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Waker of Chaos January 7th, 2008 3:54 AM

Weakness Bane - Tears of the Rainbow
 
I looked through all OU and BL Pokémon that had only one weakness, then looked through those to see who had the most resistances. Thus, this team was born.

No two Pokémon share one weakness. All Pokémon have one (or no) weakness, unless there's a special effect like Gravity in effect. I also made certain to have a special wall, a special sweeper, a physical sweeper, and a physical wall.

I can use Forretress instead of Scizor, Swampert instead of Drapion, Bronzong instead of Weezing (only if I'm using Swampert), and Raikou instead of Kingdra (only if I'm using Bronzong). If I do use Bronzong, I'll use Heat Proof on it.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani212.gif @ Choice Scarf; Technician
Adamant; 28 HP, 252 Attack, 228 Speed
U-Turn
Iron Head
Pursuit
Aerial Ace

This is my Heracross counter. Thanks to Technician, Aerial Ace is enough to put Heracross at about 40 HP. All I have to do then is hit it again with whatever I want. This assumes max HP and max Defense on Heracross.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani452.gif @ Scope Lens; Sniper
Jolly; 252 Attack, 188 Speed, 70 HP
Night Slash
Brick Break
Knock Off
Swords Dance

Ah, the dreaded Scope Lens, Sniper, and Night Slash combination. Add Swords Dance, and you had better have a Heracross with Earthquake. Even if you do, I'll just Knock Off your pathetic little Choice Band, then Brick Break you. Screw your Reflect.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani110.gif @ Leftovers; Levitate
Bold; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Speed
Sludge Bomb
Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest

I had nothing else to absorb status ailments, so Weezing serves as a Rest-Talker. The EVs are the same as the physical wall set, and I still have Will-O-Wisp, so it should be fine.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani230.gif @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
Modest; 240 HP, 252 Special Attack, 16 Speed
Surf
Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power (Electric)
Rain Dance

Rain Dance is partially for Kingdra and partially for Scizor, since it weakens Fire. This is my counter against Dragons and Gyarados, but I'll have to watch out for Electivire.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani442.gif @ Leftovers; Pressure
Careful; 252 HP, 144 Attack, 112 Special Defense
Pursuit
Taunt
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

This is my other possible lead. I chose Taunt over Sucker Punch because I'm otherwise set-up weak.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani242.gif @ Leftovers; Serene Grace
Bold; 252 Defense, 6 Speed, 252 HP
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam

Your obligatory self-explaining blob of pink special ownage.

I'm not of the opinion that I really need a Rapid Spinner here, since I have nothing weak to Stealth Rock.

Over all, Heracross and Electivire I have to be careful about, but pretty much anything else I can handle, right?

Fix #1: Scizor was changed entirely.
Fix #1: Blissey gets Ice Beam instead of Thunder Wave, and uses Serene Grace instead of Natural Cure.

Iceman3k January 7th, 2008 4:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3231789)
I looked through all OU and BL Pokémon that had only one weakness, then looked through those to see who had the most resistances. Thus, this team was born.

No two Pokémon share one weakness. All Pokémon have one (or no) weakness, unless there's a special effect like Gravity in effect. I also made certain to have a special wall, a special sweeper, a physical sweeper, and a physical wall.

I can use Forretress instead of Scizor, Swampert instead of Drapion, Bronzong instead of Weezing (only if I'm using Swampert), and Raikou instead of Kingdra (only if I'm using Bronzong). If I do use Bronzong, I'll use Heat Proof on it.
No, you WON'T use Heat Proof on Bronzong. You will switch to Kingdra, OKAY?

And if you post images instead of names, then I won't rate your team because it's too much time for me to edit them out, especially when I have to open a new window just to see what everything is. Just for future reference.

Scizor @ Leftovers; Swarm
Impish; 184 HP, 176 Defense, 148 Speed
X-Scissor
Roost
Agility
Baton Pass

This is one possible leader, so I can get an Agilipass in early to Kingdra or Drapion. Besides that, it's pretty self-explaining.
Scizor can't tank to save its life. Be a man and make him offensive.
Also, why would you speed pass to Kingdra when it has Swift Swim?

Drapion @ Scope Lens; Sniper
Jolly; 252 Attack, 188 Speed, 70 HP
Night Slash
Brick Break
Earthquake
Swords Dance

Ah, the dreaded Scope Lens, Sniper, and Night Slash combination. Add Swords Dance, and you had better have a Heracross with Earthquake. Even if you do, I'll just Knock Off your pathetic little Choice Band, then Brick Break you. Screw your Reflect.
You're going to use Brick Break on a Heracross. Nice.
Knowing that Heracross has Close Combat powerful enough to knock Drapion into hell, good luck trying.


Weezing @ Leftovers; Levitate
Bold; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Speed
Sludge Bomb
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Thunderbolt

I had nothing else to absorb status ailments, so Weezing serves as a Rest-Talker. The EVs are the same as the physical wall set, and I still have Will-O-Wisp, so it should be fine. This also cripples Heracross, making it easy pickings for my Drapion and Kingdra.
Uh, Willy Wisp ASSISTS Enemy Heracross by activating GUTS.

Kingdra @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
Modest; 240 HP, 252 Special Attack, 16 Speed
Surf
Dragon Pulse / Ice Beam
Hidden Power (Electric) / Ice Beam
Rain Dance

Rain Dance is partially for Kingdra and partially for Scizor, since it weakens Fire. This is my counter against Dragons and Gyarados, but I'll have to watch out for Electivire.
Either use Ice Beam or don't expect to instantly KO any Dragon Sweepers that WILL get in the way.

Spiritomb @ Leftovers; Pressure
Careful; 252 HP, 144 Attack, 112 Special Defense
Pursuit
Taunt
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

This is my other possible lead. I chose Taunt over Sucker Punch because I'm otherwise set-up weak.
Don't know too much about Spritomb. Moving on.

Blissey @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
Bold; 252 Defense, 44 SDef, 212 HP
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Thunder Wave

Your obligatory self-explaining blob of pink special ownage.
Meh.

I'm not of the opinion that I really need a Rapid Spinner here, since I have nothing weak to Stealth Rock, and a few who are resistant.
Uh, absolutely nothing in your team is resistant to Stealth Rock lol

Over all, Heracross and Electivire I have to be careful about, but pretty much anything else I can handle, right?

Not exactly.

Physical Infernape threatens you, CS Chompers threatens you, and Medicham sends this team straight to hell.

Waker of Chaos January 7th, 2008 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3231815)
No, you WON'T use Heat Proof on Bronzong. You will switch to Kingdra, OKAY?

Heat Proof assumes that Kingdra's already been KO'd. Otherwise, this is considered too obvious to mention.

And if you post images instead of names, then I won't rate your team because it's too much time for me to edit them out, especially when I have to open a new window just to see what everything is. Just for future reference.

Most people can recognize a Pokémon on sight, and it just looks prettier. But okay, point taken.

Scizor can't tank to save its life. Be a man and make him offensive.
Also, why would you speed pass to Kingdra when it has Swift Swim?

I can do that. I'd pass Agility to Kingdra for additional speed on top of Swift Swim, so it can beat other Swift Swimmers. I was also considering Sniper Kingdra, who would need the extra speed.

You're going to use Brick Break on a Heracross. Nice.
Knowing that Heracross has Close Combat powerful enough to knock Drapion into hell, good luck trying.

You need to be more polite if you expect me to listen to you. Also, Knock Off is there for a reason. Why replace it with Earthquake?

Uh, Willy Wisp ASSISTS Enemy Heracross by activating GUTS.

Oh, forgot about that. Fine, I'll just Sucker Punch him to death. But again, don't take that tone with me. I would use Pain Split and Thunderbolt, but if my opponent switches to a weak Pokémon, Weezing just hurt itself and helped the opponent. I also won't use Rest without Sleep Talk, because I can't afford the 2-turn wait for Weezing to do something.

Either use Ice Beam or don't expect to instantly KO any Dragon Sweepers that WILL get in the way.

Are you EVER nice to people? I have Dragon Pulse. Geez.

Don't know too much about Spritomb. Moving on.

Meh.

Uh, absolutely nothing in your team is resistant to Stealth Rock lol

Don't ever laugh at me.

Not exactly.

Physical Infernape threatens you, CS Chompers threatens you, and Medicham sends this team straight to hell.

Meh, meh, and more meh. If you expect me to listen, be a bit nicer. Until then, I'm not going to bother.

Ársa January 7th, 2008 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3231789)
I looked through all OU and BL Pokémon that had only one weakness, then looked through those to see who had the most resistances. Thus, this team was born.

No two Pokémon share one weakness. All Pokémon have one (or no) weakness, unless there's a special effect like Gravity in effect. I also made certain to have a special wall, a special sweeper, a physical sweeper, and a physical wall.

I can use Forretress instead of Scizor, Swampert instead of Drapion, Bronzong instead of Weezing (only if I'm using Swampert), and Raikou instead of Kingdra (only if I'm using Bronzong). If I do use Bronzong, I'll use Heat Proof on it.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani212.gif @ Leftovers; Swarm
Impish; 184 HP, 176 Defense, 148 Speed
X-Scissor
Roost
Agility
Baton Pass

This is one possible leader, so I can get an Agilipass in early to Kingdra or Drapion. Besides that, it's pretty self-explaining.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani452.gif @ Scope Lens; Sniper
Jolly; 252 Attack, 188 Speed, 70 HP
Night Slash / Brick Break / Whirlwind
Brick Break / Night Slash / Whirlwind

Knock Off
Swords Dance

Ah, the dreaded Scope Lens, Sniper, and Night Slash combination. Add Swords Dance, and you had better have a Heracross with Earthquake. Even if you do, I'll just Knock Off your pathetic little Choice Band, then Brick Break you. Screw your Reflect.

Mostly, you will find that people frown upon Scope Lens use, as it is a "Hax" item. Whirlwind over Night Slash / Brick Break.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani110.gif @ Leftovers; Levitate
Bold; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Speed
Sludge Bomb
Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest

I had nothing else to absorb status ailments, so Weezing serves as a Rest-Talker. The EVs are the same as the physical wall set, and I still have Will-O-Wisp, so it should be fine. This also cripples Heracross, making it easy pickings for my Drapion and Kingdra.

o.0 Cripples Heracross? How Exactly? Bore it to death?

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani230.gif @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
Modest; 240 HP, 252 Special Attack, 16 Speed
Surf
Dragon Pulse
Hidden Power (Electric)
Rain Dance

Rain Dance is partially for Kingdra and partially for Scizor, since it weakens Fire. This is my counter against Dragons and Gyarados, but I'll have to watch out for Electivire.

Why are you agillipassing to Kingdra, yet still running swift swim?

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani442.gif @ Leftovers; Pressure
Careful; 252 HP, 144 Attack, 112 Special Defense
Pursuit
Taunt
Pain Split
Hypnosis

This is my other possible lead. I chose Taunt over Sucker Punch because I'm otherwise set-up weak.

Lovely combination. Put them to sleep, then hit them with pursuit on the almost certain switch.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani242.gif @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
Bold; 252 Defense, 6 Sp. Atk, 252 HP
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam

Your obligatory self-explaining blob of pink special ownage.

Apart from not being walled by Ghosts, of which are common, giving Blissey Ice Beam is also going to help at lease 2HKO Garchomp. Serence Grace pumps freeze chance to 30%, nice no?

I'm not of the opinion that I really need a Rapid Spinner here, since I have nothing weak to Stealth Rock.

Over all, Heracross and Electivire I have to be careful about, but pretty much anything else I can handle, right?

Please note that by no ends does weakness effect the battles. It helps, but too many times I have seen this tried, without proper thought of the pokemon used. I know of people who have won many battles with 5 Ice types and a Wall like Blissey etc.

~M51

Waker of Chaos January 7th, 2008 5:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullac51 (Post 3231838)
Mostly, you will find that people frown upon Scope Lens use, as it is a "Hax" item. Whirlwind over Night Slash / Brick Break.

That's fine by me, because I couldn't care less if they used them. If something is there, then use it. It would be a waste not to. If they don't like me using a Scope Lens, then they can use Knock Off.

o.0 Cripples Heracross? How Exactly? Bore it to death?

Again, I forgot about Guts. Leave me alone about it.

Why are you agillipassing to Kingdra, yet still running swift swim?

The idea was mainly for a Sniper Kingdra, who would need the extra speed. However, it could also be used to outspeed enemy Swift Swimmers. As it stands, I changed Scizor, so you need to look again.

Lovely combination. Put them to sleep, then hit them with pursuit on the almost certain switch.

Yes, but Hypnosis has unreliable accuracy, which worries me.

Apart from not being walled by Ghosts, of which are common, giving Blissey Ice Beam is also going to help at lease 2HKO Garchomp. Serence Grace pumps freeze chance to 30%, nice no?

This I can do, but it's 20% with Serene Grace.

Please note that by no ends does weakness effect the battles. It helps, but too many times I have seen this tried, without proper thought of the pokemon used. I know of people who have won many battles with 5 Ice types and a Wall like Blissey etc.

~M51

As do I. However, I can't function by strategy, only by theme.

Anyway, I was editing when you posted that, so please look at Scizor again.

Anti January 7th, 2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3231789)
I looked through all OU and BL Pokémon that had only one weakness, then looked through those to see who had the most resistances. Thus, this team was born.

Okay...but the resistance thing isn't true...you hardly resist anything.

No two Pokémon share one weakness. All Pokémon have one (or no) weakness, unless there's a special effect like Gravity in effect. I also made certain to have a special wall, a special sweeper, a physical sweeper, and a physical wall.

Okay, but you'll have to be willing to take the theme apart if you want this to win, depends on the team.

I can use Forretress instead of Scizor, Swampert instead of Drapion, Bronzong instead of Weezing (only if I'm using Swampert), and Raikou instead of Kingdra (only if I'm using Bronzong). If I do use Bronzong, I'll use Heat Proof on it.

Heat Proof = Win Proof.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani212.gif @ Choice Scarf; Technician
Adamant; 28 HP, 252 Attack, 228 Speed
U-Turn
Iron Head
Pursuit
Aerial Ace

This is my Heracross counter. Thanks to Technician, Aerial Ace is enough to put Heracross at about 40 HP. All I have to do then is hit it again with whatever I want. This assumes max HP and max Defense on Heracross.

Nobody runs max Def or HP on heracross...seems a little slow to Scarf, maybe give it more speed.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani452.gif @ Leftovers; Sniper
Jolly; 252 Attack, 188 Speed, 70 HP
Night Slash
Brick Break
Knock Off
Swords Dance

Ah, the dreaded Scope Lens, Sniper, and Night Slash combination. Add Swords Dance, and you had better have a Heracross with Earthquake. Even if you do, I'll just Knock Off your pathetic little Choice Band, then Brick Break you. Screw your Reflect.

Nobody is going to battle you with hax items, that's just the way it is. Also, Nobody is going to keep an outmatched choice bander in against Drapion. I know of CBers that can really threaten this though (especially with no lefties recovery) and you won't have a chance to knock off an item.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani110.gif @ Leftovers; Levitate
Bold; 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Speed
Sludge Bomb
Will-O-Wisp
Sleep Talk
Rest

I had nothing else to absorb status ailments, so Weezing serves as a Rest-Talker. The EVs are the same as the physical wall set, and I still have Will-O-Wisp, so it should be fine. This also cripples Heracross, making it easy pickings for my Drapion and Kingdra.

How in the world does this cripple heracross?

Resttalking WoW is not fun, replace with flamethrower to actually hit Hera for some kind of damage, or stone edge will beat up on you.


http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani230.gif @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
Modest; 240 HP, 252 Special Attack, 16 Speed
Surf
Ice Beam
Hidden Power (Electric)
Rain Dance

Rain Dance is partially for Kingdra and partially for Scizor, since it weakens Fire. This is my counter against Dragons and Gyarados, but I'll have to watch out for Electivire.

This thing doesn't counter any dragons. It beats Gyara, but CBmence will OHKO Kingdra with Dragon Claw and a SpecsMence Draco Meteor will hurt just as bad. You can't switch into dragons with this thing, period.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani442.gif @ Leftovers; Pressure
Careful; 252 HP, 144 Attack, 112 Special Defense
Pursuit
Taunt
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

This is my other possible lead. I chose Taunt over Sucker Punch because I'm otherwise set-up weak.

Another wall that really has no good way to attack. WoW again? A little overkill ._.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani242.gif @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
Bold; 252 Defense, 6 Speed, 252 HP
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam

Your obligatory self-explaining blob of pink special ownage.

I'm not of the opinion that I really need a Rapid Spinner here, since I have nothing weak to Stealth Rock.

Like Iceman3k said, ntohing resists SR and it will wear down on your team quickly. Spikes is just as nasty, probably worse.

Over all, Heracross and Electivire I have to be careful about, but pretty much anything else I can handle, right?

Nah...Any physical attacker that beats weezing > This Team. Medicham, Gallade...they all will cause a lot of problems.

Nothing on your team can really sweep. Scizor is meh, Kingdra relies on set-up which is tough to do sometimes, and Drapion isn't the best sweeper in the world. What's worse is that your walls just stall, they can't do anything in return. TyraniBoah really isn't stopped on this team and will mow through a lot of your team. Anything with a choice scarf will also hurt, especially if one of those walls are out of the way. Weezing can't take CB attacks like other physical walls, stuff like Choice Band Mence will have an easy time wiping you out.


Fix #1: Scizor was changed entirely.
Fix #1: Blissey gets Ice Beam instead of Thunder Wave, and uses Serene Grace instead of Natural Cure.

Use Natural Cure or you'll have to heal bell every other turn.

Everything above in bold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3231833)
Meh, meh, and more meh. If you expect me to listen, be a bit nicer. Until then, I'm not going to bother.

As a friend, I can tell you that asking that of somebody in a place nicknamed "Flameland" might not be a good idea. Iceman's rate was very informative, I suggest you listen.

But as for Weaks, Mixed Infernape will infeRAPE your team. All of your walls are pretty much destroyed by it.

Your walls can't really fight back against things, Spiritomb can only launch a weak pursuit. What's that going to do?

Your team is destroyed by Heracross, and with 2 WoW users, you're very vulnerable to giving it a guts boost and then it will plow through everything, including Weezing.

Speaking of Weezing, that thing can't fight back either. Flamethrower is nice to actually hurt heracross and to beat steels that are immune to sludge bomb.

Really, either the theme is hurting this team or you need to pick some new pokemon, because you don't possess any really powerful sweeping that threatens the opposition, and you will be outstalled and dealt with.

BTW, none of those pokemon have any useful resistances at all, except for EQ immunity on Weezing's part.

EDIT: If this team isn't made to function by strategy like you said, you aren't going to win any games...the entire point of making a team is to use skill and strategy to win battles, not just to make it for fun (as far as serious rates are concerned)

Waker of Chaos January 7th, 2008 1:45 PM

*sigh*

I'm sick of my teams failing. I'm just going to let this die.

Anti January 7th, 2008 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waker of Chaos (Post 3232762)
*sigh*

I'm sick of my teams failing. I'm just going to let this die.

Before you do that, maybe just ditching the theme would make it better. Because all it is really doing is restricting you. If you got rid of that, this team would have a better chance at success.

Waker of Chaos January 7th, 2008 2:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3232804)
Before you do that, maybe just ditching the theme would make it better. Because all it is really doing is restricting you. If you got rid of that, this team would have a better chance at success.

That's part of the idea. Besides, I've already asked Forest Grovyle to lock this.

Forest Grovyle January 7th, 2008 2:12 PM

Thread locked on the thread creator's request.

*locks*

--FG


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