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flamehaze94 January 1st, 2008 11:09 AM

Standard team that has ranked me #1337 on Shoddy (and droppin)
 
ya rly..
Here's a team that I've had a lot of success in, I've been using it for a while it has won me 3 out of my 3 matches lol, but here ya go:



http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/475.png

Gallade @ Choice Band
Trait: Steadfast
EVs: 236HP / 244Atk / 28Spd
Adamant nature(+Atk, -SpAtk)
- Close Combat
- Night Slash
- Psycho Cut
- Ice Punch

Highly underestimated little destructo-ball. This thing will tear the entire metagame in two. Psycho Cut gives Weezing, Gengar, and Tentacruel a run for their money as well as hitting opposed fighters i.e. Hitmontop. Night Slash is it's biggest weapon aginst the likes of Dusknoir and Cresselia. Ice Punch craps on the ever so common dragons and Gliscor. Outspeeds the magic 202 speed group.

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/227.png

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Trait Keen Eye
EVs: 252HP / 232Def / 20Atk / 4Spd
Impish nature(+Def, -SpAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
- Roost

I whipped up a little concuction here, so hear me out. SD Brave Bird manages to 2HKO max HP/Def Blissey, guaranteed. It manages to 2HKO, albiet very unlikely, even bulky Gyarados post Intimidate after a Swords Dance. Whirlwind will catch other Skarmory unawares with that little boost in speed, it also serves as a sort of scout. Roost will heal the Brave Bird recoils and some other forms of residue damage. Offensive Skarmory with a bit of wallage left, eh?

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/73.png

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 212HP / 96Def / 164SpDef / 36Spd
Calm nature(+SpDef, -Atk)
- Surf
- Sludge Bomb
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin

Katsura's anti-bulky water... bulky water. Sludge Bomb hits a lot of grassers and opposing waters harder than HP [Electric] or Ice Beam can. Spins and sets up its own Toxic Spikes. I had Hydro Pump, sêeing how it can 2HKO Forretress, Wêezing, and Skarmory, but I ran with Surf for more PP and acc. SpecsMence counter? I may just consider Ice Beam just for that.

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/243.png

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 104HP / 196SpAtk / 56SpDef / 152Spd
Timid nature(+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- HP [Ice]
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

NO WEAKZ! This thing is as close as unstopable as special swêepers get after about 3 CM passes, and...wait! What do we have here?

......


http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/251.png

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252HP / 220Def / 36Spd
Bold nature(+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Baton Pass
- Recover
- Grass Knot

The best CM passer, period. Also serves as my Brelõom and Gyarados counter. My anti-bulky water... head of lettuce. Raikou's EVs allow him to 2HKO Swampert with HP [Ice] after about 3 CM bõosts and outspêed Jolly Garchomp, while retaining some form of bulk.

http://www.pokebeach.com/images/gallery/sugimori/485.png

Heatran @ Life Orb
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 40HP / 252SpAtk / 216Spd
Rash nature(+SpAtk, -SpDef)
- Taunt
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Explosion

Anti-CressBlissSkarmGlisNoir ftw? Taunttran has no weakz, it catches a lot of people off-guard expecting a ScarfTran. Explosion to go out with a bang.


inbe4pogeymanzweak
no 3rd gen pokes ;__;

Syaoran January 1st, 2008 4:11 PM

Raikou: Restalking a pokemon with a weakness to such a common move doesn't seem like a good idea.

Tentacruel: No it is not a SpecsMence counter. I ran a similar set and it still can't guarantee its survival after 2 draco meteors (the 2nd one weakened of course). Also no Ice Beam, so uhh, I can't see it countering Salamence.

Skarmory: No Stealth Rock / Spikes? Phew, I can calmly breathe now, bringing in my Forretress and setting up my own spikes. Might as well use a Nasty Plot Togekiss with Air Slash and you'll have a 60% flinch rate.

Heatran: Told you before I think Metal Sound is a lot better on this set than Explosion. Then again, you don't need to force switches if you don't have Stealth Rock or Spikes, lol.

Gallade: I'd give it Hypnosis somewhere in the moveset, maybe instead of Psycho Cut. Being stuck on a psychic move when Tyranitar or Weavile are lurking and waiting to pursuit isn't fun. It doesn't resist it, and with its minor defence, the damage will still be high.

Celebi: Cute.

Shiraishi January 1st, 2008 4:34 PM

The Gallade has a CB, so I doubt Hypnosis would work @[email protected]

Syaoran January 2nd, 2008 2:23 AM

It's like putting Sleep Talk on a CB Heracross. It's not a direct attack, but it can be useful in cases. Hypnosis lets him put an opponent to sleep, especially one that he can't hurt much with his attacks.

El Gofre January 2nd, 2008 5:00 AM

Nice team, tenta may as well have black sludge though

Ársa January 2nd, 2008 5:14 AM

One little querk I have, is that I would rather Psychic over Grass Knot on Celebi. I have used both sets in the past, and Psychic has performed better, especially after a few CM's.

Also, as Syaoran said, I would rather Metal Sound over Explosion, but that's just me. :)

Last time I checked also, many Skarmory run with somewhere in the 16 EV's for speed range, unsure where I saw it, but yeah. :)

P.S. Many opposing Skarm won't see the threat in Whirlwinding you when you don't run SR / Spikes, so you may not need to worry anyway.

~M51

Samson January 2nd, 2008 10:08 AM

grass knot on celebi is necessary to 2HKO gyarados.

Eos Aduro January 2nd, 2008 11:23 AM

I have trouble rating a team that apparently has NO WEAKZ with a Z, but whatever. Bad garmmer doesnt stop me!

Calm Mind Raikuo works better, truthfully. Resttalking something weak to Earthquake is a little troubling. Plus a bolt beam resist with Earthquake (cough Bronzong cough) will give you some trouble.

flamehaze94 January 2nd, 2008 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3215759)
Raikou: Restalking a pokemon with a weakness to such a common move doesn't seem like a good idea.

Oh, and I guess experimenting with ReSTalk Metagross is also a bad idea..

Tentacruel: No it is not a SpecsMence counter. I ran a similar set and it still can't guarantee its survival after 2 draco meteors (the 2nd one weakened of course). Also no Ice Beam, so uhh, I can't see it countering Salamence.

Very true, meh whatever..

Skarmory: No Stealth Rock / Spikes? Phew, I can calmly breathe now, bringing in my Forretress and setting up my own spikes. Might as well use a Nasty Plot Togekiss with Air Slash and you'll have a 60% flinch rate.

Oh ,whew, it's just a Forretress I can just bring in Heatran and Fire Blast it away, then switch into Tentacruel to spin the spins away.

Heatran: Told you before I think Metal Sound is a lot better on this set than Explosion. Then again, you don't need to force switches if you don't have Stealth Rock or Spikes, lol.

I have run Metal Sound with Taunt, but I really disliked it..
Explosion is much more reliable...
*i wonder if that made sense?*


Gallade: I'd give it Hypnosis somewhere in the moveset, maybe instead of Psycho Cut. Being stuck on a psychic move when Tyranitar or Weavile are lurking and waiting to pursuit isn't fun. It doesn't resist it, and with its minor defence, the damage will still be high.

Hypnosis would be good on Gallade but I luff my Gallade set ;__;

Celebi: Cute.
<333


Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre
Nice team, tenta may as well have black sludge though

Leftovers>>>Black Sludge.
It's just like those common misperceptions with Toxic/Flame Orb. Leftovers is just better.




Yes, Grass KNot 2HKOs Gyarados as Samson said.

Still too common weaks, but that's what I get for not using Cress/Bliss/Glisc etc.
I'm becoming quite known for using CMCelery pass with ReSTalk Raikou ^_^

El Gofre January 2nd, 2008 11:33 AM

But dont sludge and lefties yeild the same healing potential?

flamehaze94 January 2nd, 2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3217733)
But dont sludge and lefties yeild the same healing potential?


Exactly, then why'd you tell me to switch to Black Sludge? >.>

Syaoran January 2nd, 2008 11:40 AM

Black Sludge so if you get Trick'd, their pokemon is punished by losing health each turn.

Metagross, unlike Raikou, has the defences to pull off Restalk. It can take hits a lot better.

El Gofre January 2nd, 2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3217741)
Exactly, then why'd you tell me to switch to Black Sludge? >.>

Erm because if they both heal the same amount, and then there's one which does damage on top of that, isnt it obvious?

flamehaze94 January 2nd, 2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3217750)
Black Sludge so if you get Trick'd, their pokemon is punished by losing health each turn.

Metagross, unlike Raikou, has the defences to pull off Restalk. It can take hits a lot better.

Great, now they have Black Sludge which they can then Trick into one of my other walls, thus crippling it.



ReSTalk Kou is simply amazing, Sub+CM sets fall to Blissey and I have Celery passing CMs, it actually beats the many stall teams laying around
As I said, I'm actually getting well known for using CMCelery+STalkKou combo xDDD

Syaoran January 2nd, 2008 2:40 PM

If you are a smart player you wouldn't let that happen. You'll just keep Tentacruel in if you're still facing the tricker.


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