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Shiraishi January 11th, 2008 8:54 PM

Free Pie!
 
No, not really. RMT pl0x.

Raijin (Raikou) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP/252 Spd/96 SAtk/96 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
---
This thing is quite beastly. I 6-0'd someone with this alone ._.

Dumbo (Donphan) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
---
Electivire counter, I guess :/

Aeriel (Vaporeon) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 12 HP/252 Def/86 SAtk/160 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Wish
- Protect
------
I think that HP isn't necessary so I pumped some EVs into Sp. def.

Fat Whore (Blissey) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 148 HP/4 Sp. def/252 Def/104 Sp. atk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy
---
I'm sacrficing some def to ensure that I won't die to Gengar >_>

Jaws (Garchomp) (♂) @ Yache Berry
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance
---
I switch into a random elec-attack, SD up and proceed to rape a team. Jaws fears Cresselia though >.<

Paper cut (Scizor) (♂) @ Choice band
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 30 HP/252 Atk/228 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit
---
Kick-arse Cresselia slayer.

luke January 12th, 2008 2:45 PM

This thread has been approved.

El Gofre January 12th, 2008 2:51 PM

Nice team, but Ive found vaporeon does need the HP EVs

LOL at blisseys name :)

Anti January 12th, 2008 2:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3240785)
No, not really. RMT pl0x.

Raijin (Raikou) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP/252 Spd/96 SAtk/96 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
---
This thing is quite beastly. I 6-0'd someone with this alone ._.

That would be the God...AKA Raikou

Dumbo (Donphan) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
---
Electivire counter, I guess :/

Yay?

Aeriel (Vaporeon) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 12 HP/252 Def/86 SAtk/160 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Wish
- Hidden Power [Electric]
---
I think that HP isn't necessary so I pumped some EVs into Sp. def.

No, needs HP with that 130 base, take advantage of it.Seems too attack-oriented for me >.>

Fat Whore (Blissey) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy
---
I'm sacrficing some def to ensure that I won't die to Gengar >_>

Just take out HP for SDef is Gengar is on your mind.

Jaws (Garchomp) (♂) @ Leftovers / Life Orv
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance
---
I switch into a random elec-attack, SD up and proceed to rape a team. Jaws fears Cresselia though >.<

Yache is overrated. Just switch...

Paper cut (Scizor) (♂) @ Choice Band
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 30 HP/252 Atk/228 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit
---
Kick-arse Cresselia slayer.
Pursuit will do jack without a CB.

Edit in bold.

Your team really sucks at attacking. Barring Kou, nothing poses any real sweeping threat (including Scizor). Skarmbliss ownage...Really, nothing you have is going to come close to hurting the pink blob.

Oh, forgot Garchomp >.> Oopsies!

Still, both of your sweepers require set-up, and Skarmory and Blissey will still give you some trouble (especially if Cressi is present).

Needs less Scizor and more Weavile IMO.

Shiraishi January 13th, 2008 7:58 AM

hrm. @[email protected] So..Scizor for Weavile? I rushed this team, obviously :[ I'm not used to using Blissey which is quite odd O_O

Dark Azelf January 13th, 2008 8:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiraishi (Post 3240785)
No, not really. RMT pl0x.

Raijin (Raikou) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 64 HP/252 Spd/96 SAtk/96 SDef
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Calm Mind
- Substitute

You stole this, ive just recently acquired one of these lol

Looks nice.




Dumbo (Donphan) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin

Yeah again nice.

Aeriel (Vaporeon) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 252 DEF / 70 SP.ATT OR SP.DEF
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam / Hidden Power [Electric]
- Wish
- Protect


Ev spread = Fail, if anything Vaporeon DOESNT NEED THAT MANY SP.DEF EVS !!! But it sure does Damn well needs Hp Evs. Hp is its biggest asset so ABUSE IT !!!

Choose between HP Electric and Ice Beam as it depends on who you fear more Dragon or Gyarados.

As Vaporeon is primarily defensive it needs protect to activate Wish or you wont last long.



Fat Whore (Blissey) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 148 HP / 252 DEF / 104 SP.ATT / 4 SP.DEF
Bold
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy


Gengar 3HKOS you with Specs w/Focus Blast, why is that even a problem when you can softboiled and Ice Beam repeatedly =/ Bold Nature Please.

Need a different ev spread aswell if your gonna use Ice Beam


Jaws (Garchomp) (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 Spd
Jolly
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast / Fire Fang
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance

Blegh, this wants Jolly, why are you cutting its above average Sp.Def for one move that is going to be used on a select group of pokemon ? With Jolly you still 2HKO Skarm and ohko Forry, so with Naive you arnt gaining anything apart from cutting defenses =/

Run 16 HP Evs aswell, it forces sp.attackers to run at least 266 sp.att or get STAB from ice Beam to guarantee a OHKO on you. 240 speed evs does the same as 252.

Yache Berry is horrible, your not hoping to keep this in on something thats packing an Ice Move anyways, so put Life Orb on it, you have a hope of sweeping then.

I like fire fang on this due to the swords dance boost,it still 2hkos skarm and OHKO'S Forry after a swords dance, but whatever


Paper cut (Scizor) (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 30 HP/252 Atk/228 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Aerial Ace
- Pursuit

Fine



.

Changes and comment are in bold

Samson January 13th, 2008 10:43 AM

i much prefer scizor with CB. you're not going to do enough to cresselia as it may paralyze you anyway. plus, you'll need extra power if you want pursuit to do anything worth the while with and without a switch. i'd give it a lot more hp, less speed in that case. otherwise, it works well with your team.

noo... just go bold. why do you have to give it max hp anyway? remove some from HP and put it into sp def.

and dark azelf, i completely disagree on yache berry. yache berry is a completely vital use of item on that garchomp set. and even worse, expecting it to take ice attacks with life orb as an item is not a good idea.

Dark Azelf January 13th, 2008 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3245946)
i much prefer scizor with CB. you're not going to do enough to cresselia as it may paralyze you anyway. plus, you'll need extra power if you want pursuit to do anything worth the while with and without a switch. i'd give it a lot more hp, less speed in that case. otherwise, it works well with your team.

noo... just go bold. why do you have to give it max hp anyway? remove some from HP and put it into sp def.

and dark azelf, i completely disagree on yache berry. yache berry is a completely vital use of item on that garchomp set. and even worse, expecting it to take ice attacks with life orb as an item is not a good idea.

I guess its of some use, i was just saying i hope that hes not not going to keep it on an Ice attack anyways,its one use item, thats my only annoyance with it. Life Orb allows Chomp to sweep better, i suppose its up to him at the end of the day.

Shiraishi January 13th, 2008 11:20 AM

Yache berry allows me to get one more SD in sometimes :/ CB-Scizor it is o_o i tried changing Vaporeon's EVs after I saw that it only has 229 Sp. def with the standard ones but w/e :[ Anyone got an EV spread for CB-Scizor?

Samson January 13th, 2008 2:55 PM

why don't you just reverse the HP and SPD evs? XD 44 SPD evs will allow it to outrun neutral base 70 speed with 0 evs. why not try that? the rest can just go into HP. if you want it to outrun Cresselia so that it can get in a free STAB U-turn, nuetral nature (85 base), you'll need 164 SPD evs with Adamant nature. in that case, 92 would go into HP.

also, now that you got rid of HP Electric on vaporeon, you're gonna have some trouble with gyara once it gets in a DD, outrunning raikou, scizor and garchomp, who are perhaps your only hope to taking it out.

Shiraishi January 13th, 2008 5:19 PM

Actually BulkyGyara gets 334 Spd with a DD but I get your point @[email protected]

Should I just go ahead and run ScarfChomp?(Even though I hate it x.x)


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