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Chompah :x February 3rd, 2008 11:40 PM

Shoddy Team.
 
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Azelf @ Choice Scarf
Mild [ +Special Attack ]
252 Special Attack / 216 Speed / 36 Attack
Ability ; Levitate

- Explosion
- Fire Blast
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [ICE]

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Leads the pack, Outspeeds most things.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8954/202xu3.png

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Bold [ +Defense ]
252 Special Defense / 252 Defense / 4 HP
Ability ; Shadow Tag

- Encore
- Mirror Coat
- Counter
- Safeguard

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Idea is to Counter physical sweepers and Mirror Coat special sweepers and Encore Electric moves to Dugtrio
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Dugtrio @ Life Orb
Jolly [ + Speed ]
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 4 Special Defense
Ability ; Arena Trap

- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace

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Kills things.
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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Impish [ + Defense ]
240 HP / 56 Attack / 76 Defense / 136 Speed
Ability ; Serene Grace

- Wish
- Zen Headbutt
- U-Turn
- Reflect

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Wish then U-Turn then heal.
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Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Lonely [ + Attack ]
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Ability ; Sand Veil

- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Outrage

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Outrage is there for late game sweeping.
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Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive [ + Speed ]
24 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 232 Speed
Ability ; Blaze

- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot

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Late game sweeper. Man this thing is great.

Anti February 4th, 2008 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chompah :x (Post 3304858)
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Azelf @ Choice Scarf
Mild [ +Special Attack ]
252 Special Attack / 216 Speed / 36 Attack
Ability ; Levitate

- Explosion
- Flamethrower
- Psychic
- U-Turn / Grass Knot

I'm not a fan of Scarfing Azelf in all honesty.


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Leads the pack, Outspeeds most things.
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8954/202xu3.png

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Bold [ +Defense ]
252 Special Defense / 252 Defense / 4 HP
Ability ; Shadow Tag

- Encore
- Mirror Coat
- Counter
- Safeguard

Wobby is just a dead weight really.

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Idea is to Counter physical sweepers and Mirror Coat special sweepers and Encore Electric moves to Dugtrio
http://rapidshare.com/files/89024489/051.png.html

Dugtrio @ Life Orb
Jolly [ + Speed ]
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 4 Special Defense
Ability ; Arena Trap

- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace

Doesn't need Wobby to work.

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Kills things.
http://rapidshare.com/files/89024804/385.png.html

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Impish [ + Defense ]
240 HP / 56 Attack / 76 Defense / 136 Speed
Ability ; Serene Grace

- Wish
- Zen Headbutt
- U-Turn
- Reflect

Special Jirachi is better, but w/e.

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Wish then U-Turn then heal.
http://rapidshare.com/files/89025060/445.png.html

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Lonely [ + Attack ]
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Ability ; Sand Veil

- Fire Fang
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Outrage

I'm not feeling two scarfers.

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Outrage is there for late game sweeping.
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Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive [ + Speed ]
24 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 232 Speed
Ability ; Blaze

- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot

Alright.

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Late game sweeper. Man this thing is great.

I don't really get it in all honesty. Everything on your team is really fragile except Jirachi and Wobbuffet, and those two as your walls will not cut it, especially when Choice Band (or worse-DD) TTar comes in. You sweepers are terribly fragile and all of them die to Weavile, besides maybe Infernape.

I don't really see the point of scarfing Azelf when it runs Nasty Plot so much better and you already have a Scarfer...speed is unneeded.

gigi44 February 4th, 2008 3:35 PM

The Azelf is really good-looking so far. Since it has all special moves, but one, it needs to be eved in special attack. Azelf is really fast naturally, but getting almost all of its speed evs full will make sure it moves first, and since it has explosion, during a turn that it is in bad shape, it can go first to explode. I also agree with the 16 evs in attack to give the explosion more power.
Wobbuffet is good. He is a good staller with a bunch of hp and defenses. Excellent choice. With that encore, you can be sure to trap the opponent in getting murdered by counter or mirror coat. The bad news is that you are in trouble if your opponent chooses a power booster like dragon dance. With that, they can kill Wobbuffet, unless you switch out really fast to someone else.
Dugtrio is good. It isn't really the most reliable pokemon and won't last through heavy hits, but the way you have yours-eved in attack and speed, it can get the opponent out of the way quicker than they can move and fast. It is good with the grass pokemon and good with the flyers. I don't know about sucker punch, because it is too risky. If your opponent is not using a hitting move, and does a stat boosting move or other move, that would be worthless. Especially if Dugtrio isn't a taker of heavy hits. It is hard to afford heavier hits. The good thing is that if that happens and Dugtrio dies, you have fast or high defense pokemon to take that pokemon on.
Jirachi is a good annoyer. I really don't have nothing to say. It would sure annoy me if a pokemon like Jirachi comes in and chooses reflect, so my moves will he weaker. Then does wish and U-Turn and heals up the team that I am trying to kill, especially if it is a hard battle.
I really do not like lonely as a nature. It lowers it defense, and Garchomp does not have a lot as it is. I would prefer going to the Adamant nature, especially since Garchomp does not need special attack. You are eving it correctly, keep at that. There is nothing worse than a max attack Garchomp with almost 300 or more speed. The moves are good, but I am not really feeling dragon claw or outrage. Replace one of those with a brick break for the ice, steel, rock, dark and normal types that are annoying like Miltank and Snorlax. It could kill T-Tar in one hit. Or you can teach it stone edge or rock slide for those flying, fire, and ice types. I also wouldn't recommend a choice scarf on Garchomp. Give it a expert belt, which increases super effective moves, since in battles, a lot of the time is killing pokemon that are weak to the type or moves you have. Do this if Garchomp is not the first you send out and it covers a lot of types.
Infernape is good, but fragile. I would recommend using Infernape when you know that its opponent won't kill it in one hit. This is if you are using nasty plot first. Also grass rope isn't very reliable. Usually pokemon used in competitions are heavy, but there are few that are light such as Manaphy or another light water type.
Overall, your team has a lot of pokemon who won't last through those heavy hits, bu they are good killers and they do it fast. Usually, it isn't who you have, it is how you use your pokemon, and you use them pretty good. Just watch out for those killers like T-tar-who can be killed in one hit with a fighting move.

Anti February 4th, 2008 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gigi44 (Post 3305937)
The Azelf is really good-looking so far. Since it has all special moves, but one, it needs to be eved in special attack. Azelf is really fast naturally, but getting almost all of its speed evs full will make sure it moves first, and since it has explosion, during a turn that it is in bad shape, it can go first to explode. I also agree with the 16 evs in attack to give the explosion more power.

Azelf is usually EVed to outspeed Gengar, but with choice Scarf it hardly needs speed.

Wobbuffet is good. He is a good staller with a bunch of hp and defenses. Excellent choice. With that encore, you can be sure to trap the opponent in getting murdered by counter or mirror coat. The bad news is that you are in trouble if your opponent chooses a power booster like dragon dance.

Which is why Wobby is a dead weight. Wobby can't even last the turn it uses Encore in some situations, like SpecsMence Draco Meteor. Also, anything like Calm Mind Raikou can just kill you and uses you as a set-up fodder.

With that, they can kill Wobbuffet, unless you switch out really fast to someone else.
Dugtrio is good. It isn't really the most reliable pokemon and won't last through heavy hits,

which is why it's a sweeper...

but the way you have yours-eved in attack and speed, it can get the opponent out of the way quicker than they can move and fast. It is good with the grass pokemon and good with the flyers. I don't know about sucker punch, because it is too risky. If your opponent is not using a hitting move, and does a stat boosting move or other move, that would be worthless.

But then Dugtrio won't be getting hurt. They have to eventually take out Dugtrio.

Especially if Dugtrio isn't a taker of heavy hits.

If?

It is hard to afford heavier hits. The good thing is that if that happens and Dugtrio dies, you have fast or high defense pokemon to take that pokemon on.
Jirachi is a good annoyer.

Sincw when ir Jirachi an annoyer? It's just a standard wishpasser with U-Turn so Dugtrio doesn't totally eat you alive.

I really don't have nothing to say. It would sure annoy me if a pokemon like Jirachi comes in and chooses reflect, so my moves will he weaker. Then does wish and U-Turn and heals up the team that I am trying to kill, especially if it is a hard battle.

We know how to use Jirachi ._.

I really do not like lonely as a nature. It lowers it defense, and Garchomp does not have a lot as it is. I would prefer going to the Adamant nature, especially since Garchomp does not need special attack.

I agree.

You are eving it correctly, keep at that. There is nothing worse than a max attack Garchomp with almost 300 or more speed. The moves are good, but I am not really feeling dragon claw or outrage.

lol, Scarfchomp is pretty lol without Outrage.

Replace one of those with a brick break for the ice, steel, rock, dark and normal types that are annoying like Miltank and Snorlax.

STAB Outrage does more than Supereffective Brick Break. Steels are killed by Earthquake.

It could kill T-Tar in one hit.

Like it's going to stay in on Garchomp.

Or you can teach it stone edge or rock slide for those flying, fire, and ice types. I also wouldn't recommend a choice scarf on Garchomp.

Scarf Chomp mows stuff down.

Give it a expert belt, which increases super effective moves, since in battles, a lot of the time is killing pokemon that are weak to the type or moves you have.

What use does Expert belt have on something whose STAB move is only supereffective on one tpye?

Do this if Garchomp is not the first you send out and it covers a lot of types.
Infernape is good, but fragile. I would recommend using Infernape when you know that its opponent won't kill it in one hit. This is if you are using nasty plot first. Also grass rope isn't very reliable. Usually pokemon used in competitions are heavy, but there are few that are light such as Manaphy or another light water type.

Manaphy is uber.

Grass Knot is to beat down Bulky Waters and Grounds like Suicune, Swampert, Hippowdon, Donphan, Claydol, and Milotic that will try to beat you. The ONLY Bulky Water it doesn't hit hard is Vaporeon, who isn't used as much anymore.


Overall, your team has a lot of pokemon who won't last through those heavy hits, bu they are good killers and they do it fast. Usually, it isn't who you have, it is how you use your pokemon,

No, no. If you don't have a Rock resist, the best player ever wouldn't be able to stop a rampaging ScarfChomp with stone edge from destroying his/her team.

and you use them pretty good. Just watch out for those killers like T-tar-who can be killed in one hit with a fighting move.

Dugtrio traps and kills Tyranitar in one hit ._.

Refering to the team in general here, why are you using Fire Blast on Garchomp when you have a Mixed Infernape that plain laughs at Skarmory?

El Gofre February 5th, 2008 10:06 AM

I thought Wobby was uber? Is that a mistake on this forum's part? And if not, why exactly is wobby so good?

luke February 5th, 2008 11:04 AM

Currently Wobbuffett is being tested on Shoddy to see if it's possible to use it in OU.

Syaoran February 5th, 2008 12:43 PM

Nothing here can safely switch in Blissey, or a random sleeping move. If you're using that broken pokemon (Wobba), at least give Garchomp Swords Dance so he can have a free stat up after encore.

Psychic pokemon suck as leads, because they lure pursuiters. If you're stuck on Psychic, it's game over for Azelf.

*PrincessPika-chu* February 6th, 2008 2:28 PM

You have a lot of fragile pokemon on your team. Infernape, Azelf, Dugtrio, and Garchomp are all good, but they can be blown away too easily if your opponent has a high attack or special attack stat of 300+ and uses a move that has 80+ power on them. This also isn't good when your opponent has a stealth rock, poison spikes, or another kind of set up battle method. These pokemon need all the HP they could keep due to their defenses.

Azelf is good, I have no problem with him. It will outspeed about everything and do massive damage to about anything when it comes to special. Scarfing him is okay, but try to find another item that better fits your Azelf.

Wobbuffet is good, but it takes prediction. You do not know what kind of move your opponent will choose, then with the physical/special split, your opponent can choose thunderpunch and mirror coat won't hit. Then if you choose wrongly, it may cause your Wobby some wasted HP. Besides that, its moveset is good. Keep that.

Dugtrio is a good sweeper and stuff, but it does not need Wobby. Wobby will help if the opponent choose a non-attacking move when he does encore, then switch out Dugtrio or whoever. Keep Duggy the way he is.

Jirachi is good. It would be even more devastating as a special attacker with wish and U-Turn, althought U-Turn is physical. That's how he can do good damage when you don't want to switch him out, and with wish, U-Turn would be a weak hit, but it's a hit.

Garchomp is good. I don't really like the two dragon moves. Give it the berry that stops confusion(can't think of its name). It is a low def pokemon and that's how it won't risk hurting itself after the first outrage. Then it could probably last doing more massive damage. Good eving it. Nothing is worse than a very fast pokemon with very high attack.

Infernape is a good special sweeper, just be careful with it. Grass rope should do good damage, since most evolved pokemon are heavy.

flamehaze94 February 7th, 2008 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chompah :x (Post 3304858)
Azelf @ Choice Scarf
Mild [ +Special Attack ]
252 Special Attack / 216 Speed / 36 Attack
Ability ; Levitate

- Explosion
- Fire Blast
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [ICE]

whaddup Tyranitar and Weavile!

Wobbuffet @ Leftovers
Bold [ +Defense ]
252 Special Defense / 252 Defense / 4 HP
Ability ; Shadow Tag

- Encore
- Mirror Coat
- Counter
- Safeguard

Charm>Safeguard in a honesty.

Dugtrio @ Life Orb
Jolly [ + Speed ]
252 Speed / 252 Attack / 4 Special Defense
Ability ; Arena Trap

- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace

CB this thang or don't use it
252Atk / 216Spd / 44SpDef are better EVs


Jirachi @ Leftovers
Impish [ + Defense ]
240 HP / 56 Attack / 76 Defense / 136 Speed
Ability ; Serene Grace

- Wish
- Zen Headbutt
- U-Turn
- Reflect

w/e

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Lonely [ + Attack ]
252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Ability ; Sand Veil

- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Outrage

wtf? Lonely is lol
Adamant pl0x
Scarf is the worst


Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive [ + Speed ]
24 Attack / 252 Special Attack / 232 Speed
Ability ; Blaze

- Grass Knot
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower
- Nasty Plot

Overheat>Flamethrower to 0HKO Cress after a Scheme.

this team is walled by Cress
Ape can 0HKO with Plotted Overheat, but that's about it


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