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charizard_maa January 2nd, 2008 6:29 PM

Crazy Idea (That I LIke)
 
Well today I had a crazy idea. Have a team using Shedinja. So after some thinking I came up with this.

Starmie
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EV: 252 Att/252 Spd/4 Sp Def
Surf
Recover
Rapid Spin/Psychic
Thunderbolt

Shedinja w/Lum Berry/Focus Sash
Nature: Jolly/ Adamant
EV: 252 Att/252 Spd
Ability: WOnder Guard
Shadow Claw
Shadow Sneak
X-Scissor
Will O Wisp

LIkes to walk into Outrage and Earthquake...and a lot of other moves that aren't super effective. Lum Berry saves from Toxic, Toxic Spikes and Will O Wisp

Heatran
Nature: Rash
Ability: Flash Fire
EV: 252 sp att/252 spd/4 hp
Lava Plume/Flamethorwer
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse

Likes to be there for Fire Fangs and other fire moves that could harm little SHedinja

Blissey w/Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EV: ?
Ablitity: Natural Cure
Softboiled
Thunderbolt
Aromatherapy
ICe Beam

Likes to be there for Shadow Ball and to take hits.

Claydol
Nature: Bold
Ability: Levitate
EV: ?
Sunny Day
SOlor Beam
Earth Power
Ice Beam

AKA Mr new Sunshine on those Sandstorm days. Also fun to walk into Earthquakes.

Electivire
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Motor Drive
EV: 252 att/252 spd/4 hp
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch

So what you guys think. I really like Shedinja to walk in on things like OUtrage and do some damage or just annoy. Then if something that could do damage then switch to somebody to take the hit. Still I have no idea about natures or EV spread. ANy suggestions?

Anti January 2nd, 2008 6:58 PM

Um, a Sheddy needs proper support. Nothing on your team spins *cough use starmie cough* and sand stream is also its utter enemy.

That bronzong is just no. Use a good walling set, not a sunnybeamer X_x

Iceman3k January 2nd, 2008 7:03 PM

Spikes, Stealth Rock, and ToxiSpikes make Sheddy cry ='(

charizard_maa January 2nd, 2008 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3219226)
Um, a Sheddy needs proper support. Nothing on your team spins *cough use starmie cough* and sand stream is also its utter enemy.

That bronzong is just no. Use a good walling set, not a sunnybeamer X_x

Yeah. I thought something like that. WHat I am going to need then is a person that can set up Sunny Day then to clear the skies then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3219253)
Spikes, Stealth Rock, and ToxiSpikes make Sheddy cry ='(

Well I know that Toxic SPikes and Stealth Rock is a problem. I was told that Stealth Rock and Spikes wouldn't be a problem because of WOnder Guard. Still I am not sure. As in Toxic SPike I have a LUm Berry as temportory protection. Still I understand that if I was told wrong then I will need a Rapid Spinner.

I am open to suggestions. This is just something I came up today.

Anti January 2nd, 2008 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charizard_maa (Post 3219276)
Yeah. I thought something like that. WHat I am going to need then is a person that can set up Sunny Day then to clear the skies then.



Well I know that Toxic SPikes and Stealth Rock is a problem. I was told that Stealth Rock and Spikes wouldn't be a problem because of WOnder Guard. Still I am not sure. As in Toxic SPike I have a LUm Berry as temportory protection. Still I understand that if I was told wrong then I will need a Rapid Spinner.

I am open to suggestions. This is just something I came up today.

One layer of spieks will OHKO Sheddy switching in. Wonder Guard only applies to attack moves, all status moves destroy it.

charizard_maa January 2nd, 2008 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3219286)
One layer of spieks will OHKO Sheddy switching in. Wonder Guard only applies to attack moves, all status moves destroy it.

Ok then I guess I will need a rapid spinner. ANy you would suggest? Or should I just stick it on Starmie?

Anti January 2nd, 2008 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charizard_maa (Post 3219302)
Ok then I guess I will need a rapid spinner. ANy you would suggest? Or should I just stick it on Starmie?

Starmie, it's a good spinner as it is.

charizard_maa January 2nd, 2008 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3219320)
Starmie, it's a good spinner as it is.

Ok. I guess I can get rid of one of the moves.

Still mind giving me some natures and spread. I have no idea on that stuff since I never work with any of these pokemon before. The only one I can think of is for Electivire.

sims796 January 2nd, 2008 8:00 PM

Don't forget Weather, like Sandstorm.

Sunnybeaming is quite possibly the WORST thing you could do with Bronzong, especially with Levitate. It's already weak to fire-why not double it with Sunlight?

charizard_maa January 2nd, 2008 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3219406)
Don't forget Weather, like Sandstorm.

Sunnybeaming is quite possibly the WORST thing you could do with Bronzong, especially with Levitate. It's already weak to fire-why not double it with Sunlight?

Yeah. I guessing now that I think about it. SUnnyBeamer on Bronzong isn't the best idea. Still I have no idea of who else could change the weather incase it gets nasty. I have never seen any excellent SUnnyBeamers before or anything to get rid of SandStream.

sims796 January 2nd, 2008 8:17 PM

This is me personally, but I like Tysplosion as a sunnybeamer. But thats me.

Samson January 2nd, 2008 11:07 PM

ooh ooh! i thought a shendinja that would involve shedinja w/focus sash using sunny day to prevent sandstorm/hail from causing damage, and sending in heatran to take damage for shedina and benefit from sunny day boost.

im sure someone else thought of it, but i just haven't put it into action yet =/

charizard_maa January 3rd, 2008 8:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3219451)
This is me personally, but I like Tysplosion as a sunnybeamer. But thats me.

The thing is I can't switch to Typlosion incase somebody gets smart and decied to use Earthquake because they can predict that I will use Heatran to take the (insert fire move here).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3219717)
ooh ooh! i thought a shendinja that would involve shedinja w/focus sash using sunny day to prevent sandstorm/hail from causing damage, and sending in heatran to take damage for shedina and benefit from sunny day boost.

im sure someone else thought of it, but i just haven't put it into action yet =/

I didn't even think of Focus Sash on Shednija. That could work I think. Still that would leave it open to moves like Will O Wisp. Still would it work on SPikes and other entry hazard moves?

How about a Claydol to replace Bronzong? That way it can set up SunnyDay and not get killed for it.

Also I edited my first post with some idea for an EV spread.

Eos Aduro January 3rd, 2008 12:37 PM

Actually, Bronzong works, as a Rain Dancer, it halves fire damage, removing his only weak, and Shedinja inst afraid of water attacks, not super effective.

shedinjask January 3rd, 2008 4:21 PM

Yeah Sheddy team!

I run Sheddy on my Sunny Day team. Tangrowth works excellently as a Sunny Day Pokemon, especially with Heatran. You will probably need a better spinner than Starmie, it isn't that bulky. I suggest Claydol or Forretress. You also might need another Sunny Day Pokemon.

Eos Aduro January 3rd, 2008 6:10 PM

I still think Shedinja works better on a Rain Dance team, Sunny Day increases fire attacks power, making fire users more powerfull, and they will use fire attacks more often, BUT, rain dsance, water isnt super effective on Shedinja, meaning free reign to switch in on water attacks, haha, take that Gyarados.

Aaron Sardiia January 3rd, 2008 6:14 PM

I rule. just new to this so im testing it out

Eos Aduro January 3rd, 2008 6:17 PM

Please dont Spam (Stupid Pointless Annoying Messages). Try to stay on topic.

Also, Cross Chop on Electivire, it hurts a LOT of pokes.

charizard_maa January 3rd, 2008 10:01 PM

Still wouldn't Rain Dance weaken the power of my Heatran? I mean he is there to be switch in when a fire attack is coming SHeddy's way so wouldn't Rain Dance weaken his fire base attack or do you think the Flash Fire's boost would cover that?

I guess I can switch Fire Punch with Cross Chop. Still I would like to catch those pesky Skarmories. Also thinking about having Claydol as a back up Rapid Spinner.

Eos Aduro January 3rd, 2008 10:08 PM

Well with HEatran that would happen, but if you used another special sweeper to take fire hits well, Kingdra can do famously with Swift Swim, and only being weak to dragon, fire sucks against him, very very much. He can take any hit well usually.

Smarties-chan January 4th, 2008 12:40 AM

Midnight Winged, spamming is bad, but so is mini-modding. Don't do it. And Aaron Sardiia, enjoy your warning for pointless spam.

whitey--01 January 4th, 2008 7:42 AM

I know im new on the forum, but if your using a shedinja team, why not have a umbreon?

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Mean Look
Toxic
Baton Pass
Moonlight / Payback

You can meanlook someone who is very unlikely to have a super attack vs shedinja, then toxic and baton pass, or just pass to shedinja, and they cant do anything to him, so toxic and shedinja just eat away until they go down.

sims796 January 4th, 2008 7:58 AM

That's difficult to do. Every team will have a few pokes that have Super effective hits on Shedinja. Many pokes have at least one of his weaknesses as a move. Those who don't might have some sort of indirect means of passive damage. Or might just be immune to Toxic. Though it is a very good idea on paper, it might be hard to put into practice.

Eos Aduro January 4th, 2008 11:20 AM

Also, (I missed this before), you never really NEED a back-up rapid spinner, Starmie can handle it. Rain Dance just seems to make more sense to me, but I suppose Sunny Day works. So you can go Claydol+Heatran, or as I suggested, Bronzong+Kingdra.

charizard_maa January 6th, 2008 3:10 PM

Yeah. I do relize that. I think this team will use a lot of prediction as in what my opponet will do but I think it could do ok. Still never know until I try.

I think I go with the Sunnybeamer idea since a lot of sandstorm users are weak agianst Solorbeam but it also goes the other way I guess too. Also I perfer Sunnybeamer over Raindancer. If not I can always just rework it. Thanks.


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