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Towlie December 30th, 2007 8:21 PM

Oh snap.
 
A new team I made on Shoddy that's been doing pretty good, except for Anti's Gengar with a Nasty Plot in. Lol.

The Team:
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa286.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb373.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb442.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffsb/dpffsb242.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb251.png


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa286.png
Breloom (♂) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Spore
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb

Lead Breloom. Beats out standard Gyara and Hippo which ends up with them revealing 3-4 pokemon to me.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb373.png
Salamence (♀) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 64 HP/56 Atk/136 Spd/252 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Brick Break
- Roost
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast

Mixmence. Quite neat actually. Kills Blissey, Skarm, and a lot of other threats. Roost for obvious reasons.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb442.png
Spiritomb (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/124 SAtk/116 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Sleep Absorber. No weak attacking wise, and defensive wise. May pour more into Sp. Def.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png
Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/64 Atk/192 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Explosion


Spike up, Spin away spikes, and explode any major threats.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffsb/dpffsb242.png
Blissey (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Toxic
- Ice Beam

My own original set.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb251.png
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/40 Spd/56 SAtk/160 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Leech Seed
- U-turn
- Psychic

Celebi is pretty cute.

Anti December 30th, 2007 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie (Post 3209845)
A new team I made on Shoddy that's been doing pretty good, except for Anti's Gengar with a Nasty Plot in. Lol.

Yes, my oh so sexy gengar took out your entire team. GO AMBIPOM! But you took out Articuno in ONE HIT! :'(

The Team:
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa286.pnghttp://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb373.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb442.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffsb/dpffsb242.png http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb251.png


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa286.png
Breloom (♂) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Spore
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb

Lead Breloom. Beats out standard Gyara and Hippo which ends up with them revealing 3-4 pokemon to me.

Looks good.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb373.png
Salamence (♀) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 64 HP/56 Atk/136 Spd/252 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Brick Break
- Roost
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower

Mixmence. Quite neat actually. Kills Blissey, Skarm, and a lot of other threats. Roost for obvious reasons.

I'll take your word on this one. I don't know what this does to blissey with Brick Break, but Dragon Claw is a worthy substitute. Looks fine though.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb442.png
Spiritomb (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/124 SAtk/116 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Sleep Absorber. No weak attacking wise, and defensive wise. May pour more into Sp. Def.

They call this thing a Gengar counter? O really? fine :P

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa205.png
Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/64 Atk/192 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Explosion


Spike up, Spin away spikes, and explode any major threats.

Haven't seen this variant, maybe invest more EVs in Def since you aren't really attacking except explosion, which never really needs a boost.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffsb/dpffsb242.png
Blissey (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Toxic
- Ice Beam

My own original set.

Interesting. I suggest using a Samurai Blissey over it though :P Toxic is interesting, but the overall lack of support bugs me. Eh, that's just me complaining lol

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfsb/dpmfsb251.png
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/40 Spd/56 SAtk/160 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Leech Seed
- U-turn
- Psychic

Celebi is pretty cute.No it isn't...

lol, looks fine. You'll probably want more Def though.

Edit in bold. Yeah, random ice beaming pokemon or ice sharders look like they could cause this team some problems. Ice Shard alone ravages half your team, and fast ice beam users will have the same affect.

Towlie December 30th, 2007 8:35 PM

Celebi takes non stabbed Ice Beams like a Snow Cone. Spiritomb counters Gengar when it doesn't have +2 Sp.Atk

Anti December 30th, 2007 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie (Post 3209891)
Celebi takes non stabbed Ice Beams like a Snow Cone. Spiritomb counters Gengar when it doesn't have +2 Sp.Atk

Just kidding about gengar :P But just ice attacks in general (physical ones too!) can cause trouble. Nothing too bad, just something to keep an eye out for.

Samson December 30th, 2007 11:52 PM

that mence set does 48.60% - 57.14% to Bold 252 DEF/252 HP before Leftovers recovery.

i think it's unfortunate that you do have a x3 fire and ice weak and only one resist for each. heatran really gives this team troubles, especially if it's the taunt variant.

and how is forretress going to survive hits from major threats anyway? put those evs into sp def and give it occa berry if you expect it to do any exploding.

you really need something faster on this team. your fastest is salamence and he's getting raeped by stealth rock trying to ditch ice beams/ice punches.

Towlie December 31st, 2007 8:02 AM

So, that's a 2HKO normally, considering foretress lays spikes/sr. Plus, that's not exactly a standard EV spread anymore. Standard ones run 148 HP, if any at all.

As for Heatran: Never had a problem with one yet. All it can do to Blissey is explode, which takes away Heatran, which is okay with me.

If the Ice attack isn't stabbed, Celebi takes it like nothing. Mence never has a problem with SR, as he Roosts it all away. And normally, Ice types don't stay in on Mence, fearing specs a lot of the time. Plus, I run Fire Blast anyways. Ice Shard simply won't do enough with -1 Atk + Roost.

As for Foretress, Major threats to the rest of the team. I'm pretty sure Foretress can take a Scarf Outrage from Chomp with 400 defense. Which in return, he explodes in their face.

Dark Azelf December 31st, 2007 8:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie (Post 3210979)
So, that's a 2HKO normally, considering foretress lays spikes/sr. Plus, that's not exactly a standard EV spread anymore. Standard ones run 148 HP, if any at all.

As for Heatran: Never had a problem with one yet. All it can do to Blissey is explode, which takes away Heatran, which is okay with me.

If the Ice attack isn't stabbed, Celebi takes it like nothing. Mence never has a problem with SR, as he Roosts it all away. And normally, Ice types don't stay in on Mence, fearing specs a lot of the time. Plus, I run Fire Blast anyways. Ice Shard simply won't do enough with -1 Atk + Roost.

As for Foretress, Major threats to the rest of the team. I'm pretty sure Foretress can take a Scarf Outrage from Chomp with 400 defense. Which in return, he explodes in their face.


Mix mence usually runs 120 att evs, you might want to take those Hp evs away so you can wreck blissey. With your current ev spread your not guaranteed a 2HKO AFTER leftovers recovery.

I usually run Dragon Claw >> Roost but meh if it works for ya.

As for Heatran, the Metal Sound set causes you loads of problems and 2hkos blissey after a metal sound with fire blast.

Otherwise it looks very nice.


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