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PkMn Trained May 5th, 2008 11:40 AM

I need an even team for the elite four. My only requiement is it has lucario in it.

El Gofre May 5th, 2008 11:43 AM

In that case I'd probably move those SpDef EVs into Def, you have light screen to compensate. Since most outrage user are fully physical you can set up light screen when the switch. Other than that I don't know, i suppose some of that HP could get moved into attack to threaten more on the counterattack, but im guessing survivability is priority #1. Hypnosis over T wave, with gyro ball being half of your offensive you dont wanna slow them down.

sims796 May 5th, 2008 11:47 AM

I keep forgetting I have Gyro. But then again, I do already have Sleep Powder & WoW, so I could forgo Gyro Ball for Earthquake, as I lack a good EQer, and I always feel that they belong.

El Gofre May 5th, 2008 11:53 AM

Depends on how dedicated an outrage counter this is. Gyro's generally handier for this purpose, since quite a few outrage users fly. Plus it gets STAB to make up for its lack of coverage. But otherwise EQ's the way forward for better coverage, and i know what you mean- you gotta have an EQer ;)

Dark Azelf May 5th, 2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquillae (Post 3558445)
I would like to see a D/P McGar set, basically enough EVs for the sub to survive Blissey Ice Beam (standard 104 SpA) and still do damage with FP.
FP for Snorlax too, Shadow Ball for Cress.

Gengar @ ?

Focus Punch
Shadow Ball
Substitute
filler

I actually had a set for that, it needs a + sp.def nature

[email protected] Belt
58 HP / 60 att / 200 sp.def / 192 SPEED
Gentle Nature (+ SP.DEF, - DEF)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt / HP Ice

104 sp.att Blissey does

Damage: 21.09% - 24.73% to the above spread w/Ice Beam.



Focus Punch does

Damage: 50.56% - 59.52%

to max hp / max def Bold Blissey


and does

Damage: 47.91% - 56.26%

To 168 / 120 def (Curselax) Neutral Snorlax.


Also 36.04% - 42.34% on Max hp / max sp.def + Nature Cresselia w/Shadow Ball, which is not bad, considering the cress spread.



192 speed lets you outspeed all base 100's and neutral Garchomp. If you dont want to be that fast, you can cut it down.





@Sims, those evs look fine, but why Thunderwave when your using Gyro ball lolz. I dont think it can get T-Wave either



I also think you need something to block Machamp, not just Outrages [/Low Blow] Haha ;)

sims796 May 5th, 2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3559359)
I actually had a set for that, it needs a + sp.def nature

[email protected] Belt
58 HP / 60 att / 200 sp.def / 192 SPEED
Gentle Nature (+ SP.DEF, - DEF)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt / HP Ice

104 sp.att Blissey does

Damage: 21.09% - 24.73% to the above spread w/Ice Beam.



Focus Punch does

Damage: 50.56% - 59.52%

to max hp / max def Bold Blissey


and does

Damage: 47.91% - 56.26%

To 168 / 120 def (Curselax) Neutral Snorlax.


Also 36.04% - 42.34% on Max hp / max sp.def + Nature Cresselia w/Shadow Ball, which is not bad, considering the cress spread.



192 speed lets you outspeed all base 100's and neutral Garchomp. If you dont want to be that fast, you can cut it down.





@Sims, those evs look fine, but why Thunderwave when your using Gyro ball lolz. I dont think it can get T-Wave either



I also think you need something to block Machamp, not just Outrages [/Low Blow] Haha ;)

You see, I am sick of getting these moves wrong! I coulda sworn it could learn Thunderwave! Gah! Whelp, time for Hypnosis.

So, those EV's are sound? Good, cause YOU gave em to me! But I needed to see if it stood up to the changes. And yeah, Gofre, I'll try them both out. Gyro Ball may seem superior, but it has less PP, so...


Now I gotta wear a cuff.

ABYAY May 5th, 2008 4:19 PM

Alright, I'm in a slight dilemma. I have a standard Mismagius with Shadow Ball, HP Fighting, Calm Mind, and Taunt (Unique, but Bliss fodder and decimates teams not ready for it.) Anyway, I need 1 or 2 good accompanying pokemon to go with it. I'm not searching for anything in particular...just some stuff that partners well with it.

Cloud_85 May 5th, 2008 4:20 PM

Well I'm planning a new team, I want to start with an Agility BP Bulky Zapdos:


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252 HP/120 Def/138 Sp.Def
Bold
Thunderbolt
Roost
Agility
Baton Pass

This thing can survive to a CB Gyarados (Max attack) Stone Edge, or the always scary Draco Meteor on a Specsmence. ScarfGar can be a problem, but anyways he won't hurt me and I'll have a cleric in the team in case of a Hypnosys.



So, It this good? Or should I change a little things...?

Edit-
Actually ABY, Mismagius will have the same problem that Gengar, he will die to pursuit. T-Tar,Weavile, Metagross and othe pursuit users will be a mess. A pokemon that can deal with them will be good, maybe Heatran or another Steel. Also watch for his low defense, a Physical wall is always welcome.

Dark Azelf May 6th, 2008 7:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ABYAY (Post 3560026)
Alright, I'm in a slight dilemma. I have a standard Mismagius with Shadow Ball, HP Fighting, Calm Mind, and Taunt (Unique, but Bliss fodder and decimates teams not ready for it.) Anyway, I need 1 or 2 good accompanying pokemon to go with it. I'm not searching for anything in particular...just some stuff that partners well with it.

heatran covers its dark and Ghost weak, and mismagius covers heatrans fighting and ground weaks.

Something to consider.

Valarauca May 6th, 2008 12:07 PM

what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Dark Azelf May 6th, 2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Wut ? Im sorry but that made not sense what so ever, which pokemon ? Be specific.

El Gofre May 6th, 2008 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

Eevee: 57
Slowking: 53
Minun: 48
Dunsparce: Bred

Crystal Shaymin May 6th, 2008 3:39 PM

i need a specsmence set, that hasn't got HP ground or hydro pump :/

Lalapizzame May 6th, 2008 6:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemonshinylegends (Post 3562158)
i need a specsmence set, that hasn't got HP ground or hydro pump :/

Sorry,but then it isn't a Specsmence and gets walled by Heatran.

Sexycheese May 6th, 2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowman080 (Post 3561657)
what level to pokemon learn trump card?

I would not bother with that move mate.Takes to long for it to do any noticeable damage besides, the pokemon that can use trump card are pretty weak with exception to slowking

sims796 May 7th, 2008 4:14 AM

Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 5:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563657)
Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

true, but he is ok (use the term loosely) for stall. slowking is better as it gets slack off

sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:14 AM

Oh no, Slowking is good, but no matter who uses it, Trump Card sucks.

Archer May 7th, 2008 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563657)
Including Slowking. His attack ain't so hot.

I thought Trump Card was a Special Attack. Nevermind. Also, keep in mind that All the eeveelutions have access to it. This opens some options if it wasn't outdone by most STAB moves. It is almost useless competetively, as you cannot waste PP before a Battle, unlike in-game.

Also, are there any specific EVs for a Mixed wall Bronzong or should I just balance the Stats?


sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:45 AM

Well, whadda know, musta been thinking of Last Resort.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563867)
Well, whadda know, musta been thinking of Last Resort.

Last resort is good if you arte walling and all your other moves are low pp but
that can be very predictable plus it don`t work on ghosts

sims796 May 7th, 2008 5:55 AM

No. Last Resort is awful. You need to use up all your moves, and in wifi, that will almost never happen. You will lose way before you get to use it.

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3563903)
No. Last Resort is awful. You need to use up all your moves, and in wifi, that will almost never happen. You will lose way before you get to use it.

true. oh by the way anyone know a good moveset for cloister?

Dark Azelf May 7th, 2008 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyulf (Post 3563933)
true. oh by the way anyone know a good moveset for cloister?

[email protected]
252 HP / 200 SP.DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Surf / Rest
- ice Beam / Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes



Go for its sp.att and sp.def, it already has more than enough def anyways.



[email protected] Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- Nothing
- Nothing



OLOL

Sexycheese May 7th, 2008 6:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3563951)
[email protected]
252 HP / 200 SP.DEF / 56 SP.ATT
Bold Nature
- Surf / Rest
- ice Beam / Rest
- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Toxic Spikes



Go for its sp.att and sp.def, it already has more than enough def anyways.



[email protected] Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- Nothing
- Nothing



OLOL

Thanks a lot is toxic spikes from move tutor cuz if it is is
there an easier way to get a heart scale cuz i have not found one in underground for ages


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