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Charaxes February 1st, 2008 5:30 PM

"Glory Blaze" Episode Discussion
 
Here is where you can discuss the last stand of Paul's Chimchar in "Glory Blaze."

My review to come forthwith.

Forci Stikane February 1st, 2008 5:34 PM

Well, we get some Paul character "development" to start...I guess. I'm not sure if I would call it that, though, since it's just making him look like a jerk again...

They actually step in to help Chimchar, finally. Honestly, it should have been rescued a while before that (I remember something back in original Kanto about how a trainer could be stripped of their liscense or whatever if they were found to be mistreating their Pokemon. Chalk another one up to failed continuity...). At least we get Chimchar's backstory. Foreshadowing, anyone?

Of course, they speed right through Brock's & Dawn's battles...but Ash & Paul's...oh boy.

James: "Not very kind-hearted..."
Meowth: "What heart!?"

XD

The battle itself was pretty good. It's becoming more and more obvious that the other trainers have better battling skills now. On top of all that, Chimchar's finally switched sides. YAY.

Charaxes February 1st, 2008 5:43 PM

Right now, I'm just amazed with the fourth movie's score in the flashback scene, I think.

If nothing else, gives a good look on Paul's "techniques."

Thebiggamer February 1st, 2008 5:59 PM

I'm wondering why Turtig couldn't heal, can't it learn leech seed or synthesis? Not to be to analytical especially since I don't let it learn those moves but it could have healed during the battle with mategross and zangoose

Forci Stikane February 1st, 2008 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thebiggamer (Post 3298193)
I'm wondering why Turtig couldn't heal, can't it learn leech seed or synthesis? Not to be to analytical especially since I don't let it learn those moves but it could have healed during the battle with mategross and zangoose

That, too (yes, it does have Synthesis). I guess Ash didn't want to risk it.

Thebiggamer February 1st, 2008 6:07 PM

Ash is usually reckless in the battles but not usually by that much when his pokemon is collapsing without another hit

Charaxes February 1st, 2008 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 3298113)
They actually step in to help Chimchar, finally. Honestly, it should have been rescued a while before that (I remember something back in original Kanto about how a trainer could be stripped of their liscense or whatever if they were found to be mistreating their Pokemon. Chalk another one up to failed continuity...). At least we get Chimchar's backstory. Foreshadowing, anyone?

Of course, they speed right through Brock's & Dawn's battles...but Ash & Paul's...oh boy.

Indeed, while they alluded to Chimchar's personality before, it wasn't so overt as opposed to here. Compare its disposition to Ash in the training scene to normally -- big difference.

Yeah, the pacing got a tad funky, there. One could argue about if the episode had more time, then we'd be fun. Honestly, I think the flashback scene dragged on slightly, thus robbing Brock and Dawn of their tour time.

Forci Stikane February 1st, 2008 6:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Charaxes (Post 3298219)
Yeah, the pacing got a tad funky, there. One could argue about if the episode had more time, then we'd be fun. Honestly, I think the flashback scene dragged on slightly, thus robbing Brock and Dawn of their tour time.

Well, I think we're making up for that right now. ;)

Thebiggamer February 1st, 2008 6:11 PM

Well I'm guessing chimchars not going to evolve this season on a different note

Daisuke33 February 1st, 2008 7:11 PM

Very awesome episode! That Training session Paul put Chimchar through was WAY beyond harsh, thank goodness Pikachu stepped in to defeclt those attacks to save Chimchar, did Volt Tackle act as a shield? Wow I've seen it all. The writers know how to please us my having the oppenent in the last round a Zangoose lol, poor Chimchar. Chimchar finally gets an edge from its ability "Blaze" but paul...looks away?! Then Ash commanded Chimchar!! Woo, my eyes were peered to the tv, that Flamethrower rocked. Paul just dumps Chimchar like that, jerk, but I'm glad Ash got chimchar, now he finally has his Fire type ^^. lol @ Pauls's face when Ash asked Chimchar to join his team.

.Eevee-Chan February 1st, 2008 9:50 PM

Paul is way to strict on Chimchar,though he said Chimchar wanted it to gain more strength,chimchar even agreed.
First was hyperbeam,then focus blast,skyattack,thunder,how could he expect Chimchar to deflect all those attacks with only flamewheel?!

Ash is the rightful owner,but no offense to everybody,but it doesn't feel right to me,Chimchar really liked Paul and in the flashback he wasn't harsh on it.Anyway Ash commanded Chimchar,how could Paul just look away as poor Chimchar would be destroyed.(good timing for Ash!)

overall this episode and the rest were awsome!

Kid Sonic February 2nd, 2008 5:28 AM

What is Shinji's deal anyway!? Doesn't he know how powerful moves like Hammer Arm, Leaf Storm, Sky Attack, and Thunder are to a simple move like Chimchar's Flamethrower.

And I still don't understand why Pikachu Thundershock didn't work against Rhydon's horn, while it worked well back in the Cinnibar Gym Battle.

BTW, Conway looks a bit like Max. But what is he hiding?

STEELIXMANIAC February 2nd, 2008 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid Sonic
BTW, Conway looks a bit like Max. But what is he hiding?

Maybe he works for Team Galactic, or some secret organization.

Daisuke33 February 2nd, 2008 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid Sonic (Post 3299242)
What is Shinji's deal anyway!? Doesn't he know how powerful moves like Hammer Arm, Leaf Storm, Sky Attack, and Thunder are to a simple move like Chimchar's Flamethrower.

And I still don't understand why Pikachu Thundershock didn't work against Rhydon's horn, while it worked well back in the Cinnibar Gym Battle.

BTW, Conway looks a bit like Max. But what is he hiding?

Pikachu's Thunderbolt did'nt work on Rhydon because its ability: "Lightning Rod". The reason it worked on Blaine's Rhydon is because back in Season 1 there was probarly no abilities like those, which is why it was never introduced til the Hoenn Saga. Or this Rhydon was just Sinnoh trained lol.

Miss Reyna February 2nd, 2008 8:59 PM

Back in Season 1, things like Pikachu's Thunderbolt hitting anything was used more loosely. I think the reason why Pikachu's Thunderbolt hurted Rhydon in Cinnabar Island because he was able to shot the attack into Rhydon's month and it hurted there.

Well now we see more into the history of Paul and Chimchar. It has to be really scary to be gang up on all of Paul's pokemon with Paul just standing there. I have to feel really sad for Chimchar.

Kinda not coolies how we didn't see Dawn's and Brock's battle. It was coolies to see Brock heal Chimchar and tell Paul that he didn't have to be told to know what happen to Chimchar.

On a side note, I really hate Paul now. He basically did nothing during that battle and then in the next episode he dare to say that Ash did nothing? That was so wrong.

Charaxes February 2nd, 2008 9:08 PM

I don't know, Reyna, I think it's refreshing to have a jerk, dig through all that, and find that... he's still a jerk. Heh. Also, it's nice to know that if your Pokemon is in Paul's way, he mow you down without a second thought. I hope Ash will recall this apparent lack of mercy if he ever battles with Paul again. We can hope, anyway.

Again, all refreshing, but really hard to empathize, yep. Heh. Oh, if only Gary could have been like this.

Miss Reyna February 2nd, 2008 9:34 PM

Teeheehee Well then they did a good job in protraying Paul as a jerk. Teeheehee Still it is nice to see a different character.

Also I am certain we see them battle sooner or later again.

Well Gray had his own spices as Ash's rival since he was the better of the two in skill and he knew it too. Teeheehee He just loved to rub it in. Also Gary is cuter. Teeheehee

Charaxes February 2nd, 2008 9:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Reyna (Post 3301683)
Well Gray had his own spices as Ash's rival since he was the better of the two in skill and he knew it too. Teeheehee He just loved to rub it in. Also Gary is cuter. Teeheehee

Well, Gary was arrogant, but he had a cute sense of arrogance. He rubbed you the wrong way, but not enough to, say, wanting to punch him for it. As a counter, Paul has the edge, or maybe, too much of it. One could argue he's Gary in the worst form, but, at least, they're not neglecting Paul like they did with Gary.

Again, I really hope he stays a jerk. No Vegeta-like reform, please.

Jorah February 3rd, 2008 1:41 PM

OMG...I actually had tears in my eyes. I didn't cry, I'm not *that* emotional, but tears were *starting* to come up in my eyes. When Ash commanded Chimchar I felt really sad and sorry for Chimchar because Paul just completly ignored him, but Ash cared!...and then noticed how close my face was to the screen o.O Cool, cool, coool, cool episode!

- I like how even Team Rocket think Paul's mean :( As they have shown many times before, they're not bad, really
- I like it when Pikachu defended Chimchar with Volt Tackle
- Not much to say, BGM wise. PUSA's is less annoying than 4Kids

Holly: That Brock sure gets around, doesn't he?
- I like how she's jealous of Nurse Joy at the start XD

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Originally Posted by Daisuke33 (Post 3301262)
Pikachu's Thunderbolt did'nt work on Rhydon because its ability: "Lightning Rod". The reason it worked on Blaine's Rhydon is because back in Season 1 there was probarly no abilities like those, which is why it was never introduced til the Hoenn Saga. Or this Rhydon was just Sinnoh trained lol.

Or. The writers were being stupid and cheap :) Back in season 1, I mean.


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Originally Posted by Charaxes (Post 3301710)
Well, Gary was arrogant, but he had a cute sense of arrogance.

I used to completly hate Gary...but only because I really liked Ash. It was the same reason why I hated Misty because she used to be mean to him XD But looking back, Gary was hilarious. I want him to get his cheerleaders back. It would've been hilarious in that DP episode if he had them. He and the twerps would all be hiding away behind the bush and then Gary's cheerleaders run over, jumping, yelling "Gary, Gary, he's our man!" XD Dawn's reaction to the cheerleaders would be hilarious XD And so would J's XD It sounds better in my head...

Hmmm I didn't really feel hate towards Paul. It would've been better if they didn't say Chimchar wanted to train that way. I'm confused at to why they said he wanted to. And why Chimchar wanted to...

Kid Sonic February 3rd, 2008 4:08 PM

The series need more dark Akatsuki personality-like characters, instead of picking on Team Rocket all the time. They're not worth it.

Sushi. February 4th, 2008 11:47 AM

This part Two Episode of the Tag battle is awesome too, Man poor Chimchar for this episode and of course that Chimchars weak was faceing Zangoose in a battle. It was pretty amazing that Ash and Paul won that battle against the others which they had Metagross and Zangoose.

XSeerian February 4th, 2008 12:00 PM

This was a great Episode! I was very impressed! After a while, I really lost interest in the Pokemon show, until PUSA took over for 4 Kids, I've been rehooked on the show!

It's just a great show, overall. The voice acting is awesome, they are diving into more adult themes and not mention Paul is the first like, 'REAL' rival for Ash. Since Gary was more of a friendly Rival, as opposite to Paul who literally hates Ash with everything he is.

I can't wait for the team to get to Veilstone City, as I bet it'll be the first real look into Paul's past and the true meaning behind his outlook on Pokemon and life.

Oh...and has anyone else noticed how Gangster Brock is now? Haha! The way he commanded Sudowoodo and Croagunk during this three part series was awesome! I felt powered up myself! I wanted to jump into the screen and start battling. Haha! ^_^

~Drenz

Twinx February 4th, 2008 11:40 PM

Wow, this is by far my favorite DP episode so far...

- We finally see how insensitive Paul is. I mean we saw him being mean to his pokemon, but the way he treated the poor guy was awful.
But, I really hope Ash doesn't soften him, he's the only good thing about the anime.

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- Holly sure has fallen for Brock. I wonder who will be the most depressed when they leave, Brock or Holly?

- The battle was smokin' hot. Gimme more XD

- lol at Paul's face when Ash asks Chimchar to join.
Well, at least he didn't do it behind Paul's back.

Rikku February 6th, 2008 9:15 AM

Diamond and Pearl seems to have a lot of parallels to the first series(Kenny reminded me of Gary in so many ways). Anyone else reminded of the way Ash got his Charmander? I wonder if Chimchar will also have an attitude problem and disobey him when it evolves.

Things are finally starting to get interesting, Paul is even crueler than I thought. Even Team Rocket wouldn't treat Pokemon like that.

I hope they have more tag battles like these in the future, it was fun to watch the characters battle each other while working together and interacting with a bunch of strangers at the same time.

Miss Reyna February 6th, 2008 8:09 PM

Su yeah. I notice that too. It is kinda like a mix of Johto and the first season. Story wise it is kinda like Johto with the many fillars but pokemon wise it is like Kanto. I heard that turtwig is kinda like bulbasaur and this is the first time somebody mention the comparison between Charmander and Chimchar. It is also in the same order too. I would say more like Ash's water type but who knows if I am allow to. Teeheehee


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