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^ Burn Orb is better on Yama since it stays in.
And screw you guys putting 252 HP on something with 144/60/60 defenses. Hariyama @ Leftovers EVs: 252 Def/252 SDef/4 HP Ability: Thick Fat/Guts Impish Nature Counter Whirlwind Knock Off Payback Counter is an good option. Knock Off can be annoying, as can Whirlwind. Payback hits the Ghosties but most will suffer from simply losing their item. Dusknoir/Spiritomb/Missy really like their Lefties, Gengar is much less of a threat without Life Orb/Specs/Scarf/Wide Lens, Rotom loses its Tricking power, and it even one-shots Focus Sash Sheddy. I think. It works that way on Shoddy at least. This thing would be so great with Slack Off. |
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Adamant~252 Attack/252 HP/6 Speed Trait:Guts Facade Close Combat Bullet Punch Fake Out Fake out first turn as long as you aren't against a ghost, which ensures you activating your Orb, then kill stuff ._. Bullet punch is for Sashers, or if your team has spikes support, you can use it to finish off weakened stuff. Works quite well when in the right hands IMO. |
So it doesn't get Taunt.
._. Hariyama has better moves than Facade. |
Um, Facade gets 140 power after the Move boost, plus a boost from Guts.
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and read the descriptions on my set Shedinjask, and distributing Defense and Special Defense will actually help.. in what way? Boost it's best stats to have a neat advantage of surviving, boosting it's worst stats will hinder especially if it's the defense/special defense. (not attack since you're running a strange Hariyama ?_?) |
Actually, it gets around 210 after the boosts. Just not STAB.
70x2 for Facade boost, and 140x1.5 for Guts Boost. |
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If that was true, then Close Combat would STILL be better |
I never said Close Combat wasn't better ._.
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-Close Combat -Bulk Up -Earthquake -Stone Edge/Rest 216 atk/146 def/146 hp Adamant |
Before I give my two cents, I thougt it was an update every Wednsday?
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You boost Yama's defenses for the same reason you boost Wobby's. Or Vappy's Def. Or Snorlax's Def. Or how if you are putting any EVs into Bliss's SAttk you should take them out of HP. Normally, you would max HP before defenses. This is not the case with high HP/low defensive stat Pokemon.
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HP improves all 3 if you think about it. A higher HP, the more it can be hit. Even if you increase the defenses, they won't be increased as greatly as HP, therefore you would be taking away from Hariyama's overall ability to absorb hits.
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High HP means little without good defenses. Why do you think standard Wobby is 252/252 Def/SDef? It has great HP and bad defenses.
If I could find that applet that was made I'd show you that. EDIT: Stupid Smogon not having a working search function. Anyways, a Hariyama with max HP and no SDef took a little more damage from Specs Starmie Surf, among other things, than one with just 128 SDef, meaning 252 Attk/128 Def/128 SDef Adamant is a better spread than 252 HP/252 Attk/4 ?? Adamant. |
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Cressy can wall and throw a reflect and psychic at him. Poisons can resist if yama does not have eq Mesprit and uxie fare well agong with azelf at an extent. Deoxes-S Does a number if it has psychic. Dusknoir needs to be wary of guts because of thunder punch or WOW. Spiritomb is not effected by stab'd Close combats and cross chops. And teases with stab'd sucker punches. Any psychic sweeper with psychic is a good counter. Gliscor resists stab CC but needs to be wary of the occasional ice punch. |
How would poisons wall him? As long as he's carrying Facade that is. ;)
Gengar is a big wall for him. Dual Poison and Ghost, so Bullet Punch hardly hurts Gar, and nothing else he has effects Gengar. |
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The only one that comes to my mind is Dorapion, which dies pretty easily from Close Combat after the Guts boost.
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Muk too. Along with the nidos and weezing.
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Well, Nidoking isn't really a wall, and Nidoqueen would die to Facade. Weezing is probably all you would have to worry about, unless the Muk had gotten in some Curses.
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Nidos wall Hariyama. He has Payback for Ghosts btw. Facade is a really bad option on him, epscially if it's only to beat the Nidos. And it is. |
Um, no, it isn't.....
I use a Hariyama, and believe me, Facade gets used against a lot of Pokemon, epecially when I want to avoid a Defense/Sp Def drop. |
Facade is there for a lot of pokemon. Maybe Specsmence could ring a bell? It resists CC, but not Facade as much. I'm not saying OHKO, but it's close. Stone Edge is there for the situation too, but Facade's still safer, and Bullet Punch to remove the last bit of HP if it remains in.
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Yeah, pretty much negates FSs too.
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