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PhoenixFlare January 23rd, 2008 4:45 PM

It's a pokemon team
 
[email protected] Choice Band
Adamant
252spd/ 252atk/ 6hp
-Extremespeed
-Flare Blitz
-Crunch
-Thunder Fang

Self destructive I know but Wish passes help it stay alive.
Is Deoxys-S E or F on Metakids Calculator because if it's F then It's a OHKO with Extremespeed.

Vaporeon @ leftovers
Water Absorb
Bold
252hp/ 216def/ 40spdef
-Wish
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Haze


Wish Passer and Hazer.

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Modest
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
-Explosion
-Fire Blast
-Hidden Power Ice
-Earth Power



Bronzong @ leftovers
Relaxed
Levitate
252hp/ 152spdef/ 104def
-Hypnosis
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock


[email protected] Leftovers
Bold
Natural Cure
212hp/ 252def/ 44spatk
-Ice Beam
-Seismic Toss
-Aromatherapy
-Softboiled


[email protected] leftovers
Timid
252spd/ 96spatk/ 96spdef/ 64hp
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Substitute

Rate it please.

Thebiggamer January 23rd, 2008 7:11 PM

I like it for the soul fact there isn't a blissey or garchomp to be found 8). It looks like a team I would use but for the miltank, lately I've been trying to make a good one for competitive battles and this is the set I planned on

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Milk drink
toxic
curse
Healbell/earthquake

whoops hit enter too early, anyway that set I listed has a big Skarmory weakness so its risky

Samson January 24th, 2008 12:52 AM

deoxys-e is the new OU addition. it wouldn't OHKO it, unfortunately. you may as well give this guy CB if you want it to do some real damage.

i'd give gardevor reflect instead of willowisp. your team will definitely benefit from it and it's a lot safer than using WoW this gen. besides, heatran can take care of offensive deoxys-e's quite easily.

your miltank is poop =/ curse is a no. i don't know why people insist on it ._. give it scrappy nature and seismic toss + twave/body slam. your last options can be focus punch/heal bell and definitely milk drink. focus punch is just an option for predicting blissey switch ins. also helps against stupid spiritomb switch ins.

raikou is no good without timid nature. either you keep modest and replace leftovers for speed berry (forgot the name), or go timid.

your team really has issues with dragons. miltank isn't the best physical wall and raikou is very threatened by them even with hp ice.

PhoenixFlare January 24th, 2008 3:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3274731)
deoxys-e is the new OU addition. it wouldn't OHKO it, unfortunately. you may as well give this guy CB if you want it to do some real damage.

i'd give gardevor reflect instead of willowisp. your team will definitely benefit from it and it's a lot safer than using WoW this gen. besides, heatran can take care of offensive deoxys-e's quite easily.

your miltank is poop =/ curse is a no. i don't know why people insist on it ._. give it scrappy nature and seismic toss + twave/body slam. your last options can be focus punch/heal bell and definitely milk drink. focus punch is just an option for predicting blissey switch ins. also helps against stupid spiritomb switch ins.

raikou is no good without timid nature. either you keep modest and replace leftovers for speed berry (forgot the name), or go timid.

your team really has issues with dragons. miltank isn't the best physical wall and raikou is very threatened by them even with hp ice.

Lol Scrappy is not a nature it's an ability.

Heatran takes care of dragons though.

How about I replace Miltank with Bronzong then?

luke January 24th, 2008 8:25 AM

Heatran DOESN'T take care of Scarfchomp, who outspeeds Scarftran and OHKOs it with Earthquake. So don't lol at someone who has more experience than you before you check all your facts.

shedinjask January 24th, 2008 1:39 PM

Why would you even for a second think we are testing Deoxys-F in OU?

Bronzong over Miltank is fine. Poliwrath's SDef EVs should be in Spd.

Dark Azelf January 24th, 2008 1:53 PM

Why is Dark pulse and Lava Plume on heatran ?


Fire blast and Earth power NOAW !!!

A better question is why are they even considered as options, scarf Heatran is hit and run, lava Plume (Which is only really an option on bulky heatran) just wont cut it damage wise and neutral Fire Blast does more damage even when Dark Pulse is super effective =/




Earth power lets you not get completely walled vs Tyranitar, Tentacruel and a whole other host of threats and has unparalleled coverage along with Fire and Ice.

PhoenixFlare January 24th, 2008 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3275609)
Why would you even for a second think we are testing Deoxys-F in OU?

Bronzong over Miltank is fine. Poliwrath's SDef EVs should be in Spd.

I'm not testing it. Simply trying to find a way to beat it.

Poliwrath has no Spdef EVs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_Azelf (Post 3275643)
Why is Dark pulse and Lava Plume on heatran ?


Fire blast and Earth power NOAW !!!

A better question is why are they even considered as options, scarf Heatran is hit and run, lava Plume (Which is only really an option on bulky heatran) just wont cut it damage wise and neutral Fire Blast does more damage even when Dark Pulse is super effective =/




Earth power lets you not get completely walled vs Tyranitar, Tentacruel and a whole other host of threats and has unparalleled coverage along with Fire and Ice.

Alright but what about Flamethrower instead because Fire Blast doesn't hit most of the time on Shoddy.

Samson January 25th, 2008 1:30 AM

oops my mistake. you knew what i mean XD

and yes, bronzong would definitely work. your whole team already takes fire attacks very well, so having something like bronzong lure in fire attacks but resist ground attacks is good stuff. it's not as good of a staller as miltank but it works well with your team.

Archer January 25th, 2008 1:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 3277095)
oops my mistake. you knew what i mean XD

and yes, bronzong would definitely work. your whole team already takes fire attacks very well, so having something like bronzong lure in fire attacks but resist ground attacks is good stuff. it's not as good of a staller as miltank but it works well with your team.

Yes, Baiting out a fire attack with Zong could work really well. I assume that Arcanine has Flash Fire? Also, Levitate could help with the 3 Ground weaknesses.
I have personally found the non-cursing Miltanks to be a bit fragile for OU stalling.

Samson January 25th, 2008 1:55 AM

but cursing miltanks don't stall anyway. the only upside of the non-cursing paramilk set is that it can paralyze special sweeper switch ins and hit everything in the game with seismic toss + scrappy.

PhoenixFlare January 25th, 2008 2:07 PM

[email protected] leftovers
Levitate
Relaxed
252hp/ 160spdef/ 96def
-Gyro Ball
-Hypnosis
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock

Will this work?

shedinjask January 25th, 2008 6:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare (Post 3275868)
I'm not testing it. Simply trying to find a way to beat it.

Poliwrath has no Spdef EVs.



Alright but what about Flamethrower instead because Fire Blast doesn't hit most of the time on Shoddy.

Then why are you using Arcanine to beat it? Wrath had SDef EVs when I last looked at it, and Heatran really does want Fire Blast. 85% acc is great for a 120 BP move, just ask Hera.

PhoenixFlare January 25th, 2008 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3279119)
Then why are you using Arcanine to beat it? Wrath had SDef EVs when I last looked at it, and Heatran really does want Fire Blast. 85% acc is great for a 120 BP move, just ask Hera.

Because it's a threat. And with it's speed you would either need a first priority move or something with focus sash + Mirror Coat to beat it.

Defender HP: 301
Damage: 298- 350
Damage: 99.00% - 116.28%

That's Flamethrower to a Heracross before I put in EVs. Besides why would Hera stay in when ScarfTran will always outspeed it unless the user is a n00b.

shedinjask January 25th, 2008 8:04 PM

It's an Uber. It won't be in OU.

I didn't mean Fire Blast is good to use on Hera (though it is). I meant that Heracross commonly uses Megahorn, which is the same BP and acc as Fire Blast.

Also Scarfcross outspeeds Scarftran.

Archer January 25th, 2008 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shedinjask (Post 3279400)
It's an Uber. It won't be in OU.

I didn't mean Fire Blast is good to use on Hera (though it is). I meant that Heracross commonly uses Megahorn, which is the same BP and acc as Fire Blast.

Also Scarfcross outspeeds Scarftran.

I agree with you completely, but I reckon if there was a physical bug equivalent to flamethrower, it would commonly used.

evilcheese January 25th, 2008 9:36 PM

i spy 2 fire pokemon. you need a water special wall or something that resists water. poliwrath wont do much against special water.

Archer January 26th, 2008 2:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilcheese (Post 3279674)
i spy 2 fire pokemon. you need a water special wall or something that resists water. poliwrath wont do much against special water.

Actually Poliwrath can have Water Absorb.

But anyway, maybe Vaporeon over Gardevoir.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers **Buckethead
*Water Absorb*
Calm | 252 Hp / 204 SDef / 54 Def or SAtk
~Wish/Substitute*
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Yawn/Shadow Ball/Haze/Acid Armour*/Baton Pass*

EVs take two consecutive Draco Meteors from Specsmence.

Water Absorb takes Water hits better than nicely.

PhoenixFlare January 26th, 2008 5:43 AM

Alright I edited my first post.

Iceman3k January 26th, 2008 6:37 AM

I know dead men tell no tales, but this is my opportunity to be a total prick.
Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare (Post 3273696)
[email protected] Choice Band
Adamant
252spd/ 252atk/ 6hp
-Extremespeed
-Flare Blitz
-Crunch
-Thunder Fang

Self destructive I know but Wish passes help it stay alive.
Is Deoxys-S E or F on Metakids Calculator because if it's F then It's a OHKO with Extremespeed.
Just as long as you don't use it for Speed since it's too slow -_-'

Vaporeon @ leftovers
Water Absorb
Bold
252hp/ 216 Def / 40 SDef
-Wish
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Protect
Needs Physical Defense one way or another.

[email protected] choice scarf
Modest
252spd/ 252spatk/ 6hp
-Earth Power
-Overheat / Fire Blast
-Hidden Power Ice
-Dark Pulse

Dark Pulse> Earth Power to beat the Psychic and Ghost types who think they can Focus Blast me.
Dark Pulse is fine and dandy, but Explosion on HEATRAN? Hell no. Earth Power NOW.

Bronzong @ leftovers
Relaxed
Levitate
252hp/ 152spdef/ 104def
-Hypnosis
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock

Because it's fun to use. >.<
A Bronzong

[email protected] leftovers
Adamant
252hp/ 252atk/ 6def
-Focus Punch
-Hypnosis
-Substitute
-Waterfall
I don't see Poliwrath doing any good. Remove him for a Sp. Wall.

[email protected] leftovers
Timid
252spd/ 160spatk/ 96hp
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Substitute
Yeah sure okay.

Rate it please.

Mixed Infernape can swallow your team whole if you're not careful, so can CS Garchomp.

Seeing as you lack some type of Sp. Defense, perhaps this would be the perfect opportunity to add a Snorlax or a Blissey. Most preferably Blissey since you have absolutely no defense against Status Inflictions.

Dark Azelf January 26th, 2008 6:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3k (Post 3280414)
I know dead men tell no tales, but this is my opportunity to be a total prick.

Mixed Infernape can swallow your team whole if you're not careful, so can CS Garchomp.

Seeing as you lack some type of Sp. Defense, perhaps this would be the perfect opportunity to add a Snorlax or a Blissey. Most preferably Blissey since you have absolutely no defense against Status Inflictions.

Explosion is fine on heatran, it takes out Bliss, Snorlax and all those other sp.walling idiots.

Dark pulse shouldnt be there though, a neutral Fire blast will do more even when Dark Pulse is super effective.

The bolded part is a must though, status will wreck you.

Anti January 26th, 2008 7:10 AM

Raikou can special wall with a fair amount of success :(

Between Bronzong and Raikou (assuming you bulk it up), you'll have a decent walling body.

But considering Raikou is your sweeper, you'll want a special wall more reliable than bronzong.

Ársa January 26th, 2008 7:16 AM

Turf the effing Bronzong.

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Calm
252 HP, 212 Sp. Def, 36 Def, 8 Sp. Atk

Hidden Power Fighting
Rest
Sleep Talk
Shadow Ball

I love this. I run this, it's my status absorber. Also switches in on Gengar Hypnosis, then lols when Gengar stays in, because Shadow Ball hits for good. ;)

~T_S

Dark Azelf January 26th, 2008 7:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tortured_Soul (Post 3280480)
Turf the effing Bronzong.

[email protected]
Modest
252 HP, 212 Sp. Def, 36 Sp. Def, 8 Sp. Atk

Hidden Power Fighting
Rest
Sleep Talk
Shadow Ball

I love this. I run this, it's my status absorber. Also switches in on Gengar Hypnosis, then lols when Gengar stays in, because Shadow Ball hits for good. ;)

~T_S

Calm nature 252 HP / 100 DEF / 152 SP.DEF on that set, it needs to block spinning from starmie aswell and just a generally more defensive spread

Ársa January 26th, 2008 8:06 AM

Dunno what I was thinking in regards to Modest, but the EV Spread works fine, I've run it through calcs.

~T_S


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