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Eos Aduro January 26th, 2008 5:10 PM

Violence is not the answer, except when its Pokemon, so rate away!
 
So yeah this is my team. Im really looking for a replacement for CBmence who isnt choice, because I;ve been getting stalled, as Anti helped to point out

Tyranitar ( ) @ LEftovers
Ability:Sandstream
EVs: 252 HP/68 Spd/188 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
Substitute
Dark Pulse
Focus Punch
Ice Beam
-----
Heracross (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
---
Porygonz @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
---
Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/96 Def/160 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Roost
- Heal Bell
---
Weezing (♂) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt
---
Blastoise (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Counter
- Rest
---

And Blastoise stays. You, no talky about Blastiose not staying, because hes staying.

Kittyipawd January 26th, 2008 5:17 PM

umm what is the Main purpose of CBmence? , to hit first and kill off things ???



thier is a bunch of phsyical attackers that do a dent

CBzel is one ofmy faves because a stabbed proity move is too hard to pass up

Eos Aduro January 26th, 2008 5:18 PM

I said I wanted a non-choice Pokemon though, to many choice sweepers. And yeah mostly to get stuff over with quickly, but with the leads there are today, it hasn't been doing much.

Faceless* January 26th, 2008 5:20 PM

Team's Gengar-weak, take off the choice item off one Pokemon to fix that

flamehaze94 January 26th, 2008 5:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3282467)
So yeah this is my team. Im really looking for a replacement for CBmence who isnt choice, because I;ve been getting stalled, as Anti helped to point out

Salamence (♂) @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

wtf, those EVs, use 120HP / 252Atk / 136Spd
lol'd at AA, just use Fire Blast


Heracross (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge

I can't tell you enough how much ScarfHera is not cool
but if you want to use it, at least give him better EVs


Porygonz @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Tri Attack
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse

alright

Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/96 Def/160 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Reflect
- Roost
- Heal Bell

great..
add another one to your Heatran weakness


Weezing (♂) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Thunderbolt

Leftovers is far better

Blastoise (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Counter
- Rest

Add another one to your MixVire weakness


no real synergy


this team gets stalled very easily and that's not a good sign

Anti January 26th, 2008 5:47 PM

CBmence does just fine with Aerial Ace. As with the broing 252/252 spread. AA is like HP Flying slightly weakened. It's also the best answer to weakened sand veil pokemon. Oh, the oversized lawnmower doesn't like AA, and Fire blast misses WAY to much. I have several logs from ADV to prove that. I used to run a spread similar to that, and I got downright burnt. It made Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" come to real life :0

Black Sludge and Leftovers do the same thing, how in the world is Lefties better? Let alone far better. I fail to understand your logic...

And I'd just like to point out that Cbmence is one of the strongest physical attackers in DP folks...

But I'd agree with most everything else of what has been said. Articuno doesn't really have the support to work here. It needs something to cover its electric and fire weaknesses (Swampert works). I've learned the hard way...to use articuno, you need something that can take a fire attack, especially from a heatran.

Also, Stone Edge from CBtar is just...ouchies. All forms of TTar are trouble, I'd maybe invest in a donphan or Hippowdon over Weezing (something that can beat TTar basically).

3 choice users is something that can be really tough to pull off. I'd invest in something like Azelf. Probably over Pory Z (I've come to fnd choice variants easy to beat since all of those attacks are usually resisted by something you have on your team, especially grounds taking thunderbolt).

Oh, I'd take counter off of blstoise...it just doesn't really seem to fit in on this one.

flamehaze94 January 26th, 2008 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3282661)
CBmence does just fine with Aerial Ace. As with the broing 252/252 spread. AA is like HP Flying slightly weakened. It's also the best answer to weakened sand veil pokemon. Oh, the oversized lawnmower doesn't like AA, and Fire blast misses WAY to much. I have several logs from ADV to prove that. I used to run a spread similar to that, and I got downright burnt. It made Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" come to real life :0

"Hai, my name is Bronzong, and my next door neighbor is Skarmory, we like to wall Fire Blast-less Salamence."

Basically that.

And tell me one thing that Aerial Ace hits that the other moves in that Salamence, doesn't already hit?
252/252 is just horrible EVs, on nearly anything


Black Sludge and Leftovers do the same thing, how in the world is Lefties better? Let alone far better. I fail to understand your logic...

Some little thing involving Trick or Switcheroo.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 3282661)
CBmence does just fine with Aerial Ace. As with the broing 252/252 spread. AA is like HP Flying slightly weakened. It's also the best answer to weakened sand veil pokemon. Oh, the oversized lawnmower doesn't like AA, and Fire blast misses WAY to much. I have several logs from ADV to prove that. I used to run a spread similar to that, and I got downright burnt. It made Queen's "Another Bites the Dust" come to real life :0

"Hai, my name is Bronzong, and my next door neighbor is Skarmory, we like to wall Fire Blast-less Salamence."

Basically that.

And tell me one thing that Aerial Ace hits that the other moves in that Salamence, doesn't already hit?
252/252 is just horrible EVs, on nearly anything


Black Sludge and Leftovers do the same thing, how in the world is Lefties better? Let alone far better. I fail to understand your logic...

Some little thing involving Trick or Switcheroo.

And may I add that PorygonZ does a number on this team.

Anti January 26th, 2008 6:03 PM

Um, Black Sludge will hurt the trick user, how is that bad? Besides, trick/switcheroo is almost never seen.

EDIT: 252/252 usually are pretty poor EVs, but I've found max Spd and Atk on my CBmence pretty crucial. Flamethrower is fine on Cbmence, I use it myself...but, Fire Blast just plain sucks ._.

Eos Aduro January 27th, 2008 12:54 PM

Ok thanks guys but not really helping, and flamehaze no offense, but your advice doesnlt mkae much sense, and the weaks Heatran falls to Blastoise, never underestimate Blastoise. And MixVire gets stopped pretty badly by Heracross using Megahron or Close Combat, and Articuno I have been having problems with, but Im sick of Blissey, hmmm, maybe Regice? That just adds to the SR weak, and Donphan WAS on my team, but he seriously just didn't work out, and TTar usually falls to Scrafcross, except for your Boah Anti, since that thing is a menace to society. What I really need is a new lead thats not choice itemed and is a sweeper, any suggestions?

Anti January 27th, 2008 12:59 PM

Mixpert is my favorite lead of this generation, and works great with Articuno (resists electric and fire, sets up SR for it to shuffle)

Eos Aduro January 27th, 2008 1:04 PM

Yeah but Swampert, Blastoise, and Weezing seems like a bit much, and I need someone who can really hit HARD, maybe I should just get rid of Articuno, and have a new special wall, and CBMence can turn into a mixed sweeper.

Anti January 27th, 2008 1:09 PM

Why does every like mixed sweepers so much? They're not even close to as good as physical or specials in most cases.

Resttalk Regice can absorb status, but Heatran...

Eos Aduro January 27th, 2008 1:12 PM

I think heatran is overrated, they never give me any trouble, Blastoise eats them.

Dark Azelf January 27th, 2008 1:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Winged (Post 3285517)
Ok thanks guys but not really helping, and flamehaze no offense, but your advice doesnlt mkae much sense, and the weaks Heatran falls to Blastoise, never underestimate Blastoise. And MixVire gets stopped pretty badly by Heracross using Megahron or Close Combat, and Articuno I have been having problems with, but Im sick of Blissey, hmmm, maybe Regice? That just adds to the SR weak, and Donphan WAS on my team, but he seriously just didn't work out, and TTar usually falls to Scrafcross, except for your Boah Anti, since that thing is a menace to society. What I really need is a new lead thats not choice itemed and is a sweeper, any suggestions?

Not THAT mixvire that fails with Ice Punch / Thunderbolt / EQ and Cross Chop.

This one


[email protected] Orb
252 SP.ATT / 180 SPEED /76 ATT
Mild Nature
- Flamethrower
- Hidden power Ice
- Thunderbolt
- Cross Chop


As for Heatran. Yeah, you MIGHT be able to wall it. If its running Metal Sound / Fire Blast / Hidden power Ice / Earth power, i dont think you can just cause of metal sound =/

Aerial Ace is rather lol on Sally, honestly the only thing its good for, well is nothing, it just lets Bronzong/ Skarm/Forry and set up stealth rock and then block your spin attempts with a ghost, thus chipping away at Articuno and Sally every time they come in. This is very EASILY walled by SkarmNliss aswell if you dont use F-Blast. You cant even argue that its for Tangrowth or stuff, Fire Blast still is the better option in that case.

252/252 Spread is fine on CB mence, it doesnt have dragon dance to up its speed, same with specs mence. 120 hp / 252 att / 136 speed is ONLY GOOD on DD mence.

Heracross's evs are not fine however : - 252 ATT / 104 HP / 152 SPEED is better, it lets it switch in easier somewhat.

Id actually run Toxic on Blastoise, for spin blockers Dusknoir and spiritomb.

Eos Aduro January 27th, 2008 1:16 PM

I used to run Toxic, but Counat has realy been proving itself, since no one in OU really gets how he works, they usually use a physical attack.

Arcknight316 January 27th, 2008 5:04 PM

Chain Chomp works EXCELLENTLY:

Garchomp @ LO
Naughty / Sand Veil
18 ATK/252 SATK/240 SPD
SD
EQ
Fire Blast
Draco Meteor

Archer January 27th, 2008 6:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkknight316 (Post 3286249)
Chain Chomp works EXCELLENTLY:

Garchomp @ LO
Naughty / Sand Veil
18 ATK/252 SATK/240 SPD
SD
EQ
Fire Blast
Draco Meteor

I was about to suggest that. Mixed Sweeper leads work nicely, But Dark Azelf, I've found that Vire is best left a secret until you have a chance to absorb a Tbolt/wave and sweep. Mixape is a possibility....

Faceless* January 28th, 2008 5:09 AM

And never overestimate Blastoise, Heatran can take a Surf from Blastoise

Eos Aduro January 28th, 2008 9:25 AM

YEs, but Heatran has to either switch out because the msot a Heatran has ever done on my Blastoise is 20% with an Earth Power, well actually 80% with an Explosion, and I;ve OHKOed Heatran with Surf before. And Im actually using Boah now, and its been working nicely.

TP-BigWill January 28th, 2008 10:07 AM

Honestly Blastoise is rediculously underated.

But it's cause most people use a "spongestoise" set.

Your set works for what it does, but I think you might have fared better with a Tank Blastoise.
That little turtle has done so many things for me.

If you're good at eggmove chain breeding, here's a cute set. (omg...did he say cute?)

Blastoise @ adamant nature (252 atk/ 252 hp/ 6 def)
Item: Life Orb]
Ability: Torrent(this really does a number when life orb activates it and you have a stabbed Aqua Jet)

Fake Out(egg move)
Aqua Jet(egg move)
Earthquake
Avalanche

Obviously you flinch the little sucker first, which pretty much negates a large number of Sashers (unless their ability is inner focus *shudders* and then pop him hard with Aqua Jet, and they'll never know it. I think with Stab and Life Orb, it might have 95 base atk.....someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Eos Aduro January 28th, 2008 10:11 AM

IT looks ok, but my Blastoise works the way it is, and I dont really need a tank. Cool set though. And Im going to stick Boah up there in a second. So if you have any help for him that would be great.

Anti January 28th, 2008 11:33 AM

This team needs a ground type or something that doesn't get totally zapped. Electivire is just mean to this team. Any special attacker with Tbolt won't be much nicer.

Otherwise it isn't so bad, especially with Boah so you don't get stalled to your grave.

Eos Aduro January 28th, 2008 2:11 PM

I know I;ve been looking but nothing fits, I tryed Donphan and pfft, no dice, maybe Garchomp fills in for Heracross, even though I LOVE heracross.

Faceless* January 28th, 2008 2:37 PM

The team is still a bit Gengar weak, try to fit a Light Screen in a Pokemon somewhere, it will give a neat advantage

Eos Aduro January 28th, 2008 2:39 PM

Gnegar I haven;t been having a problem with, Heracross outspeeds him.


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