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New Team OU
Gengar@Choice Specs/Scarf/Wide Lense
Timid ~ 252 Special Attack/Speed; 4 HP Hypnosis Focus Blast Thunderbolt Shadow Ball ~ My lead and special sweeper. Also a nice Hypnosis will keep those who I want to sleep asleep. I may use Wide Lense with Hypnosis, just to almost guarantee a hit, and so that I won’t be stuck on one move. I need a suggestion for another move in its place besides Hidden Power Ice. I don’t feel like IV breeding big time for anything. Weavile@Expert Belt Jolly ~ 252 Attack/Speed; 4 HP Pursuit Ice Punch Brick Break/Aerial Ace Night Slash ~ Even though I have Pursuit, I still want a good STAB move aside from it. I don’t know whether to choose Brick Break to deal with steels and other darks, or Aerial Ace to cover the double Fighting weakness. Obviously it’s my Physical Sweeper and may switch as lead with Gengar. Infernape@Life Orb Naïve ~ 252 Special Attack; 232 Speed; 24 Attack Nasty Plot Flamethrower Grass Knot Close Combat ~ Your standard MixApe. I’ve never used a Mixed Sweeper before and I think it would be nice. It’s also good for handling Suicune and Milotic, along with Swapert and Donphan. Skarmory@Shed Shell Impish ~ 252 HP; 156 Defense; 96 Attack; 4 Speed Spikes Whirlwind Drill Peck Roost ~ I need a Spiker, and a pokemon with a flying attack with STAB to take care of fighting types if I don’t feel safe with Weavile’s Aerial Ace. Also works as my Physical Wall. Cresselia@Leftovers Bold ~ 252 HP; 144 Special Defense; 112 Defense Rest Sleep Talk Ice Beam Thunder Wave/Psychic ~ My Special Wall, RestTalks, so I think it should do fine. I’m kind of wondering if this would work better than the Calm Mind version, but I’ll need some input on it. Starmie@Leftovers Timid ~ 216 Speed; 172 HP; 120 Special Attack ~ Natural Cure Rapid Spin Recover Surf Thunderbolt ~ Spinner. That’s about it. --------- Comment and help. Especially with Cresselia. ~desu Saba~ |
I do believe Skarmory will do fine with Brave Bird over Drill peck, if your really adamant on doing any damage with it.
Night Slash & Pursuit is redundant. You have Ice Punch for that STAB, & I feel it's enough to take out most things that would want to stay in against Weavile. I don't really like that rest-talking Cressila idea, especially since it doesn't need to attack with Sleep Talk. Once Gya gets at least 2 DD's in, you're in trouble. |
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And sims, Pursuit and Night Slash aren't redundant on Weavile. Night Slash is for a powerful STAB move and pursuit is to OHKO Zam, Gengar, etc. with a 100% success rate. Also, once Gyara gets 2 DDs in, ANY team w/o D-E is in trouble. |
All while cutting off wat he can possibly hit with two dark moves. Aerial Ace is superior in that aspect, being able to actuall scare Hera. Or any other fighter. Hell, even Nape eats up Wealive without Aerial Ace. That's embarassing.
I don't know what teams YOU fought, but I've stopped my share of Gya. 2 really isn't all too scary, as he doesn't have a reliable way to stop it once Gengar gets stopped. At least without Charge Beam on Cressy. This is just what I mean. |
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All the while, anything Scarfed can easily wipe out that Weavile, especially since it lacks versatility.
2 DD's isn't enough to wipe out something as sturdy as Cressy. But it is made easier However, it is easier for me to KO a when it doesn't have a single move to attack back. Thus for, Charge Beam can remedy this. It isnt hard to stop a Gyarados with 2 DD's, as it has been done many, many times. I don't appreciate getting disregarded as some noob, which has been happening alot on this damn site. |
The Itachi bit made me lol
Pursuit / Night Slash / Brick Break / Ice Shard on Choice Band Weavile or it fails to scarf chomp =). Aerail Ace is suckage, it doesnt EVEN OHKO Infernape =/ and what do you hit with it, Breloom ? Heracross ? and Infernape, Ape isnt Ohkod, Breolom gets wasted by Ice Shard, so that leaves just heracross, which in all reality you shouldnt be trying to kill or even stay in against. But anyways i suggest swords dance weavile for this team, i think its already been posted. DD Taunt Tyranitar REALLY puts the hurt onto you, it outruns Key members of your team, Starmie and Gengar after a DD aswell as Infernape, lols at Skarm and Cressy with Taunt and DD's some more, Weavile cant switch in.Its then free to Crunch and Earthquake everything, skarm is your only defense, after 3 Dragon Dances, Crunch not being very effective doesnt matter, it wastes skarm after a few dances and along with Taunt the only thing you can do it Drill peck it,or switch, thus giving it free DD's. This calls for a Bulky ground type. |
Despite the fact that you are now more easily walled? Especially by the likes of Forretress. Since you have absolutely no way to damage it.
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AA is only really an option when you are exceedingly Heracross weak and when it gets STAB. Like Gliscor for example. As i said, it wont even OHKO Infernape. If it cant kill something that weak, it doesnt deserve a moveslot, the only thing it beats is heracross, wow one pokemon in OU. This is where your physical wall comes into play, send that after Hera. The other thing it beats is like breloom, again Ice Shard wrecks it, so your going with a weak move for 1/1.5 OU pokemon. Pursuit wrecks stuff, guaranteeing a OHKO on gengar, Azelf and Alakazam weather they switch, or not, Wrecks cresselia, uxie, Mesprit, Starmie hell even deoxys E if its choiced into an move and the list continues, even Blissey gets 2hko'd by it. Pursuit is better, things that dont like taking a Night Slash will switch, thus giving you a free kill as it hits things on the switch HARDER than a choice band Night slash. |
Which is why I said I don't care for NIGHT SLASH. No idiot will stay in on a Weavile weak, so Pursiut will damn sure have it's usage. I don't see a reason for Night Slash. Although I did underestimate it to a degree, I'll admit, it won't see play as much as Pursuit.
As for Forry, that was a typo. I was looking at him, then e was stuck in my mind for a while. |
Ok, settle down guys. AA can be used on weavile, but I would prefer bb because if you lead with him, you can switch gengar into CCs and not get harmed.
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I'm not disregarding you as a n00b, that's pretty unfair to assume I am sims. I don't think you're a n00b, and I'm sure as hell not disregarding you. I'm simply disagreeing with you, and I am allowed to do that. It's really unfair to me to assume that, especially since you know you're one of our most respected members.
Weavile has counters, like any pokemon. Forretress eats up Aerial Ace like candy. Brick Break won't even hurt it. Without Pursuit, Weavile can't revenge kill (at least not nearly as well as its competition, mostly ScarfChomp and Dugtrio). Weavile isn't going to stay in on something that can outspeed it, and Ice Shard can take care of that problem also (it wastes Aerodactyl.) Aerial Ace adds no extra coverage...it won't OHKO Nape it seems, and Breloom can't take ice shard or ice punch. Weavile won't even bother with Scarfcross since it's faster, and CBcross is rare (and will take a beating from ice punch if it's at low health). also, I'd like to point out that with 2 DDs and the possibility of a flinch from waterfall or that the Gyara has a wacan berry, Cressi will have a really tough time beating Gyarados...and if it does, it'll be at low enough health to be wasted by a revenge killer. As for the team, Cresselia just won't do it as a special wall without more SDef (or light screen). Especially with stuff that threatens Dark Pulse and Shadow Ball, you're in trouble. Actually, a resttalk Snorlax would fit in here pretty well, just watch out for Porygon-Z. Also, watch out for Weavile, which can waste half of your team. Honestly, something that better walls weavile over Skarmory would probably be better IMO, like Forretress...which would free up a slot since Starmie wouldn't really be needed. Team isn't too bad, but there are quite a few attackers out there that have their way with this team. EDIT: Night Slash is your best against something that probably won't switch out, but you can waste anyways. Also, stuff like U-Turn Celebi will try to beat you, and a Night slash in their face will hurt. Since Ice Shard is usually used over Ice Punch, you also need a STAB move with a higher base power than 40. As for Aerial Ace, it's pretty useless unless a CBcross (which will switch out anyways) is something you fear. |
Also, as a side note, you could go hp [ice] over shadow ball to mock bolt-beam. Either coverage or stab, it's your choice.
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This thread is turning into a fight. *sigh*
Anyway, I actually have a finished Forry that I could use in this team. It's standard like most pokemon I try to use (aside from my pwnsome Noctowl. xD) Quote:
~desu Saba~ |
Sorry, I keep thinking that this is a shoddy team.
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Losing STAB Shadow Ball in favour of HP ice? REALLY not worth it.
Any DDtar who isn't jolly won't outspeed Starmie after a DD, so you can still Surf him and kill after he has taken some damage. If you're leading with Gengar then make it hold a Choice Scarf, you don't wanna die when they lead with Weavile, one of the most common leads. Infernape is gonna be hard to switch in, especially when it takes recoil damage from Life Orb. I think you should switch it for something like Garchomp, because your team lacks a good Earthquake. Also, Weavile must have Ice Shard if you wanna revenge kill stuff like DD Dragonite / Salamence. Having a priority move never hurts. |
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