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dragonfyre173 June 14th, 2008 4:30 PM

Hey, could I have a team that's just overall good for OU? I don't want ANY Ubers.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 4:31 PM

Can I get movesets for the following?;

Typhlosion
Heracross
Skarmory
Blissey
Starmie
Not sure what should go in the last spot.

Yeah, so I need alot of help. XD
My only essential pokemon is Typhlosion so any changes made to the others are fine. =D

dragonfyre173 June 14th, 2008 4:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .Bastion (Post 3673319)
Can I get movesets for the following?;

Typhlosion
Heracross
Skarmory
Blissey
Starmie
Not sure what should go in the last spot.

Yeah, so I need alot of help. XD
My only essential pokemon is Typhlosion so any changes made to the others are fine. =D

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
Smogon is your friend! Also, for the last spot, try a support pokemon.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonfyre173 (Post 3673328)
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
Smogon is your friend! Also, for the last spot, try a support pokemon.

Yeah but I'd like a cohesive team. I'm unsure of which particular movesets to use that would compliment the other pokemon's moves. Or even if that a certain pokemon is a viable option for my team.

Zowayix June 14th, 2008 5:01 PM

My friend and I are doing an NU-tier battle just for the heck of it, and I need a good moveset for my Bidoof.

Current moveset:
Bidoof @ Shell Bell
Return
Aqua Tail
Superpower
Amnesia

Angelic Diablo June 14th, 2008 5:19 PM

I believe Bidoof is NFE, unless of course you meant Bibarel

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Adament/Jolly Nature
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Simple
-Double Edge/Return
-Waterfall
-Superpower
-Quick Attack

Simple doubles all stat changes made, so if you pass him a SD it essentially passes 2 to him (unless my understanding is off). Quick Attack is there to finish off weakened foes (Focus Sashers). The rest is because that's pretty much all he can do

devilicious June 14th, 2008 5:24 PM

You're quite right Angelic Diablo.

I still recommend running Super Fang on all Bibarel sets- it's just that awesome of an attack.

Also, it's worth mentioning Pluck, which OHKO's Breloom and Heracross even without the SD. You could always run Amnesia and get a +4 Sp. Def boost. Bibarel also learns Taunt, another simply awesome move.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 5:27 PM

I'm guessing that you want the Typhlosion as a Special Sweeper??

[email protected]
Rash
252 SAtk/ 238 Speed/ 20 HP OR (Pref.) 252 SAtk / 238 Speed / 8 HP / 8 Defense
- Fire Blast
- Eruption
- Sunny Day / ???
- Solar Beam (Only If You Use Sunny Day, or have your other pkmn use it during double battle)

devilicious June 14th, 2008 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673416)
I'm guessing that you want the Typhlosion as a Special Sweeper??

[email protected]
Rash
252 SAtk/ 238 Speed/ 20 HP OR (Pref.) 252 SAtk / 238 Speed / 8 HP / 8 Defense
- Fire Blast
- Eruption
- Sunny Day / ???
- Solar Beam (Only If You Use Sunny Day, or have your other pkmn use it during double battle)

Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

I recommend a lead Typhlosion with Choice Scarf;
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Blaze
252 Sp. Atk / 144 Atk / 112 Speed
Mild/Rash
- Eruption
- Focus Punch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

A full powered Eruption is something to fear when coming from an above average Special Attack, backed up with Choice Scarf and 112 Speed EVs, outspeeding Base 130 Pokémon.

The Atk EVs allow your prediction to pay off by 2HKOing Blissey, in case the oponent switches her in to take the Eruption.

Overheat is for whenever your Eruption isn't powered up anymore due to residual damage [Typhy is weak to Stealth Rock], HP Ice for those pesky Dragons. You could change Overheat or HP for Earthquake to kick Heatran's balls in case it comes trying to absorb your Eruption, but a Focus Punch also cripples it pretty badly.

.Bastion June 14th, 2008 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673448)
Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

I recommend a lead Typhlosion with Choice Scarf;
Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
Blaze
252 Sp. Atk / 144 Atk / 112 Speed
Mild/Rash
- Eruption
- Focus Punch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Ice]

A full powered Eruption is something to fear when coming from an above average Special Attack, backed up with Choice Scarf and 112 Speed EVs, outspeeding Base 130 Pokémon.

The Atk EVs allow your prediction to pay off by 2HKOing Blissey, in case the oponent switches her in to take the Eruption.

Overheat is for whenever your Eruption isn't powered up anymore due to residual damage [Typhy is weak to Stealth Rock], HP Ice for those pesky Dragons. You could change Overheat or HP for Earthquake to kick Heatran's balls in case it comes trying to absorb your Eruption, but a Focus Punch also cripples it pretty badly.

Sweet. Thanks alot Deviruchi.

Any pokemon that would work particularly well in tangent with Typhlosion?

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:22 PM

Since Typhlosion is weak to SR, packing a Rapid Spinner is usually a good choice.

Blissey, Snorlax and Milotic all wall it- so having something to destroy them usually pays off, too. Blissey and Snorlax have problems against Machamp, while I recommend using Starmie to take care of Milotic.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673448)
Why Rash? How do you get an opportunity to set up Sunny Day? Why are 4 EVs left out in the second spread? Why not full speed? Eruption?
Also, this is not a Special Sweeper, but a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer.

1) Why not?
2) I stated that it would work better if a partner pokemon used before you sent out the Typho, or if a partner Pokemon used it during Double Battle
3) Typo
4) Typho has rather low defence, and you don't want some phyical sweeper ground typed Pokemon KOing you with Eq
5) Again, why not?
6) Excuse me, for not being up-to-date on terms, and a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer, is just a type of Special Sweeper, is it not?

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
1) Why not?

Because you don't have a single Atk-based move. So why not use Modest?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
2) I stated that it would work better if a partner pokemon used before you sent out the Typho, or if a partner Pokemon used it during Double Battle

Then don't put it in the moveset.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
4) Typho has rather low defence, and you don't want some phyical sweeper ground typed Pokemon KOing you with Eq

They will already OHKO you even with that investment. It's not worth having fake survival hopes when you could be outspeeding more Pokémon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
5) Again, why not?

You'll take too much damage from SR to use effectively. Unless this is a leading Typhlosion, in which case the set I posted is superior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673649)
6) Excuse me, for not being up-to-date on terms, and a Chlorophyll-less Sunnybeamer, is just a type of Special Sweeper, is it not?

Last time I checked, Special Sweepers needed type coverage.

Gulpin June 14th, 2008 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviruchi (Post 3673661)
Because you don't have a single Atk-based move. So why not use Modest?

Modest could be an option, but the moveset doesn't need special defense either.

Then don't put it in the moveset.

TM 11, yes, Typholusion does learn it.

Last time I checked, Special Sweepers needed type coverage.

It covers every type it can that it is weak against.

All of my remarks are posted in bold in the above quote.

devilicious June 14th, 2008 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
Modest could be an option, but the moveset doesn't need special defense either.

...and you even added HP EVs. It's better to take less damage than taking more, especially since you won't be losing anything with Modest. It's not an option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
TM 11, yes, Typholusion does learn it.

Yes, but it could have Hidden Power [Ice] or Focus Blast in that moveslot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikasu (Post 3673681)
It covers every type it can that it is weak against.

Yeah, what about other fire types? :B
You don't need to cover only types you're weak against- scoring SE hits against walls is just as important.

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 1:19 AM

Devi is right, sunnybeam sucks. The boost to fire moves is minimal and solarbeam is a sucky move with terrible coverage. It also makes you extremely predictable with 3 of your 4 moves already open to the public. Heatran walls you no end too. Use the set devi suggested.

. June 15th, 2008 1:22 AM

Making up a team of Pokemon using movesets that are either using their weakest stat (such as Specslax) or just weird movesets/EVs. This team will probably be novelty, but I need some help.

Here is a Tyranitar I'm working on:

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
232 SpA, 62 Spe, 216Att
Hasty Nature
Dynamic Punch
Dragon Pulse
Crunch
Thunderbolt

Meh, maybe this will be unheard of and hopefully unused currently.

Snorlax @ Choice Specs
252 HP, 252 SpA, 6 Def
Modest Nature
Blizzard/Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Snorlax has an excellent Special movepool, so why not? Confused at what to use; Base 120 attacks for power, or Base 95 for accuracy. Lax needs all the power he can get with that sagging 65 Base SpA

Blissey @ Life Orb
252 HP, 252 Att, 6 Def
Adamant Nature
Double Edge
Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Softboiled

Awesome coverage xD. Life Orb so I can Softboiled.

Alakazam @ Focus Sash
252 Def, 202 HP, 56 SpD
Calm
Safeguard
Reflect
Light Screen
Thief

Walling Zam is awesome. If I can get up all three, I can sweep, sweep, sweep with everyone else.

Gengar @ Life Orb
252 Att, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Adamant
Shadow Claw
Focus Punch
Substitute
Ice Punch

Nothing can wall the mad attack of physical GENGAR!

Infernape @ Leftovers
252 Def, 252 SpD, 6 HP
Bold
Protect
Will O Wisp
Slack Off
U-Turn

Inferwall. Slack Off gives me instant heal. Will O Wisp lets me halve enemy attack stats. Protect for scouting and U-Turn to switch in a counter.

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 1:29 AM

I'm sorry, but deliberately misusing pokes does not warrent a rate. If they were novelty yet plausible i would, but as it stands there is no point with half of those pokes.

Aquilae June 15th, 2008 2:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tyranitar
stuff

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Hasty 252 Speed/64 SpA/194 Att

Ice Beam
Fire Blast
Crunch
Stone Edge/Earthquake

Standard MixScarfTar, OHKOs stuff like Gar.


Snorlax @ Choice Specs
252 HP, 252 SpA, 6 Def
Modest Nature
Blizzard/Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Fire Blast/Flamethrower

Snorlax has an excellent Special movepool, so why not? Confused at what to use; Base 120 attacks for power, or Base 95 for accuracy. Lax needs all the power he can get with that sagging 65 Base SpA


What >.>


Blissey @ Life Orb
252 HP, 252 Att, 6 Def
Adamant Nature
Double Edge
Dynamic Punch
Earthquake
Softboiled

Awesome coverage xD. Life Orb so I can Softboiled.


What >.>

Alakazam @ Focus Sash
252 SpA/252 Speed/6 HP
Timid
Counter
Encore
Psychic
GK

CounterEncoreSash is way cooler.

Gengar @ Choice Band
252 Att, 252 Spe, 6 HP
Adamant
Shadow Claw
Focus Punch
Thunderbolt/Poison Jab
Ice Punch

NEEDS CB, cannot be emphasised more.


Infernape @ Leftovers
252 Def, 252 SpD, 6 HP
Bold
Protect
Will O Wisp
Slack Off
U-Turn

Inferwall. Slack Off gives me instant heal. Will O Wisp lets me halve enemy attack stats. Protect for scouting and U-Turn to switch in a counter.


Gofre I did that half which has point =P

El Gofre June 15th, 2008 2:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquilae (Post 3674232)
Gofre I did that half which has point =P

Wut do joo meen? Joo krossed owt fisikul Bliss!!!1! Nub ;)

Zowayix June 15th, 2008 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3673395)
I believe Bidoof is NFE, unless of course you meant Bibarel

Thanks for the moveset, but I really did mean Bidoof. I said I was going to do a NU-tier battle.
And I think Simple only works for moves used ON it and not baton passed to it.

By the way, what does NFE mean?

Ambient June 15th, 2008 6:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zowayix (Post 3674623)
Thanks for the moveset, but I really did mean Bidoof. I said I was going to do a NU-tier battle.
And I think Simple only works for moves used ON it and not baton passed to it.

By the way, what does NFE mean?

NFE = Not fully evolved, NU tier is never used. Bidoof is NFE, something like Parasect is NU.

airconditioning June 15th, 2008 7:56 AM

I think that Pokemon are only placed in the NFE tier if they are exactly like their evolutions. For example, Sneasel is NFE, as he is simply an underpowered Weavile. Someone like Porygon2, however, is considered UU (I think) because he's bulkier than his epileptic evolution. And I shouldn't have to bring up Scyther.

Since Bidoof doesn't have the secondary Water typing of Bibarel, he's considered a different Pokemon, and placed in a relevant tier.

I think. :/

. June 15th, 2008 9:30 AM

Inferwall was win :( But I actually am interested in Scarftar. Is it better than CB at leads considering the extra speed?

KantoJohto June 15th, 2008 5:47 PM

Can someone help me for a moveset for a Salamence? I generally want him to be a mixed sweeper since I have 2 special sweepers and 1 physical sweeper. Any ideas?


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