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st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 12:45 PM

what is the best HM move
 
what do you think is the best HM move?

mine is surf because it is a strong,water move.it is also very important to travelling to islands!

GeneralGuy January 1st, 2008 12:46 PM

Physical - Waterfall
Special - Surf

st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 12:48 PM

surf is better than waterfall physicly dude!

PB. January 1st, 2008 12:48 PM

Surf for me as it is strong and useful, the second would be Fly or Dive.

GeneralGuy January 1st, 2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azuman (Post 3215058)
surf is better than waterfall physicly dude!

No, Surf is a special attack. Waterfall is a physical attack.

Shiny Umbreon January 1st, 2008 12:50 PM

Surf and Waterfall are the only good HMs, as General Guy said.

Kittyipawd January 1st, 2008 12:51 PM

waterfall is a good move because even though it is a hm it is used in compietive play ,it is a great STAB move for water types

st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 12:54 PM

where did you get that trainer card?

ktn January 1st, 2008 12:57 PM

i like surf more.it is dependable because it accuracy is 100

Shiny Umbreon January 1st, 2008 12:57 PM

azuman, don't go offtopic. You can ask those kind of things through PM.

Waker of Chaos January 1st, 2008 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azuman (Post 3215058)
surf is better than waterfall physicly dude!

Surf is a special attack. Waterfall is a physical attack. Learn your moves.

Also, these are the best HM moves period for battle. Rock Climb comes second. The rest suck.

ClassicRockFan January 1st, 2008 1:00 PM

I have to say surf since the other ones are pretty bad (except for waterfall) or the other ones have horrible battle effects.

#Gecko# January 1st, 2008 1:04 PM

Quote:

Surf is a special attack. Waterfall is a physical attack. Learn your moves.

Also, these are the best HM moves period for battle. Rock Climb comes second. The rest suck.
Have you heard of Return?
Only the Water HM are good(except Dive). The rest suck.

BakingBluePotatoe January 1st, 2008 1:28 PM

Surf, Waterfall, FLy and Dive. Love 'Em. Period

Supreme Dirt January 1st, 2008 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #Gecko# (Post 3215106)
Have you heard of Return?
Only the Water HM are good(except Dive). The rest suck.

Return is a TM, not an HM.

And Fly is somewhat decent, but still not very good, now that its power went from 70 to 90.
Rock Smash sucks, even though it's power was doubled, but may be vaguely useful to some people.
I don't like surf as much because I prefer double battles, although having 2 pokemon with water absorb is a strong combination.
Waterfall is somewhat decent.

I have to say that for me, Fly and Surf are the best when used properly.

Eruption January 1st, 2008 2:01 PM

Best - Fly. I need to go to some towns plus I get to dissapear for a turn in battle. :D

Worst - Defog. Gives Flash back!

st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 2:05 PM

surf is more realistic than waterfall come on[ooh i rode up a waterfall today what did you do?]
surf makes more sense
P.S.rock smash is crap.

Gymnotide January 1st, 2008 2:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azuman (Post 3215299)
surf is more realistic than waterfall come on[ooh i rode up a waterfall today what did you do?]
surf makes more sense
P.S.rock smash is crap.

Oo, I went surfing today, what did you do?

Maybe the user summons up a waterfall under them, shoots themself at the
enemy with the waterfall, then smacks them up the face while rising high into
the air. Huh? Ever thought of that?

Rock Smash is like Leer with damage -____-
Strength is okay.
Rock Climb is *okay*, but not reliable at all.
Fly is terrible.
Cut is badbadbadbadbadbadbad.
Defog is worthless as it only works twice in the game.

Dive and Flash are no longer HMs.

st.jimmy January 1st, 2008 2:34 PM

but they will be in the next game most probs.not as if defog will stick around!!!!!

albinoballpython January 1st, 2008 5:47 PM

surf by far, its incredibly powerful and useful

Ayano Katagiri January 1st, 2008 5:49 PM

Surf and Waterfall as said many times previously. xD

Outside of battle Fly is probably most handy. I would hate it if we had to cycle or surf all the way to the other side of the map everytime.

Shadowthinker January 1st, 2008 6:16 PM

1.Rock Smash is better than Cut because it lowers defense

Strength and Waterfall are similar. Rock climb isn't bad because it could confuse you.Rest are plain bad.

Kirioroshi January 1st, 2008 9:43 PM

Waterfall is a great move. Probably one of the best physical water moves out there.
80 power, 100 accuracy and 20% flinch. whats not to like?

Surf, probably one of the best Special water attack out there. 95 power 100 accuracy and hits everything on the field. whats not to like?

Silence January 1st, 2008 10:09 PM

The most useful HM in my opinion is surf. Not only does it transport you across water (which is very helpful), it is a special attack that does a decent amount of damage.

Short Range January 1st, 2008 10:38 PM

Well now that surf isn't used much anymore I'd have to say Waterfall. It's a great physical attack to have on Life Orb Gyara.


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