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sims796 February 19th, 2008 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueberry (Post 3351970)
New subject yo:

LUCARIO!

Did you get this from the thread I made an hour or so ago? Can you at least post the set I made? I still need help on that.

luke February 19th, 2008 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3351664)
Damn you, Brawl! got me in the mood to play Lucario! I blame the society, and hippies from the 60's.

Spoiler:
"Oh, I hate the government,
more then you and me.
The government stole my goldfish,
then unplugged my TV."


Well, I like the mixed variant best, so I'll use that.

[email protected]???--Choice Scarf? I dunno
Nature:Naive/Naughty
Aura Sphere
Stone Edge
Blaze Kick/Extremespeed/Psychic----just kidding
Dragon Pulse
EV:???

I like Blaze Kick, but Extremespeed has priority. I think I noticed that most sweepers weak to fighting also has low[er] SP.DEF. Besides, since this was inspired by that bastard Brawl, I'll run Aura Sphere.

Now, some people may say Band is better. I don't care. I asked for mixed, so above all else, give me mixed.

Now, of course, feel free to give me Band, Scarf, whatever. But give me what I asked for first. Also, refrain from using "lol" as much as possible. That's litterally insulting a person's intellegence when you do that. Stupid is also insulting, to a point.

If you don't, your no better than those hippies from the 6ties.

Yes, I got the idea from you. I decided to use a Pokemon a lot of people would use and thus, more discussion would occur.

sims796 February 19th, 2008 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueberry (Post 3352282)
Yes, I got the idea from you. I decided to use a Pokemon a lot of people would use and thus, more discussion would occur.

Thank you. This makes more sense than just one asking for one poke set.

Anti February 19th, 2008 6:43 PM

Okay so Dark_Azelf is going to come in here and post SD Lucario so let's let him because he does it with style. seriously.

Actually I have a funny experience fighting a Lucario. It was a Raikou rip-off (only no sandstorm weak, more resistances...oh no) with Calm Mind and it murdered me. It was awful :( Actually that's where I got my inspiration for APvire (no I'm not telling!)

Also SpecsLuke is just cool. Still ghost/Blissey beat it every time :(

Panicz February 19th, 2008 7:06 PM

A Lucario I used that worked amazingly for me was the following:

Lucario @ Focus Sash
Inner Focus
EVs: 92 HP / 252 SAtk / 164 Spd
Modest Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Shadow Ball
- Vacuum Wave
- Hidden Power Ice

Keep in mind this guy is almost always the recepiant of one or two Nasty Plots and an Agility from a Baton Pass(the Focus Sash allows him to take what would normally be a fatal attack upon switching in). Otherwise, attach a Choice Scarf/Choice Specs to him to maximize his Special Sweeping prowess.

-Aura Sphere is the generic, never misses special attack move with the Fighting STAB bonus. 90 Damage + x2 Nasty Plots kills virtually anything that doesn't resist it.

-Shadow Ball is rape to any incoming Ghosts hoping to negate the fighting moves, and kills Psychics with ease. Cresselia, Gengar, and Uxie are all dead to this. Once again, x2 or 1 Nasty Plot is enough.

-Vacuum Wave is there for priority, as it will outspeed any other priority attacker preventing them from killing Lucario off (with an Agility, mind you). Even without the Nasty Plot boost, it takes care of Weavile in one hit.

- Lastly, HP Ice is for Dragons or Flying types that think they can come in and absorb Lucario's attacks. After even just one Nasty Plot, this kills everything weak to it.

Basically, this thing is unstoppable once the Batons are Passed.

I personally use a defensive Ambipom to do my bidding. Baton Pass, Agility, Nasty Plot, Fake Out. Easy as pie.

flamehaze94 February 19th, 2008 7:53 PM

Lucario @ Life Orb
Trait: Steadfast
EVs: 80Atk / 232SpAtk / 196Spd
Mild nature(+SpAtk, -Def)
- Close Combat
- HP [Ice]
- Shadow Ball
- Vacuum Wave


Just a version of MixLuke that I use

Angelic Diablo February 20th, 2008 12:40 AM

[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Modest Nature
EVs: 170 HP, 156 SpAtk, 184 Spd
-Calm Mind
-Aura Sphere
-Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
-Roar

My all new revised CMCario. Roar with his speed, outspeeds the other roars so he doesn't get PHazed. Aura Sphere hits everything except the Ghosts and Psychics, but they are taken care of with Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse

Ooka February 20th, 2008 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 3352859)
[email protected] Orb/Leftovers
Mild/Rash Nature
EVs: 170 HP, 44 Atk, 112 SpAtk, 184 Spd
-Calm Mind
-Aura Sphere
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Punch

CMCario, Focus Punch helps with the predicted Special Wall switch ins (especially Blissey). Works best with Wish support as Lucario has no means of recovery barring rest.

Well, with Aura Sphere, doesn't it do almost the same after 1 Calm Mind as Focus Punch does with the given EV investment?

Angelic Diablo February 20th, 2008 1:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ooka (Post 3352862)
Well, with Aura Sphere, doesn't it do almost the same after 1 Calm Mind as Focus Punch does with the given EV investment?

You know I've never really though about that, maybe its time to hit up the old damage calculator and see if I can make him pure special

EDIT: And here is what Lucario can do to a Blissey that is run with 252 HP, 252 Def

Aura Sphere after 1 CM
Damage: 403 - 475
Damage: 56.44% - 66.53%

Focus Punch
Damage: 944 - 1110
Damage: 132.21% - 155.46%

Hmm so a 2HKO with Aura Sphere, hmm maybe something else for the last slot and a change of EVs in order....

Blargtastic808 February 20th, 2008 1:33 AM

I've been messing with an agility sweeper Lucario mainly because it's speed is rather poor compared to other pokemon.

Ability: Steadfast (or whatever the speed increase when flinching one is)
Nature: Adamant / Modest
Item: Life Orb / Focus Sash
HP: 4 ATK/SP ATK: 252 SPD: 252
Physical Moveset
Close Combat
Crunch
Stone Edge (could also be substituted for EQ since it's just an awesome move)
Agility

Special Moveset
Aura Sphere
Dragon Pulse (unless you can get HP Ice)
Dark Pulse (I guess this could be substituted for Shadow Ball if you'd rather the chance of lowering Sp Def)
Agility

Same EV spread as most fast(ish) sweepers. They work okay for me but are rather overshadowed by the offensive stat boost sets and choice banders/specs.

I guess a reversal set could work for him, since he has resistance to sandstorm. I've never tried a reversal set (for any pokemon actually) so I'm not sure how well it'd work with Lucario.

Dark Azelf February 20th, 2008 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3352299)
Okay so Dark_Azelf is going to come in here and post SD Lucario so let's let him because he does it with style. seriously.

Actually I have a funny experience fighting a Lucario. It was a Raikou rip-off (only no sandstorm weak, more resistances...oh no) with Calm Mind and it murdered me. It was awful :( Actually that's where I got my inspiration for APvire (no I'm not telling!)

Also SpecsLuke is just cool. Still ghost/Blissey beat it every time :(

hehe

Lucario is such a beast, at first it seemed like a "Noob magnet" (Due to the pokemon movie lol) but after using it, it is insanely powerful.

[email protected] Orb
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Adamant Nature
Trait : Stead Fast
~ Close Combat
~ Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
~ Swords Dance
~ Crunch / Bullet Punch / Stone Edge

This is one nasty set and is awesome with SR and spikes support.

Extremespeed decimates frail and fast pokemon like Azelf, Infernape, Dugtrio, Weavile, Jolteon etc, finishing them in one hit before they can touch you (Even without SR and Spikes support.) . Bullet Punch ohkos and rapes Aerodactyl and gengar/Mismagius if the latter two take residual damage before hand and if they run 4hp evs or less..

Crunch breaks Cresselia and Dusknoir aswell as celebi, Uxie etc. Stone Edge OHkos bulky Gyarados after a swords dance, EVEN after an intimidate, aswell as ending salamence should it switch in.


Close Combat is what makes this set deadly.

Damage Calculations

Close Combat vs Max HP/Def Skarmory 85.03% - 100.30%
Close Combat vs Max HP/Def Bronzong: 96.15% - 113.02%
Close Combat vs Max HP/Def Hippowdon: 76.43% - 90.00%
Close Combat vs Max HP/Def Forretress: 80.23% - 94.63%
Close Combat vs Max HP/Def Donphan: 82.81% - 97.40%

With Stealth Rock and/or some spikes up these "So called" physical walls who are 2hko'd, get Ohko'd after a Swords Danced Close Combat.

Cons : Gliscor and Weezing lol






No one posted Specs Luke either =o ?


[email protected] Specs
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Modest Nature
Trait : Steadfast
- Aura Sphere
- Vacuum Wave
- Dragon pulse / Hidden power Ice
- Dark pulse / Shadow Ball

Aura Sphere can 2HKO Blissey if she ever gets any bright ideas about switching in.

Vacuum Wave picks of weak pokemon such as weavile and nearly ohkos Tyranitar too o_0

Dragon Pulse or Hidden Power Ice crushes Salamence and Garchomp—use Hidden Power Ice to destroy Gliscor and get more super-effective coverage, or use Dragon Pulse for an extra 20 base power and more neutrality

Use Dark Pulse if you like flinch and Normal coverage or Shadow Ball for hitting Heracross harder..

Problems with this set is that Gyarados can switch in rather easily, but meh, its still deadly.

Syaoran February 20th, 2008 3:02 AM

I like [and have been using] the SD Lucario set, although I gave it Lum berry instead of Life Orb. Lucario can still take at least 1 non SE hit, so Life Orb seems it would only take away for his ability to switch in easier. Lum berry keeps him safe from status, giving him one more turn to stat up.

Angelic Diablo February 20th, 2008 3:14 AM

revised my set... basically its Roar over Focus Punch with the Attack EVs in special attack... probably should've tried my Lucario out first but oh well

El Gofre February 20th, 2008 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Panicz (Post 3352369)
A Lucario I used that worked amazingly for me was the following:

Lucario @ Focus Sash
Inner Focus
EVs: 92 HP / 252 SAtk / 164 Spd
Modest Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Shadow Ball
- Vacuum Wave
- Hidden Power Ice

Focus Sash+HP evs=nonono IMO. if you wanna activate sash, you dont want it to survive an attack, which neutralises it. Besides, as far as sweepers go lucario is quite bulky, with base 70 in both defences.

Anyhoo, my special set:

[email protected] orb
Hasty/Naive
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Aura Sphere/Psychic
Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Dragon Pulse
Close Combat

Most of the set is self explanitory. Close combat deals with blissey and other special walls, because STAB and base 115 att is enough to put a large dent in them even without EVs in attack. Psychic if you have issues with two moves of the same type on one poke (Even though they serve differnt purposes)

Samson February 20th, 2008 8:02 AM

i used a mixed life orb lucario. nothing special. it just makes me very sad when lucario doesn't get much of a kill XD

Ooka February 20th, 2008 11:20 AM

I've been looking at it, and this is what I came up with:

[email protected] Sash/Leftovers
Lonely~252 Attack/252 Special Attack/6 HP
Agility
Aura Sphere/HP Electric/HP Fire/Dragon Pulse/HP Ice/Vacuum Wave
Close Combat
Crunch

After 1 Agility Lucario achieves 432 Speed without a beneficial nature and no EV investment. You can run Close Combat to make Light work of Blissey, Crunch takes care of what Close Combat doesn't hit, then you choose your last move.
Aura Sphere for extra STAB, HP Electric can hit Skarmory and Bulkydos, but Foretress can probably live a couple of those, HP Fire is for Foretress and Skarmory, but BulkyDos gives you trouble, DragonPulse is for Dragons, obviously, or you can go for HP Ice and have cover over dragons + Grass types. Vacuum wave is for outrunning Aerodactyl.

Anti February 20th, 2008 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3353274)
i used a mixed life orb lucario. nothing special. it just makes me very sad when lucario doesn't get much of a kill XD

I agree with that a lot.

Honestly I can't believe I used to recommend it. It only makes walling you all the more easier.

SpecsLuke was my favorite but Dark_Azelf will kill me for that so I didn't say anything...

Dark Azelf February 20th, 2008 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3354009)
I agree with that a lot.

Honestly I can't believe I used to recommend it. It only makes walling you all the more easier.

SpecsLuke was my favorite but Dark_Azelf will kill me for that so I didn't say anything...

I gave the set for Specs luke aswell in my previous post, i like all sets for Lucario as they are beastly therefore i wouldnt be annoyed lol

Panicz February 20th, 2008 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gofre (Post 3353237)
Focus Sash+HP evs=nonono IMO. if you wanna activate sash, you dont want it to survive an attack, which neutralises it. Besides, as far as sweepers go lucario is quite bulky, with base 70 in both defences.

Focus Sash is merely a safety net. I don't WANT to activate it, but if it has to it'll spare me the loss should Lucario get killed OHKO. The extra HP EVs are just to increase survivability; I could have easily put them into Defense or Special Defense.

Also, Focus Sash wouldn't even be there if it wasn't a BP Receiver. I did mention it could be alternatively a Choice Specs/Scarf Lucario.

sims796 February 20th, 2008 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panicz (Post 3354090)
Focus Sash is merely a safety net. I don't WANT to activate it, but if it has to it'll spare me the loss should Lucario get killed OHKO. The extra HP EVs are just to increase survivability; I could have easily put them into Defense or Special Defense.

Also, Focus Sash wouldn't even be there if it wasn't a BP Receiver. I did mention it could be alternatively a Choice Specs/Scarf Lucario.

Don't waste time with that "safety net". Either go all out, or stop wasting time. HP EV's are a waste of time, as Focus Sash are for pokes who need it. Like me giving Sash to Torterra, to help him survive Ice Beam.

Giving HP EV's to a Focus Sash user it like taking the last flu vaccine from a person who really needs it. Sure your safe from a virus you MAY get, but it doesn't help those who needs it.

Panicz February 20th, 2008 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 3354111)
Don't waste time with that "safety net". Either go all out, or stop wasting time. HP EV's are a waste of time, as Focus Sash are for pokes who need it. Like me giving Sash to Torterra, to help him survive Ice Beam.

Giving HP EV's to a Focus Sash user it like taking the last flu vaccine from a person who really needs it. Sure your safe from a virus you MAY get, but it doesn't help those who needs it.

I'm pretty sure this thread is used to post the spreads that have most benefited oneself. This has benefited me. I don't care about your conventional uses for a Focus Sash or how much Torterra needs one.

Without the Focus Sash, the Lucario I have used to sweep countless teams was decimated by incoming Flamethowers, Earthquakes, and Close Combats (considering Ambipom, it's BPer is weak against Close Combat, it was a common one).

I tried Leftovers, and I'm not a personal fan of Choice items. So this set has given me the most success and it is this set I share with the PokeCommunity.

sims796 February 20th, 2008 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panicz (Post 3354126)
I'm pretty sure this thread is used to post the spreads that have most benefited oneself. This has benefited me. I don't care about your conventional uses for a Focus Sash or how much Torterra needs one.No, it's about disscusing the best options. Maybe you should reread what I wrote, and stop taking it personally. I said Sash is a bad item on a poke like Torterra, since it's defensive, the same way HP E's & Focus Sash is foolish.

Without the Focus Sash, the Lucario I have used to sweep countless teams was decimated by incoming Flamethowers, Earthquakes, and Close Combats (considering Ambipom, it's BPer is weak against Close Combat, it was a common one).That's fine, but the HP EV's are a MASSIVE waste.

I tried Leftovers, and I'm not a personal fan of Choice items. So this set has given me the most success and it is this set I share with the PokeCommunity.

As said, reread what I have posted, & stop taking it personally. This is about discussing all viable options, so if someone were to look here, they'ed know his options.

Anti February 20th, 2008 2:08 PM

Actually Sash kinda sucks on Torterra since it has no business staying in on Ice Attackers and Yache Berry will be a much bigger help with those IMO.

Also focus sash IS a bad item and SR ruins it 100% of the time and hail and spikes will also drown Lucario. Safety nets are wastes in most cases anyways.

sims796 February 20th, 2008 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop (Post 3354166)
Actually Sash kinda sucks on Torterra since it has no business staying in on Ice Attackers and Yache Berry will be a much bigger help with those IMO.

Also focus sash IS a bad item and SR ruins it 100% of the time and hail and spikes will also drown Lucario. Safety nets are wastes in most cases anyways.

Will you two read my post? I said using Focus Sash on Torterra is just as bad as giving HP EV's to a Focus Sash user. Since Torterra is defensive, Focus Sash is a waste, just as giving "survivability" to a Sash user makes no sense.

Anti February 20th, 2008 2:14 PM

I could have sworn I saw it the other way around :0 Actually I saw it like you said the first time and the second time I misread it :0

But yeah.

Also Luke is a beast with CM if played correctly T_T


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