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Valkyrie90 February 24th, 2008 6:33 PM

Electivire (Physical Sweeper):
Item Held: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant (-s.atk +atk)
Ability: Motor Drive
Moves: Thunderpunch, Ice Punch, Cross Chop, Earthquake
EVs: 252 ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP

Breloom (SubPuncher)
Item Held: Toxic Orb
Nature: Jolly (-s.atk +spd)
Ability: Poison Heal
Moves: Substitute, Focus Punch, Seed Bomb, Spore
EVs: 252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP

Gengar (Special Sweeper)
Item Held: Focus Sash
Nature: Timid (-atk +spd)
Ability: Levitate
Moves: Destiny Bond, Thunderbolt, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball
EVs: 252 S.ATK 252 SPD 6 HP

Blissey (Special Wall)
Item Held: Leftovers
Nature: Bold (-atk +def)
Ability: Natural Cure
Moves: Aromatherapy, Seismic Toss, Softboiled, Thunder Wave
EVs: Already taken care of….

Swampert (Mixed Wall/Sweeper)
Item held: Leftovers
Nature: Modest maybe???
Ability: Torrent
Moves: Earthquake, Waterfall, Hydro Pump, Curse
EVs: 252 HP 252 S.DEF 6 SPD

Forretress (Physical Wall, Spiker)
Item Held: Leftovers
Nature: Impish (-s.atk +def)
Ability: Sturdy
Moves: Stealth Rock, Spikes, Explosion, Rapid Spin
EVs: 252 HP 192 DEF, 66 S.DEF

Am I missing anything? I'm kind of worried about facing Scarmory, Bronzong, and Trick Room.

FourFourTwo February 24th, 2008 7:19 PM

How does this marowak look?

Marowak @ thick club
252 EVs in att and spd
6 EVs in HP
Adamant.
Ability: Rock head

Bonemarang
Ancient Power
Swords Dance
Double Edge


?
It has a 30 IV in attack... but a 4 in speed :(!

Anti February 24th, 2008 11:16 PM

Um Ancientpower is a special move...that's not gonna fly. Need smore Fire Punch/Rock Slide IMO.

Also you will have to rebreed, the speed IV is too awful.

FourFourTwo February 24th, 2008 11:20 PM

I wanted to keep Ancient power, just for the stat boosts when it hits.

i was planning oon rebreeding. I hate its speed.

Anti February 24th, 2008 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFourTwo (Post 3369214)
I wanted to keep Ancient power, just for the stat boosts when it hits.

i was planning oon rebreeding. I hate its speed.

Relying on a 10% chance of something activating is a bad idea, especially since Marowak needs every moveslot it gets.

Really ancientpower is epically useless.

FourFourTwo February 24th, 2008 11:25 PM

I guess. Rock slide > Fire punch?

Anti February 24th, 2008 11:27 PM

Honestly I'd use both and take out Double-Edge and you beat all QuakeSlide resists besides Flygon I believe.

FourFourTwo February 24th, 2008 11:30 PM

well, with 30 IVs, adamant nature, 252 EVs in attack, ability rock head, double edge has been working pretty well for me. It OKOHs a lot of pokemon.

Anti February 24th, 2008 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourFourTwo (Post 3369233)
well, with 30 IVs, adamant nature, 252 EVs in attack, ability rock head, double edge has been working pretty well for me. It OKOHs a lot of pokemon.

Yes and when Skarmory shows up?

Fire Punch will destroy steels, especially since many steels aren't even weak to Earthquake/Bonemerang (Bronzong, skarmory, Forretress...) that's why we have Fire Punch.

you can debate rock slide/double-edge but Fire Punch will really help you smash pesky steels.

FourFourTwo February 24th, 2008 11:37 PM

Ah, thats right. Skarmory. Thanks, ill debate rock slide/double edge, but ill put in fire punch.

Azonic February 25th, 2008 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquallLion90 (Post 3368652)
Swampert (Mixed Wall/Sweeper)
Item held: Leftovers
Nature: Modest maybe???
Ability: Torrent
Moves: Earthquake, Waterfall, Hydro Pump, Curse
EVs: 252 HP 252 S.DEF 6 SPD

I have a problem with two Water moves on the same set. Run Ice Beam over one of them. Modest is terrible when it has physical moves. I'd run [+Defense -Speed] nature with 252 HP / 172 Defense / 84 Attack, SAttack, or SDefense.

***Also, may I request the standard Giratina moveset, please

Tanro February 26th, 2008 10:43 AM

Here is My current Team.

Typlosion @ Charcoal
Firewheel
Fireblast
Earthquake
Thunderpunch

Hypno @ Amulet Coin
Thunderpunch
Psychic
Toxic
Shadowball

Gyrados @ King's Rock
Hydropump
Dragon Rage
Thunder
Twister

Haunter @ Berry
Hypnosis
Shadowball
Nightmare
Curse

Quagsire @ Mystic Water
Earthquake
Surf
Icepunch
Whirlpool

Skarmory @ Metal Coat
Steel Wing
Toxic
Fly
Mudslap

I am playing crystal (gen II) so keep that in mind. Please dont recommend item changes Just Move or Pokemon Changes. I am weak to electric right now, as well as dark. I need one last pokemon to replace my fearow. Which is just in there for fly.

I dont have any legendaries so please don't suggest them to me. Also I cant evolve Haunter because My silver copy has a dead battery, I packed it up in storage.

Dark Azelf February 26th, 2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clade. (Post 3369809)
I have a problem with two Water moves on the same set. Run Ice Beam over one of them. Modest is terrible when it has physical moves. I'd run [+Defense -Speed] nature with 252 HP / 172 Defense / 84 Attack, SAttack, or SDefense.

***Also, may I request the standard Giratina moveset, please

[email protected]
252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Sp.D
Bold /Impish / Relaxed Nature
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon Pulse

Rest Talk

or

[email protected]
252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Sp.D
Bold /Impish / Relaxed Nature
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon pulse
~ Roar
~ Protect / Earthquake

PHaze.

EQ is here for the sole reason of Heatran loving to come in on this. Otherwise if you dont fear Heatran, then its useless.

El Gofre February 26th, 2008 12:06 PM

Hi people, i need opinions on who it a better specail wall; Lugia or Latia (With sould dew btw). I also need sets for whichever you think works better.

Unlimited NiGHTS February 26th, 2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3372838)
Hi people, i need opinions on who it a better specail wall; Lugia or Latia (With sould dew btw). I also need sets for whichever you think works better.

Now, don't just take what I have to say and run with it. I'm very new at this game, so I'm likely to be screwing up. That said, I'm going to attempt this.

Lugia @ Leftovers; Pressure
Bold; 252 HP, 204 Special Defense, 52 Defense
Ice Beam
Whirlwind
Reflect
Roost

Latias @ Soul Dew; Levitate
Timid; 128 HP, 204 Special Attack, 176 Speed
Dragon Pulse
Grass Knot
Recover
Calm Mind

Dark Azelf February 26th, 2008 12:30 PM

[email protected] Dew
128 HP / 204 SpA / 176 Speed
Timid Nature
- Dragon pulse
- Grass Knot
- Wish
- protect

This is a superior as a sp.wall and a really nice set to use and passes Wish. However is much weaker on the defense side. It resists electric moves unlike lugia and is not weak to SR which both are somewhat common in ubers.



Lugia is better all around as in it can dual wall better, 106 base hp / 130 base def / 154 base sp.def =/. Its also a great PHazer.

Its really up to you Gofre, Latias is superior as a sp. wall, is not weak to SR, resists electric moves, whilst Lugia is a PHazer and a better"dual wall" so to speak.

Azonic February 26th, 2008 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3372686)
[email protected]
252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Sp.D
Bold /Impish / Relaxed Nature
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon Pulse

Rest Talk

or

[email protected]
252 HP / 244 Def / 12 Sp.D
Bold /Impish / Relaxed Nature
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Dragon Claw / Dragon pulse
~ Roar
~ Protect / Earthquake

PHaze.

EQ is here for the sole reason of Heatran loving to come in on this. Otherwise if you dont fear Heatran, then its useless.

Thank you, Dark_Azelf.

Also, to answer Gofre's question, I would probably use Lugia as it is a much better dual wall and therefore would have better walling coverage along with more resistances as well.

Valkyrie90 February 26th, 2008 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquallLion90 (Post 3368652)
Electivire (Physical Sweeper)
Item Held: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant (-s.atk +atk)
Ability: Motor Drive
Moves: Thunderpunch, Ice Punch, Cross Chop, Earthquake
EVs: 252 ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP

Breloom (SubPuncher)
Item Held: Toxic Orb
Nature: Adamant (-s.atk +atk)
Ability: Poison Heal
Moves: Substitute, Focus Punch, Stone Edge, Spore
Evs: 252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP

Gengar (Special Sweeper)
Item Held: Choice Specs
Nature: Timid (-atk +spd)
Ability: Levitate
Moves: Energy Ball, Thunderbolt, Hidden Power (Ice), Shadow Ball
Evs: 252 S.ATK 252 SPD 6 HP

Blissey (Special Wall)
Item Held: Leftovers
Nature: Bold (-atk +def)
Ability: Natural Cure
Moves: Aromatherapy, Seismic Toss, Softboiled, Thunder Wave
Evs: Already taken care of….

Swampert (Mixed Wall/Sweeper)
Item held: Leftovers
Nature: Sassy (-spd +s.def)
Ability: Torrent
Moves: Earthquake, Waterfall, Ice Beam, Curse
Evs: 252 HP 172 DEF 84 ATK

Forretress (Physical Wall, Spiker)
Item Held: Leftovers
Nature: Careful (-s.atk +s.def)
Ability: Sturdy
Moves: Earthquake, Stealth Rock, Explosion, Rapid Spin
Evs: 252 HP 252 DEF 6 ATK

Am I missing anything? I'm kind of worried about facing Scarmory, Bronzong, and Trick Room.

Why do people just ignore this? This has happened more then once on here and it's starting to get annoying. I'm just asking for peoples opinions on the team as a whole not just individual things in it and I know it looks solid, but I'm sure there's something wrong with it. Is it good, or do I need to fix it? It's that simple people. Thanks for your help...(and yes, I changed the team a little from the original post.)

Anti February 26th, 2008 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquallLion90 (Post 3374455)
Why do people just ignore this? This has happened more then once on here and it's starting to get annoying. I'm just asking for peoples opinions on the team as a whole not just individual things in it and I know it looks solid, but I'm sure there's something wrong with it. Is it good, or do I need to fix it? It's that simple people. Thanks for your help...(and yes, I changed the team a little from the original post.)

Nagging at us to rate every single thing that comes on here is annoying as well. We're not servants and you notice teams that have their own threads get more attention? :/ Nobody really had a comment but if you want a rate so bad I'll give you one.

Skarmbliss and Cress wall your entire team. gengar is the only thing that even has a chance at beating Cress and it can't even switch in to its STAB move. Even when Gengar does come in Blissey can just soak up shadow ball.

Cress walls your entire physical attacking core as well, especially the sleep talker variant that laughs at Breloom's spore and sleep talks an Ice Beam or STAB psychic in Breloom's face.

Your team also can't do anything to Dusknoir, again besides Gengar who gets smashed by shadow Sneak and with Blissey to help it (most Dusknoirs have Blissey with them) you will be walled again.

As for sweepers, Gyarados sets up on your entire team nad Forry has to blow up to kill it.

Mixed Infernape can 6-0 your team very easily and your team also has a lot of trouble with Swampert. Garchomp smashes everything and Gengar can only revenge kill it, and if Scarfchomp shows up it's gg.

MixMence also creams your entire team, again except for Gengar who can only revenge kill. That's just inviting weavile to come in.

Also forms of Lucario batter your entire team and eat it like a little kid eating cookie dough.

Really, Gengar is your ONLY means of special attacking, is very fragile, and gets crushed by Weavile. something tells me you're going to have a very hard time with anything that can take physical attacks the minute gengar dies. and A LOT kills Gengar.

Ghost-Ray February 27th, 2008 4:08 AM

Can i use neutral natures for my pokemon such as hardy, docile, serious, bashful and quirky?

Dark Azelf February 27th, 2008 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost-Ray (Post 3374972)
Can i use neutral natures for my pokemon such as hardy, docile, serious, bashful and quirky?

No, because they suck and do nothing.


You want a beneficial nature.

Ghost-Ray February 27th, 2008 4:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3374978)
No, because they suck and do nothing.


You want a beneficial nature.

i think it is to much of a hassle to keep catching, breeding pokemon just to find the right nature thats why i ask if they are good.

Dark Azelf February 27th, 2008 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost-Ray (Post 3374991)
i think it is to much of a hassle to keep catching, breeding pokemon just to find the right nature thats why i ask if they are good.

Well, if you want to win you NEED a beneficial nature. For example, lets look at Metagross, with a sucky neutral nature it gets 359 attack (Which will be considerable lower if it hasnt been iv bred) , and with a beneficial nature it gets 405 att, big difference, the difference between winning and losing.


Go catch Ditto's, its not that much of a hassle tbh and itll help you breed. You'll get all the natures after about a day of catching them. Or you can even go to the trade thread, alot of people have dittos, so im sure they'll have the nature you want.

TFN February 27th, 2008 11:43 AM

Any1 no a good move set for a caturne?

Anti February 27th, 2008 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3375013)
Well, if you want to win you NEED a beneficial nature. For example, lets look at Metagross, with a sucky neutral nature it gets 359 attack (Which will be considerable lower if it hasnt been iv bred) , and with a beneficial nature it gets 405 att, big difference, the difference between winning and losing.


Go catch Ditto's, its not that much of a hassle tbh and itll help you breed. You'll get all the natures after about a day of catching them. Or you can even go to the trade thread, alot of people have dittos, so im sure they'll have the nature you want.

Also, if you add something like choice Band to Metagross, the difference is even greater.

Use natures that lower a stat a pokemon doesn't need. For example, Mixed Swampert needs all stats except speed, so relaxed nature is usually used to help it take physical attacks while lowering its already terrible speed.

Metagross likes Adamant because CB variants (90% of Metagross used) don't have or need special attacks and it needs all the attack it can get.

Nuetral natures are an epic waste on everything, except maybe Unown who sucks anyways.


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