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The Official Deoxys-E Discussion
Since Deoxys-E is OU now, it will probably become very piopular with all the hype and crap...so I figure we be bad people and contribute to the hype!
I'm curious about what sets us good people would use if we had a Deoxys-E at our fingertips...and for Shoddy battlers, we do! So yeah, I currently run: Deoxys-E @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Spikes - Reflect - Knock Off / Thunderbolt / Toxic - Psychic Very fun set that beats the crap out of Infernape and possibly Gyara...and can beat Heracross if it isn't using megahorn or night slash. Tbolt adds to destroy that stupid water dragon thing. and with Noir to block rapid spin, we have a fun set-up. Or you can pull a toxic deal to wear foes down more (especially since people don't use clerics now?) So that's the set I'm going to use...how about the rest of us good people? and then comment on each other's sets, offer suggestions, etc. This isn't really for "ZOMG it should be uber!" comments, even though I can see where that argument comes from. Also, how in thwe wolrd do you counter this? lol EDIT: Dark_Azelf, POST HERE! He just PMed me the scariest set I've ever laid my eyes on...it blows my set and the attacking one out of the water... EDIT 2: Deoxys-E @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 114 SDef Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Substitute - Recover - Knock Off / Toxic / Seismic Toss / Spikes - Cosmic Power Houston we have a problem! Probably would need more speed looking at it, but wow could this thing stall out anything O_O EDIT 3: Somebody editted my title >:0 ATTACK! like I care lolololol |
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Pressure Stall. [email protected] 252 HP / 114 SP.DEF /144 DEF. Timid Nature 252 HP / 80 DEF / 80 SP.DEF / 96 SPEED. Trait : Pressure - Substitute - Recover - Knock Off / Toxic / Seismic Toss / Spikes / Taunt - Cosmic Power This sets up Subs and after a couple of cosmic powers they become unbreakable and you pressure stall them and recover when necessary. You drain pp so quick its stupid. A guy posted a battle log of this Pressure out stalling a Spiritomb that had shadow ball and Rest 0_0 Knock off cripples stuff. Taunt so stuff cant blow you away, Spikes if you want team support and dont care about getting phazed. S-Toss deals consistant damage, Toxic can drain stuff quicker. Id honestly say Knock off or Taunt is better in that third slot though. If they switch they risk their item getting knocked off and if they dont they get their item knocked off and stalled out of pp. Taunt means they just get stalled out of attack pp when they cant phaze you. Which means free Cosmic Powers. I wouldnt be surprised if thing was re-admitted to Ubers lol |
Yeah, when you first PMed me the set w/o taunt I'm like, where's taunt on this beast?
But with taunt, you force the foe too attack your sky-high defenses and what can they do? I don't really see a counter for this, especially if more speed is added so no scarfers will be interfering befre you can set up. Random craxy fact of the day: -Spd nature Deoxys-E with no speed EVs has higher speed than max speed timid gengar O_O |
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Support deoxys [email protected] 160 HP / 96 Speed / 252 SP.ATT Timid Nature ~ Ice Beam / Psychic / Psycho Boost ~ Stealth Rock / Spikes ~ Knock Off ~ Recover / Taunt Ice Beam for superior coverage. Or you can pick from the other two for STAB. So much you can do with it................ |
Can someone link me to where it says it's officially OU??
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You'll see in the top right corner where it mentions D-E...sorry, that's the best I could find lol |
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So I guess you could still consider it uber. Honestly, I find it too good for OUs and just lol in ubers (though a rrevenge kill on Deoxys-F is cool). Still, let's wait and see. Also, I wonder what effects this will have on the ADV metagame. If anybody knows, tell me :) EDIT: Quote:
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if you look through rate my teams on smogon though people are using it |
I think I currently have a Shiny Naive Deoxys-A lying around. If I can convert him to be viable in OU play:
Deoxys-S @ Life Orb Ability: Pressure EVs: 158 Atk/100 Spd/252 SAtk Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Shadow Ball - Superpower Could this work? Grass Knot for Swampert, Ice Beam for Chomp and friends, Shadow Ball for Gengar, Zam etc, Superpower for Bliss? Then again, Superpower, as has been discussed, may only be effective to counter Bliss if used on a switch-in. Which makes me think to go: Deoxys-S @ Choice Specs Ability: Pressure EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Shadow Ball - Thunderbolt Straight 252 set, although some speed could be sacrificed for HP. Same as above, except with Specs and T-Bolt for Gyara and stuffs. 504 Speed and 433 Sp. Atk (assuming max IVs, which I can assure you my Deoxys lacks) should do a number on anything that doesn't resist it/isn't a special wall. --- |
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But yeah, increasing popularity is becoming obvious. Any other sets? |
well i was very suprised it got unbanned. but i dont know about it being a wall. since its supa fast its best as a sweeper. i was thinking of trying it and i tried this:
deoxys- e @choice specs pressure Evs:252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 6 HP timid / modest -psychic -ice beam -thunderbolt /energy ball -shadow ball wow i just noticed this looks like gar. maybe lower speed to 500 then put rest in hp? |
So it's funny how everyone is saying it's officially OU in Smogon as well but there isn't a proof for this.
More relevant: Is it allowed in Smogon tourneys? |
The sweeper set is pretty weak really evilcheese, I doubt it's best as a sweeper. 95 base SAtk isn't exactly splendid. It is workable for sure, but the likes of Zam would be better for that job IMO, while D has a good support movepool to work with...eh, IMO at least.
Eh, it sucks in ubers, and since we don't have anyhting else to talk about, we have D-E! lol |
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28/25/25/21/25/8 Admittedly, the speed IV is a bit low, but on this thing, does it really make much difference? |
Quick question; why is it being refered to as deoxys-e and not deoxys-s?
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Attack is actually F...or that's what I call it. It doesn't really matter what you call it as long as everybody understands what you're saying ;)
And yeah, nobody uses the normal form...ever... |
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So, are you intrested in this Careful Deoxys? 'cause if not, I'll continue sort-resetting for a modest one. |
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Modest sucks cause you have to invest more speed which can be put elsewhere. With Timid you only have to invest 96 speed evs to outspeed Scarfchomp and stuff. |
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So yeah, any sets/comments about D-E are welcome...blah blah blah |
Deoxys @ Focus Sash
252 HP/96 Spd/80 Def/80 SDef -- Timid Taunt Recover Counter Mirror Coat Obligatory CounterCoatSash set. It can work as a lead. The only reason it even needs to outspeed Scarfchomp is for Recover; most things that set up are slower. Recover so you can keep doing it. |
Revenge Killer - Sort of anyway...
Deoxys - E @ Life Orb ** Wanna?lose Naive/Hasty | 220 Spd / 96 Atk / 192 SAtk ~Pursuit - Revenge Staple ~Psycho Boost - If something wants to stay in.... ~Thunderbolt - DDGyara can get cooked ~Ice Beam - DDNite and ScarfChomp are not going to want to stay in... EVs are to outrun ScarfChomp if he thinks he can stay in. |
Based on Anti/Dark_Azelf's stall set, I've SRed once again, and got a careful one with these IVs, HP to Speed:
19/29/23/19/31/31 Sure, the HP isn't quite as high as I would have liked, but the Sp. Def and Speed are flawless (or just under), so that should make up for it. Here's the set I had in mind: Deoxys-E @ Leftovers Ability: Pressure EVs: 252 HP/136 Def/20 Spd/102 SDef Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Substitute - Recover - Ice Punch/Seismic Toss - Cosmic Power I've tweaked teh EVs a bit to give us a bit of extra speed, this gives us just over 400 speed to work with. Full HP EVs on this comes to just under 300 HP (bummer). I think the idea is here that we sub up as the opponent switches out to something that will counter it (correct me if I'm wrong, Anti). We then CPup to make us untouchable, Recovering off any damage we get in the process. I'm a bit torn as to whether to go with Ice Punch or Seismic Toss. He's sure to come across various Dragons in OU, most of which are 4x weak to Ice, which can only help to rid some threats as he sets up. If you guys think that Ice Punch is a good idea, I'm gonna have to find a cheap copy of Emerald from somewhere... :X --- |
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