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demonmike January 18th, 2008 10:00 AM

Lack of online battling, deliberate?
 
I've always wondered why they didnt include this in the DS game, literally any one who had an understanding for Pokemon and knew what it was about and played it would know if you have a game capable of Wifi, online battling is a must.

I've been thinking about it, and I think I've realised why they didnt include this, if the DS had the random wifi battle feature, Pokemon Battle Revolution would probably be a failure.

I've never been too educated on the Pokemon console games, I've always preferred handheld and probably always will, this is for any game, not just Pokemon. So after seeing adverts last month for PBR i had a look into it.

Now to be blunt, and bear in mind this is an opinion formed on what I've currently read and am in knowledge of regarding PBR, it sounds absolutely terrible. I never was one for the 3D pokemon games, I had played through the first 3D cube title as a mate let me borrow it, so my opinion is pretty hard to go by. But how is this a full priced game?

I looked at the features, its just new battles (no adventure), in which you gain points which you can spend on items to beam to your Pokemon game. Now this doesnt bother me, its been obvious over the years how much Nintendo milked the money cow of Pokemon, so it was obvious they would do this.

But, the bomb finally hit the ground. I read its wifi capabilities and what do you have? Online battles. Not with friends, the DS version has that too, but with strangers.

I do consider online battling with randomers quite an important feature to add to a wifi enabled Pokemon game, every other DS game thats competitive has battles with people you dont know, whats so different with Pokemon Pearl and Diamond?

How do you guys feel about being ripped Online Battling?

I want to hear your opinions on this, as I for one feel pretty damn ripped off. Its not like they *couldnt* implement it, it seems obvious it was just for the sake that they could charge PBR as a full priced game, basically another sign of laziness after the 5 result only GTS.

Broleta January 18th, 2008 11:06 AM

I agree with you. Nintendo are and always have been very cash centred when it comes to pokemon. Hell they release 2 and 3 versions of the same game every few years! I guess that's business for ya.

sims796 January 18th, 2008 11:11 AM

Well, that's half true.

First off, online random matches isn't really all that great, IMO. Why?

Along with the sheer number of rookies, you can't forget about the hackers. They are free to show up with their Wondertombs & Arcues.

It really seems more like an afterthought-like an advancement. You still get wifi matches on the DS, & it isn't hard to find an opponent. Plus, I can choose who I want to fight, and I will know if they follow the standard rules.

Simply battling random opponents isn't enough to salvage this game for the full $50. Especially since it is poorly monitored. Any hacker can just easily come along. & unlike Stadium, for some reason, this game lacks any options for clauses.

demonmike January 18th, 2008 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3257826)
Well, that's half true.

First off, online random matches isn't really all that great, IMO. Why?

Along with the sheer number of rookies, you can't forget about the hackers. They are free to show up with their Wondertombs & Arcues.

It really seems more like an afterthought-like an advancement. You still get wifi matches on the DS, & it isn't hard to find an opponent. Plus, I can choose who I want to fight, and I will know if they follow the standard rules.

Simply battling random opponents isn't enough to salvage this game for the full $50. Especially since it is poorly monitored. Any hacker can just easily come along. & unlike Stadium, for some reason, this game lacks any options for clauses.

Well although I havent played any online random matches, I would of liked to see it as it would of added another sense of competition as you would of had win and lose points, its also good practice against Pokemon, although there is no reward, its still good to experience battles with individual Pokemon to gain a rough idea of how you can easily take it down.

Hackers have always been a problem for every Nintendo Wifi game it seems, Mario Kart, Metroid (infact, im yet to play a metroid wifi game in the past 6 months that DOESNT contain a hacker) etc, its always been a risk but the majority of us just know to keep shut and get over it, life aint over.

You do have a point about it being easy to search for, but I'm not thinking of just myself here, take for example a 10 year old Pokemon player, which is the age audience in which Pokemon generates most of its cash for, he's parents may have a lock on specific Internet sites disabling him from gaining any friend codes or could obtain a friend code which opens him up to anything from the person he is battling (after all, voice chat is enabled), and at that age any form of bullying matters.

If random battles where introduced, it'd be alot easier on every one (afterall, I have battled a few others on Serebii and such, but i'd rather just press a button that'l find me a random opponent) seeing as the closest thing we get to it is battle tower (it really does not feel the same, alot of you would probably agree).

Then again, I am most flawed in this argument with the fact i'm arguing against a free service i've just realised lol.

sims796 January 18th, 2008 11:30 AM

I can respect those views.

You must admit, though, Random wifi doesn't warrent a $50 price tag.

But that's the thing. I know "life isn't over", but I am literally unable to play Mario Kart because of hackers. It's just not fun, & it literally makes wif on that game useless.

Then Zelda, Phantom Hourglass. A nice game on wifi. However, those losers disconnect the SECOND they are at a SLIGHT DISADVANTAGE. That makes me comepletely unable to play on random Zelda matches. Funny, how they never have a single win (or loss :P)

That is why I can't ever trust random battles. They really ruin the fun.

I am glad they are doinng something about it, like on Brawl. If you d/c, you are instantly CPU controlled.


But a point system seems sound. If you d/c, you lose points, & maybe get a mark to show people that you d/c. I understand that sometimes, you have too. I've done my share of d/c's, like when I had to leave immediately. That's the only time. Even then, its not my opponents fault, why should they suffer?

If they would regulate the wifi a bit, I don't mind random matches. Even if they do, PBR still isn't worth it :P

EDIT:Even if it is a free service, it is useless if it isn't helpful. If you ask me for a free favor, you need to get to work at 4:30, & it takes 2 hours to get there. I won't be doing any favors if I pick you up at 4:00.

demonmike January 18th, 2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3257846)
I can respect those views.

You must admit, though, Random wifi doesn't warrent a $50 price tag.

But that's the thing. I know "life isn't over", but I am literally unable to play Mario Kart because of hackers. It's just not fun, & it literally makes wif on that game useless.

Then Zelda, Phantom Hourglass. A nice game on wifi. However, those losers disconnect the SECOND they are at a SLIGHT DISADVANTAGE. That makes me comepletely unable to play on random Zelda matches. Funny, how they never have a single win (or loss :P)

That is why I can't ever trust random battles. They really ruin the fun.

I am glad they are doinng something about it, like on Brawl. If you d/c, you are instantly CPU controlled.


But a point system seems sound. If you d/c, you lose points, & maybe get a mark to show people that you d/c. I understand that sometimes, you have too. I've done my share of d/c's, like when I had to leave immediately. That's the only time. Even then, its not my opponents fault, why should they suffer?

If they would regulate the wifi a bit, I don't mind random matches. Even if they do, PBR still isn't worth it :P

Yeah you do have valid points, but still, its obvious why Nintendo didnt include this in Diamond and Pearl and I think its wrong.

Ah well, if only the downloadable content feature DS carts have was large enough to have this patched into it..

El Gofre January 18th, 2008 11:59 AM

They wont add many new features, anything as big as a new battling system wont be compatable with DP. I for one wouldn't by a game that lets me battle people i dont know, as its already been said the online community is full of hackers and noobs, and no regulations. You're on a battling forum, post a thread saying 'i wanna battle' and you will have the same effect as a random battling system.

sims796 January 18th, 2008 12:25 PM

But he has an intersting point. Children wouldn't really be able to play without random matches.

Then again, they are the ones who are most likely to enjoy PBR anyway, so...

Win-win, I suppose.

demonmike January 18th, 2008 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3257900)
They wont add many new features, anything as big as a new battling system wont be compatable with DP. I for one wouldn't by a game that lets me battle people i dont know, as its already been said the online community is full of hackers and noobs, and no regulations. You're on a battling forum, post a thread saying 'i wanna battle' and you will have the same effect as a random battling system.

But some people cannot do this (Remember, kids DO play Pokemon if you forgot), pus its a little easier just to boot up your game and click 'Random Battle' dont you think? (Refer to one of my posts above, I cant be assed to quote it)

Also it wouldnt be a new battle system, and it wouldnt be big. You also go on to say it wouldnt be compatible with DP, this is true, but some linking features in Emerald wasnt compatible with ruby and sapphire, The phone trade system in the Japanese Pokemon crystal wasnt compatible with gold and silver, some of the Pikachu cups in Pokemon yellow wasnt compatible with Red and Blue, so its not unlikely for them to add a random battle Wifi option.

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Originally Posted by ウールフ (Post 3257891)
While you feel free to express your opinion, I must point out one thing: Nintendo is making a third game to Diamond and Pearl. Maybe they'll add some new features to this game... so there's no point crying over "spilled milk"(as some people refer to Diamond and Pearl as a disappointment).

Your best bet is to wait until this game comes out, whenever it does. While I doubt the addition of too many wifi additions/improvements, my only hope is that the third game will at least have enough to please.

Ah I did forget about the usual third installment, they could put it in but I doubt it seeing as they expect PBR to do that work, to shift copies.

Pokemon Diamond and Pearl were a dissapointment to some people? Wow, thats suprising to me, I've played every generation and enjoyed this one alot (Much more than R/S/E eww..). Also my post wasnt really a cry over spilled milk, just an oppertunity to vent my anger about Nintendo's act about all this, as its obvious it wasnt in the games to make PBR more appealing.

Saryka January 18th, 2008 1:16 PM

Eh, it doesn't really matter to me if there's not any random wi-fi or whatnot. To me, it makes it less annoying - you know how many people don't know about the standard rules? Heck, I didn't know about 'em 'till I joined this forum... last year D:

Saryka January 18th, 2008 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ウールフ (Post 3258132)
PBR is already disgusting as is. It's a "Battle Fronteir" addition to D/P, that's all. Of course you know this. But for the price of $50? I'm quite surprised. PBR, definitely isn't worth it's price. It's all battling. Of course that's what pokemon mainly focus on. But of course, there are those that realize that the games do reflect on the anime, so there must be sidequests, or story modes at some point to make the game at least half decent. :|

Well, yeah, I have to admit, I definitely have zero interest in buying PBR because of its Wi-Fi capabilities and the fact that all you do is battle. I mean, sure, the primary focus is battling, but, you know, sometimes you want other things to do too. Although I know some people who just wanted to get through D/P because they thought the gameplay sucked and they just wanted to get the National Dex to start battling.

Besides, battling noobs isn't fun anyway :/


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