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Miss Raichu January 23rd, 2008 2:49 PM

I personally would not consider it legendary. But really most legendaries are only proclaimed legendary by fans, so really who knows?

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 2:52 PM

We are fans. The point of the thread is to decide.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 2:58 PM

You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official? the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:02 PM

Ok you're asking for it now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3273350)
You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.
Well you did say that Nintendo had made too many pokemon...

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.
1 a game means that you cannot get more without trading or restarting.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official?
It's not. Fair point.

the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?
My reasons for thinking if it is legendary or not legendary.


Aegis January 23rd, 2008 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3273350)
You realize the greatest speakers of all time used repetition? Though the 1 a game thing was an accident...

You never rested any case really. Most of what I said wasn't even aimed at you, but at the formula in general. In that sense, you took it out of context. for example, you immediately assume I want Nintendo to shut down pokemon. I, for one, don't really appreciate that. Notice OTHER people were moaning about the stats, assuming this is all aimed at you is pretty bogus.

And yes, Regirock would be legendary. After all, you can catch and transfer tons of any legendary pokemon from one game to another.

And once again, how is this formula is any way official? the game doesn't even have a definition of legendaries, making a formula up and then declaring something legendary or not legendary proves what?

Actually, certain Pokemon are said to be legendary in the games, anime, and the manga. It is even used to define some Pokemon on wikipedia. But, I'll agree with that formula isn't official, what I think he was pointing out is that those points are a good way to identify a legendary; since lots of them share those attributes.

luke January 23rd, 2008 3:08 PM

Who cares? It's cute, an offspring of a Legendary, not powerful, and has the same base stats of Glalie. I personally think it's a Legendary, but I'd appreciate if you didn't use phrases like "You're going to get it now" or "You're asking for it now." Threats are not cool Minos Yewman. kthanxbai

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:10 PM

Sorry, its late and I'm not thinking right.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3273359)
Ok you're asking for it now.

Asking for it? It's called "having a different opinion" and I get REALLY mad when people can't realize that not everybody is going to be all peachy-happy in agreement.

And you can catch Lapras only once is GSC, it's not a legendary.

Just because I think Nintendo has made too many pokemon doesn't mean I want them to shut things down, my point stands.

And it's YOUR formula, YOUR opinion. If I disagree with it, don't go "well teh are ask1ng for it nowz0rz!!!"

And I think Loquacity's post just kind of ended the argument anyways...

Minos Yewman January 23rd, 2008 3:17 PM

I said I'm sorry!!! I realise that I have been wrong in certain situations. I also realise that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I simply want to find out what other people think.

Arrmegedden January 24th, 2008 4:52 PM

okey if you think manaphy is not legendary then you dont think phion is since manaphy is legendary phion is. but people have different opinions about it.

blubergate January 27th, 2008 12:20 PM

ok i am pretty sure that phione IS legendary. my point is that you need a ranger event to get Manaphy and u need him to get phione so thearetically you need an event to get phione, ummmmmmm, does anyone get my point?

BeachBoy January 30th, 2008 3:59 AM

I disagree with many here...

Phione in my eyes is a legendary Pokemon, yes stats are below mediorce, you can get it countless times...but that doesn't deture it's label from gamefreak as 'legendary'. Though those are fine ways to label a legend. As many of the uber tier, are legendary.

Though think about it, Manaphy IS legendary, even in the Pokemon dot com mailbag they confirm that, along with rotom not being legendary, anyways...manaphy is legendary so how can it's offspring not be, for your information, YOU look like your parents, have traits of them and probably are in some cass exactly like them in ways...

Phione doesn't have that power, that folk lore story...yet its parent, is legendary, picture this. Manaphy in the sea to it's legendary palace "home". phione is with it, and say we lived in a Pokemon world for a minute. Say you cuaght a phione, as a fisher when are you just going to go "meh, it's a phione". (like a magikarp) no! your going to be excited that you got a phione that would be rare in the pokemon world and comes from a legend.

Remember folks, we ARE in a pokemon world, we're in the game... I think all this "oh its stats are low" is a bunch of you know. In the perpective of you playing a video game your looking at it wrong. Take the perpective of it in the world. You think you'll see a bagillion phione in the sea, No. Phione to me, is classified as a legend to it's rarity IN WORLD perpective. I believe if the parent is legend, so is the child, as the child CAME from the parent, thus being it's status. Phione is depicted as an angel in the sea, are angels to you common and normal like everyone else? I dont think so...

In the battle real world perpective, phione is banned from the sinnoh battle tower, hmmmm....think of that?

But alas, just my opinion...great discussion, thank you for making this thread. I enjoyed it.

So you know, we could create an in-between zone, over normal under 'perfect' legendary, idk just a thought....

Minos Yewman January 30th, 2008 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 3292077)
I disagree with many here...

Phione in my eyes is a legendary Pokemon, yes stats are below mediorce, you can get it countless times...but that doesn't deture it's label from gamefreak as 'legendary'. Though those are fine ways to label a legend. As many of the uber tier, are legendary.

Though think about it, Manaphy IS legendary, even in the Pokemon dot com mailbag they confirm that, along with rotom not being legendary, anyways...manaphy is legendary so how can it's offspring not be, for your information, YOU look like your parents, have traits of them and probably are in some cass exactly like them in ways...
I am of the opinion that Phione is not a 'child' of Manaphy, more a genetic fault. Ditto fails to copy Manaphy's genes right so a crossbreed is created. Also Phione is taller and heavier than Manaphy so this ruins the 'child' theory in my opinion.

Phione doesn't have that power, that folk lore story...yet its parent, is legendary, picture this. Manaphy in the sea to it's legendary palace "home". phione is with it, and say we lived in a Pokemon world for a minute. Say you cuaght a phione, as a fisher when are you just going to go "meh, it's a phione". (like a magikarp) no! your going to be excited that you got a phione that would be rare in the pokemon world and comes from a legend.
It does not actually appear in a legend and feebas is also rare, but is it legendary?

Remember folks, we ARE in a pokemon world, we're in the game... I think all this "oh its stats are low" is a bunch of you know. In the perpective of you playing a video game your looking at it wrong. Take the perpective of it in the world. You think you'll see a bagillion phione in the sea, No. Phione to me, is classified as a legend to it's rarity IN WORLD perpective. I believe if the parent is legend, so is the child, as the child CAME from the parent, thus being it's status. Phione is depicted as an angel in the sea, are angels to you common and normal like everyone else? I dont think so...

In the battle real world perpective, phione is banned from the sinnoh battle tower, hmmmm....think of that?

But alas, just my opinion...great discussion, thank you for making this thread. I enjoyed it.
This is also just my opinion

So you know, we could create an in-between zone, over normal under 'perfect' legendary, idk just a thought....

As I said, everyone is free to their own opinion.

weedle_mchairybug February 13th, 2008 7:43 PM

Quote:

I am of the opinion that Phione is not a 'child' of Manaphy, more a genetic fault. Ditto fails to copy Manaphy's genes right so a crossbreed is created. Also Phione is taller and heavier than Manaphy so this ruins the 'child' theory in my opinion.
Umm, wasn't John Henry born about as big as a full grown adult? I'm asking this because you mentioned that it ruined the child theory, when it can still be theoretically possible to be that size and still be it's child.

Quote:

It does not actually appear in a legend and feebas is also rare, but is it legendary?
Umm, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Mewtwo, and Mew also don't actually appear in legends either, and they are still listed as Legendaries even BY game standards despite that (in fact, i think the legendaries only started actually appearing in legends by the time of G/S/C, which even then, only the legendaries of that Gen got that honor). You do have a point on Feebas, though.

I understand that it's your opinion, I just wanted to point some stuff out. No offense to you, of course.

Commander_Latios February 14th, 2008 8:36 AM

nah, i don't count phione as anything even remotely legendary.

i count it as a normal pokemon, i mean, sure you can't catch it in the wild, but you can't do that with riolu's, either, or starters. or a ot of the pre-evolved and evolved forms of older pokemon (like bonsly and magmortar)

but i have to stop rambilng. phione doesn't qualify as legendary to me, end of chain.

Now, I'm off To Break into The Elder Scrolls Library.

Dunsparce February 14th, 2008 8:50 AM

IMO, Unown, Rotom, and Phione are "Semi-Legendary"

-Unown is obviously not a normal Pokemon, they mabye should even have its own classification. It's Genderless, Cannot Breed nor Evolve, Are exclusive to ancient ruins where no other species can be found, and have mysterious connections to Suicune and Ho-oh (NOT ENTEI. Anime =/= Cannon)

-Rotom has no gender and cannot evolve, but can breed with ditto. If it wasn't a Semi-Legendary, it wouls be the only non-sinnoh dex 4th gen Pokemon that was neither a new Evolution nor a Legendery. Not to mention the same song for the likes of Heatran, Regigigas, Girantina, ect. is played.

-Phione can only be originally obtained by breeding Manaphy, a Legendary. It has no gender and cannot evolve, but, like Rotom, can breed.

These three aren't truley Legendary, but they certainly aren't your average Pokemon.

Minos Yewman February 14th, 2008 9:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunsparce (Post 3334073)
IMO, Unown, Rotom, and Phione are "Semi-Legendary"

-Unown is obviously not a normal Pokemon, they mabye should even have its own classification. It's Genderless, Cannot Breed nor Evolve, Are exclusive to ancient ruins where no other species can be found, and have mysterious connections to Suicune and Ho-oh (NOT ENTEI. Anime =/= Cannon)
They can still not have a connection to Entei even if the movie is true. They simply summoned Entei because the girl wished it.

-Rotom has no gender and cannot evolve, but can breed with ditto. If it wasn't a Semi-Legendary, it wouls be the only non-sinnoh dex 4th gen Pokemon that was neither a new Evolution nor a Legendery. Not to mention the same song for the likes of Heatran, Regigigas, Girantina, ect. is played.
I admit, Rotom is very close to being legendary. However, it breaks both the breeding and the only one per game rule.

-Phione can only be originally obtained by breeding Manaphy, a Legendary. It has no gender and cannot evolve, but, like Rotom, can breed.

These three aren't truley Legendary, but they certainly aren't your average Pokemon.

I think the idea of 'semi-legendary' is a good one. However, I belive the Unown do not qualify for this classification as they can be caught by the dozen in their caves. (Correct me if I'm wrong but I swore they could breed with Ditto) Also they arn't exactly the strongest pokemon in existance.

Gymnotide February 14th, 2008 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3267112)
Phione is considered by some to be a legendary pokemon. However these are the requirements for being classified as 'Legendary'. Pokemon may break 1 and 1 ONLY.
  • Pokemon cannot have a Gender
  • You must only be able to get one of the Pokemon wild per game
  • The Pokemon must not be able to breed
  • Pokemon must not evolve from or into another Pokemon
  • The Pokemon must be near the end of the Pokedex for that generation

Rotom
-- Genderless
-- Only one
-- Unbreedable
-- Does not evolve, has no preevolution
-- #479 is pretty far down the line, sir.

Rotom is hell not Legendary, sorry.

Edit: Whoops, didn't see second page, sorry about that. For the sake of being more
on topic, here's another example:

Metagross
-- Genderless
-- Only one (well, not in D/P)
-- Unbreedable
-- Evolves from Metang
-- Within the last ten of Hoenndex

Using your definition of Legendary, this means that some Pokemon which were "legendary"
previously became non-legendary, since something in that species changes, such as
how you could only catch two Snorlaxes per game, but now you can catch unlimited
Munchlaxes and evolve them.

I don't think you can put a solid definition on "Legendary".

Dunsparce February 14th, 2008 2:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3334089)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I swore they could breed with Ditto

Nope, they can't.

Of the three I mentioned, Unown has the most legendary qualities.

Minos Yewman February 15th, 2008 3:43 AM

Metagross can breed with ditto. I have a Beldum I bred from my Metagross that I am EV training in attack (I don't use EVs much but at the thought of an overpowered Metagross I gave in.)

weedle_mchairybug February 15th, 2008 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minos Yewman (Post 3336305)
Metagross can breed with ditto. I have a Beldum I bred from my Metagross that I am EV training in attack (I don't use EVs much but at the thought of an overpowered Metagross I gave in.)

yes, but it was only in EMERALD where that it was revealed that it COULD breed with Ditto. see, in R/S, apart from cheats or trading with FR/LG, you can't get a Ditto in that game AT ALL, so you can't breed Metagross in that game.

I said until Emerald because that was the ONLY R/S/E game (not counting the Gen I remakes) to have Ditto being a catchable character. usually people don't attempt to trade with other games unless it is their version's counterpart, and since the National Dex was only created when FR/LG came out (In-game I mean, since, technically, the National Dex was first used in guidebooks from Gen II, but you didn't acquire it in-game until FR/LG.).

I think that was what Gymnotide was making his point about in his statement of Metagross being unbreedable, since although it is technically breedable, it was virtually impossible to acquire a ditto before Emerald that it seemed as though it was unbreedable.

Treeckouser February 16th, 2008 7:29 AM

I guess it's not legendarie, but just because you can get many Phiones on the game.

Minos Yewman February 20th, 2008 12:13 PM

Hey, its currently NOT LEGENDARY by 2 votes (so close).

Dave-o-rama February 20th, 2008 12:18 PM

well, you know what? i think phione is a legendary pokemon. If you look in your freaking pokedex, you'll see that all the pokemon near manaphy are legendaries. and phione cant evolve or breed. so, yes, it is a legendary.

Minos Yewman February 20th, 2008 12:20 PM

It has been put near Manaphy because you breed to get it. This is the case with all pokemon except for the GSC pre-eveolutions.


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