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Ludicolo can only recover with Lefties and Leech Seed (and Leech Seed is nullified by Liquid Ooze pokemon and grassers, though many you won't be staying in on). I prefer Rain Dish just for the extra healing. I'm kind of a nut when it comes to healing.
Ludicolo's versatility seems to be underrated considering it can sweep or stall. Score one for Ludicolo. Itachi, that pic has the worst photoshop job I've ever seen :0 Also, that sweeper set looks...really nasty. Is in run for your life! Lucky for me, I have a Tentacruel on my team :P |
Hey, don't downplay seed.No one tries to use it on Grasers, of course, and Liquid Ooze is few & far between.
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But Without the Rain Ludicolo it's preatty useless... |
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And remember, while nobody uses it on grassers, they will switch in (especially since many of them can take Ice Beam). |
I prefer Rain Dish myself, Leech Seed + Lefties + Toxic + Rain Dish + Protect = Death :/
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Ludiculo: @ lefties
Rain dish Calm Evs: 138hp, 252 spdef, 120 sp att Toxic/Leech seed Rain dance Grass knot Leech seed/ Surf Stall/ tank wear down and heal. Like there needs no comment. Ludiculo: Choice specs Timid Swift swim Evs: 252 spatt, 252 spd, 6 hp Grass knot focus blast ice beam surf Sp. sweeper yeah. Ludiculo: @life orb Adamant swift swim Evs: 252 att, 252 spd, 6hp. Swords dance Brick break Ice punch Waterfall Novelty set. Set up rain dance and swords dance. Not sure on item though. |
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stall sets stink =/
i just like a bold ludicolo set with ice beam and seismic toss. never disappoints. |
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Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Swift Swim Careful, 204 HP/76 Atk/124 SpD/104 Speed Substitute Leech Seed Focus Punch Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Fake Out/Return/Body Slam/Rain Dance Subpunching Ludicolo no weak. Ludicolo @ Leftovers Swift Swim Calm, 204 HP/76 SpA/124 SpD/104 Speed Synthesis HP Fire Solarbeam/Grass Knot Sunny Day/Seismic Toss/Ice Beam Sunnybeaming Ludicolo! =X Ludicolo @ Salac Berry Swift Swim Jolly, 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 whatever Substitute Swords Dance Flail Focus Punch/Thunderpunch/Ice Punch SubFlailing Ludicolo? Ludicolo @ Choice Specs Swift Swim Modest, 104 Speed/252 SpA/148 HP Grass Knot/Energy Ball Surf/Hydro Pump Ice Beam Focus Blast Ludicolo @ Choice Band Swift Swim Adamant, 148 HP/252 Atk/104 Speed Thunderpunch Ice Punch Waterfall Return/Focus Punch/Drain Punch/Zen Headbutt Generic Choice Sets. |
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Well, the movesets have advantages with choice items.
1. Instant 1.5x attack to start off, giving some immense power quickly and without drawback. 2. Life Orb won't burn your health away, and even then, choice still holds more power. 3. Nothing else gives such an instant boost without setup. 4. If you predict right, you'll score a major blow on their team. |
70 Attack/90 SpA is pretty bad in itself, LO won't cut it for a sweep. Ludi is best used as a bulky pokemon with Leech Seed, and can still outrun stuff in a pinch with Swift Swim, particularly Dragons and other stuff.
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Ludi is absolutely useless with Swift Swim. If Ludi has Swift Swim, its speed is increased, HOWEVER, a smart trainer would try to pick one with Rain Dish because it replenishes HP. I know this is common sense but Aquille seemed to have forgotten about Rain Dish. Besides, Ludi would NEVER last against a well-trained Dragon-type Pokemon.
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Um, no. Swift Swim allows you to outrun any Dragon in rain and with enough Special Attack, will OHKO them all. Rain Dish isn't really all that useful unless on super stalling sets, and even then Swift Swim works better.
Next time refrain from sounding so authoritative on a subject without presenting solid evidence on why it's better. |
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Let us discuss the new target: Empoleon.
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Yayz
[email protected] 252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT Calm Nature - Ice Beam - Surf - Roar - Stealth Rock Special wall 101 Wut is specs mence ? [email protected] Berry 44 HP / 248 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED Modest Nature - Ice Beam - Substitute - Hydro pump / Surf - Agility This set is REALLY nasty, the idea is to Agility on a switch Sub to activate Torrent AND the Petaya Berry and own EVERYTHING. By everything, i mean everything, with this set you can 2hko Bliss with Hydro pump. Surf is if you want accuracy. This is why you want S-Toss on Blissey unlike on smogons analysis xp |
i use the first set (bold natured). i just want to say one thing: it's not a special wall. it's a tank. don't get the kids all hopped up on excitement yet.
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Empoleon:@ life orb/ lefties
Adamant 252 hp, 252 att, 6 spd Earthquake Aqua jet swords dance shadow claw Swords dance, sweep. Shadow claw is for dusky and cressy. Drill peck is a no since empoleon does not have any buisness on fighters in Ou. However, in Bl, drill peck is better because of torterra and gastrodon. Empoleon: @lefties Calm 252 hp, 220 spdef, 58 spatt. Surf Hp [electric]/ Grass knot Rest Sleep talk |
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[email protected] Specs
Modest Nature EVs: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP -Surf/Hydro Pump -Ice Beam -Grass Knot -Hidden Power Electric Meh this set I used in Battle Tower... worked well with some Wish support. All standard moves except HP Electric, which is pretty much for opposing Empoleon and Gyarados/Mantine |
I think Empoleon is awesome as it is a penguin. I use:
[email protected] Timid 252spd,252sp.atk Ice Beam Hydro Pump Focus Blast Roost |
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Empoleon doesnt get Roost or Focus Blast for that matter =/ |
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