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luke January 24th, 2008 8:44 AM

Any interesting stories involving a battle with Golem? Or how it compares to other Pokemon similar to it.

sims796 January 24th, 2008 8:52 AM

Me first, Me first!

Before I started to EV train--no, while EV training--I had a Golem with a great moveset. Unknown IV's, since that one wasn't EV trained.

I had it as a starter. It used Stealth Rock up front, then if I'm up against a poke I just don't like, I Explode.

In a match against Smarties, He had Meta vs Golem. It was able to survive Meteor Mash to counter with EQ, doing major damage, or just KOing it, I don't remember. Then, in another match (or the same match, if Meta survived), Meta missed it's Meteor Mash, then got KO'ed by an EQ. Beautiful. Many people thought that Golem should be a staple to my team.

luke January 24th, 2008 12:40 PM

Golem has saved me against Blissey before with a nicely placed Explosion. My opponent forgot I had Rock Polish'd once, so I out sped it's Seismic Toss or Ice Beam (I'm guessing that's what it was using) and blew it up, scoring me a win. They were both of our last Pokemon by the way.

LethalTexture January 24th, 2008 1:10 PM

Since I've never tried using Golem competitively, my most memorable battle with a Golem was when it used Fly after a Metronome way back in the original stadium. :/

sims796 January 24th, 2008 1:18 PM

I remember Stadium! I kept getting Flamethrower.

luke January 24th, 2008 1:22 PM

Just to let everyone know, I have the basic skeleton of Golem's page up. It's nothing special, but it will allow for a summary for each Pokemon in a nice, organized manner. ^^

shedinjask January 24th, 2008 1:35 PM

Swampert, Rhyperior, and many bulky waters/grounds/ghosts/quakeslide resists can counter it effectively. Watch out for Natural Gift though.

boo836 January 24th, 2008 1:40 PM

Golem: @ lefties
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 att, 204 def, 52 hp
Stone edge
earthquake
Substitute/ Fire punch
Focus punch/ sandstorm


Yeah, it can be deadly with + spdef boost from sandstorm. Or maybe you could go with fire punch for skarm and forry, or you could sub punch.

luke January 24th, 2008 5:58 PM

Looks good. Working on an HTML site at the moment. Don't like googlepages.

Faceless* January 24th, 2008 6:18 PM

I battled a friend's Golem and I apparently, at that time, was a bit inexperienced, I didn't even know what the purpose for Golem was o_o Now, you never attack it physically with moves like Dragon Claw.. That thing obliterated my Forretress in a zap with Fire Punch, my Physical Wall with Gyro Ball didn't do much either, only to be killed by 2 Fire Punches. The Golem Exploded in my Blissey's face V_V

Eos Aduro January 24th, 2008 7:16 PM

I remembers sims Golem, pretty strong lead. Then his Noctowl+Gyarados got my whole stupid team -_-. Golem I;ve used a lot over non-competitive play, and I can say this one thing about it. this is a ridiculous and yet amusing set.

Golem-Leftovers
Impish-252 HP, 152 Attack, 104 Def
Substitute
Defense Curl
Roll Out
Earthquake

So yeah Defense Curl doubles Roll Outs power, and with a STAB it actually gets pretty powerful, even if its totally ridiculous if something switches in, its a newb novelty set, but with a Ninjask speed boosts, I've actually done a little damage when it was on a Shoddy team I made up when i was bored.

luke January 24th, 2008 8:02 PM

Oh Rollout. Might be good to pair that with Block. They can't run from the powerful move.

Eos Aduro January 24th, 2008 8:04 PM

Ooh good idea, never thought of that, it could be like more defense and make it a physical wall, trap a Poke thats easily beaten by rock moves, defense curl, and Roll Out Away!

Samson January 25th, 2008 1:57 AM

CB Golem paired with a status inducer is awesome.

Archer January 25th, 2008 2:07 AM

One good thing about Golem is the Selection of great moves through LV up that usually need TMs.
It could be a bit more gutsy with Sandstorm support. Oops missed that before...
With the Block/DefCurl/Rollout sets, block may not actually be neccesary considering, with a STAB, potential Atk of 350 and the DefCurl Boost, It even does a number on max HP/Def Skarmory.
3rd Atk - 240 Power - 65% - 77%
4th Atk - 480 Power - OHKO

Imagine seeing your Physical Wall getting One Hitted by a Neutral UUs Attack.

Anti January 25th, 2008 8:29 AM

That's why I hate Skarm-Rock Attacks murder it.

Block is funner with Explosion. Block the incoming counter, have a focus sash to take the hit, and ram it with a BOOM. Though that's quite a bit novelty.

More fun is block with counter, where the strongest physical attack will get hammered back...then you can BOOM something to finish off.

Eh, just some weirdo novelty ideas that probably wouldn't work. Tangrowth runs Block better anyways, so yeah.

luke January 25th, 2008 9:22 AM

Golem

The new page. Pretty simplistic. Also let's me practice my HTML skills.

Anti January 25th, 2008 9:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3277608)
Golem

The new page. Pretty simplistic. Also let me practice my HTML skills.

I can help with HTML considering I've been working on HTML projects for a year or two now ;)

Also, on the subpunch set, no real need for fire punch since a supereffective F-punch will do what a normal foucs punch will do to Skarm. Unless you fear Forry, but it isn't that common really

luke January 25th, 2008 9:37 AM

Well, that set is actually two combined into one. Substitute / Focus Punch and Sandstorm / Fire Punch go together I believe. Expect a new Pokemon today.

I'm also altering a few rules and adding another one:

There will be a set format everyone will have to submit their move sets in:

[Pokemon] @ [Item]
Ability: [Name]
EVs: [EV Spread Here]
[Name] Nature

- Move 1
- Move 2
- Move 3
- Move 4

Explanation:

-----

It will make my life easier when building the site.


A NEW CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED!

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/hariyama.png

Name: Hariyama
Classification: Arm Thrust Pokemon
Typing: Fighting
Height / Weight: 7'07" / 559.5 lbs.
Tier: Borderline (BL)
Ability: Thick Fat / Guts

Stats-
HP- 144
Attack- 120
Defense- 60
Special Attack- 40
Special Defense- 60
Speed- 50

Diamond / Pearl PokeDex Entry- It loves match power with big-bodied Pokemon. It can knock a truck flying with its arm thrusts.

Image courtesy of Arkeis.

Dark Azelf January 25th, 2008 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loquacity (Post 3277629)
Well, that set is actually two combined into one. Substitute / Focus Punch and Sandstorm / Fire Punch go together I believe. Expect a new Pokemon today.

I'm also altering a few rules and adding another one:

There will be a set format everyone will have to submit their move sets in:

[Pokemon] @ [Item]
Ability: [Name]
EVs: [EV Spread Here]
[Name] Nature

- Move 1
- Move 2
- Move 3
- Move 4

Explanation:

-----

It will make my life easier when building the site.


A NEW CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED!

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/hariyama.png

Name: Hariyama
Classification: Arm Thrust Pokemon
Typing: Fighting
Height / Weight: 7'07" / 559.5 lbs.
Tier: Borderline (BL)
Ability: Thick Fat / Guts

Stats-
HP- 144
Attack- 120
Defense- 60
Special Attack- 40
Special Defense- 60
Speed- 50

Diamond / Pearl PokeDex Entry- It loves match power with big-bodied Pokemon. It can knock a truck flying with its arm thrusts.

Image courtesy of Arkeis.


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76 HP / 252 Atk / 180 Def
Trait : Thick fat / Guts
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Focus punch
- Stone Edge
- Payback


I love this set, Focus Punch packs so much power coming from this. Payback deals with ghosts and stone edge covers salamence and gyarados etc.

Guts is a viable alternative if your willing to trade Ice and Fire resists for status absorbing.

Angelic Diablo January 25th, 2008 11:31 AM

[email protected] Band
EVs: 152 HP, 212 Atk, 116 Def
Guts
-Fake Out/Bullet Punch
-Close Combat/Cross Chop/Focus Punch
-Stone Edge
-Payback/Faint Attack

To make up for Hariyama's lack of speed, priority moves help it gain that quick kill, or at least take the opponent by surprise. Close Combat and Cross Chop offer a powerful STAB, but a CBed Focus Punch on the incoming counters sure hurt alot. Stone Edge for the flyers and Payback/Faint Attack for the ghosties

Guts over Thick Fat since this will be switching alot, and sometimes into incoming WoW or Thunderwaves

luke January 25th, 2008 11:33 AM

lulz Makuhita. We all know you meant Hariyama. I know there was a Belly Drum set that worked quite well when I used it. Just can't think of it...

Samson January 25th, 2008 1:22 PM

i don't there is ever going to be a clearly defined set for hariyama. it can really work its way into most teams and perform a specific duty with its movepool, abilities and typing.

Faceless* January 25th, 2008 1:32 PM

Hariyama@Leftovers
EV's : 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 DEF or SDEF
Nature : Adamant
Ability : Thick Fat
Moves :
- Close Combat/Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge

Works best with Reflect/Light Screen support. Hariyama is one of the best Pokemon to switch on Stealth Rock, set up Substitute on the opponent's switch, Knock Off it's valuable item or attempt to OHKO with a move. Since it isn't able to learn Taunt, it loses a lot, Knock Off works in place of Taunt for the Skarmory/Gliscor that simply can't lose their Leftovers. Do NOT attempt to use Knock Off on Ghosts just because Close Combat isn't able to hit the Ghosts, Stone Edge has 20+ more power on the Ghost-Type Pokemon.

Hariyama@Flame Orb/Toxic Orb
EV's : 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 SPD
Nature : Adamant
Ability : Guts
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Bullet Punch
- Protect/Payback/Stone Edge

Switches in Toxic Spikes, delivers a boosted Fake Out, or Protect with your selected Orb for the Boost on Guts ability. Simply Fake Out after activating Guts and switch in on the correct time and open with Fake Out and strike with Bullet Punch. Close Combat is to destroy switch in's or Pokemon slower than itself. (which is rare)

boo836 January 25th, 2008 4:03 PM

Hariama: @ toxic orb/ focus sash
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 84 hp, 252 att, 84 def, 84 spdef/ 252 att, 252 spd
Trait: Guts
Fake out
Faint attack/ Bullet punch
Close combat
Stone edge

Depending on what you want, there are changes. Bullet punch with focus sash and will want second ev spread too.

Or;

Hariama: @ Toxic orb
Nature: Adamant
Trait: Guts
Evs: 84 hp, 252 att, 84 def, 84 spdef
Ice punch
Thunder punch
Fake out
Close combat/ Brick break

Yeah, t-punch harms gyrados leads, brick break takes out cressy's reflect. Some how, we could use a set using whirlwind.


new choice specs haryama!

************* NOTE: This, like loquacity's gimmick set is not really good. It is horrible in competitive play. YOU WERE WARNED!***************

haryama: @ Choice specs
Nature:Quiet
Trait:Thick fat
Evs: 252 spatt, 252 hp, 6 def
Focus blast
Brine/ Surf
HP [dark]
hyperbeam


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