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Dark Azelf January 23rd, 2008 8:04 AM

I've been thinking
 
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252 ATT / 152 HP / 104 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Thunderpunch
- Agility
- Earthquake


Agiligross, my phys sweeper.

lol weavile, lol Gyarados and bulky waters.



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252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Bold Nature
- Grass Knot
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed / Thunderwave
- Recover

Not sure about this one, i want t-wave AND leech seed, but meh. Its my Cleric and provides team support with Leech Seed.



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Modest Nature
252 SP.ATT /236 SPEED / 20 HP
- Fire Blast
- Explosion
- hidden power Ice
- Earth power

Scarf Heatran = win and covers alot of my weaknesses.




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252 HP / 108 DEF / 148 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Reflect / Thunderwave
- Charge Beam
- Ice Beam
- Rest



Dual wall extreme, takes all the crap i cant handle and rests off the damage and gets heal belled by Celebi.

I want reflect on here aswell as Thunderwave, i really cant decide, i definately want t-wave on somebody.

Charge Beam takes out Gyarados and Ice Beam hits Salamence and Garchcomp.



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204 HP / 172 SP.DEF / 96 SP.ATT / 36 SPEED
Calm nature
Trait : liquid Ooze
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes / Giga Drain.

Good bye to mixape and my rapid Spinner.




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252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
Impish nature
Trait : Sand veil
- Aeriel Ace / Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Stealth Rock.

Kthnxbai Heracross. I wanted a phazer, but since im using toxic spikes i cant use anything else really as this is the best Hera counter and a great wall, so ill have to forgo a phazer, yeah. Also takes out t-tar and stuff.




Suggestions and rates ?

Jimmyray January 23rd, 2008 9:28 AM

I'm thinking it's a really good team. I'd go with Leech Seed on Celebi, and T-Wave on Cresselia.

Dark Azelf January 23rd, 2008 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyray (Post 3272625)
I'm thinking it's a really good team. I'd go with Leech Seed on Celebi, and T-Wave on Cresselia.

I may do that, it was just that if i set up a Reflect, then it'll soften the blow from Pursuit users, so thats why im sort of unsure.

Anti January 23rd, 2008 3:15 PM

Pursuiters will own Bibi and Cressi, you'll want reflect for sure.

Ársa January 23rd, 2008 4:01 PM

1 Thing. Don't explode with Heatran unless you know your opponent doen't have a Mix-Ape. You aren't totally susceptable, but it can take a sizeable chunk. May I suggest Psychic over Ice Beam on Cress? Takes care of Mix-Ape. ;)

~T_S

Syaoran January 23rd, 2008 11:49 PM

Seems like a really good team!

A few things to worry about:
- No sleep talker. Heal Bell Celebi won't always work but I guess you can manage somehow, seeing how most of your pokemon are quite sturdy.
- Not sure I like Choice Scarf Heatran, as it's very predictable and the opponent can know his item according to the damage when they switch into Blissey.
- Nothing here can fully handle the famous SkarmCressBliss trio. Your only hard physical hitter is Metagross, and as a starter, he probably won't last that long.
- Try Gengar instead of Gliscor. And don't worry about not having a "Hera counter", because with right switch ins you'll do just fine.
- I don't like Toxic Spikes on Tentacruel, it doesn't seem like a stalling team.

Samson January 24th, 2008 12:32 AM

agree on toxic spikes. this team isn't built around stalling and gives you less of a reason to be so concerned for countering heracross.

also, maybe you should give metagross reflect and cresselia twave. believe it or not, but reflect on metagross is really nice. agiligross has really lost its touch since physical walls like donphan, skarm and hippowdon switch in anyway, so while they make their way in, you may as well set up reflect for the rest of the team. besides, if you ever make a bad prediction about something like gyara switching out in fear of tpunch, reflect really gives you some leisure to bring celebi in with little worry for ice fang. also helps tenta do its job a whole lot better not fearing tpunch on nape as much and being able to survive EQs to KO what would normally be a threat. that way, you could drop gliscor for something a bit more productive. having metagross as your only reliable physical attacker is disappointing. i'm thinking something with a ground resist that can subpunch?


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