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Minos Yewman January 21st, 2008 11:12 AM

Is Phione Legendary?
 
Phione is considered by some to be a legendary pokemon. However these are the requirements for being classified as 'Legendary'. Pokemon may break 1 and 1 ONLY.
  • Pokemon cannot have a Gender
  • You must only be able to get one of the Pokemon wild per game
  • The Pokemon must not be able to breed
  • Pokemon must not evolve from or into another Pokemon
  • The Pokemon must be near the end of the Pokedex for that generation
When Phione is run through this test then it has this result:
  • Gender: NO
  • 1 per game: NO
  • Breed: YES
  • Evolve: NO
  • Pokedex: YES
As you see Phione does not qualify for Legendary status. While we are here I will run Archanine through just to prove to those people who believe it is Legendary that it is not:
  • Gender: YES
  • 1 per game: NO
  • Breed: YES
  • Evolve: YES
  • Pokedex: NO
All blanks, sorry those few of you, but he is not Legendary. I will run Mewtwo through as an example of a real Legendary:
  • Gender: NO
  • 1 per game: YES
  • Breed: NO
  • Evolve: NO
  • Pokedex: YES

Darkgale January 21st, 2008 12:48 PM

NO!

I like to think of it this way:

When a legendary man/woman has a child, is that child considered to be legendary?
-No
Manaphy is a Legendary pokemon. Thus its offspring are not.

(Also this begins to question the "legendaryness" of Manaphy because most other legendaries cant breed =/)

El Gofre January 21st, 2008 12:51 PM

It depends on the man or woman, god was a bit of a lej IMO, and so was jebus :P

No but seriously, it would be if they put a 1-egg limit on it. That might've bin hard to program though, seeing as one person could get a phione then trade off his sterile manaphy.

Darkgale January 21st, 2008 12:57 PM

Yes you do make a fair point, but seeing as you can get an unlimited amount of phione out a single manaphy, i think that phione should be regarded more of as a normal pokemon. ( i believe there are less shiny bidoof out there than phiones.)

El Gofre January 21st, 2008 12:58 PM

Thats what i mean, if they had put a 1 egg per cartridge limit then it could happily reside as legendy, but that isnt the case so its normal status for phione :)

Drakorn January 21st, 2008 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3267112)
Phione is considered by some to be a legendary pokemon. However these are the requirements for being classified as 'Legendary'. Pokemon may break 1 and 1 ONLY.
  • Pokemon cannot have a Gender
  • You must only be able to get one of the Pokemon wild per game
  • The Pokemon must not be able to breed
  • Pokemon must not evolve from or into another Pokemon
  • The Pokemon must be near the end of the Pokedex for that generation
:

All blanks, sorry those few of you, but he is not Legendary. I will run Mewtwo through as an example of a real Legendary
  • Gender: NO
  • 1 per game: YES
  • Breed: NO
  • Evolve: YES
  • Pokedex: YES

Mewtwo doesn't evolve or have an evolve in that matter.

I say No, even though you have to have a legendary to get it. It doesn't mean that it is a legendary when it hatches into Phione.

I think this thread doesn't go here.

El Gofre January 21st, 2008 1:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakorn (Post 3267697)
Mewtwo doesn't evolve or have an evolve in that matter.

Erm, no-one ever said he did. Mewtwo obviously isnt a legend he was made in a lab.

Drakorn January 21st, 2008 1:23 PM

Gender: NO
1 per game: YES
Breed: NO
Evolve: YES
Pokedex: YES

If you look above he said Yes for evolve, not No.

El Gofre January 21st, 2008 1:25 PM

Ohhhhh sorry i misunderstood :P

Minos Yewman January 22nd, 2008 9:16 AM

Opps. sorry, I have corrected it now.

Aegis January 22nd, 2008 1:12 PM

I never really considered it as a legendary, seeing as how it's an offshoot of Manaphy. But I wouldn't classify it as a regular Pokemon either, seeing as how it can't be caught in the wild either.

Faceless* January 22nd, 2008 1:13 PM

Please give me one reason why it is NOT a legendary..

Darkgale January 22nd, 2008 1:17 PM

(1) You can get an infinite amount of them from a single game , and it has average stats, nothing amazing.(also look up at my previous posts.)

Eruption January 22nd, 2008 1:30 PM

No, it is just the offspring of the legendary.

It doesnt have legendary like base stast, there is more than one. [Tbh legendary just means there is only one in pokemon so I neednt go on]

Arrmegedden January 22nd, 2008 4:37 PM

it is since you hatch it from an egg made by manafi . since manafi is legendary phion is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakorn (Post 3267707)
Gender: NO
1 per game: YES
Breed: NO
Evolve: YES
Pokedex: YES

If you look above he said Yes for evolve, not No.

phione doesnt evolve into manaphi or anything else

RSL January 22nd, 2008 5:25 PM

Then why is it banned in the Battle Tower? Must be it's relation to Manaphy.

Arrmegedden January 22nd, 2008 5:30 PM

its pretty much a different version of manaphy because if this thing isnt legendary (whitch it is ) manaphy isnt legendary ether

kabigon January 22nd, 2008 6:49 PM

I dont think phione is a legend at all. It's a weaker version of manaphy. It cant learn as good moves as manaphy can and none of its stats are impressive at all. It's a pretty mediocre pokemon.

smile! January 23rd, 2008 8:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3267112)
Phione is considered by some to be a legendary pokemon. However these are the requirements for being classified as 'Legendary'. Pokemon may break 1 and 1 ONLY.
  • Pokemon cannot have a Gender
  • You must only be able to get one of the Pokemon wild per game
  • The Pokemon must not be able to breed
  • Pokemon must not evolve from or into another Pokemon
  • The Pokemon must be near the end of the Pokedex for that generation

Dragonite isn't a legendary, but it surpassed the trio birds in the RBY/FRLG Pokedex.
BTW, Phione is not a legendary IMO because from my point of view, legendaries have at least 580 base stat in total.

Aegis January 23rd, 2008 8:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smile! (Post 3272539)
Dragonite isn't a legendary, but it surpassed the trio birds in the RBY/FRLG Pokedex.
BTW, Phione is not a legendary IMO because from my point of view, legendaries have at least 580 base stat in total.

But, Dragonite does have gender, is an evolved form of another Pokemon, can breed, and you can get more of it in the game. But, I do agree with what you were getting at, being at the end of the poke-dex isn't really a good way to qualify for a legendary. If it was, Porygon would come awful close to being a legendary.

lostprophetsown January 23rd, 2008 10:27 AM

i voted yes because i think its a legendary that breaks the rules and can mother children which is a bit more realistic however i can see your point because some people consider lucario as a legendary however he can mother/father children aswell so im not really that sure....

Faceless* January 23rd, 2008 12:56 PM

Stats do NOT MATTER if it's a legend or not, neither does gender, Cresselia and Heatran both have genders

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 1:34 PM

Manafy is legendary because it has this result:
  • Gender: NO
  • 1 per game: YES
  • Breed: YES
  • Evolve: NO
  • Pokedex: YES
It also is true that while stats do not have anything to do with being legendary, it does affect if it is an uber or not. Manafy is uber and Phione is not. However, this is just for interest as neither are any of the pokemon enterable for battle towever with the exception of Latias and Latios.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 1:45 PM

Yeah, stats don't matter, otherwise Entei wouldn't be legendary gang.

I'd say it's legendary...no reason, I just think making complex formula stuff for this is nuts.

Gender means nothing, look at the [email protected] 1 a game? Does that even matter?

Breeding...I don't get this either. How does breeding have to do with it being a legendary? Besides, this topic goes beyond just the games. Remember, pokemon has a manga, anime, etc. as well.

Pokedex...lol wut

1 per game? Eh, more like one in existance or something. But really, I;m not feeling this either.

Evolve? No legendaries evolve, neither does Phoine...eh.


I don't know, I'm not feeling this whole formula deal.

Also, saying it's a weaker version of Manaphy proves nothing. Again, if stats mattered, Entei would be as non-legendary as they come.

What this thread is proving to me is that Nintendo has made too many legends...and pokemon for that matter.

But I vote YES.

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3273176)
Yeah, stats don't matter, otherwise Entei wouldn't be legendary gang.

I'd say it's legendary...no reason, I just think making complex formula stuff for this is nuts.
I based the 'formula' on the general aspects shared by most legendary pokemon.

Gender means nothing, look at the [email protected] 1 a game? Does that even matter?
Well, would you consider Regirock to be legendary if it had a gender and could be caught numerous times in the wild

Breeding...I don't get this either. How does breeding have to do with it being a legendary? Besides, this topic goes beyond just the games. Remember, pokemon has a manga, anime, etc. as well.
This thread is mainly based on the game definition of legendary. There is another thread for if pokemon are legendary in the philosophical sense

Pokedex...lol wut
I decided to put that in as an afterthought. As most Legendaries are near the end this helps cancel out some other candidates. If you really have a problem with it then just ignore it.

1 per game? Eh, more like one in existance or something. But really, I;m not feeling this either.
You do realise you already made this point.

Evolve? No legendaries evolve, neither does Phoine...eh.
I never said it did.


I don't know, I'm not feeling this whole formula deal.
You are repeating yourself again.

Also, saying it's a weaker version of Manaphy proves nothing. Again, if stats mattered, Entei would be as non-legendary as they come.
I said stats DID NOT matter.

What this thread is proving to me is that Nintendo has made too many legends...and pokemon for that matter.
So you would just stop making games in one of the most popular franchises in the world would you.

But I vote YES.

I rest my case. Phione is not legendary. But you are welcome to have your own views on the matter.

Miss Raichu January 23rd, 2008 2:49 PM

I personally would not consider it legendary. But really most legendaries are only proclaimed legendary by fans, so really who knows?

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 2:52 PM

We are fans. The point of the thread is to decide.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 2:58 PM

You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official? the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:02 PM

Ok you're asking for it now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3273350)
You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.
Well you did say that Nintendo had made too many pokemon...

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.
1 a game means that you cannot get more without trading or restarting.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official?
It's not. Fair point.

the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?
My reasons for thinking if it is legendary or not legendary.


Aegis January 23rd, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3273350)
You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official? the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?

Actually, certain Pokemon are said to be legendary in the games, anime, and the manga. It is even used to define some Pokemon on wikipedia. But, I'll agree with that formula isn't official, what I think he was pointing out is that those points are a good way to identify a legendary; since lots of them share those attributes.

luke January 23rd, 2008 3:08 PM

Who cares? It's cute, an offspring of a Legendary, not powerful, and has the same base stats of Glalie. I personally think it's a Legendary, but I'd appreciate if you didn't use phrases like "You're going to get it now" or "You're asking for it now." Threats are not cool Minos Yewman. kthanxbai

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:10 PM

Sorry, its late and I'm not thinking right.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3273359)
Ok you're asking for it now.

Asking for it? It's called "having a different opinion" and I get REALLY mad when people can't realize that not everybody is going to be all peachy-happy in agreement.

And you can catch Lapras only once is GSC, it's not a legendary.

Just because I think Nintendo has made too many pokemon doesn't mean I want them to shut things down, my point stands.

And it's YOUR formula, YOUR opinion. If I disagree with it, don't go "well teh are ask1ng for it nowz0rz!!!"

And I think Loquacity's post just kind of ended the argument anyways...

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:17 PM

I said I'm sorry!!! I realise that I have been wrong in certain situations. I also realise that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I simply want to find out what other people think.

Arrmegedden January 24th, 2008 4:52 PM

okey if you think manaphy is not legendary then you dont think phion is since manaphy is legendary phion is. but people have different opinions about it.

blubergate January 27th, 2008 12:20 PM

ok i am pretty sure that phione IS legendary. my point is that you need a ranger event to get Manaphy and u need him to get phione so thearetically you need an event to get phione, ummmmmmm, does anyone get my point?

BeachBoy January 30th, 2008 3:59 AM

I disagree with many here...

Phione in my eyes is a legendary Pokemon, yes stats are below mediorce, you can get it countless times...but that doesn't deture it's label from gamefreak as 'legendary'. Though those are fine ways to label a legend. As many of the uber tier, are legendary.

Though think about it, Manaphy IS legendary, even in the Pokemon dot com mailbag they confirm that, along with rotom not being legendary, anyways...manaphy is legendary so how can it's offspring not be, for your information, YOU look like your parents, have traits of them and probably are in some cass exactly like them in ways...

Phione doesn't have that power, that folk lore story...yet its parent, is legendary, picture this. Manaphy in the sea to it's legendary palace "home". phione is with it, and say we lived in a Pokemon world for a minute. Say you cuaght a phione, as a fisher when are you just going to go "meh, it's a phione". (like a magikarp) no! your going to be excited that you got a phione that would be rare in the pokemon world and comes from a legend.

Remember folks, we ARE in a pokemon world, we're in the game... I think all this "oh its stats are low" is a bunch of you know. In the perpective of you playing a video game your looking at it wrong. Take the perpective of it in the world. You think you'll see a bagillion phione in the sea, No. Phione to me, is classified as a legend to it's rarity IN WORLD perpective. I believe if the parent is legend, so is the child, as the child CAME from the parent, thus being it's status. Phione is depicted as an angel in the sea, are angels to you common and normal like everyone else? I dont think so...

In the battle real world perpective, phione is banned from the sinnoh battle tower, hmmmm....think of that?

But alas, just my opinion...great discussion, thank you for making this thread. I enjoyed it.

So you know, we could create an in-between zone, over normal under 'perfect' legendary, idk just a thought....

Minos Yewman January 30th, 2008 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 3292077)
I disagree with many here...

Phione in my eyes is a legendary Pokemon, yes stats are below mediorce, you can get it countless times...but that doesn't deture it's label from gamefreak as 'legendary'. Though those are fine ways to label a legend. As many of the uber tier, are legendary.

Though think about it, Manaphy IS legendary, even in the Pokemon dot com mailbag they confirm that, along with rotom not being legendary, anyways...manaphy is legendary so how can it's offspring not be, for your information, YOU look like your parents, have traits of them and probably are in some cass exactly like them in ways...
I am of the opinion that Phione is not a 'child' of Manaphy, more a genetic fault. Ditto fails to copy Manaphy's genes right so a crossbreed is created. Also Phione is taller and heavier than Manaphy so this ruins the 'child' theory in my opinion.

Phione doesn't have that power, that folk lore story...yet its parent, is legendary, picture this. Manaphy in the sea to it's legendary palace "home". phione is with it, and say we lived in a Pokemon world for a minute. Say you cuaght a phione, as a fisher when are you just going to go "meh, it's a phione". (like a magikarp) no! your going to be excited that you got a phione that would be rare in the pokemon world and comes from a legend.
It does not actually appear in a legend and feebas is also rare, but is it legendary?

Remember folks, we ARE in a pokemon world, we're in the game... I think all this "oh its stats are low" is a bunch of you know. In the perpective of you playing a video game your looking at it wrong. Take the perpective of it in the world. You think you'll see a bagillion phione in the sea, No. Phione to me, is classified as a legend to it's rarity IN WORLD perpective. I believe if the parent is legend, so is the child, as the child CAME from the parent, thus being it's status. Phione is depicted as an angel in the sea, are angels to you common and normal like everyone else? I dont think so...

In the battle real world perpective, phione is banned from the sinnoh battle tower, hmmmm....think of that?

But alas, just my opinion...great discussion, thank you for making this thread. I enjoyed it.
This is also just my opinion

So you know, we could create an in-between zone, over normal under 'perfect' legendary, idk just a thought....

As I said, everyone is free to their own opinion.

weedle_mchairybug February 13th, 2008 7:43 PM

Quote:

I am of the opinion that Phione is not a 'child' of Manaphy, more a genetic fault. Ditto fails to copy Manaphy's genes right so a crossbreed is created. Also Phione is taller and heavier than Manaphy so this ruins the 'child' theory in my opinion.
Umm, wasn't John Henry born about as big as a full grown adult? I'm asking this because you mentioned that it ruined the child theory, when it can still be theoretically possible to be that size and still be it's child.

Quote:

It does not actually appear in a legend and feebas is also rare, but is it legendary?
Umm, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, and Mew also don't actually appear in legends either, and they are still listed as Legendaries even BY game standards despite that (in fact, i think the legendaries only started actually appearing in legends by the time of G/S/C, which even then, only the legendaries of that Gen got that honor). You do have a point on Feebas, though.

I understand that it's your opinion, I just wanted to point some stuff out. No offense to you, of course.

Commander_Latios February 14th, 2008 8:36 AM

nah, i don't count phione as anything even remotely legendary.

i count it as a normal pokemon, i mean, sure you can't catch it in the wild, but you can't do that with riolu's, either, or starters. or a ot of the pre-evolved and evolved forms of older pokemon (like bonsly and magmortar)

but i have to stop rambilng. phione doesn't qualify as legendary to me, end of chain.

Now, I'm off To Break into The Elder Scrolls Library.

Dunsparce February 14th, 2008 8:50 AM

IMO, Unown, Rotom, and Phione are "Semi-Legendary"

-Unown is obviously not a normal Pokemon, they mabye should even have its own classification. It's Genderless, Cannot Breed nor Evolve, Are exclusive to ancient ruins where no other species can be found, and have mysterious connections to Suicune and Ho-oh (NOT ENTEI. Anime =/= Cannon)

-Rotom has no gender and cannot evolve, but can breed with ditto. If it wasn't a Semi-Legendary, it wouls be the only non-sinnoh dex 4th gen Pokemon that was neither a new Evolution nor a Legendery. Not to mention the same song for the likes of Heatran, Regigigas, Girantina, ect. is played.

-Phione can only be originally obtained by breeding Manaphy, a Legendary. It has no gender and cannot evolve, but, like Rotom, can breed.

These three aren't truley Legendary, but they certainly aren't your average Pokemon.

Minos Yewman February 14th, 2008 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 3334073)
IMO, Unown, Rotom, and Phione are "Semi-Legendary"

-Unown is obviously not a normal Pokemon, they mabye should even have its own classification. It's Genderless, Cannot Breed nor Evolve, Are exclusive to ancient ruins where no other species can be found, and have mysterious connections to Suicune and Ho-oh (NOT ENTEI. Anime =/= Cannon)
They can still not have a connection to Entei even if the movie is true. They simply summoned Entei because the girl wished it.

-Rotom has no gender and cannot evolve, but can breed with ditto. If it wasn't a Semi-Legendary, it wouls be the only non-sinnoh dex 4th gen Pokemon that was neither a new Evolution nor a Legendery. Not to mention the same song for the likes of Heatran, Regigigas, Girantina, ect. is played.
I admit, Rotom is very close to being legendary. However, it breaks both the breeding and the only one per game rule.

-Phione can only be originally obtained by breeding Manaphy, a Legendary. It has no gender and cannot evolve, but, like Rotom, can breed.

These three aren't truley Legendary, but they certainly aren't your average Pokemon.

I think the idea of 'semi-legendary' is a good one. However, I belive the Unown do not qualify for this classification as they can be caught by the dozen in their caves. (Correct me if I'm wrong but I swore they could breed with Ditto) Also they arn't exactly the strongest pokemon in existance.

Gymnotide February 14th, 2008 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3267112)
Phione is considered by some to be a legendary pokemon. However these are the requirements for being classified as 'Legendary'. Pokemon may break 1 and 1 ONLY.
  • Pokemon cannot have a Gender
  • You must only be able to get one of the Pokemon wild per game
  • The Pokemon must not be able to breed
  • Pokemon must not evolve from or into another Pokemon
  • The Pokemon must be near the end of the Pokedex for that generation

Rotom
-- Genderless
-- Only one
-- Unbreedable
-- Does not evolve, has no preevolution
-- #479 is pretty far down the line, sir.

Rotom is hell not Legendary, sorry.

Edit: Whoops, didn't see second page, sorry about that. For the sake of being more
on topic, here's another example:

Metagross
-- Genderless
-- Only one (well, not in D/P)
-- Unbreedable
-- Evolves from Metang
-- Within the last ten of Hoenndex

Using your definition of Legendary, this means that some Pokemon which were "legendary"
previously became non-legendary, since something in that species changes, such as
how you could only catch two Snorlaxes per game, but now you can catch unlimited
Munchlaxes and evolve them.

I don't think you can put a solid definition on "Legendary".

Dunsparce February 14th, 2008 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3334089)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I swore they could breed with Ditto

Nope, they can't.

Of the three I mentioned, Unown has the most legendary qualities.

Minos Yewman February 15th, 2008 3:43 AM

Metagross can breed with ditto. I have a Beldum I bred from my Metagross that I am EV training in attack (I don't use EVs much but at the thought of an overpowered Metagross I gave in.)

weedle_mchairybug February 15th, 2008 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3336305)
Metagross can breed with ditto. I have a Beldum I bred from my Metagross that I am EV training in attack (I don't use EVs much but at the thought of an overpowered Metagross I gave in.)

yes, but it was only in EMERALD where that it was revealed that it COULD breed with Ditto. see, in R/S, apart from cheats or trading with FR/LG, you can't get a Ditto in that game AT ALL, so you can't breed Metagross in that game.

I said until Emerald because that was the ONLY R/S/E game (not counting the Gen I remakes) to have Ditto being a catchable character. usually people don't attempt to trade with other games unless it is their version's counterpart, and since the National Dex was only created when FR/LG came out (In-game I mean, since, technically, the National Dex was first used in guidebooks from Gen II, but you didn't acquire it in-game until FR/LG.).

I think that was what Gymnotide was making his point about in his statement of Metagross being unbreedable, since although it is technically breedable, it was virtually impossible to acquire a ditto before Emerald that it seemed as though it was unbreedable.

Treeckouser February 16th, 2008 7:29 AM

I guess it's not legendarie, but just because you can get many Phiones on the game.

Minos Yewman February 20th, 2008 12:13 PM

Hey, its currently NOT LEGENDARY by 2 votes (so close).

Dave-o-rama February 20th, 2008 12:18 PM

well, you know what? i think phione is a legendary pokemon. If you look in your freaking pokedex, you'll see that all the pokemon near manaphy are legendaries. and phione cant evolve or breed. so, yes, it is a legendary.

Minos Yewman February 20th, 2008 12:20 PM

It has been put near Manaphy because you breed to get it. This is the case with all pokemon except for the GSC pre-eveolutions.

Tater Tot February 20th, 2008 1:19 PM

Of course Phione is a legendary type! =O
Just because he's small, he's prince of the sea. That should immediately make him a legendary type. END OF DISCUSSION! XD

Myzou February 20th, 2008 1:25 PM

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Phione

Yes, Pokemon.com has confirmed Phione is legendary.

ExMaikel February 21st, 2008 10:16 AM

hell yeah!1111111111111111

Anxiety. March 1st, 2008 7:43 PM

It is a legendary. You have your test results wrong.

Here is how it should be!

* Gender: NO
* 1 per game: NO
* Breed: NO
* Evolve: NO
* Pokedex: YES


Yes, it comes from an egg, but Phione cannot breed, manaphy can. This way, Phione only has one legendary fault. And that is you can get more than one per game.

Sooo.. my test results say Phinoe can be a legendary. UNLESS when you write breed you mean hatch from egg. If that is the case you should state that. Thankyou XD

(I is scientifical!)

Jessie March 1st, 2008 8:00 PM

I think it is, one reason being Pokemon.com confirmed it (which has probably already been mentioned).

Noisuf Ekop 993 March 3rd, 2008 6:30 AM

I think Phione, nor Manaphy are legendary. Manaphy breaks the breeding rule also. I do not think Latias and Latos are legendary either because in Emerald/Ruby/Sapphire the descriptions says that they are seen in herds.

Just MHO.

Minos Yewman March 3rd, 2008 8:01 AM

I don't mean legendary in the broad sense of the word I mean it in the game sense. I am pretty sure you can breed Phione to get more Phione but as I dont have any 4th gen games I can't be sure.

Naito March 3rd, 2008 8:26 AM

Phione is an one-off Pokemon that's the uh...

Well Kyogre is King of the Sea, Manaphy is Prince... What does that make Phione? Princess of the Sea?

Normally most legends can be related to some sort of mythology in the games. Latios and Latias were one of the few that could breed. The legendary birds and the Regis are plentiful...

Hm, there's a lot of rules in the games and anime that conflict each other. I'm just gonna call it a legend as it's an one-off Pokemon probably in D/P mythology somewhere (and Nintendo confirmed it).

Edit: You CANNOT breed Phione to make more. It's a genderless that can't breed with Ditto. Phione is a pre-evolved form of Manaphy (which is a basic form Pokemon), so Game Freak made it that you can't breed Phione. However you can breed Manaphy with Ditto to get several Phiones.

Noisuf Ekop 993 March 4th, 2008 5:54 AM

Just to clear everything up, in the nintendo power ultimute pokedex for D/P in the breeding section it says this:

MANAPHY AND PHIONE
Something special happens when you breed a Manaphy (the only legendary pokemon you can breed). You get an Egg for the baby pokemon Phione. Phione can breed, but it will never evolve into Manaphy.

I hope that clears everything up.

Jessie March 4th, 2008 6:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AExcalibur (Post 3391653)
Phione is an one-off Pokemon that's the uh...

Well Kyogre is King of the Sea, Manaphy is Prince... What does that make Phione? Princess of the Sea?

Normally most legends can be related to some sort of mythology in the games. Latios and Latias were one of the few that could breed. The legendary birds and the Regis are plentiful...

Hm, there's a lot of rules in the games and anime that conflict each other. I'm just gonna call it a legend as it's an one-off Pokemon probably in D/P mythology somewhere (and Nintendo confirmed it).

Edit: You CANNOT breed Phione to make more. It's a genderless that can't breed with Ditto. Phione is a pre-evolved form of Manaphy (which is a basic form Pokemon), so Game Freak made it that you can't breed Phione. However you can breed Manaphy with Ditto to get several Phiones.

What are you talking about?! You can't breed Latios and Latias! xD

airconditioning March 4th, 2008 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokemon.com
Is Phione a Legendary?

Even though Legendaries can't usually breed, you do breed Manaphy to get a Phione - so yes, Phione is a Legendary Pokemon! But remember, Phione will never evolve into Manaphy.

http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008

/endthread

Azonic March 4th, 2008 4:53 PM

Phione a legendary? I think so.
Phione strong? I think not.

Just remember, Legendary or not, the term "Legendary" has no effect on how strong a Pokemon is. Legendary is not a tier in competetive. So I'd say it is very much a legendary Pokemon, but by no means is it strong.

Evan44 January 29th, 2011 2:46 AM

In my opinion, phione should be a psuedo-legendary pokemon like dragonite,salamence,garchomp and metagross.
Its not exactly a legend in batlling by my standards(or even a real legendary),but definitely not an ordinary pokemon.Psuedo-legends arent legends but have the power to act like a 'legendary' and so can Phione, given the right EV's Iv's and nature it can prove its power just as well as manaphy.(Trust me because i own one)
I have this opinion also with rotom.(did you know rotom is motor spelt backwards)
In conclusion,this is my opinion of what manaphy should be.

Clark January 29th, 2011 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan44 (Post 6425099)
In my opinion, phione should be a psuedo-legendary pokemon like dragonite,salamence,garchomp and metagross.

"Pseudo-legendary" is a fanmade term referring specifically to Pokemon like Dragonite, Salamence, etc. It isn't a broad spectrum that includes any Pokemon who happens to be "strong" or "not quite legendary".


I don't consider Phione legendary. There's kinda two ways I look at a Pokemon to determine whether it's "legendary" or not. On one hand, there's how they fit into the games. Sorta like that list of legendary criteria. On the other, there's how they fit into the plot and lore of the world. A Pokemon wouldn't really be "legendary" if there were no legends about it, right? Of course, this does exclude a few Pokemon widely accepted as legendaries, most notably Mewtwo and Deoxys. I myself think of those two as being... technically not really legendary, but for the purpose of simplicity and for how they're placed into the games they work as legendaries.

Phione wouldn't be legendary because it's not really passing from either a game-based or plot-based perspective. Phione hatches from an egg. You can get multiple Phiones in one game. There don't seem to be many myths or relevant legends about it, either. If the bits of lore surrounding Phione make it legendary, then Pokemon like Arcanine and Ninetales would probably have to be legendary as well.

Ayselipera January 29th, 2011 6:32 PM

Evan44, please do not post in threads that exceed a one month post date. This thread is a few years old. Next time please check the last post date before posting! :)

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