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Blissey - Physical wall?
Blissey's maximum defense stat is 130. Shuckle's HP is nearly double that, and it's NEVER used simply because of it's terrible HP stat.
One time, I took out a Blissey in one hit with Cross Chop. I'm assuming it was Bold nature and had 252 Def since competitive players are the ones who usually run Blissey. Quite honestly, I don't think Blissey was meant to withstand physical attacks, and attempts to cover up that weakness is worthless. |
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Blissey needs no sp.def as it already has that sky high hp. We know it isnt meant to withstand physical hits hence the name special wall but what happens if its your last pokemon and your up against a Garchomp. Now with max hp and def you can survive an EQ and Ice Beam it, without max def you die. Shuckle on the other hand has more weaknesses than bliss, piss poor hp which makes his high defenses moot. |
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Just to answer that question:
CBTar Max Def Blissey is a must, no way to avoid it, it has to be done. Most pokemon try to model there attacks on max def Blissey, and without max Def Blissey is just as worthless as a physical walling Rampardos. Though Bold isn't necessary, because Calm Blissey's are indefinately always better. And the guys who said Blissey doesn't need Calm or SpDef EVs, I'm going over the intrawebz to slap you right now. |
At least Tar can fight back. What is Shuckle gonnado? Wiggle? "He's gonna wiggle me to death? Shuckle sucks.
Despite the [controversial] views on Blissey, we can all agree that she Needs the points in defence. There is no avoiding that. |
Agreed; After doing a tid bit of research, a Bold Blissey takes 40 less damage from a Cross Chop from E-vire than one with Calm nature. At first I thought a tiny 11 defense difference wouldn't mean so much... guess I was proven wrong by my own research.
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Well Blissey is useless all right my Staraptor could use Close Combat and OKO it i wouldn't even bother getting a Blissey.
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Min = 496.96 Max = 583.99 Avg = 540.48 714 - 584 = 130 HP ~M51 |
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Hell, she can take down Mewtwo, and that's not even in her tier. |
I use Blissey and Shuckle and I would call them both as one of my best Pokes.
Blissey is absolutely cool and almost invincible as long as you don't have fight/ghost types as your opponent. Everyone who calls it useless is wrong oO And I can't understand why so many people complain about Shuckle. Ok, it has low HP stats but if you play with a good moveset and use it in the right way, it'll be an uuber! (Ok that was too much, I guess XD) You can own almost every Pokemon with it, that's why I think it's so powerful^^ (Hey, isn't it a Bliss thread? So why did I talk the most things about Shuckle? XD) |
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Maybe a really crap Blissey with 0 Iv's in Def. If blissey is crap then why do people use it? |
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'Seriously, no-one calls blissey useless. If anything its argued She's the best wall in the game.'
Gofre Don't you mean she? |
oops yep sorry, typo :)
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Anyway, my Shuckle knows Toxic, Rest, Protect and Stealth Rock and i swear you can beat almost every Poke with this. (Except of course Steel Pokes and Water types are bad opponents, too for it.) |
Yeah, my friend's Shuckle in a sandstorm team runs Wrap, Toxic, Protect, and used-to-be Double Team before joining here (me and him always battled for fun, and I hated it so much!) I think he's changing that last move to Stealth Rock or something.
One serious weakness though... Shuckle is insta-prey to Metagross's Meteor Mash when holding a Life Orb, and its attack IVs are horrid! (like... 5. lol gotta rebreed that thing.) However, against special sweepers like Starmie, it takes so long to wear it down with Surf. I will admit one thing; without Double Team, Shuckle isn't the best pokemon out there for tanking. However, with Knock Off as secondary support, it can prove useful. (A side question; does Knock Off permanently render the pokemon's item useless? |
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We have undisputed fact as to why it is so horrible. You just proved us right. |
This is not a Shuckle thread.
Shuckle @ Ganlon Berry Ability: Gluttony Nature: Relaxed EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 SDef Moveset: - Power Trick - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Gyro Ball This set works excellent in battles after Trick Room and Sandstorm are in effect. Sandstorm prevents Focus Sash from working, and Shuckle can Power Swap and proceed to kill off the entire opposing team. |
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As for the set...not so much. The turn you use Power Swap, you will get hit right there & then. As Syoran said, it hasn't the time. The reason everyone is speaking about Shuckle is because you started the comparison in the first post. I don't know where the sets came from. |
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Therefore losing Power Swap, when you switch for that other poke to use Trick Room. You now have to switch back to Shuckle, reuse Power Swap, & get KOed the first turn you use it by Earthquake.
This is all showing why Blissey is better than Shuckle. Shuckle needs to hope & pray it can do something good. While Blissey can enjoy her throne. |
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