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Live in Color January 18th, 2008 6:50 PM

Shoes?
 
Rate my team please and thank you!

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Infernape @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Blaze
-Close Combat
-Fire Punch
-U-Turn
-Thunderpunch

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba373.png
Salamence @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Modest
Intimidate
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Hydro Pump

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba232.png
Donphan @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 178 Def, 80 Att
Relaxed
Sturdy
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Shard

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfba/dpfba461.png
Weavile @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Pressure
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Pursuit

Need two more. Preferably a physical wall/dual wall, and a special sweeper. Thanks!

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Regice @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 206 Def, 52 Sp. Atk
Calm
Clear Body
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

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Azelf @ Expert Belt
EVs: 252 Sp. Att, 220 Spd, 38 HP
Timid
Levitate
-Nasty Plot
-Psychic
-Flamethrower
-HP Fighting

Kirioroshi January 19th, 2008 8:55 AM

Expert belt can be swapped for choice band if you want.

Anti January 19th, 2008 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relyt (Post 3258952)
Rate my team please and thank you!

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Infernape @ Expert Belt / Life Orb / Choice Band
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Blaze
-Close Combat
-Fire Punch / Flare Blitz
-U-Turn
-Thunderpunch

Needs more Flare Blitz IMO.

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Salamence @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Modest
Intimidate
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Hydro Pump

Scarfmence is meh IMO...SpecsMence will wreck stuff though.

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Cresselia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 76 Defense, 182 Sp. Def
Calm
Levitate
-Charge Beam
-Psychic
-Reflect / Rest / Moonlight
-Thunderwave / Rest / Moonlight

Needs a way to heal.

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Weavile @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Pressure
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Pursuit

Dying for a choice band.

Need two more. Preferably a physical wall/dual wall, and a special sweeper. Thanks!

You have good attackers (especially physical), so I'd focus on Defenses more. I actually think a resttalk Regice would be good for this team, as you can absorb status and throw boltbeam action at them.

And physical attackers that carry dark and/or bug moves could be trouble. Heracross mows you down. I'd throw in the likes of Weezing. It will free up a spot for Cressi to use Ice Beam over Charge Beam to beat Garchomp (since Weezing can cover Gyara with Tbolt action).

Actually pretty solid, but SR will massacre you pretty bad, especially with some sand stream added in. You're going to need a spinner or you're in serious trouble. Starmie could work here.

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 11:26 AM

What is SR, Anti-Pop? For a spinner I was thinking Starmie/Forretress.

Anti January 19th, 2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relyt (Post 3260704)
What is SR, Anti-Pop? For a spinner I was thinking Starmie/Forretress.

Stealth Rock...Forretress can work, watch out for fire attackers though, who can dent a lot of your walling.

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 11:35 AM

Rest -Talk Regice EV spread is : - 252 HP / 252 DEF / 4 SP.DEF still Calm nature

Why are you running sp.def evs, its overkill, it doesnt need any more sp.def.

Max def allows you to survive physical attacks and is generally better for dual walling purposes.

Anti January 19th, 2008 11:52 AM

I'd disagree there DA, Regice might have 200 base SDef, but focus blasts hurt a lot and it needs more than 4 SDef EVs.

Regice @ Leftover ** Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 36 SAtk / 164 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

You get 250 Def here, more than enough. You get close to that in SAtk as well, so you can actually attack with fair power. Max HP and the rest in SDef (SDef ends up at 524). My preferred EVing of Regice :P

EDIT: SDef isn't overkill on this thing, believe me :0

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260765)
I'd disagree there DA, Regice might have 200 base SDef, but focus blasts hurt a lot and it needs more than 4 SDef EVs.

Regice @ Leftover ** Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 36 SAtk / 164 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

You get 250 Def here, more than enough. You get close to that in SAtk as well, so you can actually attack with fair power. Max HP and the rest in SDef (SDef ends up at 524). My preferred EVing of Regice :P

EDIT: SDef isn't overkill on this thing, believe me :0

I use regice and i know it needs max def this gen.

Regice's amazing Special Defense really doesn't need much investment, but a Calm nature and max HP ensures it survives three hits from Choice Specs Salamence's Flamethrower. Concentrate on HP and Defense, which makes switching into Earthquakes from the likes of Hippowdon and Donphan a lot easier, and you can survive a Swords Danced hit from Garchomp's Earthquake. You might even bring down a Gyarados with Thunderbolt, provided it lacks Stone Edge (or misses).

Also i wouldnt say focus blast does that much, when Lucario must use Choice Specs to 2hko it with Aura Sphere.

Besides Focus Blast and Aura Sphere are why Cresselia is there.



Also your team sort of dies to Gengar, no weavile doesnt counter it due to it not being able to switch in. I suppose you can revenge kill it.

Anti January 19th, 2008 12:38 PM

I don't really see how switching into a Hippowdon or Donphan is something that Regice should be doing. Besides, they're pretty easy to predict. Not like they really carry much power anyways (as far as the walling sets go, and attacking variants shouldn't be handled by Regice). It really doesn't need that much defense.

And really, trying to counter Gyarados with Regice is very silly. Stone Edge is increasingly popular and Waterfall can flinch it to death.

Regice has a stable 100 base Def, you don't need to add much to it.

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 12:43 PM

Alright, I edited and think that this can work as a good team.

snikerz35 January 19th, 2008 12:45 PM

great
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Relyt (Post 3258952)
Rate my team please and thank you!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba392.png
Infernape @ Life Orb
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Blaze
-Close Combat
-Fire Punch
-U-Turn
-Thunderpunch

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba373.png
Salamence @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Modest
Intimidate
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Hydro Pump

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfba/dpfba488.png
Cresselia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 76 Defense, 182 Sp. Def
Calm
Levitate
-Charge Beam
-Psychic
-Moonlight
-Thunderwave

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfba/dpfba461.png
Weavile @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Jolly
Pressure
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Brick Break
-Pursuit

Need two more. Preferably a physical wall/dual wall, and a special sweeper. Thanks!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba378.png
Regice @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 96 Def, 52 Sp. Atk, 110 Sp. Def
Calm
Clear Body
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba482.png
Azelf @ Focus Sash
EVs: 252 Sp. Att, 252 Spd, 6 HP
Timid
Levitate
-Nasty Plot
-Psychic
-Energy Ball
-Shadow Ball / Fire Blast


EDIT: Changes in red.

Your team is awesome!So are your moves!

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snikerz35 (Post 3260910)
Your team is awesome!So are your moves!

Look at it now, I changed Cresselia for Forretress and added Azelf in there. I think this team will now do good.

Anti January 19th, 2008 12:51 PM

You might want something that isn't totally torched by Infernape...because Regice and Forry take a pounding. I don't know, I liked Cressi over Azelf to be honest.

ABYAY January 19th, 2008 12:52 PM

If you're running the Nasty Plot...xors, then Go Flamethrower, Plot, Psychic, and the last can be Energy Ball if you really want to for Grass/Ground elimination. If Gyarados threatens more, then go T-bolt.

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 12:53 PM

[email protected] Orb / Expert Belt / Wise Galsses
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 220 SPEED / 38 HP
- Flamethrower
- Psychic
- Nasty Plot
- Hidden power Fighting / Grass Knot /Thunderbolt

220 speed evs do the same as 252, it gets speed ties if you max it so its redundant.


Shadow Ball and energy ball does nothing for Azelf.

Needs Flamethrower or you get lolled at by steels.

Hidden power Fighting takes out heatran, Tyranitar etc and 2hkos Blissey after a Nasty Plot with Life Orb. Grass Knot if you cant get hidden power deals with T-Tar and bulky waters etc. Thunderbolt lets you hit starmie, gyarados and Togkiss harder. etc.


That regice needs max def and hp, i cant see your reasoning for wanting any more defense than 480 which 4 sp.def evs give it. its like giving Blissey no def evs, its redundant as it already has enoughsp.def. Regice without def evs is like sending blissey into battle with no def evs, it needs def evs to take hits from both ends of the spectrum.


Forry wants 252 hp / 196 def and 60 att.

You now have 3 fire weaknesses =/

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260924)
You might want something that isn't totally torched by Infernape...because Regice and Forry take a pounding. I don't know, I liked Cressi over Azelf to be honest.

Donphan? And what's a good moveset for Donphan anyway?

I'm thinking something like:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba232.png
Donphan @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 178 Def, 80 Att
Relaxed
Sturdy
-Earthquake
-Rapid Spin
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Shard

Anti January 19th, 2008 12:59 PM

I give regice SDef EVs for a reason-Nasty Plot Porygon Z and Specs Porygon Z are serious business, or any nasty plot user in general. Stat-uppers have to be defeated or defeat will come to Regice pretty quickly.

It's like why people put Def EVs on steelix-it might SEEM redundant, but in many situations you need the extra SDef to take stuff like specs fire blast crap (or in steelix's case EQ).

Focus Blast and Aura Sphere can blow it down like EQ can steelix, the extra SDef comes in handy a lot more than the extra defense.

EDIT: Donphan will also get scorched. Needs something like Cressi...that doesn't get scorched. Swampert would also be a good choice as you are lacking a bulky water.

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 1:13 PM

I just won 4-0 with the team above. It's amazing, Azelf is the whole team basically, I took 4 down just with Azelf.

Anti January 19th, 2008 1:21 PM

You can't measure anything on one battle. Azelf is great, I just don't see it working with the rest...actually, it works well with them, but your walling situation a a bit shaky and you're going to need something like suicune or swampert.

EDIT: It could go over Mence if you like Azelf that much.

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 1:35 PM

On weavile you can go down to 216 speed evs, it outruns max speed dugtrio, Sceptile and Alakazam still, again if you max it you get speed ties.

Try going 252 ATT / 216 SPEED /40 HP << This allows you to at worst, to switch directly into an unboosted Azelfs Flamethrower and live.

I also like Ice Shard >> ice Punch to get rid of Dragon Dancers Like salamence and Dragonite etc and most notable OHKOing Scarf garchomp.

luke January 19th, 2008 1:36 PM

This team definitely needs a Bulky Water. It would help your Defensive situation greatly. Especially with such a Fire-weak.

Live in Color January 19th, 2008 3:06 PM

Out of about seven to ten battles tested I lost twice. I noticed not many people carry fire types, just the odd Infernape which Salamence can deal with. I think I'm gonna stick with this team for a while, if I started phailing horribly, bulky water comes in.

Samson January 19th, 2008 7:20 PM

regardless, i'd get rid of regice for milotic.


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