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griever988 January 17th, 2008 4:47 PM

New pokemon team, First timer
 
Hey guys this is my first time making a team so go easy on me :P Well i would like some advice on this team and ALL comments are certainly welcome. I would like to keep it as it is but if you think its better to change some thing's I'm up for it, except the ninetales maybe I like it heh. And if you have any suggestions for a 6th pokemon that would also be helpful

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ev's HP 6/ sp.atk 252/ spd 252
Timid
grass knot
Hidden power ice
thunderbolt
nasty plot

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Timid
ev's HP 6/ sp.atk 252/ spd 252
energy ball
hypnosis
flame thrower
extrasensory

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ev's HP 6/ atk 252/ spd 252
adamant
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Close combat
pursuit

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Bold
ev's hp 188/ Def 252/ sp.Def 68
Surf
Ice beam
Wish
Protect

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Calm
Ev's HP 252/ Def 98 /sp.def 200
Leech Seed
Sleep Powder
Hidden power Fire
Energy ball

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Relaxed
EV's HP 252/ atk 16/ Def 184/ sp.def 58
Roar
Rest
Gyro Ball
Earthquake

Updated Ev's on heracross, vaporeon and venusaur
Updated Vaporeons moveset
Added Steelix and moveset

sims796 January 17th, 2008 5:03 PM

I see two weaknesses of the bat.

You have no walls. A Thunderpunching Infernape runs through this team. As will Heracross.

The same goes for SP.Walls. Any boltbeamer (Thunderbolt/IceBeam) will also make short work of this team, as they also have moves you must look out for. Togekiss can also hurt.

Basically, you need some defense.

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:06 PM

Yeah, I figured I needed a wall but I'm not too sure which, although forretress doesnt really appeal to me much. I had a battle earlier and an alakzam completely took out four of my pokes so I dont know if the movesets are good or what should I add?

sims796 January 17th, 2008 5:19 PM

Phy.Wall
Bronzong, Leafeon, Forry, Dusknoir, Donphan, Skarmory, Steelix

Sp.Walls
Grumpig, Blissey, Snorlax, Bronzong, Dusknoir, Regice, Hypno, etc


Your choice.

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:23 PM

Hmm...well for a physical wall I guess I'll go with a steelix and for a special wall..what about a togekiss?

Ársa January 17th, 2008 5:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griever988 (Post 3256332)
Hey guys this is my first time making a team so go easy on me :P Well i would like some advice on this team and ALL comments are certainly welcome. I would like to keep it as it is but if you think its better to change some thing's I'm up for it, except the ninetales maybe I like it heh. And if you have any suggestions for a 6th pokemon that would also be helpful

[email protected] sash
ev's HP 6/ sp.atk 252/ spd 252
Timid
grass knot
Hidden power ice
thunderbolt
nasty plot

I suppose

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Timid
ev's HP 6/ sp.atk 252/ spd 252
energy ball
hypnosis
flame thrower
extrasensory

Have no Idea on Ninetails sorry.

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ev's HP 6/ atk 252/ spd 252
Adamant
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Close combat
Aerial Ace

That Pwease


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Bold
252 Def, 188 HP, 68 Sp. Atk
Surf
Ice beam / Baton Pass
Wish / Baton Pass
Substitute


Can Pass 121 HP subs with 464 HP, very nice. Baton Pass off a Wish if you like, or replace with sub, so you can keep Ice Beam for those nasty dragons that are so common these days.

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Calm
Ev's HP 180/ Def 200/ sp.atk 32/ sp.def 98
Leech Seed
Sleep Powder H
idden power Fire
Energy ball


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Bold / Calm
252 HP, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Spd

Sleep Powder
Leech Seed
Grass Knot / Energy Ball / Stun Spore / HP Fire
Grass Knot / Energy Ball / Stun Spore / HP Fire

Venusaur needs all the Sp. Def it can get, it isn't going to hit much hard anyway, but will still do enough without and EV's. Do not run Grass Knot and Energy Ball, one or the other, but I suggest HP Fire and Energy Ball. Pick your Poison, Stun Spore for double Status, so you can get your opponent on the switch.

Regards,

~Tortured_Soul

sims796 January 17th, 2008 5:29 PM

OH MY GOD!

Vaporeon can pass Subs with 1121 HP! I MUST GET ONE :laugh:

And where do you see Grass Knot & Energy Ball? He HAD HP Fire.

You should update this, Griever.

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:31 PM

Sorry I dont really know much, what is it I have to update? O.o

Ársa January 17th, 2008 5:32 PM

sims, I meant for my sets, don't use both.

As for Vaporeon, It was a typo, don't go hypo........ XD

~T_S

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:34 PM

I'm still not sure if I should replace pursuit with an aerial ace on heracross, isnt pursuit an effective move for it?

sims796 January 17th, 2008 5:35 PM

BWAAAAAA! 1121 SUBS!!!!

You nearly gave him the same set!

Venasaur can stand to lose less SP.DEF, as he can take a physical hit or two.

Update the thread with your changes.

EDIT:No, keep Pursuit, as when he comes, the opponent will most likely switch.

Ársa January 17th, 2008 5:38 PM

Diff EV's, but yes, same set. lmao

~T_S

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:43 PM

Okay hows that? and for a special wall would togekiss be good?

Ársa January 17th, 2008 5:46 PM

Togekiss is a Para-Flincher. It has ok Sp. def, but it isn't the best, the only reason it is used is because Air Slash gives a 60% Flinch rate. I would suggest the standard Blissey or Cresselia, or go with Anti and use Articuno, although I don't really like it... *Hides behind a rock

Regards,

~T_S

griever988 January 17th, 2008 5:49 PM

I see...any chance for a weezing?

Ársa January 17th, 2008 5:57 PM

Weezing is a Physical Counter. Try Cresselia, Blissey, Snorlax. Those are the 3 main ones.

~T_S

griever988 January 17th, 2008 6:05 PM

I suppose I'll go for a steelix, I also had a moveset for it that includes roar, rest, gyro ball, and EQ

*added steelix and moveset

sims796 January 17th, 2008 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3256472)
Togekiss is a Para-Flincher. It has ok Sp. def, but it isn't the best, the only reason it is used is because Air Slash gives a 60% Flinch rate. I would suggest the standard Blissey or Cresselia, or go with Anti and use Articuno, although I don't really like it... *Hides behind a rock

Regards,

~T_S

Base Sp.DEF of 115 is much more than ok. Along with base 85 HP.

If you want Weezing, Soul is right. He must be your physical wall.

Ársa January 17th, 2008 6:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3256546)
Base Sp.DEF of 115 is much more than ok. Along with base 85 HP.

If you want Weezing, Soul is right. He must be your physical wall.

I ment ok in comparison to Cresselia and Blissey etc. Togekiss is fine as a Special Wall, but those other two do a better job defensively, while Togekiss is sort of mixed, as in it Paralyzes, then tries to make you flinch, relies more on luck really.

~T_S

griever988 January 17th, 2008 6:23 PM

I know this is also probably a stupid question but couldnt vaporeon also be a special wall? and I feel as though I should take out raichu or ninetales..

[quote=sims796;3256447] Venasaur can stand to lose less SP.DEF, as he can take a physical hit or two.

What do you mean venusaur can stand to lose less SP.DEF??? do you mean I should increase his defense?


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