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Anti January 19th, 2008 9:48 AM

The Official Deoxys-E Discussion
 
Since Deoxys-E is OU now, it will probably become very piopular with all the hype and crap...so I figure we be bad people and contribute to the hype!

I'm curious about what sets us good people would use if we had a Deoxys-E at our fingertips...and for Shoddy battlers, we do! So yeah, I currently run:

Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Reflect
- Knock Off / Thunderbolt / Toxic
- Psychic

Very fun set that beats the crap out of Infernape and possibly Gyara...and can beat Heracross if it isn't using megahorn or night slash. Tbolt adds to destroy that stupid water dragon thing. and with Noir to block rapid spin, we have a fun set-up. Or you can pull a toxic deal to wear foes down more (especially since people don't use clerics now?)

So that's the set I'm going to use...how about the rest of us good people? and then comment on each other's sets, offer suggestions, etc.

This isn't really for "ZOMG it should be uber!" comments, even though I can see where that argument comes from.

Also, how in thwe wolrd do you counter this? lol

EDIT: Dark_Azelf, POST HERE! He just PMed me the scariest set I've ever laid my eyes on...it blows my set and the attacking one out of the water...

EDIT 2:

Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 114 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Recover
- Knock Off / Toxic / Seismic Toss / Spikes
- Cosmic Power

Houston we have a problem! Probably would need more speed looking at it, but wow could this thing stall out anything O_O

EDIT 3: Somebody editted my title >:0 ATTACK! like I care lolololol

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260494)
Since Deoxys-E is OU now, it will probably become very piopular with all the hype and crap...so I figure we be bad people and contribute to the hype!

I'm curious about what sets us good people would use if we had a Deoxys-E at our fingertips...and for Shoddy battlers, we do! So yeah, I currently run:

Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Reflect
- Knock Off / Thunderbolt / Toxic
- Psychic

Very fun set that beats the crap out of Infernape and possibly Gyara...and can beat Heracross if it isn't using megahorn or night slash. Tbolt adds to destroy that stupid water dragon thing. and with Noir to block rapid spin, we have a fun set-up. Or you can pull a toxic deal to wear foes down more (especially since people don't use clerics now?)

So that's the set I'm going to use...how about the rest of us good people? and then comment on each other's sets, offer suggestions, etc.

This isn't really for "ZOMG it should be uber!" comments, even though I can see where that argument comes from.

Also, how in thwe wolrd do you counter this? lol

EDIT: Dark_Azelf, POST HERE! He just PMed me the scariest set I've ever laid my eyes on...it blows my set and the attacking one out of the water...

Yeah it is scary

Pressure Stall.

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252 HP / 114 SP.DEF /144 DEF.
Timid Nature
252 HP / 80 DEF / 80 SP.DEF / 96 SPEED.
Trait : Pressure
- Substitute
- Recover
- Knock Off / Toxic / Seismic Toss / Spikes / Taunt
- Cosmic Power


This sets up Subs and after a couple of cosmic powers they become unbreakable and you pressure stall them and recover when necessary. You drain pp so quick its stupid.

A guy posted a battle log of this Pressure out stalling a Spiritomb that had shadow ball and Rest 0_0



Knock off cripples stuff. Taunt so stuff cant blow you away, Spikes if you want team support and dont care about getting phazed. S-Toss deals consistant damage, Toxic can drain stuff quicker.

Id honestly say Knock off or Taunt is better in that third slot though. If they switch they risk their item getting knocked off and if they dont they get their item knocked off and stalled out of pp. Taunt means they just get stalled out of attack pp when they cant phaze you. Which means free Cosmic Powers.



I wouldnt be surprised if thing was re-admitted to Ubers lol

Anti January 19th, 2008 10:10 AM

Yeah, when you first PMed me the set w/o taunt I'm like, where's taunt on this beast?

But with taunt, you force the foe too attack your sky-high defenses and what can they do? I don't really see a counter for this, especially if more speed is added so no scarfers will be interfering befre you can set up.

Random craxy fact of the day: -Spd nature Deoxys-E with no speed EVs has higher speed than max speed timid gengar O_O

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260538)
Yeah, when you first PMed me the set w/o taunt I'm like, where's taunt on this beast?

But with taunt, you force the foe too attack your sky-high defenses and what can they do? I don't really see a counter for this, especially if more speed is added so no scarfers will be interfering befre you can set up.

Random craxy fact of the day: -Spd nature Deoxys-E with no speed EVs has higher speed than max speed timid gengar O_O

Id say maybe cut 96 evs combined out of both defenses and put them in speed actually and give it timid, it outruns scarf chomp ands stuff then.


Support deoxys


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160 HP / 96 Speed / 252 SP.ATT
Timid Nature
~ Ice Beam / Psychic / Psycho Boost
~ Stealth Rock / Spikes
~ Knock Off
~ Recover / Taunt

Ice Beam for superior coverage. Or you can pick from the other two for STAB.

So much you can do with it................

Syaoran January 19th, 2008 10:25 AM

Can someone link me to where it says it's officially OU??

Anti January 19th, 2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3260578)
Can someone link me to where it says it's officially OU??

Here.

You'll see in the top right corner where it mentions D-E...sorry, that's the best I could find lol

Syaoran January 19th, 2008 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260591)
Here.

You'll see in the top right corner where it mentions D-E...sorry, that's the best I could find lol

No no, I mean unbanned on Smogon.

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260591)
Here.

You'll see in the top right corner where it mentions D-E...sorry, that's the best I could find lol

ROFL it made me laugh where it said "If it proves to be broken, it will be banned again" *Looks at pressure stall set*

Anti January 19th, 2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3260597)
No no, I mean unbanned on Smogon.

It's still uber on Smogon...yeah...

So I guess you could still consider it uber. Honestly, I find it too good for OUs and just lol in ubers (though a rrevenge kill on Deoxys-F is cool). Still, let's wait and see.

Also, I wonder what effects this will have on the ADV metagame. If anybody knows, tell me :)

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3260599)
ROFL it made me laugh where it said "If it proves to be broken, it will be banned again" *Looks at pressure stall set*

:)

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 3260597)
No no, I mean unbanned on Smogon.

We're not allowed to link to other forums, and doesnt smogon support shoddy battle as they base their tier list on it ?


if you look through rate my teams on smogon though people are using it

LethalTexture January 19th, 2008 10:37 AM

I think I currently have a Shiny Naive Deoxys-A lying around. If I can convert him to be viable in OU play:

Deoxys-S @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 158 Atk/100 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Superpower

Could this work? Grass Knot for Swampert, Ice Beam for Chomp and friends, Shadow Ball for Gengar, Zam etc, Superpower for Bliss? Then again, Superpower, as has been discussed, may only be effective to counter Bliss if used on a switch-in. Which makes me think to go:

Deoxys-S @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

Straight 252 set, although some speed could be sacrificed for HP. Same as above, except with Specs and T-Bolt for Gyara and stuffs. 504 Speed and 433 Sp. Atk (assuming max IVs, which I can assure you my Deoxys lacks) should do a number on anything that doesn't resist it/isn't a special wall.
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Anti January 19th, 2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3260608)
We're not allowed to link to other forums, and doesnt smogon support shoddy battle as they base their tier list on it ?

That's not a forum...is it? I mean, it's not a part of the forums on Smogon.

if you look through rate my teams on smogon though people are using it

Great, time to get pressure stalled!

Sorry if it's a link to other forums or w/e, but that technically isn't a forum...

But yeah, increasing popularity is becoming obvious. Any other sets?

evilcheese January 19th, 2008 10:40 AM

well i was very suprised it got unbanned. but i dont know about it being a wall. since its supa fast its best as a sweeper. i was thinking of trying it and i tried this:

deoxys- e @choice specs
pressure
Evs:252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
timid / modest
-psychic
-ice beam
-thunderbolt /energy ball
-shadow ball

wow i just noticed this looks like gar. maybe lower speed to 500 then put rest in hp?

Syaoran January 19th, 2008 10:41 AM

So it's funny how everyone is saying it's officially OU in Smogon as well but there isn't a proof for this.

More relevant: Is it allowed in Smogon tourneys?

Anti January 19th, 2008 10:49 AM

The sweeper set is pretty weak really evilcheese, I doubt it's best as a sweeper. 95 base SAtk isn't exactly splendid. It is workable for sure, but the likes of Zam would be better for that job IMO, while D has a good support movepool to work with...eh, IMO at least.

Eh, it sucks in ubers, and since we don't have anyhting else to talk about, we have D-E! lol

LethalTexture January 19th, 2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260494)
Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 114 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Recover
- Knock Off / Toxic / Seismic Toss / Spikes
- Cosmic Power

Houston we have a problem! Probably would need more speed looking at it, but wow could this thing stall out anything O_O

If you're interested in raising one of these on D/P, I've just soft reseted (oh dear) for a Modest one, but I've just got one that is Careful, with these IVs, HP to Speed, based on it's defence form at Lv. 30:

28/25/25/21/25/8

Admittedly, the speed IV is a bit low, but on this thing, does it really make much difference?

El Gofre January 19th, 2008 11:04 AM

Quick question; why is it being refered to as deoxys-e and not deoxys-s?

LethalTexture January 19th, 2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3260666)
Quick question; why is it being refered to as deoxys-e and not deoxys-s?

The E stands for Emerald. So attack form is R (FireRed), Defence is L, Speed is E, and normal I believe is RS. But no-one in the right mind uses normal form anyway.

Anti January 19th, 2008 11:18 AM

Attack is actually F...or that's what I call it. It doesn't really matter what you call it as long as everybody understands what you're saying ;)

And yeah, nobody uses the normal form...ever...

LethalTexture January 19th, 2008 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3260687)
Attack is actually F...or that's what I call it. It doesn't really matter what you call it as long as everybody understands what you're saying ;)

And yeah, nobody uses the normal form...ever...

Yeah, I meant to say F, my bad... :X

So, are you intrested in this Careful Deoxys? 'cause if not, I'll continue sort-resetting for a modest one.

Dark Azelf January 19th, 2008 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3260694)
Yeah, I meant to say F, my bad... :X

So, are you intrested in this Careful Deoxys? 'cause if not, I'll continue sort-resetting for a modest one.

You Want Naive/Hasty for mixed sweeping or Timid for support, stall and specs sets.

Modest sucks cause you have to invest more speed which can be put elsewhere. With Timid you only have to invest 96 speed evs to outspeed Scarfchomp and stuff.

Anti January 19th, 2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanoDance (Post 3260694)
Yeah, I meant to say F, my bad... :X

So, are you intrested in this Careful Deoxys? 'cause if not, I'll continue sort-resetting for a modest one.

Me? Oh, I don't have a DS :P Post it in the trade place or something ;)

So yeah, any sets/comments about D-E are welcome...blah blah blah

shedinjask January 19th, 2008 3:33 PM

Deoxys @ Focus Sash
252 HP/96 Spd/80 Def/80 SDef -- Timid
Taunt
Recover
Counter
Mirror Coat

Obligatory CounterCoatSash set. It can work as a lead. The only reason it even needs to outspeed Scarfchomp is for Recover; most things that set up are slower. Recover so you can keep doing it.

Archer January 20th, 2008 3:49 AM

Revenge Killer - Sort of anyway...
Deoxys - E @ Life Orb ** Wanna?lose
Naive/Hasty | 220 Spd / 96 Atk / 192 SAtk
~Pursuit - Revenge Staple
~Psycho Boost - If something wants to stay in....
~Thunderbolt - DDGyara can get cooked
~Ice Beam - DDNite and ScarfChomp are not going to want to stay in...

EVs are to outrun ScarfChomp if he thinks he can stay in.

LethalTexture January 20th, 2008 3:52 AM

Based on Anti/Dark_Azelf's stall set, I've SRed once again, and got a careful one with these IVs, HP to Speed:

19/29/23/19/31/31

Sure, the HP isn't quite as high as I would have liked, but the Sp. Def and Speed are flawless (or just under), so that should make up for it. Here's the set I had in mind:

Deoxys-E @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/136 Def/20 Spd/102 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Recover
- Ice Punch/Seismic Toss
- Cosmic Power

I've tweaked teh EVs a bit to give us a bit of extra speed, this gives us just over 400 speed to work with. Full HP EVs on this comes to just under 300 HP (bummer). I think the idea is here that we sub up as the opponent switches out to something that will counter it (correct me if I'm wrong, Anti). We then CPup to make us untouchable, Recovering off any damage we get in the process. I'm a bit torn as to whether to go with Ice Punch or Seismic Toss. He's sure to come across various Dragons in OU, most of which are 4x weak to Ice, which can only help to rid some threats as he sets up. If you guys think that Ice Punch is a good idea, I'm gonna have to find a cheap copy of Emerald from somewhere... :X
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