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Eon.Fiend January 5th, 2008 11:08 AM

New To Competetive Play - Please Help
 
Hi, I'm new to the forum and also the whole competitive battling community. (*typo in title, I know)
I've put together what I thought would be a good team but I'm not sure which to send out first or if it's even good enough for competetive play. I'm also uncertain of items.
Please suggest any changes you would feel necessary; to anything, including the pokemon themselves - and be as critical as you want, I won't get offended. So here it is:

Lucario @ ?????? I need a non-choice item if swords dance is on don't I?
Extreme Speed
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Stone Edge

Jolly (+Spd -SpAtk)
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd


Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Pain Split
Earthquake
Will-o-wisp
Fire Punch

Impish (+Def -SpAtk)
252 HP / 100 ATK / 104 Def / 52 SpDef


Gengar @ Choice Specs
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt

Timid (+Spd -Atk)
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd


Umbreon @ Leftovers
Wish
Mean Look
Baton Pass
Taunt

Careful (+SpDef -Atk)
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpDef


Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Tri-attack
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Nasty Plot

Timid (+Spd - Atk)
4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd


Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Baton Pass
Surf
Substitute
Wish

Bold (+Def -Atk)
252 HP / ?

I tried to steer clear of ubers and ones I've heard are the OU of the OU like Blissy, Milotic, Metagross, Swampert, big dragons etc. to make it a bit more interesting, but I understand that I might have to accept that some of them might need to replace a few team members.
Thanks for any suggestions and comments.

Shiraishi January 5th, 2008 11:26 AM

Milotic is not OU anymore :x Agh, you butched Vaporeon.

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Nature:Bold
EVs:188 HP/252 Def/68 Sp. atk OR Sp. def
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Wish
-Baton pass

Best-Infernape-counter-EVER.

[email protected] Sash
TImid
EVs:252 Spd/252 Sp. atk
-Shadow ball
-T-bolt
-Hypnosis
-Focus blast

Add EVs please. Someone else do the rest >.>

PhoenixFlare January 5th, 2008 2:08 PM

[email protected] choice specs
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
Timid
-Trick
-Psychic
-Shadow ball
-Energy ball

Blissey hates this moveset. =P

Dark Azelf January 5th, 2008 2:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3227059)
Milotic is not OU anymore :x Agh, you butched Vaporeon.

[email protected]
Nature:Bold
EVs:188 HP/252 Def/68 Sp. atk OR Sp. def
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Wish
-Baton pass

Best-Infernape-counter-EVER.

[email protected] Sash
TImid
EVs:252 Spd/252 Sp. atk
-Shadow ball
-T-bolt
-Hypnosis
-Focus blast

Add EVs please. Someone else do the rest >.>

Protect >> Baton Pass on Wish Pass Vappy unless your passing subs aswell. The wish still activates and doesnt need passing.

You can go with this if you want.

Baton Pass Vappy is great and passes 101 hp subs good to pass these to sweepers to set up behind.

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Bold Nature
188 HP / 252 DEF / 70 SP.DEF
- Surf
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Wish

Eon.Fiend January 6th, 2008 6:50 AM

Thanks, I'll change the Vaporeon for definite (sorry I butchered it xP) and I like Dark Azelf's suggestion of passing the sub to allow a sweeper to set up.

So how about I switch Alakazam for a Porygon-Z with nasty plot and/or agility to take better advantage of the Vaporeon?

Then Gengar's moveset might have to shuffle to make room for energy ball: Shadow ball, sludge bomb, energy ball, thunder bolt?

The trick moveset for Alakazam also looks interesting, but I think I'd need a bit of practice to use it effectively (I had to look trick up to see what it did - told you i was a noob :P - but I can see how it could be used).
Question: if something gets KO'd or you switch, then you use trick with a choice item, will the last move of the opponent be locked, or the next one it uses?

shedinjask January 6th, 2008 6:55 AM

The first move it uses after aquiring Specs will be the one it's locked into, always.

Porygon-Z is a good replacement for Zam, who is generally reserved for more experienced players as it's hard to pull off. Post EVs too.

Eon.Fiend January 6th, 2008 10:25 AM

*Updated:
EVs now added
Alakazam switched for Porygon-Z
Gengar's Moveset Changed

Thanks for all the help - but I now I realise I have no grass or electric attack, so the team seems venerable to the likes of Swampert and bulky waters. I could change Gengar's moveset again. Maybe sludge bomb for energy ball?

*Eyes well up at possibility of losing sludge bomb*

Oh, and more questions: (keep in mind I am very new and noobish) With choice items locking you into one move, does this last for as long as that pokemon stays out, or does it 'refresh' after each kill, erm, I mean KO?
In competetive battling do you still get the option 'So-and-So is about to send out Blah, will you switch?' And would 'Blah' be the thing's nickname if it has one, because that would seem very pointless if it was?

PhoenixFlare January 6th, 2008 10:31 AM

Shadow Sneak > Earthquake on Dusknoir so he can revenge kill.

Shiraishi January 6th, 2008 10:37 AM

Thunderbolt is better than Energy ball ._.

Anti January 6th, 2008 11:20 AM

This team gets ripped apart by Gengar, put in something to help out Dusknoir. you seem to have a lot of mixed walls, but those can't switch into Specsmence Draco Meteor and CBtar's Stone Edge like pure special or physical walls can. I suggest uyou replace Umbreon and help out Noir in dealing with Gar and all special sweepers that can shadow ball or dark pulse basically...

shedinjask January 6th, 2008 11:24 AM

You don't get the option to switch after a kill, and Choice items lock you into a move until you switch.

Replace Sludge Bomb with Energy Ball or HP Ice.

Spice Curry January 6th, 2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

With choice items locking you into one move, does this last for as long as that pokemon stays out, or does it 'refresh' after each kill, erm, I mean KO?
You can only switch moves when you switch out your Pokemon. Unfortunately, its not refreshed after each KO =[

Quote:

In competetive battling do you still get the option 'So-and-So is about to send out Blah, will you switch?' No; you have to use up a turn to switch it out.And would 'Blah' be the thing's nickname if it has one, because that would seem very pointless if it was?
Didn't really get what you were trying to ask there at the end...

Eos Aduro January 6th, 2008 12:04 PM

A noob who accept critism?!?!?!?! I like you already. Also Porygon-Z, make sure he has Adaptability, Tri Attack and Adpatability together wreak havoc on so many teams. And you seem to be lacking items too. Lucario usually has a Choice Scarf, Dusknoir usually has lefotvers, Gengar usually has a Life Orb, Focus Sash, Chocie Specs, or Choice Scarf, Umbreon has Leftovers, Porygon-Z, give it Choice Specs, it can OHKO most pokes with Tri Attack, Adaptability, and Choice Specs, and Vaporeon egst Leftovers.

Eon.Fiend January 6th, 2008 12:21 PM

Thanks, items added.
I'll make some other changes too

Thanks, again.


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