR NETBATTLE AS WELL. ANY COMMENTS LIKE "MAGIKARP CAN SWEEP IN GAME!" AND I WILL HYPER BEAM YOUR THROAT.

Zetta-Chan November 29th, 2008 8:58 AM

I need a set for leading Hippowdon, any suggestions?

I was thinking this...

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/03/450.png
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish Nature / Sand Stream
252 HP / 16 Atk / 152 Def / 88 SpD
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Roar

Pikachu™ November 29th, 2008 9:32 AM

Is this team okay?

Physical Wall

Hippowdon Leftovers
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk.
Sand Stream
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Roar
-Slack Off

Special Sweeper

Lucario Leftovers
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP.
Inner Focus
-Calm Mind
-Aura Sphere
-Dark Pulse
-Dragon Pulse

Physical Sweeper

Garchomp Salac Berry
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Sand Veil
-Substitute
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw

Defensive Calm Mind

Celebi Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 Hp, 148 Def, 32 Sp, 76 Sp.Def.
Nature Cure
-Energy ball
-Calm Mind
-Leech Seed
-Recover

Trick Room

Dusknoir Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP, 178 Def, 80 Sp. Def.
Pressure
-Trick Room
-Will-o-Wisp
-Mean Look
-Shadow Punch

Rest Talker

Lapres leftovers
Nature: Modest
EVs: 192 Def, 160 SpA, 156 Sp. Atk.
Water Absorb
-Ice beam
-Thunder Bolt
-Rest
-Sleep Talk


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