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AppleJ January 2nd, 2008 1:48 PM

Please rate my team
 
Infernape~ choice band
Nature:+ Speed - def
Evs: 184 Atk / 232 Spd / 92 SAtk
flare blitz
Close Combat
Earthquake
Grass Knot

Raichu~Focus Sash
Nature: +speed -attack
EV:252 SP.ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Focus Blast


Tangrowth~ lefties
nature: +Def -sp.Attack
Evs: 252 HP, 216 Def, 40 Atk
leaf guart
Knock off
Power Whip
leech seed
sleep powder

Snorlax ~ lefties
+Sp.Def -Sp.Attack
Evs: 172 HP, 40 At, 120 Def, 176 Sp. Def
thick fat
rest
crunch
curse
Body slam

Bronzong~ lefties
levitate
nature: + def -Speed
Evs: 252 HP 152 Sp.Def 105 Def
Hypnosis
Gyroball
heal block
Toxic

Suicune~ lefties
Evs: 128Def 252SpAttack 128 SpDef
nature: +sp.attack -Attack
Surf
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
shadow ball

El Gofre January 2nd, 2008 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3218157)
Yes, i could need some help. I know, some movesets are very strange o.o

Electivire~ Focus Shash
6/252/0/0/0/252 (HP,Attack, Defense, Sp.attack, Sp. defense, speed)
ice punch
fire punch
focus punch
Thunderpunch
Seems ok, Im not expert on vire. I'd lose focus punch, but then again i only ever run it with sub. The way you type your EVs is a bit complicated, just do it how everyone else does.

Gengar~ Choice Specs
6/0/0/252/0/252
Hypnosis/ mean look
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb
Focus Blast /Thunder bolt
Don't run non-attacking moves on a choiced poke, You're gonna have to switch out which gives them a chance to.Otherwise set seems ok, scrap sludge bomb (Lack of coverage) and mean look, use focus blast, thunderbolt and hypnosis, and use wide lense to constitute for your moves inaccuracy

Tangrowth~ lefties
0/0/252/129/129/0
ancientpower
energy ball
leech seed
sleep powder
Good. Ive never used it but seems ok. Substitute of AP

Snorlax ~ lefties
252/129/0/0/129/0
rest
Sleep talk
Brick Break
Body slam
Ok

Registeel~ Bright Powder
0/127/128/127/128/0
Iron head
Thunderbolt
Stealth Rock
Exposion
Bit weird, Ive never seen a registeel being used before. Firstly Bright powder is a hax move, so scrap it. EVs should ALWAYS be divisible by 4, with the 2 extra shoved anywhere. Im not gonna start on the moveset since ive never encountered this poke ever.

Suicune~ leftie
0/0/129/252/129/0
Surf
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
shadow ball/ Extrasensory
Again, very strange set. This is possibly the first cune ive seen not being used to wall. It could work, but I'd go with the standard CMcune (If you can find one on this site lol

Looks like quite a good team, some quite strange stuff ive never seen before. Still, that could work to your advantage, no-one will know what to do lol.

Iceman3k January 2nd, 2008 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3218157)
Yes, i could need some help. I know, some movesets are very strange o.o

Electivire~ Expert Belt / Life Orb
232 Atk / 176 Spd / 100 SAtk
ice punch
fire punch / Earthquake / Flamethrower
Cross Chop
Thunderbolt

Gengar~ Choice Specs
6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Energy Ball
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Why would you use a non-damaging move with Choice Specs?

Tangrowth~ lefties
252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Def
Power Whip
Earthquake
leech seed
sleep powder
I'm not too keen as to how Tangrowth works, but I know a few people use it Physically.

Snorlax ~ lefties
172 HP / 40 Atk / 120 Def / 176 SDef
rest
Curse
Crunch
Body slam
Sleep Talk = Suck on Snorlax in 4th Gen.

Registeel~ Leftovers
EVs: 208 HP / 80 Atk / 84 Def / 136 SDef
Iron head
Thunder / Thunder Wave
Stealth Rock
Rest
Putting a wall to waste with Explosion is the worst idea ever.
Use Thunder, and abuse ParaFlinch.


Suicune~ leftie
240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SDef
Surf
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Rest / Roar

Okay, first of all, the format you have your EVs in SUCKS. Put the number, followed by the abbreviation (Atk, Def, Spd, SAtk, or SDef)

Next, 252 spreads also suck. Perhaps you need to read up on PROPERLY distributing EVs.
Lastly, you need Natures. They're one of the important parts of team building.

EDIT: Registeel EVs now included

AppleJ January 3rd, 2008 12:29 PM

thx for rating!
I will do some changes now, but @Iceman Electivire is used physical. The same is by Tangrowth.

flamehaze94 January 3rd, 2008 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3220917)
thx for rating!
I will do some changes now, but @Iceman Electivire is used physical. The same is by Tangrowth.

Someones never heard of a Mix Sweeper.


Oh and guys, there never was a problem with a none attacking move on a Choice user. I can't believe people are still not realizing that.

Ehh..the EVs and movesets need a lot of work

For Suicune:

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressura
EVs: 252HP / 252Def / 6SpDef
Bold anture(+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Calm Mind
- Rest / Ice Beam
- Sleep Talk / Roar



Rehisteel wants Ice Punch.

Iceman3k January 3rd, 2008 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamehaze94 (Post 3221822)
Oh and guys, there never was a problem with a none attacking move on a Choice user. I can't believe people are still not realizing that.

So it's okay for Gengar to use Hypnosis, then has to IMMEDIATELY SWITCH BACK OUT WHEN IT COULD BE DOING SOMETHING MUCH USEFUL. Honestly, if you're not going to abuse Choice items to full potential, use a Life Orb.

And please tell me how and why Registeel can get Ice Punch when:

A. It's only learnable in Pokemon Emerald, and that Battle Tower is too much of a ****ing headache
B. There's no room on it to give it Ice Punch (It needs Rest for recovery one way or another, and ParaFlinch needs to be abused on it)
C. His base Attack sucks too much to use Ice Punch (Is it going to OHKO Garchomp, Gliscor, Dragonite, or Salamence? Hell no, it won't.)

Quote:

but @Iceman Electivire is used physical. The same is by Tangrowth.
So it's okay to allow Skarmory and Gyarados live, right?
Electivire does NOT need to be all Physical. It requires Thunderbolt if it's going to eliminate the bastard wall named Skarmory that will just make it go away. And Flamethrower's purpose is to screw off Forretress.

AppleJ January 4th, 2008 3:44 AM

hm i testet the cune with the moveset i gave him. And imo it great, because he has great HP Ivs so he survive and thunderbolt with about half HP left. So i could use Mirror Coat and the opposit Pokemon ist down. And even his Sp. Attack is very good. So imo a great kombination.
But i really have to work on Gengar, Electrive and Registeel. Perhaps i change this Poke with other ones

xxspeedy101 January 4th, 2008 4:06 AM

snorlax should have curse. If you go to sleep without it's defense boost than your destroyed and it gives you a nice atk and not to mention that def boost so you can afford the luxary to sleep and loose speed.

Ársa January 4th, 2008 4:26 AM

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Lonlely
252 Atk, 176 Spd, 80 Sp. Atk

Thunderbolt
Cross chop
Ice Punch
Earthquake

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Timid
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Energy Ball / Grass Knot

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Impish
252 HP, 202 Def, 56 Atk

Power Whip
Sleep Powder / Stun Spore
Knock Off
Leech Seed

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Careful
128 HP, 44 At, 120 Def, 216 Sp. Def

Body Slam / Return
Curse
Selfdestruct / Rest
Earthquake / Fire Punch / Crunch

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Relaxed
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Spd

Superpower
Toxic
Thunder / Zap Cannon
Explosion

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Bold
252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Sp. Atk

Calm Mind
Rest
Surf
Roar

~M51

AppleJ January 4th, 2008 7:17 AM

ok thx for your rates. I have changed some Pokemon now. I think they quite good.o.o

sims796 January 4th, 2008 7:37 AM

What is +Ang, -Vert? Just say what the Nature is. We can understand that.

That is a shabby Raichu. Without a point in SPD, he will get KOed by anything & everything before he makes a move. Endure is a crappy move in my opinion, especially on Raichu. Focus Sash is what it needs. Reversal is also pretty pointless on him, especially without Focus Sash. Basically, without ANY points in SPD, he will get KOed before being able to pull off Reversal, as Endure will only last one turn.

If you're not gonna use Focus Pucnch, don't bother with a physical move on Chu. Rather, you should focus on his SP.ATKing features. Thus, this moveset suits him better:

Raichu~Focus Sash
Nature:Timid
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot/Surf
Focus Blast/Thunder Wave/HP ICE
EV:252 SP.ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP

And Iceman says 252 spreads suck. Hah!

Iceman3k January 4th, 2008 9:10 AM

I just learned the irony in my earlier statement when I did a 252 spread on Gengar o.O. I need to rephrase my sentences.
And Apple Jacks has a new team does he?
Quote:

Infernape~ focus sash
Nature:Hasty (+Spd, -Def)
Evs: 92 Atk / 232 Spd / 184 SAtk
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Crass Knot? Lol.

Raichu~ ?
Nature: +Sp.Ang - Sp.Vert
Evs: 252 Sp Attack 152 Sp Attack 105 Attack
Surf
Thunderbolt
Reversal
Endure
Uh, use what sims posted, okay.

Tangrowth~ lefties
nature: +Def -sp.Attack
Evs: 252 HP, 216 Def, 40 Atk
Knock off
Power Whip
leech seed
sleep powder
More Defense to raise the unit by 2 points.

Snorlax ~ lefties
+Sp.Def -Sp.Attack
Evs: 172 HP, 40 At, 120 Def, 176 Sp. Def
rest
Crunch
curse
Body slam
Are you really going to leave yourself vulnerable to Dusknoir and Gengar? Put Crunch on that thing.

Bronzong~ lefties
Levitate
nature: + Vert -Speed
Evs: 252 HP 152 Sp.Def 105 Def
Hypnosis
Gyroball
stealt rock
Toxic/ Rest
Someone else can deal with Bronzong.

Suicune~ lefties
Evs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd
nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
Surf
Ice Beam
Roar
Calm Mind
Although it might not seem like the biggest problem, Electivire hurts your team.

Also, be more clear as to what natures you're using. What is ANG anyway, the amount of angst in a Pokemon?

AppleJ January 4th, 2008 12:51 PM

ohh i just see that i`ve made some Mistaks. Sure Raichu gets 252 evs on speed not sp ang o.o btw: in german "attack" is called "Angriff" and "Defense" is called "Verteidigung" , therefore i wrote ang and vert. i will correct that.

sims796 January 4th, 2008 4:49 PM

I figured that. We respect cultural differences here. However, it is always easier to just state their natures. NOT +SP.ATK -ATK. Just put Modest. That's much easier to understand.

Second, I said Timid. Anything else isn't cutting it. It is too slow to pull that off. I also don't agree with Mixed Chu. It isn't powerful enough to run mix. While I don't like saying this (sounds arrogant) I would highly advise you to use my set, as it is great at abusing Focus Sash to pull off STABbed Nasty Ploted Thunderbolts.

AppleJ January 5th, 2008 12:49 AM

thx for your ratings again but @iceman i don`t understand why infernape should get 252 on spdefense? i thought i use it as an fast pokemon with lots of Attack on the begining.

Samson January 5th, 2008 1:06 AM

uh is someone going to tell this guy about evs? your evs need to be divisible by 4. otherwise, you're wasting them. emphasis on your suicune.

also, there are 2 things illegal with your raichu. it can't have surf and that nature. the only nature it can have is Hardy w/ Surf. next, it can't have Surf + Nasty Plot on the same set. pichu learns nasty plot while only pikachu learns Surf. so for it to have both is not possible without hacking.

Iceman3k January 5th, 2008 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3225623)
thx for your ratings again but @iceman i don`t understand why infernape should get 252 on spdefense? i thought i use it as an fast pokemon with lots of Attack on the begining.

When I say "Spd", it stands for Speed.
If I say "SDef", then it stands for Sp. Defense.

Infernape needs his speed, we both know that.

AppleJ January 5th, 2008 1:15 PM

ok thx iceman for replay and right samson, i didn`t know that surf is not breedable, ok i will change this set.

should i play Raichu so:

Raichu~ Focus Shash
Nature: +Attack -Sp Attack
Evs: 232 speed 122 Sp Attack 154 Attack
Surf
Thunderbolt
Reversal
Endure

or this way?

Raichu~Focus Sash
Nature: +speed -attack
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
EV:252 SP.ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP

the problem with the second moveset is, that when i play Raichu this way i have no good physical sweeper, because Infernape is also very special. Maybe i should change the moveset from nape? o.o
Does anybody have an idea, the rest from the team is imo Ok now

sims796 January 5th, 2008 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3227272)
ok thx iceman for replay and right samson, i didn`t know that surf is not breedable, ok i will change this set.

should i play Raichu so:

Raichu~ Focus Shash
Nature: +Attack -Sp Attack
Evs: 232 speed 122 Sp Attack 154 Attack
Surf
Thunderbolt
Reversal
Endure

or this way?

Raichu~Focus Sash
Nature: +speed -attack
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Focus Blast
EV:252 SP.ATK, 252 SPD, 6 HP

the problem with the second moveset is, that when i play Raichu this way i have no good physical sweeper, because Infernape is also very special. Maybe i should change the moveset from nape? o.o
Does anybody have an idea, the rest from the team is imo Ok now

RAICHU IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, A PHYSICAL SWEEPER. I will not repeat myself anymore. Why would you use both Focus Sash & Endure?

Go with the second set.


And for the last time, TELL THE NATURES. Stop saying +SPD -Attack. Just say Timid.

AppleJ January 5th, 2008 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3227335)
RAICHU IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, A PHYSICAL SWEEPER. I will not repeat myself anymore. Why would you use both Focus Sash & Endure?

Go with the second set.


And for the last time, TELL THE NATURES. Stop saying +SPD -Attack. Just say Timid.

ok ok, it`s bit diffucult for me because i don`t know the english nature names, but i will change that soon. When i play Raichu this way i must change the set from nape or i must change nape to another phyiscal sweeper.

sims796 January 5th, 2008 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3227358)
ok ok, it`s bit diffucult for me because i don`t know the english nature names, but i will change that soon. When i play Raichu this way i must change the set from nape or i must change nape to another phyiscal sweeper.

Sorry, I was a little too rough, for no apparent reason. Go ahead & do it the way you were.

As for Raichu, he has no business being mixed. He hasn't the power. He needs all the speed he can get, therefore, he can't split the remaining points. Since his special capabilities are amazing, go with that.

As for Nape, physical might be the way to go. Or mixed. But not really all special.

Samson January 5th, 2008 2:38 PM

i dunno, i kinda like that reversaler set with nasty plot, but unfortunately, tbolt + surf are an illegal combo. you don't need endure when you already have focus sash, btw =/

also, you can only have Surf Pikachu with Hardy nature. so it wouldn't be Adamant, which is a horrible nature for it anyway ._.

AppleJ January 6th, 2008 4:53 AM

ok i think my team is quite good now. If you even want to rate somethink you can do that.

Iceman3k January 6th, 2008 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AppleJ (Post 3218157)
Infernape~ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Nature:+ Speed - def
Evs: 92 Atk / 232 Spd / 184 SAtk
Flamethrower
Close Combat
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Do you really want Donphan and Swampert to instantly KO you?

Raichu~Focus Sash
Nature: +speed -spdef
EV:182 SP.ATK, 222 SPD, 106 attack
Thunderbolt
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot
Reversal

I know, many people don`t like this set, but i like it.
Reversal sucks on Raichu because
1. It gets no STAB
2. Sandstorm / Hail screws it
3. It only has 90 Base Attack with no full EVs, and Reversal requires full EVs pretty much
Now will you PLEASE use the Sp. Sweeper Raichu?


Tangrowth~ lefties
nature: +Def -sp.Attack
Evs: 252 HP, 216 Def, 40 Atk
leaf guard
Knock off
Power Whip
leech seed
sleep powder
Whatever.

Snorlax ~ lefties
+Sp.Def -Sp.Attack
Evs: 172 HP, 40 At, 120 Def, 176 Sp. Def
Thick Fat
rest
crunch
curse
Body slam
USE THICK FAT ON SNORLAX. NOT IMMUNITY. Seriously, why use Immunity, when you're running Rest?

Bronzong~ lefties
levitate
nature: + def -Speed
Evs: 252 HP 152 Sp.Def 105 Def
Hypnosis
Gyroball / Earthquake
Grass Knot
Reflect / Light Screen / Stealth Rock
I'm too tired to work some EVs on it but Bronzong needs Grass Knot.

Suicune~ lefties
Evs: 240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SDef
nature: Bold
Surf
Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Roar / Rest

Electivire STILL hurts this team. Also, this is the last time I'm rating this. If you decide to keep the horrid choice of moves, then it's entirely up to you.

sims796 January 6th, 2008 9:49 AM

I'm going with Iceman. It's like everything I said goes in one ear & out the other. Raichu cannot be mixed. You need to invest full EV's in is SP.ATK & ATK for that to work, but Raichu needs Max Speed most of all. Therefore, the remaining 252 EV's must go to one stat. SP.ATK is the superior choice.


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