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Dark Destiny January 14th, 2008 8:55 AM

How long did it take you to get a pokemon you were happy with?
 
seriously this is taking forever

Ok i'm new to EV/IV/everything, I started breeding dratini's cos i want a decent dragonite.
I get the nature i want - jolly but it turns out it has rubbish IV's
then i have a lonely nature, that has 27 IV in speed, thats pretty good tbh.
But i want 31! =(
I've wasted 2-3 hrs and i still haven't got a dritini with a 31 IV, I'm using a ditto + dratini (that doesn't have a 31 IV =( )
but even without the 31 IV from the parent, i still could have a random 31 IV right?

Dratini
Jolly nature
likes to thrash about
48 hp
34 att
25 def
23 sp. att
25 sp. def
27 speed

Dratini
Lonely nature
Impeduous and silly
47 hp
35 att
25 def
25 sp. att
27 sp. def
30 spd

Loto January 14th, 2008 8:57 AM

Yes you could still get a random IV being 31 but 3 out of 6 IVS ALWAYS come from there parents by breeding so getting a good ditto or good dratini to breed with would speed things up but it's possible to get what you want without them.

Dark Destiny January 14th, 2008 8:59 AM

my ditto's rubbish though
and it took me like half an hr just getting that ditto

do you lvl ur hatched eggs to lvl 25 to see if you have decent IV's
becuase i just make each dratini(thats been hatched) make 6 more dratini's.

So i don't know if it's accually gd to do this or not.

Should i lvl my dratinit's to lvl 25 first? and then check IV's and then breed?

Supreme Dirt January 14th, 2008 9:48 AM

I have a long-winded way of checking my IVs.
It will take some time to do this, and is only recommended if you plan to train lots of high-IV pokemon.

1. Acquire 3-6 Pokemon with Pickup and level them to level 50-100.
2. Take your pickup team into the grass, kill wild pokemon.
3. Every few battles, check your Pokemon. Remove all items.
4. Continue until you have anywhere from 24-99 Rare Candies (99 allows 100% accuracy with IVs)
5. Hatch the Pokemon you are trying to IV breed.
6. Save.
7. Use all Rare Candies on them and check IVs.
8. Turn the Power off and on.
9. If you like the IVs, go and EV train it. Otherwise, repeat steps 5-8.

And there you have it. I myself don't bother too much with IVs yet, but I did use this strategy once. And the other items you get from Pickup are nice too.

Strategy 2:

Alternate method of Rare Candy collection:
1. Get good at the Battle Tower.

Dark Destiny January 14th, 2008 10:01 AM

erm pickup whats that?

and y do you need it to lvl 50? can't you just do it at lvl 25?(iv checking that is )

Supreme Dirt January 14th, 2008 10:04 AM

Pickup is an ability that randomly picks up items.

The Pokemon with Pickup (Zigzagoon is an easy one to get) must be a high level, as the level determines the Pickup Items.

At Level 50, it becomes easier to pickup Rare Candies.

And yes, level 25 is a good level to check IVs, but I sometimes just like to see the Pokemon's level 100 stats.

Ryu Hoshi January 14th, 2008 10:20 AM

I use to be content with ev training till i learned about Ivs..... now i just go insane trying to get My team just right.

Percy Thrillington January 14th, 2008 10:28 AM

The first Pokemon I was ever really happy with was my EV'd Lucario, I got the right IVs after getting various Lucario's to breed with each other, repeatedly, for an eternity... Then I EV'd it...

All in all, two months, three and a half weeks.

Darkgale January 14th, 2008 10:32 AM

took me almost a month to get a Cranidos with the right IV/ EV and as you all know getting a fossil isn't as easy as just breeding. I'm content with my lvl 72 Rampardos now

lostprophetsown January 14th, 2008 10:51 AM

it took me about 1 or 2 month to get nice stats on my chatot and houndoor then i kept breeding them and then i got a shiny chatot with really good IV/EV took me about 3 or more to get shiny houndour with them stats but its worth it and is fun to do so keep trying and you can do it.

Lady Nicole January 14th, 2008 10:54 AM

Aww let me help you.

This is what I do when I aim to breed a Pokemon with near perfect IVs (no, it's never taken me more than 2 weeks).

Decide which stats you'd most like to have 31 in. Say you were breeding a DD Bagon, then you'd want 31 in attack and speed; or if you were breeding a Donphan, then you'd want 31 in HP and defense.

Start with your Dratini and your Ditto. Breed a few Dratini until you get ones with better IVs than the Ditto and/or the other Dratini. Keep replacing the parents with the better Dratini babies once you've bred them (gross I know, but it has to be done XD). Anyways, keep breeding until you get a 31 IV in speed or attack, regardless of the other IVs. Once you get this Pokemon, breed from it. Make it one of the parents. Then wait for another baby with 31 in one of its stats (if it's speed again then great, that's absolutely fine; make it the other parent provided it's the opposite gender). Now you have both parents with a 31 IV in speed, so your babies are highly likely to get 31 in speed. Keep breeding until you get a 31 IV in another stat like attack, and hopefully it will also have the 31 in speed you already had on the parents. If not then don't worry, breed them both. Just keep going like this until you're satisfied. Don't just mass breed from the Ditto and original Dratini cos that won't get you anywhere. I hope that made sense >.<

As for IV checking, use this IV calculator. It's really accurate and you don't have to level to lv.50 or anything like that.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: HP and defense are harder to inherit than the other stats. Uhh... that takes a lot of explaining. I don't want to put you off reading my already length post XD

sims796 January 14th, 2008 11:06 AM

Lady, to get my team, I had to breed for about a year. Of course, Vileplume alone took about 5 months.

You breed so much, it's not gross anymore. You just want the lil bastards to make a baby. :\

Supreme Dirt January 14th, 2008 11:06 AM

It is impossible to get 100% accurate IVs from a level 1.

Lady Nicole January 14th, 2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3248696)
Lady, to get my team, I had to breed for about a year. Of course, Vileplume alone took about 5 months.

You breed so much, it's not gross anymore. You just want the lil bastards to make a baby. :\

Whoa it took you that long? You were breeding for the right Hidden Power, weren't you? Oh dear... I would never have the patience to do that >.< I hate breeding more than enough without including Hidden Powers into it as well D: That must have been... a nightmare o.O

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandella (Post 3248697)
It is impossible to get 100% accurate IVs from a level 1.

That is true, unless one parent has 31 IVs in at least 2 stats and the other parent has 31 IVs in at least one stat. The chances of getting a Pokemon with perfect IVs from the wild is a tiny 1/1,073,741,824. You've got more change of winning the lottery XD

sims796 January 14th, 2008 11:19 AM

Since I have two DS's, Diamond, & my friends Pearl, I can easily get IV battles whenever. Cuts the time in half.

Of course, I didn't back then...

Virtual Chatot January 14th, 2008 11:22 AM

My Shiny Giratina xD

Took me 4 months

Eon-Rider January 14th, 2008 11:24 AM

I ended up quitting Pokemon Diamond because I wasted too much time trying to breed a Pokemon I wanted so my answer is never I guess.

Supreme Dirt January 14th, 2008 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virtual Chatot (Post 3248728)
My Shiny Giratina xD

Took me 4 months

You can't breed Giratina.

Ryu Hoshi January 14th, 2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandella (Post 3248745)
You can't breed Giratina.

seeing that the thread is called How long did it take you to get a pokemon you were happy with he could've meant he soft rest until A shiny Giratina showed

lostprophetsown January 14th, 2008 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandella (Post 3248745)
You can't breed Giratina.

as Shin Akuma stated it doesnt say how long until you hatched the perfect pokemon its how long did it take you to get a pokemon you were happy with so he probally SR (soft reset) it to get it just like me XD

Dark Destiny January 14th, 2008 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Nicole (Post 3248681)
Aww let me help you.

This is what I do when I aim to breed a Pokemon with near perfect IVs (no, it's never taken me more than 2 weeks).

Decide which stats you'd most like to have 31 in. Say you were breeding a DD Bagon, then you'd want 31 in attack and speed; or if you were breeding a Donphan, then you'd want 31 in HP and defense.

Start with your Dratini and your Ditto. Breed a few Dratini until you get ones with better IVs than the Ditto and/or the other Dratini. Keep replacing the parents with the better Dratini babies once you've bred them (gross I know, but it has to be done XD). Anyways, keep breeding until you get a 31 IV in speed or attack, regardless of the other IVs. Once you get this Pokemon, breed from it. Make it one of the parents. Then wait for another baby with 31 in one of its stats (if it's speed again then great, that's absolutely fine; make it the other parent provided it's the opposite gender). Now you have both parents with a 31 IV in speed, so your babies are highly likely to get 31 in speed. Keep breeding until you get a 31 IV in another stat like attack, and hopefully it will also have the 31 in speed you already had on the parents. If not then don't worry, breed them both. Just keep going like this until you're satisfied. Don't just mass breed from the Ditto and original Dratini cos that won't get you anywhere. I hope that made sense >.<

As for IV checking, use this IV calculator. It's really accurate and you don't have to level to lv.50 or anything like that.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: HP and defense are harder to inherit than the other stats. Uhh... that takes a lot of explaining. I don't want to put you off reading my already length post XD


wow thats really helpful, thanks

at the moment i've just caught a ditto with
29/30 IV in hp
30 IV in attack

I'm hoping my next few dratini's have that
it's possible to get more than 2 29+ IV's on a pokemon right?
if it is how should i get 29+ speed on my dratini? - What pokemon should i breed it with? (that has great speed, or more chance or having a 29+ speed IV)

GeneralGuy January 14th, 2008 1:00 PM

Everything I've breed takes less than a week because I'm just awesome.

In order to get a Ditto with 31 Speed IVs, research the maximum speed stat that the wild Ditto can have at a certain level with what nature you'd like it to have.

Next, bring a Synchronizer with the desired nature that has 1 point less in speed that the maximum speed Ditto.

If Ditto outspeeds the Synchronizer, it has 31 Speed IVs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Nicole (Post 3248681)
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: HP and defense are harder to inherit than the other stats. Uhh... that takes a lot of explaining. I don't want to put you off reading my already length post XD

Actually, this is not true. It depends on the IVs of the parent pokemon.

Lady Nicole January 14th, 2008 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralGuy (Post 3248958)
Actually, this is not true. It depends on the IVs of the parent pokemon.

You don't believe me? Let me explain...

The IVs for the baby are first generated at random. Then a random IV from one of the parents is selected and passed to the baby. Then a random IV from the other parent except the HP IV is selected and passed to the baby. Then a random IV from a random parent except the HP IV or Defense IV is selected and passed to the baby. These IVs overwrite the originally generated IVs of the baby. Also, these three random IVs may overlap. That is, the same random IV can be chosen to be inherited in the second or third IV transfer and the one will overwrite the other.

Let me give an example.

Let's suppose the parents' IVs are as follows.

Parent A:
HP: 17
Attack: 5
Defense: 26
Sp. Att: 15
Sp. Def: 30
Speed: 21

Parent B:
HP: 23
Attack: 28
Defense: 14
Sp. Att: 22
Sp. Def: 19
Speed: 11

Now the baby's IVs are first generated at random. Suppose they are:

HP: 9
Attack: 16
Defense: 22
Sp. Att: 31
Sp. Def: 10
Speed: 18

Then a parent's random IV is chosen and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent B's Sp. Attack IV is chosen. That makes the baby's new IVs:

HP: 9
Attack: 16
Defense: 22
Sp. Att: 22
Sp. Def: 10
Speed: 18

Then the other parent's random IV except HP IV is chosen and passed to the baby. Suppse Parent A's Defense IV is chosen. That makes the baby's new IVs:

HP: 9
Attack: 16
Defense: 26
Sp. Att: 22
Sp. Def: 10
Speed: 18

Finally a random parent's random IV except HP IV or Defense IV is chosen and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Speed IV is chosen. That makes the baby's new IVs:

HP: 9
Attack: 16
Defense: 26
Sp. Att: 22
Sp. Def: 10
Speed: 21

The number of IVs passed to the baby is not always 3. It may seem as though the baby was passed more than 3 IVs from the parents if some of the IVs of the baby already matched those of the parents. It may seem as though the baby was passed less than 3 IVs from the parents if 2 or 3 of the IVs passed to the baby were in the same stat; this causes the one to overwrite the other.

Therefore the baby will always be passed between 1 and 6 IVs from the parents. The chances are as follows.

1 IV: 2.44% chance
2 IVs: 34.41% chance
3 IVs: 53.01% chance
4 IVs: 9.55% chance
5 IVs: 0.58% chance
6 IVs: 0.01% chance

So most eggs will have 2 or 3 IVs passed from the parents.

HP and Defense are less likely to be passed to the baby. I have no idea why this was decided, but there we go, that's just the way it is. The chances for each stat being passed to the baby are as follows.

HP: 8.02% chance of being inherited
Attack: 19.55% chance of being inherited
Defense: 13.78% chance of being inherited
Sp. Att: 19.55% chance of being inherited
Sp. Def: 19.55% chance of being inherited
Speed: 19.55% chance of being inherited

That is taking into account the fact that the baby's IVs may have already matched the parents' IVs.

Hopefully that made sense.

Ársa January 14th, 2008 7:35 PM

5 Months for HP Ice Yanmega, playing about an hour - 2 hours a day...

~T_S

Dark Destiny January 27th, 2008 5:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandella (Post 3248584)
I have a long-winded way of checking my IVs.
It will take some time to do this, and is only recommended if you plan to train lots of high-IV pokemon.

1. Acquire 3-6 Pokemon with Pickup and level them to level 50-100.
2. Take your pickup team into the grass, kill wild pokemon.
3. Every few battles, check your Pokemon. Remove all items.
4. Continue until you have anywhere from 24-99 Rare Candies (99 allows 100% accuracy with IVs)
5. Hatch the Pokemon you are trying to IV breed.
6. Save.
7. Use all Rare Candies on them and check IVs.
8. Turn the Power off and on.
9. If you like the IVs, go and EV train it. Otherwise, repeat steps 5-8.

And there you have it. I myself don't bother too much with IVs yet, but I did use this strategy once. And the other items you get from Pickup are nice too.

Strategy 2:

Alternate method of Rare Candy collection:
1. Get good at the Battle Tower.

Do i have to accually send the pickup pokemon into battle?


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