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PhoenixFlare January 7th, 2008 5:23 PM

Psuedo spinners?
 
I was playing PBR today and went through the stupid tutorial to get another battle pass and I was reading the new moves section and came across Defog and it said it blows away spikes and stealth rock I scrolled back up to make sure and read it again and yes Defog is a psuedo Rapid Spin so I came up with this.

[email protected] leftovers
252hp/ 200spdef/ 56def
Relaxed
-Will-o-Wisp/ Baton pass
-Shadow Ball
-Defog
-Calm Mind/ Stockpile/ Rest

CM and Stockpile for Baton pass or to help with bad def stats. Rest only with Cleric support.

Ársa January 7th, 2008 5:27 PM

Does it really? o.0 wow, that's a surprise. I think we'll see it used a lot more often now, and also, if you're afraid of SR / Spikes, no need to limit yourself to the Rapid Spinners that are common. Congrats on finding this. :)

~M51

Faceless* January 7th, 2008 5:33 PM

Rapid Spins plus is breaking from Whirlpool, Fire Spin, Wrap, Sand Tomb, Leech Seed

I was considering Defog as well, but can it also clear Stealth Rocks?

PhoenixFlare January 7th, 2008 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name (Post 3233622)
Rapid Spins plus is breaking from Whirlpool, Fire Spin, Wrap, Sand Tomb, Leech Seed

I was considering Defog as well, but can it also clear Stealth Rocks?

Yes it can. Now another HM has a use.

OMG I just thought of something now Articuno needs no RS support sweet.

Dark Azelf January 9th, 2008 12:44 PM

Nnnononono youve misunderstood the definition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMOGON
This move lowers the target's Evasion one stage. Furthermore, it removes Reflect, Light Screen, and Safeguard set up by the opponent, and it removes Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Toxic Spikes on the target's side of the field. This means that targeting the enemy with Defog will remove any spikes laid by the user of Defog, but targeting the user's partner will remove any spikes set up by the enemy.

So it removes your OWN spikes and Stealth Rock in single battles.


In double battles however if you use it on OWN partner, then yes it will remove the opponents SR and Spikes.

Its still another Semi-useless TM unfortunately.

PhoenixFlare January 9th, 2008 1:10 PM

Yeah unfortunately I found out it removes your own spikes in a Shoddy battle when this site was down so I guess it still is kind of useless.

El Gofre January 9th, 2008 1:15 PM

Wow, this new revelation makes defog more useless than before. I never knew it could be done lol

Samson January 9th, 2008 1:17 PM

wouldn't it be funny if whirlwind blew spikes away? XDD

skarm wouldn't hear the end of it.

PhoenixFlare January 9th, 2008 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3234568)
wouldn't it be funny if whirlwind blew spikes away? XDD

skarm wouldn't hear the end of it.

That would be amazing. Then Skarm would have the ability to Phaze, Spike, Physical wall, and demolish spikes it'd be in a new category MOU (majorly overused).

Faceless* January 9th, 2008 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare (Post 3234584)
That would be amazing. Then Skarm would have the ability to Phaze, Spike, Physical wall, and demolish spikes it'd be in a new category MOU (majorly overused).

No no no, you misunderstood his joke, Skarmory sets up his Spikes, and when he tries to make the effect of the Spikes by Whirlwinding, it blows away the Spikes HE layed up. haha

So..

DEFOG = USELESS, WORSE THAN BEFORE T_T

RAPID SPIN = USEFUL, USE ALWAYS


So.. we still have only 2 useful HM's.. Waterfall/Surf

Kittyipawd January 9th, 2008 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare (Post 3233568)
I was playing PBR today and went through the stupid tutorial to get another battle pass and I was reading the new moves section and came across Defog and it said it blows away spikes and stealth rock I scrolled back up to make sure and read it again and yes Defog is a psuedo Rapid Spin so I came up with this.

[email protected] leftovers
252hp/ 200spdef/ 56def
Relaxed
-Will-o-Wisp/ Baton pass
-Shadow Ball
-Defog
-Calm Mind/ Stockpile/ Rest

CM and Stockpile for Baton pass or to help with bad def stats. Rest only with Cleric support.

this is so useful , i need defog , for i need one of my flying pokes to spin for me.

EDIT: oooh dark_azelf your post made me so sad..............

Faceless* January 9th, 2008 6:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TDB_leader (Post 3235362)
this is so useful , i need defog , for i need one of my flying pokes to spin for me.

Omg Please read above your posts, Defog blows away the Spikes and Stealth Rock YOU'VE set UP, NOT Your opponents

sims796 January 9th, 2008 6:06 PM

Maybe you should read on. We JUST established that it removes YOUR SPIKES. Therefore, you help your opponent.


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